.com vs. .co, .org, .info

Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

I have observed that my iPod touch came with a ".com" button - even though it is considered a mobile device.

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paul_1 14 years ago

.com is still the way to go for me when it comes getting an IM site which I need to promote.
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  .com is always what I go for, if that's not available I go for .net.
  
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andrealhendrick

14 years ago

haha I have one as well on my android. dot coms are set as the leading domian, and I doubt that will change unless some substantial changes/ regulations take place online.

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

I have observed that my iPod touch came with a ".com" button - even though it is considered a mobile device.

Originally Posted by StunningWarrior

There's a big difference between the English speaking world and the rest of the world.

In Germany, for example, where I am right now, people tend to expect a .de first and a .com second. You wouldn't get a lot of type-ins if you found a vacant .com for even a well known .de domain. In fact down in Bavaria some people also use .by (the Belorussian tld) in preference to .com (BY being an abbreviation for Bayern, the German name for Bavaria). See .by-Domain (Weissrussland) gnstig registrieren / reservieren mit united-domains (note the .de domain) to see the .by domain being promoted for Bayern. (As an aside, the rules for hyphens in domain names do not apply in Germany due to the language structure where people expect to see hyphens.)

In France people trust(ed) .fr due to the (recently relaxed) restrictions on registering that domain. When I lived in Paris I certainly saw people look to .fr first and .com second but that was several years ago.

I think for the OP, maybe using .in won't work the same way because it has been adopted as a gTLD by many people (although I don't recall Google making the same comment about it as for .co .tv and .me). But I've never been to India so maybe I'm wrong.

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Myri

14 years ago

cbnet, if you register a domain name - lets say abcdef .net, etc, and there is an abcdef.com , you will work mainly for the abcdef.com, it will be in any search engine, especially if you have a type in domain name.
For IM you should use a .com, there are still good domains available, fee for example domains for sale, expiring, etc.

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cbnet

14 years ago

I believe we some how have to balance the strong hold of .com. And we can do it. People are the ultimate power. Solution is start using/registering with other next available extensions.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cbnet

I believe we some how have to balance the strong hold of .com. And we can do it. People are the ultimate power. Solution is start using/registering with other next available extensions.

uhhhh ... people do.

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veheme

14 years ago

I highly doubt it OP.

People have ingrained in their minds that when a certain site is mentioned, it is automatically a .com

It would need a massive movement to do this and it has to last for at least 10 years. Aside from that, internet marketers will take advantage of the available .com's which will foil your plan.

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cbnet

14 years ago

What I am suggesting is go for other next extensions, when .com with your niche targeted domain name is not available instead of aiming for .com with a name not having your exact domain name.

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pierswalker

14 years ago

Nice idea, but when people think of internet, they think of .com first and foremost.

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cbnet

14 years ago

Smart Internet Marketers have registered all of the mostly searched terms with .com. Do we play into their hands or do something about it. Search engines also need to do some thing to make available a fair play to all.

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cbnet

14 years ago

Any comments from the experts on above

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Centurian

14 years ago

We are dealing with first in mind positioning. And the .com is the brand to beat.

Nevertheless, having been marketing online since the 90's, I've noticed how once despised extensions have become widely accepted.

The .com rules, but there is always a second or third option. As the domains fill out more, I think this will continue to develop.

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EllesBelles

14 years ago

You can. You just need to be aware that it is highly likely the .com site is on the same topic as yours, and people will undoubtedly search for the .com, probably the .co.uk, but they are unlikely to remember .net etc. So you will loose some traffic to those other sites, unless you make your extension a big part of your branding.

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IMSince2003

14 years ago

It depends on what you intend to accomplish. Many people bookmark sites they like and Google will index your site according to its merits whatever the extension.

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MarkUSA

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IMSince2003

It depends on what you intend to accomplish. Many people bookmark sites they like and Google will index your site according to its merits whatever the extension.

Are you sure about this? All the "gurus" and mentors out there say that .com, .net, and .org rank about the same but any others (including .info) rank worse with the same content, all other things being equal.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarkUSA

All the "gurus" and mentors out there say that .com, .net, and .org rank about the same but any others (including .info) rank worse with the same content, all other things being equal.

Those people may call themselves "gurus" or "mentors" (perhaps because nobody else will?), but they're apparently unaware of the huge lengths that Google, and particularly Matt Cutts, have gone to, to clarify for people that that's nonsense.

He's said it in writing, on Google blogs, on his own blogs, on video, with smoke signals, by carrier pigeon and by climbing Everest and proclaiming it to the world.

TLD's are all exactly the same for all Google SEO/ranking purposes.

It's simply factual.

Unless, of course, you think that Google's deliberately lying about it, in order to deceive people, for some twisted, deceptive reason best known to themselves.

There are, I know, one or two - possibly even three - people who do think that. Or, at least, when you post videos here of Matt Cutts clarifying this with no ambiguity at all (as I know from personal experience of doing so), and they feel backed into a corner because they've been proven mistaken about it, that's what they try to claim.

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TestiVar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Unless, of course, you think that Google's deliberately lying about it, in order to deceive people, for some twisted, deceptive reason best known to themselves.

I don't necessarily think they are lying about this issue, but Google has been known to outright lie about their ranking algorithm in the past.

It don't think it matters in this case. Dot info doesn't work. It has nothing to do with Google. It simply doesn't matter if Google gives dot info a ranking boost, neutral ranking or a ranking drop. It doesn't matter if they are lying or not.

Dot info doesn't work for reasons that have nothing to do with Google.

Why do you people put bad name info domains?

I didn't do that. I don't know of any player who has put a good or a bad name on them. They simply don't exist in the world of actual real profitable businesses.

There is no .info equivalent of Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, PayPal, eBay, American Airlines, ReMax realty, Expedia or ANY other player. It's fantasy to think you can create the next dot info success.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
Originally Posted by TestiVar

Dot info doesn't work for reasons that have nothing to do with Google.

From my customers' perceptions (and the money I pay into the bank), it actually "works" much better for me than .com, thanks.

I buy all the .com's as well, to make sure nobody else does and for other reasons, but in each niche I redirect the .com I'm not using to the .info I am using. I've found it very beneficial.

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Originally Posted by TestiVar

Dot info doesn't work.

If you'll excuse me, after all the research, consultation with customers and potential customers and split-testing I've done for my own business on this question, I'll interpret that "observation" in much the same way as so many experienced, successful business owners here have been interpreting your other recent opinions (albeit that they're all expressed as fact rather than as opinion) such as that ...
In other words, if you don't mind, I'll just respectfully register my disagreement.
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TestiVar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarkUSA

Are you sure about this? All the "gurus" and mentors out there say that .com, .net, and .org rank about the same but any others (including .info) rank worse with the same content, all other things being equal.

So?

So you get your .net to rank on Google. Susie still visits your site and quickly decides not to buy because she notices the .net. Bob likes your site called stufio.net so he tells his friend Tom. Tom goes to stufio.com and says "WTH... Why does Bob like this crap?"

Google isn't everything. In fact, it is less than 10% of the lead source for the top 10,000 most profitable online businesses. Getting ranked OK for your .info site on Google probably helps the .com version of your domain more than it helps your .info.

There has NEVER been a dot net rush. There has NEVER been a dot info bubble. There has NEVER been a huge Internet success in English speaking countries that didn't use a dot com by the time they were successful.

The couple who made HUGE mistakes by choose .org or .us admit they made HUGE mistakes and now own their dot com names (Delicious and Craigslist).

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mojojuju 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

Google isn't everything. In fact, it is less than 10% of the lead source for the top 10,000 most profitable online businesses.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cbnet

I have observed .com is not available for most of the high searched terms. I suggest to obviate the monopoly of .com, people start using/registering names with other extensions like .co, .org, .info etc.

There are some potential disadvantages of this, including but not limited to these three examples ...

(i) Resale (value typically greatly reduced by not having the .com);

(ii) Loss of type-in traffic (if you don't own the .com, someone else does, and at some point you'll lose some traffic to them);

(iii) Credibility/plausibility/appearance (varies greatly from niche to niche and traffic-demographic to traffic-demographic, but internet marketers often imagine that a .com "looks more professional" - albeit that in some other niches the customers may even find it off-putting and prefer ".info", for example - and for some people that's, understandably, a big factor).

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TestiVar

14 years ago

There has never been a dot net rush or a dot info rush or a dot co rush.

Real businesses use dot com. Every. Single. One.

The few exceptions realized their mistake and fixed it as soon as they could (ie: Delicious & Craigslist).

It is a HUGE mistake to build a business on anything other than a dot com. You are just building the brand of whomever owns the dot com if you do that.

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StunningWarrior

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TestiVar

There has never been a dot net rush or a dot info rush or a dot co rush.

Real businesses use dot com. Every. Single. One.

The few exceptions realized their mistake and fixed it as soon as they could (ie: Delicious & Craigslist).

It is a HUGE mistake to build a business on anything other than a dot com. You are just building the brand of whomever owns the dot com if you do that.

There's a big difference between the English speaking world and the rest of the world.

In Germany, for example, where I am right now, people tend to expect a .de first and a .com second. You wouldn't get a lot of type-ins if you found a vacant .com for even a well known .de domain. In fact down in Bavaria some people also use .by (the Belorussian tld) in preference to .com (BY being an abbreviation for Bayern, the German name for Bavaria). See .by-Domain (Weissrussland) gnstig registrieren / reservieren mit united-domains (note the .de domain) to see the .by domain being promoted for Bayern. (As an aside, the rules for hyphens in domain names do not apply in Germany due to the language structure where people expect to see hyphens.)

In France people trust(ed) .fr due to the (recently relaxed) restrictions on registering that domain. When I lived in Paris I certainly saw people look to .fr first and .com second but that was several years ago.

I think for the OP, maybe using .in won't work the same way because it has been adopted as a gTLD by many people (although I don't recall Google making the same comment about it as for .co .tv and .me). But I've never been to India so maybe I'm wrong.

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Eduard Stinga

14 years ago

.com is still king and will continue to be. There's nothing people can do about it right now.

On a side note, my Android phone has a .com button as well

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HeySal

14 years ago

First off - if other extensions of a domain name are in use and you buy the alternative extension of the same domain - you can be seen as cybersquating if it's parked and as infringing if using it. So you need to be very careful when buying alternative extensions.

.com is perceived to be a business site
.info - an informational site
.org is usually perceived to be an organizational site, such as a non-profit or other "cause" related sort of site.

You can try to beat everyone at some marketing game, or you can portray your site in the best possible way for your searchers to perceive it. It is still the truth, though, that most of the time when googling a site, people will search for the .com first. Consider it sheer force of a lot of years of habit. It may change in the future, but for now that is the general habit.

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StunningWarrior 14 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

.org is usually perceived to be an organizational site, such as a non-profit or other "cause" related sort of site.

That's very true. If you're not looking to make money (the OP didn't say that he/she is trying to do so, we have just assumed it) but to spread an idea then go for .org because a lot of people trust it more (I guess some people don't realize that anybody can register a .org).
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ErikNilsson

14 years ago

The best option if you don't find a .com is then to pick up a ccTLDs last week online-casinos.de is sold at a good price...

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SpacedInvader

14 years ago

I hate to dig up an old thread...okay, I'm really not at all bothered by digging up an old thread; just a little sad I wasn't here when the shovel loads of dirt were being thrown.

Some of you remind me of my grandfather's story of Tom, the restaurant owner he knew in the early nineteen fifties. The first fast food joint in town had just opened down the block from his well known establishment. Tom proclaimed loudly to anyone who would listen what a fool his young challenger was, "That place will be gone in a year. People want to set down and enjoy their meal." Standing the test of time, Tom's restaurant still occupies the same corner lot it did sixty years ago, sadly Tom is gone...and that fast food joint? I had and "old fashioned" burger at one of their sixteen locations yesterday. My point is, the world is a fluid, ever expanding place and you either change and grow with it or you can choose to stay in your .com corner.

As to the reason .com, .net, and .org rank higher in Google...well, I think some of you might be confusing correlation with causation. Someone said "all things being equal"...all things aren't equal. The one thing .com, .net, and .org have over their upstart challengers (at least when browsing existing rankings) is age...and "The Google" still appreciates age. But when starting from scratch I've personally seen no difference. Existing domains tend to rank higher simply because they are existing domains, and existing domains tend to be .com, .net, or .org because other options didn't...um exist (not really, anyway).

As far as loosing customers because they are going to type .com by default...really? People don't type in domains...they click links and they search. If you disagree, I'm happy to compete against you and sacrifice the small amount of "typed" traffic you might gain in exchange for a much more niche tailored domain name.

And finally, while .com, .net, and .org might carry weight among internet marketers; I contend the average user either doesn't care what suffix his domain is wearing or may even prefer .info (feels less like he/she is being sold something).

Anyway, those are my thoughts...for what they're worth.

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alexgold87

14 years ago

Get .com or die - this is my philosophy.

I've just checked - there are tons of good domains for relevant keywords. Just this out of the bowl. This is another big problem of new IM's: they try to jump in already taken niches and micro niches. But what about other products? Maybe they are not that popular as weight loss, but hey - they still have good demand! And just ask yourself - what kind of product is not listed in TOP-50 best sellers? When you will get it - you will find as many available .com domains as you want.

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Jill Carpenter

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SpacedInvader

As far as loosing customers because they are going to type .com by default...really? People don't type in domains...they click links and they search.

They do type in domains. They do both.

I have actually watched a commercial on TV, went to type in "dot com" only to have to search and realize it was a "dot org" I wanted.

I'm sure I was not alone.

I'll agree there is a lot of traffic directed through links, but I think you are underestimating type in traffic greatly.

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SpacedInvader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

They do type in domains. They do both.

I have actually watched a commercial on TV, went to type in "dot com" only to have to search and realize it was a "dot org" I wanted.

I'm sure I was not alone.

I'll agree there is a lot of traffic directed through links, but I think you are underestimating type in traffic greatly.

Not underestimated...probably overstated.

But in my world they don't type in domains. I don't advertise on television, print, or radio. All my traffic comes from click links and search engines. So, I overstated...but not in my world.

And like I said, I'll gladly give that traffic to someone else in order to have a better keyword match in my domain name...even if it has info stamped on he end.

Good point though; thanks for calling me out on it.

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TishaZaphirise

14 years ago

number 1 is .com
number 2 is .org
number 3 is .net

other ekstension is a lot harder to rank for. Better to avoid them

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TishaZaphirise

other ekstension is a lot harder to rank for. Better to avoid them

This is wrong, as explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6125370
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Michael_Le

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TishaZaphirise

number 1 is .com
number 2 is .org
number 3 is .net

other ekstension is a lot harder to rank for. Better to avoid them

stop spreading false information. this is exactly the reason why noobs fail. this has been discussed before.

go to google.....

type in spain
type in pr checker

notice the TLD?

just sick to death of hearing people talk about the same subject as if they're a guru but havent a clue what they on about.

I CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE THAT I CAN RANK A .INFO HIGHER THAN YOUR .COM FOR THE SAME KEYWORD............

ANY TAKERS?

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mojojuju 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

I CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE THAT I CAN RANK A .INFO HIGHER THAN YOUR .COM FOR THE SAME KEYWORD............

ANY TAKERS?

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED - I CHALLENGE YOU TO RANK YOUR .INFO DOMAIN AGAINST MY .COM DOMAIN FOR THE FOLLOWING QUERY:

site:.com

I'M PUMPED AND READY TO DO THIS, SUCKA!!!
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optionstrader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael_Le

stop spreading false information. this is exactly the reason why noobs fail. this has been discussed before.

go to google.....

type in spain
type in pr checker

notice the TLD?

Might have something to do with spain.info and prchecker.info being informational websites, not keyword exploitative niche websites plastered with tacky royalty free images and filled to the gills with amazon and clickbank links

Another example: 'charles bronson' - .info outranks .com

Unless you have a valid reason (above), don't shoot yourself in the foot before the race has even begun, com net org, in that order even if it means picking lower volume keywords, better to get some clicks than none at all!

EDIT: charles-bronson.com appears to outrank charlesbronson.info with google.com/ncr, I was going via google.com.au. Apologies, nevertheless other similar examples exist

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freak7

14 years ago

I don't think there is much difference. But i prefer com, net, org then co,info...

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JessicaAutumn

14 years ago

My next option is .NET if .COM is not available.

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sanwacik

14 years ago

.com is and always will be king in my opinion. It looks more professional and people have a tendency to trust a .com site before the others.
.org comes in second and .net third.

If you're creative enough - you can find a .com domain just for you.

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JamesCx

14 years ago

Depends how you want your site to be visited. If you rely on word-of-mouth, .com is the only way forward and with minimal dashes. If you're only bothered with search engines, a lot of TLD's can rank well with proper SEO strategies.

However, if there is a well optimised .com with your keyword at #1 - I probably wouldn't waste my time.

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Brendan Carl

14 years ago

Originally Posted by larry1113

.com <-- big boy
.net .info .whatever <-- losers (I wouldn't bother)

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not...

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brendan Carl

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not...

Call me a pessimist, but I decided he probably wasn't.

There've been enough people in enough similar threads on this subject who genuinely believe stuff like that that, you know? I don't mind their believing it (especially if they're my competitors! ) but I do find pretty puzzling their apparently extravagant enthusiasm for trying to persuade innocent bystanders that something so bizarre, and so widely and repeatedly contradicted by Google and by countless other authorities with knowledge and experience, can actually be so ...
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jakecoop79

14 years ago

I prefer to get the .com when I can, but in my experience I can rank a .info, .org, .net just as easily.

I focus on what I want the domain name to be, and not as worried about the extension.

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mrelk159

14 years ago

I definitely think .com is better then all the other ones but .net and .org is ok but the rest I rarely use for my sites.

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ultimuw45

14 years ago

Opting for other presumably available extensions would lessen demand for '.com' and with time, induce supply and the situation would normalize ultimately.

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mollymarkiewicz

14 years ago

.com is still the top recommending extension to use in google, if .com is not available use .net or .org. Reconsider the domain name to the the proper .com name you need for your niche.

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kviv23

14 years ago

first .com then .net and then .org. period.

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