SEO hosting or multiple standard hosts?

14 years ago

This really depends on what kind of budget you have got. SEO hosting can be a lot more cheaper instead of having hosting accounts at multiple places. But the biggest advantage of having SEO hosting is you can control things a lot faster and things would be a lot easier to manage.

Just make sure that if you are choosing multiple host you buy dedicated IPs per domain or per site.

For example, if you are buying SEO Hosting would cost you : Hosting + Each C-Class IPs. Whereas Shared hosting with dedicated IPs would cost you Hosting + IP at each and every different hosting. So overall SEO hosting would prove a lot better in long run specially when you grow your network of sites.

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aaronaddy

14 years ago

Well SEO hosting is better than other hosting plans and make sure you the trusted web host there are numerous web hosting companies that offer SEO hosting but I suggest you to look out for an affordable one.

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kpcoops 14 years ago

I've heard some horror stories about people losing their networks because the seo host got mapped by google or they didn't provide them with unique ips or different c classes etc
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cssitkt

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kpcoops

To avoid all this, why not simply have 5 or 6 different (standard) hosting companies? You could easily set up 6 sites, all in the same niche, but host each site on the different host. That would have the same effect as an seo host assigning different IPs only this would be safer as you would not have all your eggs in one basket.

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I think that would work but you wouldn't get the administration benefits of SEO hosting where all of your sites are together but for a just few sites I guess this doesn't matter too much.

A lot of SEO hosting actually works out more expensive than using standard shared hosting when you compare the cost of hosting one site on SEO servers against one site on a common shared hosting package.

Mike's the expert in this dept - with a bit of luck he'll chip in

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by cssitkt

I think that would work but you wouldn't get the administration benefits of SEO hosting where all of your sites are together but for a just few sites I guess this doesn't matter too much.

A lot of SEO hosting actually works out more expensive than using standard shared hosting when you compare the cost of hosting one site on SEO servers against one site on a common shared hosting package.

Mike's the expert in this dept - with a bit of luck he'll chip in

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

When using shared hosting, are dedicated IP's really that important? As long as the IP isn't blacklisted, wouldn't having 100-200 sites hosted per IP (with only 1 site being yours) be a smaller footprint overall.

I have 30 shared hosting accounts hosting my oldest network (one account per blog). It's about 2x more expensive than SEO hosting, but I get huge IP diversity... The shared accounts are at 5 different providers (site5, bluehost, fatcow, hostgator and one other provider). I signed up at different times and got completely different IP ranges for each blog.

Anyone here with hundreds of blogs and lots of experience? I'm expanding right now and really torn between SEO hosting and regular accounts at numerous hosts.

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kpcoops 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

Anyone here with hundreds of blogs and lots of experience? I'm expanding right now and really torn between SEO hosting and regular accounts at numerous hosts.

I'm just starting out but I want to start the right way, so in same position as you (looking for advice as to whether to go with multiple standard hosts or one seo host).
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kpcoops

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

When using shared hosting, are dedicated IP's really that important? As long as the IP isn't blacklisted, wouldn't having 100-200 sites hosted per IP (with only 1 site being yours) be a smaller footprint overall.

I'm interested in this also. Any experienced members of the forum be kind enough to offer their insight?

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Cataclysm1987

14 years ago

SEO hosting leaves a bit of a footprint. Multiple SEO hosts and normal hosts is usually better. You will have to spend quite a bit of time managing this.

Also, be sure you are registering them through different name servers and registrars as well. Sometimes Google traces a footprint through the registration of domains and locks down on them through this method to deindex. Diversify everything as much as you can.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987

SEO hosting leaves a bit of a footprint. Multiple SEO hosts and normal hosts is usually better. You will have to spend quite a bit of time managing this.

Also, be sure you are registering them through different name servers and registrars as well. Sometimes Google traces a footprint through the registration of domains and locks down on them through this method to deindex. Diversify everything as much as you can.

I think your advice overall is very good. I agree diversity is the key across the board.

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Cataclysm1987

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kpcoops

Google can actually trace them through the domain registrar? Are you certain? Even with WhoisGuard Privacy Protection? That seems impossible unless of course you haven't privately registered the domains.

With regards to nameservers, yes, I have read it is better to use private nameservers. Is that would you refer to? Then again, how can they trace you through the nameservers? Thousands of people use godaddy nameservers, or hostgator etc. They would have to lock everyone down, unless I am missing something?

Yes I am 100 percent certain. I worked for a company with its own link network and we were able to determine that the only common feature of all our sites that got deindexed was the nameservers they were running on, AKA all from the same registrar.

No, they don't have to lock EVERYONE down, but think about it.

Here's a giant pile of domains all registered at GoDaddy.com with the same nameserver. That's not going to cause them to simply track you down and ban you, but it's one piece of evidence they have to trace you and figure out what you're doing.

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kpcoops

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cataclysm1987

No, they don't have to lock EVERYONE down, but think about it.

Here's a giant pile of domains all registered at GoDaddy.com with the same nameserver. That's not going to cause them to simply track you down and ban you, but it's one piece of evidence they have to trace you and figure out what you're doing.

Nameservers are a different proposition to domain registrar lone.

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micksss

14 years ago

Sounds as solid as can be to me. I personally wouldn't worry about separate domain registrars though.

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kpcoops 14 years ago

Originally Posted by micksss

I personally wouldn't worry about separate domain registrars though.

Yeah that has me stumped. How in the world can you leave fingerprints from domain registrars.
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I was suprised by the high prices of Seo hosting, as it's all under 1 roof. I know of shared hostings where you pay 5 euro for a whole year (I use it for a few of my sites and it works great and is fast as well) and with most seo hostings you pay $5/month for 1 ip. yeah ofcourse its easier to have it all under 1 roof but I really expected some more reasonable prices.
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Mantasmo

14 years ago

I use six different domain registrars. Oh sweet paranoia.

Originally Posted by nik0

I was suprised by the high prices of Seo hosting, as it's all under 1 roof. I know of shared hostings where you pay 5 euro for a whole year (I use it for a few of my sites and it works great and is fast as well) and with most seo hostings you pay $5/month for 1 ip. yeah ofcourse its easier to have it all under 1 roof but I really expected some more reasonable prices.

That's a good point. I need to look into some random shared hosting providers... been using the bigger ones only thus far.

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Melissa82

14 years ago

I have had nothing but positive results using SEO hosting. It's difficult to quantify how much of an advantage but for $6/month for five separate shared C Class IPs I'm not complaining

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14 years ago

I think that using a combination of both will yield best results. Using this combination makes for a random footprint and I think it much better for SEO.

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Kingfish85

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kpcoops

I'm relatively new to the industry and I've read a lot about unique IPs, separate c class blocks, ip diversity etc.

I am aware that there are web hosting companies that specialise in providing this whilst allowing you to keep your sites all in one place. BUT... I have some concerns. For example, I read that the big G completely mapped all the IPs at seohosting.com, meaning their IPs are now useless for this purpose.

To avoid all this, why not simply have 5 or 6 different (standard) hosting companies? You could easily set up 6 sites, all in the same niche, but host each site on the different host. That would have the same effect as an seo host assigning different IPs only this would be safer as you would not have all your eggs in one basket.

Am I missing something?

Thank you.

Since you're "relatively new" to the industry, you should do a little more research on "seo" hosting at other places specifically related to hosting. An IP address itself has little affect on your search engine ranks, despite what ANYONE tells you. The main reason people jump all over "seo" hosting is because they intend to run their own crap link farm full of fake back links to 1 site to scam the search engines in thinking it's actually getting good results.

There are millions, if not billions of web sites using shared hosting that have no problems getting high search engine results. When you're site is optimized correctly, using quality procedures, this "seo" hosting is basically useless since you don't need to purchase all of these "class c" IP addresses. Half of the people out there don't even know the difference between IP classes, and are getting scammed daily getting fake ones.

Short answer = don't use shady tactics for boosting your websites results, put in hard work & time and your site will move up and stay up. Why do you think all of these people using seo hosting complain that their results suck after moving? Because it was bs to begin with. Google doesn't say "hey this site has abc address and that size has xyz address, so we'll rank xyz site because we like it better". Build your website with quality content and it will succeed.

Especially with the IP address shortage, it's a major waste of ip addresses. The day will come when datacenters start confiscating ip addresses.

Do it right the first time and don't cut corners or feed into what everyone else tells you.

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14 years ago

Really though you only need 2 websites. The benefits from having multiple websites would be outweighed by the extra work they would take to create and manage.

Best piece of advice you will receive about this is to not try and game the system if you are doing a legitimate SEO campaign for a long term ranking.

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dburk 14 years ago

Hi kpcoops,

Stop listening to Cargo Cult Science SEO theories. SEO hosting is a scam cooked up by dubious web hosting companies to con you out of your money.

SEO hosting has absolutely no positive effect on rankings, nor does it provide you any cover from Google detecting your link network. Google doesn't care if your links are all from the same IP, or different IPs, as long as they make sense for users there is no issue. And if they don't make sense for users then it doesn't help you that they are on different IPs, web spam is still web spam no matter how diverse the IPs are.

I mean really, do you think Google is going to say "hmm... this network of web spam links appear to be on separate IPs so let's not devalue this web spam". :confused:
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kpcoops

14 years ago

All good advice and very much appreciated. I do not intend to game the system and I will indeed do further research.

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Kingfish85 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kpcoops

All good advice and very much appreciated. I do not intend to game the system and I will indeed do further research.

Great! Then any quality web host will do!
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14 years ago

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Private blogs on separate C classes, especially on PR3+ domains seems to be working right now.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CClassHosting

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Private blogs on separate C classes, especially on PR3+ domains seems to be working right now.

He is basically saying the opposite of what you're saying. What is a C class?

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14 years ago

The Video supports your statement.

Nevertheless, Private blogs on separate C classes, especially on PR3+ domains seems to be working right now.

Getting links from the same neighborhood or same c class, much worse same IP will have less value in terms of quality of links.

Hosting on multiple standard hosts will make your hosting scattered and costly. To host unlimited domains will cost between $5 and $10/ standard host. Not to mention that you have to share the IP with other sites. Which can be negative in some cases.
Case in point, those who are running fiverrscript on arvixe servers will have to worry about duplicate content on the same IP

which is like super bad.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CClassHosting

The Video supports your statement.

Nevertheless, Private blogs on separate C classes, especially on PR3+ domains seems to be working right now.

Getting links from the same neighborhood or same c class, much worse same IP will have less value in terms of quality of links.

Hosting on multiple standard hosts will make your hosting scattered and costly. To host unlimited domains will cost between $5 and $10/ standard host. Not to mention that you have to share the IP with other sites. Which can be negative in some cases.
Case in point, those who are running fiverrscript on arvixe servers will have to worry about duplicate content on the same IP

which is like super bad.

Right, I understand this. I was curious as to what others' "c class" meant. Matt Cutts, of all people should know there's no such thing a "class c blocks" since IP addressing is no longer classed.

Overall, the goal here for the OP is to focus on the content & quality of the sites, not the IP addresses. Typically cheaper hosting with unlimited everything will result in overloaded environments packed with spammy/junk sites.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Right, I understand this. I was curious as to what others' "c class" meant. Matt Cutts, of all people should know there's no such thing a "class c blocks" since IP addressing is no longer classed.

Are you saying, for the purpose of SEO, links coming from same IP block/C Class will have same value, compared to links on completely different neighborhoods/a,b or c IP classes? (All things being equal)

Seo hosting on multiple c classes really means that the sites are hosted on separate a,b or c classes. Links between your sites will make Google think that they are in different neighborhoods. This is an advanced SEO strategy.
Of course, one can also achieve all this by getting multiple standard hosting services at different webhosts. What ever floats your boat.

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Kingfish85

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CClassHosting

Are you saying, for the purpose of SEO, links coming from same IP block/C Class will have same value, compared to links on completely different neighborhoods/a,b or c IP classes? (All things being equal)

Seo hosting on multiple c classes really means that the sites are hosted on separate a,b or c classes. Links between your sites will make Google think that they are in different neighborhoods. This is an advanced SEO strategy.
Of course, one can also achieve all this by getting multiple standard hosting services at different webhosts. What ever floats your boat.

I'm saying that there's no such thing anymore of this "A, B, C" class. CIDR replaced classful routing in the early 90's.

Those who need to use different IP's to try to fool the search engine are typically spammers that end up getting caught anyway.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by kcoops

SEO hosting or multiple standard hosts?
I'm relatively new to the industry and I've read a lot about unique IPs, separate c class blocks, ip diversity etc.

SEO hosting will certainly be more cost-effective than multiple shared hosts (and convenient). Not really much more to say to your original question that that.

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Overall, the goal here for the OP is to focus on the content & quality of the sites, not the IP addresses. Typically cheaper hosting with unlimited everything will result in overloaded environments packed with spammy/junk sites.

This couldn't be more true re: cheaper hosting, and SEO on the whole.

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Right, I understand this. I was curious as to what others' "c class" meant. Matt Cutts, of all people should know there's no such thing a "class c blocks" since IP addressing is no longer classed.

I think you were misinformed here though, unless you're referring to a looming implementation of IPv6 web-wide (in which case, SEO hosting has the same value, it's just technically not a classful network).

A "class C" is 256 IPv4 addresses. If your own IP address is 123.456.678.910, for example, it's simply the entire range within the 3rd portion (A.B.C.D). It's very much not a myth and this addressing scheme is needed for you to be browsing the web right now. You might also see it shown in what's called CIDR notation, shown as "/24".

More: Classful network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When SEO hosts advertise "Multiple Class C's", they're trying to tell you that their IP blocks are diverse. So for example, they won't assign you both 123.456.789.100 and 123.456.789.101. That's pretty much it.

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Re: SEO hosting or multiple standard hosts?
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Private blogs on separate C classes, especially on PR3+ domains seems to be working right now.

Thanks for posting this- does a good job of nailing down Google's stance of "often, not a problem, but sometimes it is". Another really interesting scenario comes up when people are doing international SEO and local SEO, where Google has also stated publicly that IP address is a ranking factor (I can dig up a source if need be, but I think that fact is fairly Google-able and probably even intuitive enough on it's own

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Kingfish85

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aseohosting

SEO hosting will certainly be more cost-effective than multiple shared hosts (and convenient). Not really much more to say to your original question that that.

This couldn't be more true re: cheaper hosting, and SEO on the whole.

I think you were misinformed here though, unless you're referring to a looming implementation of IPv6 (in which case, SEO hosting has the same value, it's just technically not a classful network).

A "class C" is 256 IPv4 addresses. If your own IP address is 123.456.678.910, for example, it's simply the entire range within the 3rd portion (A.B.C.D). It's very much not a myth and this addressing scheme is needed for you to be browsing the web right now. You might also see it shown in what's called CIDR notation, shown as "/24".

More: Classful network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When SEO hosts advertise "Multiple Class C's", they're trying to tell you that their IP blocks are diverse. So for example, they won't assign you both 123.456.789.100 and 123.456.789.101. That's pretty much it.

Thanks for posting this- does a good job of nailing down Google's stance of "often, not a problem, but sometimes it is". Another really interesting scenario comes up when people are doing international SEO and local SEO, where Google has also stated publicly that IP address is a ranking factor (I can dig up a source if need be, but I think that fact is fairly Google-able and probably even intuitive enough on it's own

).

Ok, way to dig up a month old thread to advertise your "seo hosting" signature. A /24 is no different from any other block other than size. Make sure you search and dig up all of the other "seo hosting" threads as well, there's plenty. :rolleyes:

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Ok, way to dig up a month old thread to advertise your "seo hosting" signature. A /24 is no different from any other block other than size. Make sure you search and dig up all of the other "seo hosting" threads as well, there's plenty. :rolleyes:

Apparently I hit a nerve.

No intent to supersede your own hosting company signature (I might point out, placed nearly a year after this thread was started); I just wanted to clear up any confusion and this is the soonest I've had time to browse the Warrior Forum for threads that I've expertise in for a while.

If you feel that I didn't add value by elaborating to be the first one to say that a Class C does in fact exist, and explaining to a reader why SEO hosts are advertising them (which kpcoops had directly asked about), that's your right.

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Kingfish85

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aseohosting

Apparently I hit a nerve.

No intent to supersede your own hosting company signature (I might point out, placed nearly a year after this thread was started); I just wanted to clear up any confusion and this is the soonest I've had time to browse the Warrior Forum for threads that I've expertise in for a while.

If you feel that I didn't add value by elaborating to be the first one to say that a Class C does in fact exist, and explaining to a reader why SEO hosts are advertising them (which kpcoops had directly asked about), that's your right.

I'll go back and remove all of my signatures from my posts. If people want to pay a "stupid tax" for "seo hosting" then so be it. Everyone seems to forget you can have 20 different IP addresses for 20 different sites, but they all take the same path.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by aseohosting

If you feel that I didn't add value by elaborating to be the first one to say that a Class C does in fact exist, and explaining to a reader why SEO hosts are advertising them (which kpcoops had directly asked about), that's your right.

Also, just so you know, Class C or C Blocks do not exist any longer. They were replaced with CIDR many years ago. It's only used in reference as dummy terms to introduce beginners into CIDR that is easy to understand. A "class C network" or "class C" block does not exist & is irrelevant even though people continue to feed into it. It's amazing to me that multiple web hosts here in this forum have no clue about the product they're selling.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Also, just so you know, Class C or C Blocks do not exist any longer. They were replaced with CIDR many years ago. It's only used in reference as dummy terms to introduce beginners into CIDR that is easy to understand. A "class C network" or "class C" block does not exist & is irrelevant even though people continue to feed into it. It's amazing to me that multiple web hosts here in this forum have no clue about the product they're selling.

I think the line bolded above hits the nail on the head. I can't speak for every SEO host (and surely not all of them are experts in all that is networking), but in my experience the average SEO hosting client is definitely a beginner to CIDR. These aren't network administrators.

In a perfect world, an SEO host could advertise a /23 as a larger IP provision than a /24, but the reality is that a high percentage of your clients end up being upset that that you're charging a similar rate for 24 IP addresses as your competitor is for 256. This presents a major issue that unfortunately needs to be resolved by using language that some network administrators might avoid.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by aseohosting

I think the line bolded above hits the nail on the head. I can't speak for every SEO host (and surely not all of them are experts in all that is networking), but in my experience the average SEO hosting client is definitely a beginner to CIDR. These aren't network administrators.

In a perfect world, an SEO host could advertise a /23 as a larger IP provision than a /24, but the reality is that a high percentage of your clients end up being upset that that you're charging a similar rate for 24 IP addresses as your competitor is for 256. This presents a major issue that unfortunately needs to be resolved by using language that some network administrators might avoid.

It still has nothing to do with anything..... What the hell does a /24 have to do with SEO? NOTHING. What does this "C" have to do with anything? NOTHING. There's absolutely no difference from a /24 than a /29 other than the number of IP's per block. Still, the "theory" of this SEO hosting crap is that you have "multiple different unique ips" all in one plan so it's easy to manage, correct? Now, there could be 50 different IP addresses, all from 50 different blocks, but they take the EXACT SAME PATH.

An "seo" host isn't selling a /24 to customers. 90% of people looking for this "seo" hosting aren't even going to come close to paying the cost for that size block.

This, right from your site: Having a wide range of IP addresses in your Multiple IP Hosting package. So, now that we've cleared up that they all take the same path to get back to this 1 package, what exactly is it that is being sold? Nothing more than an idiot tax for a few extra IP addresses.

Like I said, if un-suspecting people who don't want to learn the actual facts want to continue to pay an "idiot tax" for these non-existent C Class IP addresses then so be it. It's nothing more than a placebo effect. When IPV6 is more widely used, all this C Class this & that will make y'all look even dumber than now. The funny thing is, it's only "seo hosts" & so called "seo experts" that use these ridiculous terms.

The way classed IP addressing is introduced to beginners, example, those taking a CCNA etc, is in no relation to the hosting industry what so ever. The average "seo client" most likely has not even a remote clue to what CIDR is. They also have no clue that CIDR replaced classful routing in the early 90's & that the "would be" class of an IP address is completely irrelevant to anything.

A /24 has no more "SEO" bearing than a /29 or a /26 or a /27 or a /28.......

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a web host, you should already know this. You should also be fairly versed in networking and IP addressing among other things..

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

It still has nothing to do with anything..... What the hell does a /24 have to do with SEO? NOTHING. What does this "C" have to do with anything? NOTHING. There's absolutely no difference from a /24 than a /29 other than the number of IP's per block. Still, the "theory" of this SEO hosting crap is that you have "multiple different unique ips" all in one plan so it's easy to manage, correct? Now, there could be 50 different IP addresses, all from 50 different blocks, but they take the EXACT SAME PATH.

An "seo" host isn't selling a /24 to customers. 90% of people looking for this "seo" hosting aren't even going to come close to paying the cost for that size block.

A /29 is certainly more common. And no, the CIDR notation equivalent to a Class C has "nothing to do with SEO" by itself as you say. I'm not sure what you're reaching for with this.

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

This, right from your site: Having a wide range of IP addresses in your Multiple IP Hosting package. So, now that we've cleared up that they all take the same path to get back to this 1 package, what exactly is it that is being sold? Nothing more than an idiot tax for a few extra IP addresses.

I would describe it as a good deal for IPv4 address space, which is a commodity in high demand (free of any kind of "idiot tax"). I can imagine that if people didn't want the IP addresses, they wouldn't order them. Hosting is certainly cheaper without them, and we offer that as an option too. But some people like their IP space to be diverse, and often in particular geographic regions so that they can better rank in those local and international searches.

I wouldn't call those people idiots.

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Like I said, if un-suspecting people who don't want to learn the actual facts want to continue to pay an "idiot tax" for these non-existent C Class IP addresses then so be it. It's nothing more than a placebo effect. When IPV6 is more widely used, all this C Class this & that will make y'all look even dumber than now. The funny thing is, it's only "seo hosts" & so called "seo experts" that use these ridiculous terms.

The way classed IP addressing is introduced to beginners, example, those taking a CCNA etc, is in no relation to the hosting industry what so ever. The average "seo client" most likely has not even a remote clue to what CIDR is. They also have no clue that CIDR replaced classful routing in the early 90's & that the "would be" class of an IP address is completely irrelevant to anything.

A /24 has no more "SEO" bearing than a /29 or a /26 or a /27 or a /28.......

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but as a web host, you should already know this. You should also be fairly versed in networking and IP addressing among other things..

Why is it important for an SEO hosting client to understand early 90's routing? Or to have a CCNA? Sure, if you operate a network, you need to understand these features. But in our company, at least, none of this is about us- it's about our clients and giving them what they want.

The only thing that really matters here- I'm pretty sure that IP addresses do exist. The ability to give supply the in higher quantities and at particular diverse providers and regions exists. The benefits that people seek to achieve in getting IP addresses in diverse ranges, also exists. And IPv6 isn't poised to change one bit of any of it.

The only real bearing that the "Class C" terminology has in the meantime is that people have a simple understanding of it being equivalent to a range of 256 IP addresses- one iteration of the 3rd octet. It's an incredibly base means of talking about the fact that IP's are diverse. Sure, we could get into other factors like rWhois, SWIP, traceroutes, RBL listings, and other factors that also provide major footprints and signals that could be seen by a search engine. And if that conversation gets brought up, great- I know in our case, at least, we're happy to have it. But for better or worse, one of the first conversations that people want to have with an SEO hosting company is whether or not they are large and diverse enough to offer IP addresses in a wide variety of different /24 assignments.

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Kingfish85

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aseohosting

A /29 is certainly more common. And no, the CIDR notation equivalent to a Class C has "nothing to do with SEO" by itself as you say. I'm not sure what you're reaching for with this.

I would describe it as a good deal for IPv4 address space, which is a commodity in high demand (free of any kind of "idiot tax"). I can imagine that if people didn't want the IP addresses, they wouldn't order them. Hosting is certainly cheaper without them, and we offer that as an option too. But some people like their IP space to be diverse, and often in particular geographic regions so that they can better rank in those local and international searches.

I wouldn't call those people idiots.

Why is it important for an SEO hosting client to understand early 90's routing? Or to have a CCNA? Sure, if you operate a network, you need to understand these features. But in our company, at least, none of this is about us- it's about our clients and giving them what they want.

The only thing that really matters here- I'm pretty sure that IP addresses do exist. The ability to give supply the in higher quantities and at particular diverse providers and regions exists. The benefits that people seek to achieve in getting IP addresses in diverse ranges, also exists. And IPv6 isn't poised to change one bit of any of it.

The only real bearing that the "Class C" terminology has in the meantime is that people have a simple understanding of it being equivalent to a range of 256 IP addresses- one iteration of the 3rd octet. It's an incredibly base means of talking about the fact that IP's are diverse. Sure, we could get into other factors like rWhois, SWIP, traceroutes, RBL listings, and other factors that also provide major footprints and signals that could be seen by a search engine. And if that conversation gets brought up, great- I know in our case, at least, we're happy to have it. But for better or worse, one of the first conversations that people want to have with an SEO hosting company is whether or not they are large and diverse enough to offer IP addresses in a wide variety of different /24 assignments.

And what exactly does it have to do with SEO again? Nothing. A third octet is a third octet, doesn't matter what so called class the range is in. Period.

So, you agree about the footprints of a swip'ed block, whois listings, registration dates, hops to specific servers etc etc but yet you still argue the point. I guarantee you 99.9% of those looking for "seo hosting" have no clue that what used to be a "c block" is now a /24. It's bought based on the false notation that it's better than traditional name based hosting. Search engines do not treat a site differently or rank any differently based on some bogus range of the IP address. Why is a /24 better than 2 /25's? It's not.

This mis-information only takes place on internet marking & seo forums where 90% of the info is hear say garbage to begin with.

So, where you said here:

I think you were misinformed here though, unless you're referring to a looming implementation of IPv6 web-wide (in which case, SEO hosting has the same value, it's just technically not a classful network).

A "class C" is 256 IPv4 addresses. If your own IP address is 123.456.678.910, for example, it's simply the entire range within the 3rd portion (A.B.C.D). It's very much not a myth and this addressing scheme is needed for you to be browsing the web right now. You might also see it shown in what's called CIDR notation, shown as "/24".

More: Classful network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When SEO hosts advertise "Multiple Class C's", they're trying to tell you that their IP blocks are diverse. So for example, they won't assign you both 123.456.789.100 and 123.456.789.101. That's pretty much it.

Please please please tell me how this had anything to do with seo. It's not 1995 anymore.

EDIT: Also, since you failed to read & understand the documentation on deprecated classing you replied with, the classing used to refer to the first octet or 192.XX to 223.XX - nothing to do with the "third octet".

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aseohosting 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

refer to the first octet or 192.XX to 223.XX - nothing to do with the "third octet".

Except that the block size of a class C (or /24, if you prefer) is 256 IP addresses: equal to one iteration of the 3rd octet. The first octet of the entire IPv4 space that was originally reserved for assignments in /24-size blocks is completely unrelated and has not been a part of this conversation until now.

And SEO comes into play for local SEO, international SEO, in IP-based blacklisting scenarios as in the Matt Cutts video that was already posted in this thread. It also comes into play when people are worried about their own networks of sites (however legitimate these concerns might be), having or being associated with other footprint signals, like a bad /24 being assigned to a single ill-behaved user.

But if you say a networking concept has nothing to do with SEO, you're right- neither does cPanel, and SEO hosts offer that too. If you're reaching for some point where it does in these long rants, I think you should re-take that CCNA class.
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- Kingfish85 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by aseohosting
  
  If you're reaching for some point where it does in these long rants, I think you should re-take that CCNA class.
  
  I've got no further comments. I believe you should take your own advice there buddy.
  
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  fortony 13 years ago
  
  Unless you are into some kind of linking scheme, what is going to matter with hosting far more than anything is the quality of the service. Not only for search engines but for the visitors.
  
  Make sure you get reliable services with enough RAM and power to load your sites quickly. Worrying about IPs should probably be the least of your concerns now.
  
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CClassHosting

14 years ago

Top SEO companies are using multiple c class IPs, to host their client websites/private blogs, because it works.
You do what works in the industry. Plain and Simple.

It is a misconception to think that all people who use c class hosting/SEO hosting are spammers. On the contrary, you are protecting yourself from spammers by getting a dedicated ip address that is unique to your account/domain.

Google says it doesnt matter, unless you are hosting on the same IP as a couple of thousand adult sites. Fact is a single bad site on the IP can potentially have a bad influence on the rest of the sites on that IP. Just depends on how bad that site is.

If you are running a business, why take chances over a few bucks? Get everything working in your favor.

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Lanx

13 years ago

i learned a lot, hope kingfish and aseo keep going at it! network layer stuff is too "foreign language" for me to understand, i'll just sit back and the techno jargon fly.

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Grazina 13 years ago

It seems to me aseohosting is able to meet the needs of the OP.
This company has provided multiple hosting on sweet terms.
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