What I realized about all the 0-2000 in 2-3 months threads

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These threads are great, very inspirational

However, if you read them closely you slowly begin to realize that
the methods involved, the number of sites involved, especially the Costs involved, add up to Thousands of Dollars

One said he spends $400-500 to develop each of his sites and he has many

One guy said he has 50+ sites each cost $50 to develop (those were in the 2-3 months) so thats $2500 out of pocket

What I got out of these is that, despite how admirable the ops are for attaining that level in Adsense, this is not a newbie cheap trail to follow

I dont have $2000-$3000 right now to invest in backlinking and site content

Heck Its way cheaper to go to the CPA board, and learn that and test campaigns and scale them up. I might just end up doing that first and do Adsense on the side.

$500 is more than sufficient to get started in CPA and at least you dont have to worry about Google getting ticked and deindexing you or closing your Adsense account. CPA guys dont care about google for the most part, unless they are using PPC Adwords for traffic and most dont

Anyways just wanted to add that I slowly realized how expensive it is to get to these Adsense Empire levels
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  • Profile picture of the author Goxbee App
    You can fund the start up with what you make on CPA offers if you are really smart. Never invest thousands if you do not know exactly what range your profit is going to be. That by the way will never happen.... But using what you make while still working at your regular job is the smart way.
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    This is the cruel truth, to make money you have to spend money.
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    • Profile picture of the author ramdom123
      Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

      This is the cruel truth, to make money you have to spend money.
      Thats what most people dont realize and they go on and try to do everything by themselves and fail because doing everything is hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mack Attack 77
    I agree with Goxbee on this one. Build a couple sites on the cheap/free using some proven strategies, and use the profit realized from those sites to invest in bigger opportunities and scale everything up.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Mack Attack 77 View Post

      I agree with Goxbee on this one. Build a couple sites on the cheap/free using some proven strategies, and use the profit realized from those sites to invest in bigger opportunities and scale everything up.
      The cheap free? you are only saving 10 dollars per site that way, plus why put a money site on a free host? could be deleted by them at any time, you dont control your own site
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Conversely for the beach resort our family owns here, I put the site up with standard html one year ago, I rank Number 3 on most of the terms I am interested in ranking on


    this is summer here in the phils so for march april and most of may its swamped
    I sometimes get one email an hour for reservations this week
    one hour today I got 4 emails requesting rooms, or picnic tables

    too bad that level of business doesnt maintain year round
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      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Conversely for the beach resort our family owns here, I put the site up with standard html one year ago, I rank Number 3 on most of the terms I am interested in ranking on


      this is summer here in the phils so for march april and most of may its swamped
      I sometimes get one email an hour for reservations this week
      one hour today I got 4 emails requesting rooms, or picnic tables

      too bad that level of business doesnt maintain year round

      Yo - is that the main reason why you live in the PI? Your own beach resort? I'm definitely going to have to visit you. lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Yo - is that the main reason why you live in the PI? Your own beach resort? I'm definitely going to have to visit you. lol.
        Its only 15 rooms, but it is 6.5 acres of land, so lots of room to expand

        its great except when a typhoon blows off all the thatched roofs. It was my wifes fathers resort, he passed away. Only problem I have is getting clientele during the rainy season. You pretty much cannot get any from June1, to November 1, then it starts to pick up again so 5 to 6 months is pretty dead. wish it was busy year round. When its busy, it makes good money
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          Its only 15 rooms, but it is 6.5 acres of land, so lots of room to expand

          its great except when a typhoon blows off all the thatched roofs. It was my wifes fathers resort, he passed away. Only problem I have is getting clientele during the rainy season. You pretty much cannot get any from June1, to November 1, then it starts to pick up again so 5 to 6 months is pretty dead. wish it was busy year round. When its busy, it makes good money
          Manila right? So is it you running it?
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        • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
          Originally Posted by outwest View Post

          Its only 15 rooms, but it is 6.5 acres of land, so lots of room to expand

          its great except when a typhoon blows off all the thatched roofs. It was my wifes fathers resort, he passed away. Only problem I have is getting clientele during the rainy season. You pretty much cannot get any from June1, to November 1, then it starts to pick up again so 5 to 6 months is pretty dead. wish it was busy year round. When its busy, it makes good money
          Have you not thought about renting to groups who offer retreats. Or even to team building companies who offer team building events / weekends to businesses. Quite a big business I presume.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve0
    The other problem I've found is that I can quite easily produce 10 sites and rank them, but its often not until you reach 50 sites that you find a few golden nuggets that make money. As such.. it becomes 'all in or nothing'.

    I'm quite wary of all these 'i made 2000 in 3 months' threads.. they get loads of attention due to the nature of the forum, but I reckon they're just list building, or building up to a WSO.


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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by steve0 View Post

      The other problem I've found is that I can quite easily produce 10 sites and rank them, but its often not until you reach 50 sites that you find a few golden nuggets that make money. As such.. it becomes 'all in or nothing'.

      I'm quite wary of all these 'i made 2000 in 3 months' threads.. they get loads of attention due to the nature of the forum, but I reckon they're just list building, or building up to a WSO.


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      I dont disbelieve they got to that level. I can smell a rat a mile away and you can tell they know what they are talking about, and their methodology is solid.

      All I am saying is they tend to somewhat sweep the costs involved to the side

      the guy who said on the most recent thread that keeps popping to the top of the forum, that he did the 0-2000 in three months, he also said he spends 50 per site and makes one per day. so at two months he is out 3000 dollars already, I doubt his adsense has made that, But they seem to ignore that part of it and focus on the I AM MAKING 2000/MONTH WITH ADSENSE AFTER 3 MONTHS , yes but at that point you are just starting to break even........................nothing wrong with that but make sure to keep that in mind, the numbers involved and the costs
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    • Profile picture of the author gcoo029
      I agree with steve0

      Some websites you build that you think will be winners flop while others that you are not sure will work become stars. I have just thinned out some of my websites that don't perform as well as others so I can invest more money in building the "Golden Nuget" websites I have built / had built.

      IMHO Its a numbers game initially if you want t get into microniche websites. Despite what some of the WSO's say your are not going to make $100's a month off one microniche website.....50 maybe.....100 more likely

      Nice thread ...like discussions where people can openly debate methods promoted (and sold) on WF


      Originally Posted by steve0 View Post

      The other problem I've found is that I can quite easily produce 10 sites and rank them, but its often not until you reach 50 sites that you find a few golden nuggets that make money. As such.. it becomes 'all in or nothing'.

      I'm quite wary of all these 'i made 2000 in 3 months' threads.. they get loads of attention due to the nature of the forum, but I reckon they're just list building, or building up to a WSO.

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  • Profile picture of the author bitriot
    Originally Posted by outwest View Post

    These threads are great, very inspirational

    However, if you read them closely you slowly begin to realize that
    the methods involved, the number of sites involved, especially the Costs involved, add up to Thousands of Dollars

    One said he spends $400-500 to develop each of his sites and he has many

    One guy said he has 50+ sites each cost $50 to develop (those were in the 2-3 months) so thats $2500 out of pocket

    What I got out of these is that, despite how admirable the ops are for attaining that level in Adsense, this is not a newbie cheap trail to follow

    I dont have $2000-$3000 right now to invest in backlinking and site content

    Heck Its way cheaper to go to the CPA board, and learn that and test campaigns and scale them up. I might just end up doing that first and do Adsense on the side.

    $500 is more than sufficient to get started in CPA and at least you dont have to worry about Google getting ticked and deindexing you or closing your Adsense account. CPA guys dont care about google for the most part, unless they are using PPC Adwords for traffic and most dont

    Anyways just wanted to add that I slowly realized how expensive it is to get to these Adsense Empire levels
    $500 will get you started building adsense sites too...
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    You may have to spend a little money but I've found you can spend less money and devote more time into it and do better.

    For the cost of a domain name, autoresponder, and hosting account, I started building lists and made my first money in a few days and grew it from there. It has been 5 months now and I am making what most people would probably consider a living.

    If you are going after getting your traffic on search engines, then picking a profitable niche and keyword are an essential first step.

    If you have other ways of getting traffic (which many including myself have posted on this forum many times) then it is important to get a profitable niche.

    It is that beginning step where I see a lot of newbies fail. The same amount of work in an easier niche can make money faster and with the same or less amount of work.

    Those few posts that describe how those people did it is by no means an indication of how everyone is doing it.

    There is a ton of free information on this forum on how to make money with little upfront costs. Pick one or create your own and get started.

    It may take work but it all does.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ant B
    With all respect if you are going to do this properly you need to look at it as starting up a business not trying to make some money. Starting a business and running it will inevitably cost you money.

    You are not going to get very far with little to invest upfront. You will have to grind it out, one site at a time, writing everything yourself manually and back linking yourself manually. Your money investment will be low but so will your return on investment.

    These guys claiming thousands of dollars a month have not found a magic trick to make money flow into their bank accounts, they have invested in their businesses, grown them and are seeing a return on that investment. It's not a secret that it has cost them money to make the figures they claim, it is naive to think otherwise, that's the way things work.

    As others have said you really need money to make money when it comes to the big numbers. It can be done if you put your time into it instead. Avoid falling into the trap of browsing these and other forums looking for the secret, wasting your valuable time and actually put the time to use making your sites and back linking your way to your first income. Put that back into the business and grow from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    Good post. It's good for IM newbies to realize that very point. It's threads like that that get so many people discouraged from IM right off the bat. They'll start halfway, get no results and then look back at that thread and be like, "What the crap? I did everything you said and I'm not in debt rather than making $5,000/mo."
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  • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
    $500 is more than sufficient to get started in CPA and at least you dont have to worry about Google getting ticked and deindexing you or closing your Adsense account. CPA guys dont care about google for the most part, unless they are using PPC Adwords for traffic and most dont
    You still need traffic ? Eyeballs on offers man. Does it fall out of the sky?

    As marketers we can either engage brain or open wallet. Ive spent a fortune in time chasing down adsense riches ... as well as themes, outsourcers, links , software, content ... its been crazy investment when all told.

    However; the notion of clicks = $ is just too attractive.

    If you've every sold affiliate products and / or your own - conversions is a mofo too.

    Look if 1 guy can make $300-500 a "DAY" with Adsense - so can you. I can assure you there are regular joes doing it who struggled too. Its hard man. All things worth doing are ... at first.

    Lose the scarcity mindset get to work and pick some good niches and get some damn content and rank it. Eyeballs on offers ...

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  • Profile picture of the author gtk29
    yes, it requires money to make money. nothing is new here.
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    • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
      If you can't afford to invest in this business your in the wrong business pal, even at Warriorforum of all places.

      What's a $2500 investment when you have it made back in 1-3 months? I guess that's the difference between you and them.

      They're taking the risk and earning the reward, you're not.
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    • Profile picture of the author keithneal
      We all know it cost money to make money, but something you don't seem to be taking into account is the fact that these people offset their lack of time with money. If you have more time then you have money then you can invest that instead and save your money. The people you're talking about outsource the content creation step, as well as the site setup step and mostly only do the keyword research (they also outsource the seo). So of course things are always done faster with money, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to do it without large funding.

      At most you'd need hosting and the money to purchase the domains you'll be using. Depending on if you catch a sale you could end up only pay 3 bucks or so for each domain (.com/.net/.org).
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I am not saying its too much money , or that it doesnt take money to make money. I am saying MOST of these threads kind of brush the money invested part to the side and they focus on I MAKE 2000 A MONTH WITH ADSENSE AFTER 3 MONTHS (forgot to say it cost me thousands to get there)

    Most newbies are not aware of the costs involved. That is why I posted this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    First I'm not knocking this thread, it's a good subject to talk about IMO.

    Now then, I know you can get larger returns (faster) from investing money upfront. I also know for a fact that you can start with literally zero dollars & build up your IM income.

    IMO, it's 100% smarter to start with nothing, no money, nothing!

    Hear me out...

    When you start with no upfront money, you have nothing to lose, you can take risk that you would be hesitant to take when your spending money. Who cares If you fail on your first few sites, didn't cost you anything more than your time.

    Take advantage of free tools, including free hosting for your first few sites, test the hell out of what you think will work. If the site looks like crap, so what, didn't cost you a penny!

    You can take every single Warrior forum thread, comment, WSO, whatever & none of it matters more than targeted traffic, the most basic necessity of IM is targeted traffic, everything else is just little details here & there.

    In the words of Metallica - Nothing Else Matters!
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      First I'm not knocking this thread, it's a good subject to talk about IMO.

      Now then, I know you can get larger returns (faster) from investing money upfront. I also know for a fact that you can start with literally zero dollars & build up your IM income.

      IMO, it's 100% smarter to start with nothing, no money, nothing!

      Hear me out...

      When you start with no upfront money, you have nothing to lose, you can take risk that you would be hesitant to take when your spending money. Who cares If you fail on your first few sites, didn't cost you anything more than your time.

      Take advantage of free tools, including free hosting for your first few sites, test the hell out of what you think will work. If the site looks like crap, so what, didn't cost you a penny!

      You can take every single Warrior forum thread, comment, WSO, whatever & none of it matters more than targeted traffic, the most basic necessity of IM is targeted traffic, everything else is just little details here & there.

      In the words of Metallica - Nothing Else Matters!
      I have always considered Yukon to be the board Guru on Adsense, Thanks for this post, makes a lot of sense
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Reed
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Now then, I know you can get larger returns (faster) from investing money upfront. I also know for a fact that you can start with literally zero dollars & build up your IM income.

      IMO, it's 100% smarter to start with nothing, no money, nothing!

      Hear me out...

      When you start with no upfront money, you have nothing to lose, you can take risk that you would be hesitant to take when your spending money. Who cares If you fail on your first few sites, didn't cost you anything more than your time.

      Take advantage of free tools, including free hosting for your first few sites, test the hell out of what you think will work. If the site looks like crap, so what, didn't cost you a penny!
      This is so true, and may I add, that when you start with no money, you are really looking on the details inside out and learn to pay attention to everything, and this is a good way to gain a kind of experience you wouldn't easily acquire if you paid your way out of the hard beginning
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  • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
    I know what thread he is referring to.

    The thing is, now that is he bringing in $2,000 he can reinvest it into more sites. Lets say he takes 50% and reinvests it. That is $1000, which will make him 20 sites. And with his current income average per site, that will give him at least another $600 increase in his income.

    Hell, just do that, take $1000 from the profits, reinvest, and do that for a year. You will then have an income of about $7200. Actually, that is an increase in $7200 from his current income. That is no too shabby really.

    So in essence, after he starts to bring money in, he doesn't have to use his "OWN" money again, he uses "Google's money".

    And for starters, he even mentioned that he didn't start with his own money. He got some money from the bank, and then used that to reinvest. I personally wouldn't have done that unless I was already making money and just wanted to expand quicker.

    But yes, like Yukon said, you can start from almost nothing. It just takes a hosting account, and a domain name and you are in business.

    There were plenty of guides out there that showed systems on using free websites to make an income. I know that the Bum marketing Method was one of them. And Potpiegirl has a guide that mentioned using free sites to test out markets.

    There are quite a few people who have made some good money from squidoo. Hell, even I get some money from squidoo every month.

    Yes, he used money to speed up his process. But all he was doing was telling people that it could be done. He would have still done it even if he hadn't invested so much money into it at first, it would have just taken him longer.

    I am testing out several methods that start off using just money for domains and hosting to create a sizable income with. Each method takes about 90 days. Each of them uses a different way, so it should be interesting what I find out. I will be testing 4 different methods over the next year actually.

    The ONLY way people can make money online is to take ACTION and lots of it. You can only learn so much before you need to take action with that knowledge.

    Knowledge that isn't used is knowledge that is wasted. People who have the knowledge to take action but do not, do not deserve the knowledge they possess.

    So get to work, ALL OF YOU!!

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  • Profile picture of the author looking4adsense
    Which board would amazon affiliates fall under? CPA?

    Originally Posted by outwest View Post

    These threads are great, very inspirational

    However, if you read them closely you slowly begin to realize that
    the methods involved, the number of sites involved, especially the Costs involved, add up to Thousands of Dollars

    One said he spends $400-500 to develop each of his sites and he has many

    One guy said he has 50+ sites each cost $50 to develop (those were in the 2-3 months) so thats $2500 out of pocket

    What I got out of these is that, despite how admirable the ops are for attaining that level in Adsense, this is not a newbie cheap trail to follow

    I dont have $2000-$3000 right now to invest in backlinking and site content

    Heck Its way cheaper to go to the CPA board, and learn that and test campaigns and scale them up. I might just end up doing that first and do Adsense on the side.

    $500 is more than sufficient to get started in CPA and at least you dont have to worry about Google getting ticked and deindexing you or closing your Adsense account. CPA guys dont care about google for the most part, unless they are using PPC Adwords for traffic and most dont

    Anyways just wanted to add that I slowly realized how expensive it is to get to these Adsense Empire levels
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    First of all don't believe anyone on here. Second, see if they have agenda..hint, signature. 3rd don't believe anyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      First of all don't believe anyone on here. Second, see if they have agenda..hint, signature. 3rd don't believe anyone.

      I wouldn't say a blanket statement like that. There have been many helpful people on this forum who have offered a lot of truthful help.
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      • Profile picture of the author boxoun
        Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

        I wouldn't say a blanket statement like that. There have been many helpful people on this forum who have offered a lot of truthful help.
        I was sort of joking. Very easy to post screen shot. Everything in peoples thread I can also post and claim anything.

        Also when it involves a newb, luck might be a bigger factor at play then anything.

        Some people have a reputation. They can say whatever they want but if you're new, post a screen shot or some type of proof then maybe I'll take a look at signature.

        It's the certain, this is how I did it..with no proof, then exact match Sig lol.

        You really made that much in first 3 months? Then post screen shot. Then replicate it before you act like a guru. Then again, nobody is a guru they just act like it.
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        • Profile picture of the author jimmyn
          Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

          First of all don't believe anyone on here. Second, see if they have agenda..hint, signature. 3rd don't believe anyone.
          People rarely give something for nothing on these types of forums. At the least they're after some kind of thanks, or reputation so then they have more chance of selling their stuff in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      First of all don't believe anyone on here. Second, see if they have agenda..hint, signature. 3rd don't believe anyone.
      Then why are you here? Why join the warrior forum if this is what you think?

      Yes, I have seen a lot of people talk gibberish when it comes to IM, and then you see they have a WSO for sale, or some other sort of product.

      If I remember correctly, there are rules in places for people who are doing nothing but self promoting in the forum.

      That is what the WSO section is for.

      But that doesn't mean that EVERYONE offering advise on this forum is trying to mislead you or want to sell you anything at all.

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  • Profile picture of the author nichesitebasics
    Time=Money so you need to invest one of them into your business to get it off the ground.

    You could write articles yourself and manually promote your sites and it would only cost you the price of domains + hosting. This of course means you will be spending all your time writing content when you could be doing something else.

    I find you should focus on what you are good at and outsource the rest if you have the money for it. If you don't have the money then just focus on one site at a time and build them up.
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    I agree, manual work is SEO friendly and it doesn't cost you instead of your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I do believe what the people who post the success threads, their numbers are correct

    They all seem to follow a similar pattern of earnings and timeline.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Well, most people started out on the cheap, doing EVERYTHING themselves. However, once you have a few successes and learn what works you have the opportunity to either carry on like that, grinding it out yourself, or start investing the money back in. I kind of assume that part when I read a success thread like that, but I suppose it could be misleading to newbies. But you have to quickly get into that business mindset anyway, or probably IM is not for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    50 sites at roughly $50 per site...so a budget of $2500...sounds just like my plan

    Well that's pretty much the hard truth to it in my opinion. If you want to make a lot of money fast, you're going to need some capital. If you want to make money without spending much, it's gonna take you a lot of man hours - and I mean a LOT! All the money spent goes into tools that save you time, and outsourced workers that save you time.

    To build 50 sites, i'll need about 600+ "Work hours" - and that's using all the best tools I know of! There's no way I can work that many hours in one month on my own...so the solution = outsource.
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  • Outwest, i'm a noob too, only started seriously considering IM a few months ago. I have approx 5 sites, all of which are less than a couple of months old.
    If i were to reach number 1 on G for their respective keywords the results would be this -

    Site 1 - 250,00 visitors per month, cpc approx 1 dollar
    Site 2 - 18,000 visitors per month, cpc between 50 cent & 1 dollar
    Site 3 - 6000 visitors per month, cpc approx 1 dollar
    Site 4 - 800 visitors per month, cpc approx 50 cent
    Site 5 - as above

    Sites 1,2 & 3 are going to be very difficult to rank for short term as the competition is high, however i'm planning on having these 3 as authority sites so thats ok, plus they're ll things i am interested in so i don't mind working on them. They are also completely unrelated so if i get bored of working on one site i simply move to another, a change is as good as a break .

    Sites 4 and 5 however are low competition. They are also action based ie buyxxxxxx.com, purchasexxxxx.com, xxxxxxforsale.com etc.
    Also the the product in the domain name is fairly expensive, ranging from just under 100 dollars up to 500 dollars so when someone buys something through my amazon link i get a decent commission. One of the sites is currently on page 2 in G and the other is on page 1 position 7 and slowly moving up every week or so, this is all with virtually no back linking, no paid software and no "i'll help you get to the top of G in a week" products, just on page SEO keyword finding and tweaking. Based on my analytics data i've started to receive traffic which is my EMD and also my main keyword so hopefully i'll start making some amazon sales soon . Once site 4 and 5 have found a decent position in G i think i'll start making some more small niche sites to get me through while i work on the larger sites. I hope i'm making sense to you, as i said i'm a noob too and i'm not completely sure what i'm talking about yet .
    I think the major difference to doing it that way ^^ and spending some dollars is that it takes a lot longer. Unfortunately i'm unemployed at the moment so one thing i have is time, i'll just keep on going and see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author InTheMaking
    If you don't have the capital why not go a cheaper route and purchase the tools you need to get it done, rather than thinking you have to outsource?

    Ie, Paying $70 for AMR rather than $20 every time you want sometime to run a service for you.

    Ie, Paying $5-10/500 word article when you can write it yourself in 30 mins?

    If you want to be successful there's always a way around every obstacle.
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    • Profile picture of the author LRDavids
      Originally Posted by InTheMaking View Post

      If you don't have the capital why not go a cheaper route and purchase the tools you need to get it done, rather than thinking you have to outsource?

      Ie, Paying $70 for AMR rather than $20 every time you want sometime to run a service for you.

      Ie, Paying $5-10/500 word article when you can write it yourself in 30 mins?

      If you want to be successful there's always a way around every obstacle.
      Is AMR not $97 bro? or can i get it cheaper?
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by outwest View Post

    These threads are great, very inspirational

    However, if you read them closely you slowly begin to realize that
    the methods involved, the number of sites involved, especially the Costs involved, add up to Thousands of Dollars

    One said he spends $400-500 to develop each of his sites and he has many

    One guy said he has 50+ sites each cost $50 to develop (those were in the 2-3 months) so thats $2500 out of pocket
    Personally I dont' like CPA so I removed that part from the quote, but you are 100% right. It's very easy to make a monthly income with micro niche sites but it does require quite a bit of investing yes.

    I have a few standard things to add that are very relevant to IM:

    - Time is money
    - Money makes money
    - Learn from the mistakes from others
    - No guts, no glory
    - Doing is the best practise

    If you have the money, spent the money, don't waste your time on slow/free methods, you only live once.
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  • Profile picture of the author PriceMaster
    Exactly my thinking. If you weigh in the return you get after starting up just one site. You can easily multiply that effort by 2-3 fold just using the income that single site of yours is generating. And this in my opinion is the key to getting started on building your Internet Empire.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    I did buy Market Samurai, IMO the best investment I have made so far. was 97bucks,
    without that IMO I am lost on kw research
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  • Profile picture of the author Kreative4
    I reduce my cost by developing the contents myself. And also do my KW research(I dont beleive anyone except me for this...LOL) I outsource the boring backlinking works to VAs...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hoffman
    All I have to say is all the people had to start somewhere, most likely at the bottom and work their way up!
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    You can try making a few bucks on Fiverr to fund your startup, they've already done half of the equation for you, send hungry buyers to your offer
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    While Outwest is a bit grumpy, he brings up some good points, I think:

    1. Scaling it's not cheap - Anyone creating a bunch of these niche sites with a manual process is spending a good amount of money to get there. We were in (I think) about 10K before we started to see a return. While I did start off creating the sites myself, I quickly shifted it to some of our agents as it would have been a huge waste of my time. We did this BEFORE we'd proved the model...putting ourselves at much risk.

    2. If you continue production at a high level, you're taking a big risk - It might take us 2-4 months to realize something wasn't right with our sites, our process, etc. Even right now...if something were to get screwed up...it might be hard to catch it until we'd blown quite a bit on the niche sites we were creating. While the rewards are fairly high at scale...the risks are larger as well.

    3. It ain't easy and it's lots of work - I see some people talking about earnings that we think are a bit aggressive for their estimates and Outwest has called them out on it. While there are DEFINITELY those who can create $90/month sites like clockwork...I think it would be QUITE difficult to do on a $50/site budget. I can't say for sure...but I know that it doesn't happen for us.

    4. Outsourcing is a skillset - We're lucky in that our MAIN job has been running our outsourcing company from the Philippines! Many that are running strong, legitimate businesses online still don't know the first thing about working with offshore agents...not to mention all of the new people who just want to "outsourcing everything" because of a book they read or video they watched. It doesn't exactly work that way...quite a learning curve here.

    Outwest - You seen a bit skeptical and/or frustrated with this part of IM. You're in Manila, right? You have an open invitation to come down to Davao, hang out with us, review our process, and see what you think about what we're doing.

    Is our process sustainable? Will we ultimately take a huge hit/fall? I really don't know. We hope we can continue, but it wouldn't be our first failure...we have some experience there! hehe Doing our best to figure it out, keep our doors open, and make some money in the process.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      You have an open invitation to come down to Davao, hang out with us, review our process, and see what you think about what we're doing.

      Is our process sustainable? Will we ultimately take a huge hit/fall? I really don't know. We hope we can continue, but it wouldn't be our first failure...we have some experience there! hehe Doing our best to figure it out, keep our doors open, and make some money in the process.
      Hey hey hey can I come visit! Outwest, you should definitely take them up on this offer.

      Back on topic: you can't really go from 0 to $2000 in passive income in 2-3 months (except is really rare/lucky cases). The only way to make $2000 in month three is to sell a couple (or more, depending on your strategy) money makers for 10x+ profits and reinvest. But that's not passive income.


      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      It's all about how much your time is worth.
      Or how much you can afford to spend on this stuff before it start paying off. I get a feeling that most people can't wait around for six months to a year while investing all they earn into Adsense websites.

      Another good thing about building slowly is the fact that you're going to learn a lot in the process. That might actually be much better for beginners who can't afford to lose money.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Hey hey hey can I come visit! Outwest, you should definitely take them up on this offer.

        Back on topic: you can't really go from 0 to $2000 in passive income in 2-3 months (except is really rare/lucky cases). The only way to make $2000 in month three is to sell a couple (or more, depending on your strategy) money makers for 10x+ profits and reinvest. But that's not passive income.
        Well for example
        the ones who went from 0 to 2000 lets say they spend 3000 dollars and made 60 sites. Now this to me is a bit of a stretch site$/month to get to that level with that number of sites, but lets leave it at that number of sites
        If that were the case, I assume its possible but if they did have that level and maintained it for a few months they could sell those sites for 20k, so not bad return on investment

        Now
        If they did 10/month per site, and 40-50 each to develop like Adsense flippers. well I dont know how their sites make so much I believe they make way more than 10x monthly income when they sell, more like 20

        If they do that and 50 sites costs 2500, then after 2-3 months are making 500/mo (10/mo each, their figures) they could sell that for 5000 if 10x income but I think they make like 15-20x income so thats
        7500-10,000 so thats not bad off of 2500 investment. If they maintain 100 sites/month production that would be some pretty decent income
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Justin thanks for the offer may take you up on it if I can ever drag my wife and 3 kids away from the resort in batangas

    My CPA mentor lives now in Mindanao
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Justin thanks for the offer may take you up on it if I can ever drag my wife and 3 kids away from the resort in batangas

      My CPA mentor lives now in Mindanao
      Wow...Batangas, eh? Hehe...we've been through there. We were there last year to catch the ferry to Puerto Galera. CRAZY experience...port guy told us "No Ferry" and then proceeded to fleece us and get us on the little crazy boat for the trip. There's a taste of it here, but you can't hear it very well, lol:


      Not kidding about the offer...we have people in and out here all the time. Here's a post we wrote recently about the expat community in Davao:

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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    LOL i trust the banca boats way more than those ferrys, You could not pay me to get on one, Thanks for the video
    just watch the guys who grab your bags
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    Like I've said, its a business...gotta look at it like a job and businesses have overhead. Its just the nature of things.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    No there are no resorts in Manila
    Its in Batangas, Just the family runs it yes

    The area is close to Taal Volcano and Tagaytay, so the beach is black sand
    gotta love it
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      No there are no resorts in Manila
      Its in Batangas, Just the family runs it yes

      The area is close to Taal Volcano and Tagaytay, so the beach is black sand
      gotta love it
      Man I suck, I need to know my families homeland. I'll contact you before I leave.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stilts
    Ok. I have to disagreed. I made $10,000+ with Adsense in 11 months then flipped my network for $11,500. I only bought a seo link building service once I had money from adsense. The only thing I paid for was hosting... I did outsource content later but for $2 an article. You just have to know where to look.... like fiverr. Fiverr is great.

    Anyways. I was successful because I ranked quickly. Why? My keyword research. Which is a secret... ish... I am going to post it in my own thread documenting my journey.

    But I will say one thing to agree with you. Because I didn't spend a ton of money to make it happen, it cost me time. I put it A LOT of work. Building one Adsense niche site doesn't take to much work... but building 50 TOOK EFFORT. I might be crazy but I saved cash.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Stilts View Post

      Ok. I have to disagreed. I made $10,000+ with Adsense in 11 months then flipped my network for $11,500. I only bought a seo link building service once I had money from adsense. The only thing I paid for was hosting... I did outsource content later but for $2 an article. You just have to know where to look.... like fiverr. Fiverr is great.

      Anyways. I was successful because I ranked quickly. Why? My keyword research. Which is a secret... ish... I am going to post it in my own thread documenting my journey.

      But I will say one thing to agree with you. Because I didn't spend a ton of money to make it happen, it cost me time. I put it A LOT of work. Building one Adsense niche site doesn't take to much work... but building 50 TOOK EFFORT. I might be crazy but I saved cash.
      Nobody should take what you say seriously, you always start threads spamming your ebook or whatever you sell in your sig LAZY MANS 10K to Adsense or whatever

      Sorry I dont buy what you are saying
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  • Profile picture of the author Stilts
    I do sell that correct. But what I said is true and if you read what I said I wrote in all caps " A LOT OF WORK" and " TOOK EFFORT"... I'm not pitching an over night solution here. I just have the drive to build site after site and do all the work from the ground up. It paid off. Believe me or not, I don't care. But if you wan't to make money with Adsense and NOT PAY then you are going to have to live in front of your computer screen day and night.
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Stilts View Post

      I do sell that correct. But what I said is true and if you read what I said I wrote in all caps " A LOT OF WORK" and " TOOK EFFORT"... I'm not pitching an over night solution here. I just have the drive to build site after site and do all the work from the ground up. It paid off. Believe me or not, I don't care. But if you wan't to make money with Adsense and NOT PAY then you are going to have to live in front of your computer screen day and night.
      then why do you call it the LAZY mans Adsense or whatever
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        then why do you call it the LAZY mans Adsense or whatever
        Haha, I don't think there really is a lazy way around any growing business. If you outsource you can rapidly accelerate your growth. If you do it yourself you'll take a lot longer. It's all about how much your time is worth.
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        • Profile picture of the author gcoo029
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          Haha, I don't think there really is a lazy way around any growing business. If you outsource you can rapidly accelerate your growth. If you do it yourself you'll take a lot longer. It's all about how much your time is worth.
          Exactly......building adsense websites is a team sport. Find which part of the equation you are good at and like doing i.e. keyword research, article writing, seo and do that and outsource the rest.

          Once you have a process and a team in place you just rinse and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarvyDery
    You need to spend money to gain money. You also need to realize it is important to tackle your websites as a business. But the truth is, you can also earn earn more than $3000 from one website.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyber Rankings
    The thing to remember with most business's is if you break even in the first year your doing well. Online we have a massive advantage (I believe) than offline business's.

    Where else can you get your money back in 3 months and start turning a profit.

    It's a lot easyier to make money online when you treat it like a business and invest the amount of money and time that's required.

    It's like the saying "money makes money" and it's totally true. It took me almost a year to get above the £100 a day mark. Now instead of just creating one niche site I will create 25 or 50 or 100.

    The things that are missed out of these threads is "How i made $3,000 to invest into my 50 adsense sites to make $2,000 a month" Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author outwest
      Originally Posted by Cyber Rankings View Post

      The thing to remember with most business's is if you break even in the first year your doing well. Online we have a massive advantage (I believe) than offline business's.

      Where else can you get your money back in 3 months and start turning a profit.

      It's a lot easyier to make money online when you treat it like a business and invest the amount of money and time that's required.

      It's like the saying "money makes money" and it's totally true. It took me almost a year to get above the £100 a day mark. Now instead of just creating one niche site I will create 25 or 50 or 100.

      The things that are missed out of these threads is "How i made $3,000 to invest into my 50 adsense sites to make $2,000 a month" Lol
      Thanks for the comments and feedback, yes you are correct in what you say, nice to get stories from those who have succeeded

      do you ever sell any of your sites
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      but I think they make like 15-20x income so thats
      7500-10,000 so thats not bad off of 2500 investment. If they maintain 100 sites/month production that would be some pretty decent income
      Yea but getting 20x for a site is not easy. building 100 sites/month is doable. Selling 100 sites is hard as **** lol. That's why I'm so amazed by their system - excellent marketing.

      Originally Posted by Cyber Rankings View Post

      The things that are missed out of these threads is "How i made $3,000 to invest into my 50 adsense sites to make $2,000 a month" Lol
      Sort of, but not really. Many people have full time jobs, savings, etc. Another way is to provide a service (writing, SEO, site setup) and reinvest. Some build 2-3 sites and get a lucky break, sell for huge profits and reinvest (not likely, but happens).
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      • Profile picture of the author Cyber Rankings
        Originally Posted by outwest View Post

        Thanks for the comments and feedback, yes you are correct in what you say, nice to get stories from those who have succeeded

        do you ever sell any of your sites
        Nope, I only build sites for recurring income. I can understand why people sell their sites but to me they are my bread and butter money.

        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Sort of, but not really. Many people have full time jobs, savings, etc. Another way is to provide a service (writing, SEO, site setup) and reinvest. Some build 2-3 sites and get a lucky break, sell for huge profits and reinvest (not likely, but happens).
        I understand what you are saying however this was aimed towards those that are trying to start out for free as they have no investment money. When they see stories like that they get all excited thinking they can copy what the OP did. However most of the time it's not a option or anywhere near as easy compared to already having the money to invest.

        I have never had a 9-5 so for me I was one of those people once
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaSEO
    It's true most of the time you need to invest to earn more from adsense.But the problem is your keyword research methods.Once you find the right keyword,You'll easily hit your target.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopBackBuilder
    You do know that Carl openly posts that he spends around $50 per site right?
    He doesn't hide anything from anybody.

    I use his same EXACT method and only spend $14 per site. $9 for domain and $5 for the fiverr gig.

    That's $700 for 50 sites, over a few months time. You don't need to start off with that much, but even then, it isn't impossibly hard to come up with that much money over 3 months time.

    I don't pay for content because I don't have the money to pay for content. Instead of moaning and complaining on the forums I sit down and write. You don't need to be an expert on the niche, you just need to voice your opinion on the niche.

    Also, I don't know why your having trouble finding niches. I find new niches like nobody's business. It's all a matter of doing, and not complaining.

    So let's look at my expenses:

    I make 15 sites per month at $14 each. (I don't need to make any more than this, I'm not trying to get rich quick here)

    Plus $67 for UAW

    Plus $10 a month for hosting.
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    = $287 per month

    That's not so bad is it?

    In two years I'll have 360 sites making at MINIMUM an average of $10 per site per month.

    That will put me at base minimum of 3,600 a month in only two years. I'll be getting paid that entire time leading up to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author snakeyes37
      Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

      You do know that Carl openly posts that he spends around $50 per site right?
      He doesn't hide anything from anybody.

      I use his same EXACT method and only spend $14 per site. $9 for domain and $5 for the fiverr gig.

      That's $700 for 50 sites, over a few months time. You don't need to start off with that much, but even then, it isn't impossibly hard to come up with that much money over 3 months time.

      I don't pay for content because I don't have the money to pay for content. Instead of moaning and complaining on the forums I sit down and write. You don't need to be an expert on the niche, you just need to voice your opinion on the niche.

      Also, I don't know why your having trouble finding niches. I find new niches like nobody's business. It's all a matter of doing, and not complaining.

      So let's look at my expenses:

      I make 15 sites per month at $14 each. (I don't need to make any more than this, I'm not trying to get rich quick here)

      Plus $67 for UAW

      Plus $10 a month for hosting.
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      = $287 per month

      That's not so bad is it?

      In two years I'll have 360 sites making at MINIMUM an average of $10 per site per month.

      That will put me at base minimum of 3,600 a month in only two years. I'll be getting paid that entire time leading up to it.

      You could write content yourself and save money. But not everyone is gifted in the area of writing, I'm definitely not.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by TopBackBuilder View Post

      You do know that Carl openly posts that he spends around $50 per site right?
      He doesn't hide anything from anybody.

      I use his same EXACT method and only spend $14 per site. $9 for domain and $5 for the fiverr gig.

      That's $700 for 50 sites, over a few months time. You don't need to start off with that much, but even then, it isn't impossibly hard to come up with that much money over 3 months time.

      I don't pay for content because I don't have the money to pay for content. Instead of moaning and complaining on the forums I sit down and write. You don't need to be an expert on the niche, you just need to voice your opinion on the niche.

      Also, I don't know why your having trouble finding niches. I find new niches like nobody's business. It's all a matter of doing, and not complaining.

      So let's look at my expenses:

      I make 15 sites per month at $14 each. (I don't need to make any more than this, I'm not trying to get rich quick here)

      Plus $67 for UAW

      Plus $10 a month for hosting.
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      = $287 per month

      That's not so bad is it?

      In two years I'll have 360 sites making at MINIMUM an average of $10 per site per month.

      That will put me at base minimum of 3,600 a month in only two years. I'll be getting paid that entire time leading up to it.
      This guys is spot on, and is doing it scarily similar to me... following Carl's guide but at around $17 per site. Domain + Fiverr bookmarking gig, then recurring costs on UAW and hosting. If I get 3x500 articles done for me, it'll push it up to $30 (I'm happy to pay that if I think the niche is a winner).

      With good keyword research (i.e. a niche with 1000+ unique search p/m with very low competition, CPC of $1+), this kind of Adsense strategy still works very well, people just get put off with having to make effort with regards to keyword research, article writing and article submission. Get it right though, and you could potentially break even within a month per site if you've landed on a good niche. Even an average niche could see you break even with 2 or 3 months. You don't need to spend a load of cash on additional linkbuilding, such as high PR backlinks, to get this to work.

      To me, these strategies are all about the first year... put the hard graft in, and you could reap great rewards. You absolutely do not need the $2000+ the op suggests.
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      • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
        You are right. I am one month into IM, building niche sites. I am a full-time web designer, doing it for many years, so I kinda have a huge head start, but this is my first time building sites purely for profit.

        I've spent about $200 last month on hosting for a year and buying domains and made $100. So I'll be profitable this month, but I do 100% of the work myself.

        I cannot imagine how people with no experience building websites, doing seo, writing content are going to make anything without a serious monetary investment to start with.
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    Like any business, you have to put time and money into it vbefore you can pull money out of it. There ain't no free lunch.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    "You need to spend money to make money" is the single worst advice I ever see promoted as gospel.

    No you don't. You need to make money. There are tons of ways you can 'get around' spending a ton of money to accomplish the same task.
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    • Profile picture of the author cleanerupper
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      "You need to spend money to make money" is the single worst advice I ever see promoted as gospel.

      No you don't. You need to make money. There are tons of ways you can 'get around' spending a ton of money to accomplish the same task.
      It all depends on what you're doing. This thread is about AdSense niche sites. Unfortunately, to be moderately profitable in that arena, it usually takes a sizeable initial investment.

      There are plenty of other gigs that will earn you money and don't require an upfront investment, such as: graphic design, web design, male stripper, lumberjack, and McDonalds French fry specialist. We're not talking about those things. We are talking about AdSense niche sites, and these things need to be created in bulk if you want to see anything remotely close to a nice passive income.
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      • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
        Originally Posted by cleanerupper View Post

        It all depends on what you're doing. This thread is about AdSense niche sites. Unfortunately, to be moderately profitable in that arena, it usually takes a sizeable initial investment.

        There are plenty of other gigs that will earn you money and don't require an upfront investment, such as: graphic design, web design, male stripper, lumberjack, and McDonalds French fry specialist. We're not talking about those things. We are talking about AdSense niche sites, and these things need to be created in bulk if you want to see anything remotely close to a nice passive income.
        re: The bulk comment

        I would say that depends

        Yes, if you're going after 1000 searches a month type keywords.

        But their are plenty of keywords that aren't hard to rank for that can make a much more then the lower searched counterparts and hence needs much fewer sites.

        Comes down to the keyword research.

        I still don't know why people recommend going after 1000 search terms, its such a low number, as I said, their are plenty of easy to rank keywords that has thousands and thousands more searches.

        Only time I go that low is if they are long tail keywords that are part of my main keyword which always has loads more searches then that, I'd never base a site on numbers so low, personally.

        People aim far too small.
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        • Profile picture of the author cleanerupper
          Originally Posted by hicksdelight View Post

          re: The bulk comment

          I would say that depends

          Yes, if you're going after 1000 searches a month type keywords.

          But their are plenty of keywords that aren't hard to rank for that can make a much more then the lower searched counterparts and hence needs much fewer sites.

          Comes down to the keyword research.

          I still don't know why people recommend going after 1000 search terms, its such a low number, as I said, their are plenty of easy to rank keywords that has thousands and thousands more searches.

          Only time I go that low is if they are long tail keywords that are part of my main keyword which always has loads more searches then that, I'd never base a site on numbers so low, personally.

          People aim far too small.
          Care to give a quick rundown of your method? I'm not asking for any secrets, just a general idea of your mindset when making your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    But what if the 100s of sites you build after 2 yrs for the 3600/month income, your acct gets banned with adsense? you are sht out of luck then since its impossible to monetize these sites with other revenue

    why put yourself as a target like that, all your income can be taken away in 20 seconds by google
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      But what if the 100s of sites you build after 2 yrs for the 3600/month income, your acct gets banned with adsense? you are sht out of luck then since its impossible to monetize these sites with other revenue

      why put yourself as a target like that, all your income can be taken away in 20 seconds by google
      That's why I would rather build 20 high quality sites that earn me, say, $5 a day to begin with, and that are expandable (i.e. a nice "umbrella niche") where I can keep adding content for as long as it makes sense, or until I get bored. Much less risk of getting banned by Adsense (I still don't know how people manage to get banned by Adsense when they "weren't doing anything wrong", but OK, let's say for the sake of argument it can happen).

      I have a model whereby I build the site and write the most important content myself (just no way I can trust anyone else to do that properly), and farm out the "supporting" (less important) articles/posts etc. That model can get me a site earning, say $5 a day within 3 months, with perhaps 20 hours invested of my time in total and perhaps $50-$100 invested in content.

      So do the maths on that - I COULD possibly create a batch of (say 15-20) sites earning 2000 a month within 3 months, but it would cost me:
      • $1500-$2000 for content
      • up to 400 hours' of my time

      Now that's 6 or 7 hours' work a day (if I take weekends off, or what's the point of doing IM!), OR, if I wanted to save $2000 and do ALL the work myself, I would probably have to double that to 14-15-hour working days.

      That might still sound doable to someone, but trust me, it's not. It's a recipe for burnout, even if you do outsource a good half of the work. You would have to be ultra-organised, for a start, and then have NOTHING else going on in your life, and then you would still have to maintain absolute dedication to those 20 sites over the 3 months.

      In practice, very very difficult, which is why this kind of process takes me a LOT longer than 3 months.

      Just my take, using my model, which I know is not the typical microniche $2-a-month model, that's why I thought I'd mention it.

      P.S. Oh, and this is not doable by a complete newbie - it is only realistic once you have had a LOT of failures first and have got a method that you know will get you results 80-90% of the time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by markowe View Post

        P.S. Oh, and this is not doable by a complete newbie - it is only realistic once you have had a LOT of failures first and have got a method that you know will get you results 80-90% of the time.
        Pretty much this. Great post!

        I have shifted my "system" towards creating bigger websites as well. I still like the idea of selling some of the sites after 3-6 months of steady earnings, though it's very important to re-invest this money properly (otherwise you make a loss in the long term).

        I think that making mistakes is a natural part of learning. It's also an essential part of running a business (at least one that's growing and expanding). I've made so many mistakes this year, it's not even funny (and we're only 4 months in, damn).

        Quite a few of my IM friends have gone back to 9-5 jobs this year. Things are difficult right now. You need quality products and/or services to stay in the game long-term.
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    • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      But what if the 100s of sites you build after 2 yrs for the 3600/month income, your acct gets banned with adsense? you are sht out of luck then since its impossible to monetize these sites with other revenue

      why put yourself as a target like that, all your income can be taken away in 20 seconds by google
      If you are running your Internet Marketing as a business, which if you want a full time income from it, then that is the only logical way. Then just like you would not do anything that is illegal with taxes or criminal with your business, you should not be doing anything that is against the TOS of Adsense. You should know the TOS inside and out so that you will NOT get your adsense account banned and you should not be trying to game the system by doing anything that might even remotely get your Adsense account banned. That is pretty simple logic....

      Also, if you are just going to make your 100 sites then try to sit on your ass to get the $3600 a month, then you are not really running a business are you. And that will eventually lead to you not making that money in the long run. Instead you would be looking to improve your business, make things run better, maybe make more money, etc. This is similar to what the adsenseflippers and other people are doing.

      In the end, if you are not doing anything that Google does not like....then there is no reason that you are a target.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimnastics
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      But what if the 100s of sites you build after 2 yrs for the 3600/month income, your acct gets banned with adsense? you are sht out of luck then since its impossible to monetize these sites with other revenue

      why put yourself as a target like that, all your income can be taken away in 20 seconds by google
      Why is it impossible to monetize those sites in other ways?
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