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Has BMR lost over half it's network due to panda

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I have heard that BMR has lost over half it's network due to the latest panda update? Anyone know how true this is.

I use BMR all the time and have thousands of articles..
#bmr #due #half #lost #network #panda
  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Originally Posted by options View Post

    I have heard that BMR has lost over half it's network due to the latest panda update? Anyone know how true this is.

    I use BMR all the time and have thousands of articles..
    Haven't heard anything about this at all. I'll definitely be keeping my eye out on it though because our new sites are using BMR quite heavily.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      Haven't heard anything about this at all. I'll definitely be keeping my eye out on it though because our new sites are using BMR quite heavily.
      I guess it would explain why they closed the doors...
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      • Profile picture of the author TBInternetMarketing
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I guess it would explain why they closed the doors...
        I think the main reason they closed their doors is because they were growing too quickly. Basically they had too many member for the number of sites they had which meant delays in posts being published and less time on the homepage etc.

        They have just closed their doors for the time being while they expand their blog network to accommodate more growth.

        I use them get they still work great!
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      • Profile picture of the author andrealhendrick
        That would make sense, Im sorry to hear they have shut down..
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        I guess it would explain why they closed the doors...
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Originally Posted by options View Post

    I have heard that BMR has lost over half it's network due to the latest panda update? Anyone know how true this is.

    I use BMR all the time and have thousands of articles..
    what percentage of your articles have been lost? have your sites backlinked by them been hit?
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      what percentage of your articles have been lost? have your sites backlinked by them been hit?
      That's the thing I don't think I have lost any links yet... Perhaps it's early days. I still have good rankings on all my sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author outwest
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        That's the thing I don't think I have lost any links yet... Perhaps it's early days. I still have good rankings on all my sites.
        I have never heard they lost half their articles
        that cant be true,
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinK8
      A lot of these high pr blog networks like BMR have closed the doors to new users recently. Something is definitely going on, big G must be all over them deindexing some of their sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
    How exactly is a Panda update going to affect a blog network? These networks are built to rank other people's sites and the rankings of the blogs in the network is a non-entity. Blog networks are been targeted by Google but it has nothing to do with the Panda filter.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

      How exactly is a Panda update going to affect a blog network? These networks are built to rank other people's sites and the rankings of the blogs in the network is a non-entity. Blog networks are been targeted by Google but it has nothing to do with the Panda filter.
      No, wrong.

      If, (big IF) sites in BMR were hit by Panda then the links coming from them are also devalued. That would in turn cause sites that depend on them to lose rank.

      When Panda updates happen, alot of people think they were hit but there were not. Many times it's just the sites that link to them that were hit. That's the basic nature of the web.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
        Originally Posted by retsek View Post

        No, wrong.

        If, (big IF) sites in BMR were hit by Panda then the links coming from them are also devalued. That would in turn cause sites that depend on them to lose rank.

        When Panda updates happen, alot of people think they were hit but there were not. Many times it's just the sites that link to them that were hit. That's the basic nature of the web.
        Read the title of the thread:

        "Re: Has BMR lost over half it's network due to panda"

        Losing a network can only happen if the sites in the network are deindexed and Panda is a filter that drives down the ranking of low quality sites. Where exactly is the relation?

        These days every negative thing that happens in the SEO world is attributed to Panda. It is as though Google has stopped working on their original algo and other ways to fight spam and low quality sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author options
          Originally Posted by Eleva8 View Post

          Read the title of the thread:

          "Re: Has BMR lost over half it's network due to panda"

          Losing a network can only happen if the sites in the network are deindexed and Panda is a filter that drives down the ranking of low quality sites. Where exactly is the relation?

          These days every negative thing that happens in the SEO world is attributed to Panda. It is as though Google has stopped working on their original algo and other ways to fight spam and low quality sites.
          I hear what your saying but surly panda is a filter to help the big g decide if that site should be deindexed? That's why they have filters...
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          • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
            Originally Posted by options View Post

            I hear what your saying but surly panda is a filter to help the big g decide if that site should be deindexed? That's why they have filters...
            For mass deindexing to occur it means Google has detected a clear footprint which they then use to uncover all the sites and then deindex them. This isn't the job of the Panda filter!
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    Come to think of it, I have checked posts a few weeks ago and not been able to find the indexed article. And they have checked as yes indexed...
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    There are much more powerful PBN's than BMR. In fact, I found one that is owned by an SEO company and they lease out 500 websites to BMR. Their PBN is 6000 strong and the 500 that they lease to BMR are the "bottom of the barrel". The SEO guy said that their websites are 4X as powerful as BMR's best.

    I hired him.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      There are much more powerful PBN's than BMR. In fact, I found one that is owned by an SEO company and they lease out 500 websites to BMR. Their PBN is 6000 strong and the 500 that they lease to BMR are the "bottom of the barrel". The SEO guy said that their websites are 4X as powerful as BMR's best.

      I hired him.
      Anything for a sale... If I told you I had 10 PR9 websites would you be interested in a link exchange ?

      So if it is true your seo guy might have lost his 500 sites..
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
        Originally Posted by options View Post

        Anything for a sale... If I told you I had 10 PR9 websites would you be interested in a link exchange ?

        So if it is true your seo guy might have lost his 500 sites..
        Successful SEO companies don't do "anything for a sale". Poor performance will bring an end to any company. This company has 100% client retention. They are not cheap either.

        I will ignore your sarcastic remark.
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        • Profile picture of the author options
          Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

          Successful SEO companies don't do "anything for a sale". Poor performance will bring an end to any company. This company has 100% client retention. They are not cheap either.

          I will ignore your sarcastic remark.
          This is the sort of post that does my head in, completely of topic, no real value to the thread.

          Every thread on this forum starts and ends in two people having a go at each other, who cares about your new best mate who is a seo god, this thread is about BMR not your new found love for a seo company
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      There are much more powerful PBN's than BMR. In fact, I found one that is owned by an SEO company and they lease out 500 websites to BMR. Their PBN is 6000 strong and the 500 that they lease to BMR are the "bottom of the barrel". The SEO guy said that their websites are 4X as powerful as BMR's best.

      I hired him.
      Care to share the name of this super powerful blog network? I'm sure they would like the extra business. This IS and internet marketing forum I believe.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
        @OP

        There has been no actual evidence of this happening shown on these forums that I am aware of. If you have a source for this, I'd love to see it.

        Until then this just wild speculation. My links are fine. There are many reasons why BMR may have stopped signing up new accounts.

        I cannot imagine how we got from that to the assumption that "HALF THEIR BLOGS ARE DEINDEXED!!"

        I do use them so if anyone has any info to support that, I'm all ears er.. eyes.
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        • Profile picture of the author options
          Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

          @OP

          There has been no actual evidence of this happening shown on these forums that I am aware of. If you have a source for this, I'd love to see it.

          Until then this just wild speculation. My links are fine. There are many reasons why BMR may have stopped signing up new accounts.

          I cannot imagine how we got from that to the assumption that "HALF THEIR BLOGS ARE DEINDEXED!!"

          I do use them so if anyone has any info to support that, I'm all ears er.. eyes.
          My source is from a insider.. But I'm not saying he/ she is correct, that's why I wanted the opionions of other warriors. Chances are if it was true this would be the first place to come.
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          • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
            Originally Posted by options View Post

            My source is from a insider.. But I'm not saying he/ she is correct, that's why I wanted the opionions of other warriors. Chances are if it was true this would be the first place to come.
            I have thousands of links via BMR and none are deindexed.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by options View Post

            My source is from a insider..

            Insider of what? Google? BMR?
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            • Profile picture of the author options
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Insider of what? Google? BMR?
              Not saying anymore.
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              • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
                Originally Posted by options View Post

                Not saying anymore.

                Then why bring it up?
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
        Originally Posted by Cantbedone! View Post

        Care to share the name of this super powerful blog network? I'm sure they would like the extra business. This IS and internet marketing forum I believe.
        Not at the moment. After the results are in, I may share.

        Just think about it. SEO companies have more control than BMR. They write the articles and submit them to the websites. They also have less clients which means the websites are not over-used.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      The SEO guy said that their websites are 4X as powerful as BMR's best.

      I hired him.

      ROFL. Not laughing at you moneymoguls but what he said. Thats goes to be the funniest thing I have read in awhile in SEO.

      SO if BMR has a PR5 what does the Seo guy have? A PR 20? . If he is talking relevancy how do you determine that one page is 4 times as relevant as BMRs

      Only thing that makes sense is he is saying he has four less links per page but that makes the links more powerful not the the websites.

      "SEOs" say thefunniest things when attempting to nail down a customer.
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    • Profile picture of the author aa411853
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      There are much more powerful PBN's than BMR. In fact, I found one that is owned by an SEO company and they lease out 500 websites to BMR. Their PBN is 6000 strong and the 500 that they lease to BMR are the "bottom of the barrel". The SEO guy said that their websites are 4X as powerful as BMR's best.

      I hired him.
      Well that's a nice lie, because we don't lease sites from anyone. Try again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    So it looks like for the most part BMR articles are still doing well for the majority of people so far. They are going to be the backbone of a lot of my sites that i'm building so they better stay strong
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      So it looks like for the most part BMR articles are still doing well for the majority of people so far. They are going to be the backbone of a lot of my sites that i'm building so they better stay strong
      Unfortunately theres no way they nor you can guarantee that they will be. I tend to believe they have lost some domains. Too many networks have suffered hits for one of the most popular not to have been either hit or soon to be hit. Every customer of a rental link network is a liability and so the big ones always will have more liability. With their size and deep pockets they may whether the storm though. The next shoe I would expect to drop is that their present users will have additional new requirements to jump through in regard to links, article submissions. Its the only way they can survive. That and they may need to consider a price increase and sorry - kick some keywords and thin sites to the curb
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  • Profile picture of the author dminorfmajor
    All these speculations and rumors are just that, Rumors and speculations!

    If you like BMR and don't want to leave them, just go down with the ship. (If the ship is going down that is.)

    I'm sticking with them. They've done well for me and are still continuing to do so. Great customer support and I never have problems getting articles approved.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeb
    There has been a good discussion going around in the BMR thread at the sticky threads section. Do read a page or two back regarding the de-indexation (if that is even a word).
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  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    BMR reviews and posts are definitely slow right now. It's taken 3 or 4 days for some of my articles to go live. It used to be a few hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cantbedone!
      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      BMR reviews and posts are definitely slow right now. It's taken 3 or 4 days for some of my articles to go live. It used to be a few hours.

      I have noticed this as well. I agree that something is going on but who knows what. I won't speculate. I'll just use them until it stops working and move on to something else. It is not the only source I use for links so even if the who thing collapses, it shouldn't hurt too badly...knock on wood.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjd1265
    I am doing very well with them...again they closed doors to get a larger network as they were getting overflooded, which would of hurt all the future and current users.

    They did the right thing and what most people do not know is all GOOD private blog networks do this. A lot of them only add 100 at a time and then bulld bigger, then add 100 more, then build bigger and so on....

    Get off their back, they did the right thing and for the current users they are still working great. If your site dropped or got deindexed good chance it is your fault!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    BMR have had 90% of their sites de-indexed by a new algorithm filter called the roflcopter, a guy who is a friend of an uncle of a cat who's kitten knows my hamster told me.
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    • Profile picture of the author J0hnnycl1ckz
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      BMR have had 90% of their sites de-indexed by a new algorithm filter called the roflcopter, a guy who is a friend of an uncle of a cat who's kitten knows my hamster told me.
      LOL +1

      Seriously all these BMR rumors are getting old.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      BMR have had 90% of their sites de-indexed by a new algorithm filter called the roflcopter, a guy who is a friend of an uncle of a cat who's kitten knows my hamster told me.
      Thats strange, thats exactly how i heard it
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    • Profile picture of the author Spooky007
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      BMR have had 90% of their sites de-indexed by a new algorithm filter called the roflcopter, a guy who is a friend of an uncle of a cat who's kitten knows my hamster told me.
      Dude, thanks so much for this, best reply in the whole thread.

      I'm really new at this SEO thing, and on Warrior Forum for that matter, but if there's one thing I've learned is that there's a lot of "cry wolf" going on, at least as far as BMR is concerned...

      Like all the gurus on here say, just diversify your backlinks , so that if BMR does get hit, you don't feel the blow that hard.
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      • Profile picture of the author bitriot
        I lost probably 30-40% of my indexed links via BMR but that's ok. It is pretty much a cost of doing business... that other 60-70% of links that remain indexed are doing their job.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
          Originally Posted by bitriot View Post

          I lost probably 30-40% of my indexed links via BMR but that's ok. It is pretty much a cost of doing business... that other 60-70% of links that remain indexed are doing their job.
          This is my experience too. I checked my last 100 links (past 30 days) and about 70 are still indexed. I haven't checked any of the older ones yet. 70 out of 100 is still pretty good considering what has been going on with the networks lately.
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          • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
            Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

            This is my experience too. I checked my last 100 links (past 30 days) and about 70 are still indexed. I haven't checked any of the older ones yet. 70 out of 100 is still pretty good considering what has been going on with the networks lately.
            I saw very similar results too... However, there is a bigger problem now. Seems that BMR stripped all links from the home pages, which means that we are not paying for a High PR network anymore. This is really, really a bad move in my opinion.
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            • Profile picture of the author mosthost
              Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

              I saw very similar results too... However, there is a bigger problem now. Seems that BMR stripped all links from the home pages, which means that we are not paying for a High PR network anymore. This is really, really a bad move in my opinion.
              You're saying that the fresh blog posts accessible via the home page no longer have any links in them? They suddenly appear when the posts are 'archived'?

              Wow.
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              • Profile picture of the author Berkinb
                Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                You're saying that the fresh blog posts accessible via the home page no longer have any links in them? They suddenly appear when the posts are 'archived'?

                Wow.
                Yes, that's exactly what is happening. All home pages are stripped of links as far as I can see.
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                • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                  Originally Posted by Berkinb View Post

                  Yes, that's exactly what is happening. All home pages are stripped of links as far as I can see.
                  That sounds like it will be 'the final straw' for many of their clients.
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                  • Profile picture of the author treezie
                    Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                    That sounds like it will be 'the final straw' for many of their clients.
                    I don't see it that way. Many of their blogs are posted on 2-3 times a day. So you are lucky if your links remain on the front page for a week. So I don't think the amount of time it stays on the front page is such a huge selling point.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I have a question for those that use BMR + Market Samurai.

    You know how it says your post was indexed on BMR? Well, when you research your keyword on Market Samurai does it show that post/backlink? Mine doesn't show at all and these are pertaining to the posts that have been "indexed". Should I trust MS? Or does it take time for Market Samurai to gather that data?
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  • Profile picture of the author options
    Well I submitted a ticket yesterday and asked them quite directly if they have lost some of there network.. The answer was no they did close the doors to update there network.

    I have just been through most of my posts and quite a few which are marked yes indexed are actually not.

    I have also just lost the number 1 position for a client. His site has just dropped 3 pages and all the link building I done was through BMR. Something is going on without a doubt.

    What really annoys me is I am paying for the subscription every month plus paying for content.

    People check your older posts
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    • Profile picture of the author Architex
      Originally Posted by options View Post

      Well I submitted a ticket yesterday and asked them quite directly if they have lost some of there network.. The answer was no they did close the doors to update there network.

      I have just been through most of my posts and quite a few which are marked yes indexed are actually not.

      I have also just lost the number 1 position for a client. His site has just dropped 3 pages and all the link building I done was through BMR. Something is going on without a doubt.

      What really annoys me is I am paying for the subscription every month plus paying for content.

      People check your older posts

      This is also happening to me. I have recently checked older posts and a lot of the ones marked indexed are not. Of course the ones not indexed are PR2 and above. I do not have a single PR4-5 that was indexed on BMR that still is. Take that how you want but it looks like something is definitely going on to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgem78
    Same case with a friend of mine. Most of his links through BMR have been de-indexed. Something going on with Panda updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheapstuff
    BMR seems like it could possibly be useful alongside a real SEO strategy. More as a short-term supplement, however in the long run and you can quote me on this, networks such as BMR will not help get you to the top of the first page... maybe close though.

    Fact is they are gaming the system and the footprint they leave behind will inevitably be found/accounted for.
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  • Profile picture of the author aa411853
    How do people make this stuff up? Depending on the forum anywhere from 30-90% of network has been deindexed. That's news to me.

    As I've publicly stated several times already, yes we have sites periodically deindexed, and we always have over our multi year history. It's going to happen. But such activity has never amounted to anything more than a small % of our overall network. We replace said site with 10 others and move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      Originally Posted by aa411853 View Post

      How do people make this stuff up? Depending on the forum anywhere from 30-90% of network has been deindexed. That's news to me.

      As I've publicly stated several times already, yes we have sites periodically deindexed, and we always have over our multi year history. It's going to happen. But such activity has never amounted to anything more than a small % of our overall network. We replace said site with 10 others and move on.
      Glad to see fighting your corner BMR. This shake up could be the tip of the iceberg and you could have a lot more to come.

      Also if your replacing deindexed sites then surly they are not going to be aged high pr domains which is what your network is well known for.
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