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So Anyone Know How to Build a REAL "Private" Blog Network?

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In the aftermath of the whole BMR takedown thing, I was wondering if anyone can direct me to a resource which talks about how you can build a "real" private network....and make it affordable.

I'm talking about a complete, step-by-step guide to how to buy the domain names, integrate the hosting, and get the content distributed out to the various blogs in a manner that allows them to not go cold.

It seems like a really high-ticket item. I'm guessing $200 p/month in hosting and thousands p/year in domain name registration costs.

I'm not seeing how it's feasible for the little guy who is trying to rank little sites and get to the point where he's making $4,000 - $5,000 p/month.
#blog #build #network #private #real
  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
    Most of the step-by-step guides that you're referring to cost a bit of money. But I think you're overcomplicating it a bit.

    You can build your network as big as you want. If you only have the budget to purchase 10 pr3's that is completely fine. Those 10 pr-domains will be more than powerful enough to rank low-mid competition terms.

    As for content distribution. This is one of the biggest myths of maintaining a network. You really don't need to pump them with a ton of content. The link juice on the homepage will be the same regardless of how many indexed pages you create. Updating your blog is important for rankings. But it really isn't significant when it comes to link juice or page rank backlinking.

    I would say it's important to know how to recognize 'fake pr'

    to do this, you take the domain you're considering say www(dot)highprdomain(dot)com and you place it in to google with the info: command

    for ex.

    info:www(dot)highprdomain(dot)com

    Now take a look at the first result. If the url showing in the first result doesn't match the url you are checking, then the PR is being faked through a url redirect.

    hope that helps you get started anyways.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Can anyone explain the process of setting up a purchased domain? I heard many lose their PR if you do it wrong, and not because it's fake in the first place but just by setting it up in the wrong way.

      Anyone?

      I've also read at another forum that there are more sophisticated ways to fake PR without being able to see it with the info: command in Google.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Can anyone explain the process of setting up a purchased domain? I heard many lose their PR if you do it wrong, and not because it's fake in the first place but just by setting it up in the wrong way.

        Anyone?

        I've also read at another forum that there are more sophisticated ways to fake PR without being able to see it with the info: command in Google.
        Setting up Whois domain privacy is an absolute must. Terry Kyle claimed that was the biggest reason for a domain losing it's pr. Google considers a change of ownership as a fresh new start.

        As for faking pr. The more sophisticated way of faking PR has only come out very recently. Chances are you will be fine if you follow the :info command rule.

        That being said, it's ALWAYS important to do a backlink analysis of the domain you're checking out. A high pr domain without any existing backlinks is next to worthless. Because it will lose it's PR in the next update.

        As long as the PR isn't faked, you set up WHOIS privacy, and the domain has HIGH PR backlinks pointing to it. Then you probably have a quality domain on your hands.
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      • Profile picture of the author UpzeeDotCom
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Can anyone explain the process of setting up a purchased domain? I heard many lose their PR if you do it wrong, and not because it's fake in the first place but just by setting it up in the wrong way.

        Anyone?

        I've also read at another forum that there are more sophisticated ways to fake PR without being able to see it with the info: command in Google.
        I assume you mean setting up a dropped domain and not a fresh reg. The main thing you want to do is setup privacy on the whois information and try to build a site as soon as possible, preferably replicating the old site, but anything will do. It's luck of the draw most of the time, some dropped domains will reset the registration date while others keep their original registration date.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Can anyone explain the process of setting up a purchased domain? I heard many lose their PR if you do it wrong, and not because it's fake in the first place but just by setting it up in the wrong way.

        Anyone?
        Make sure you set it up exactly as the links it is receiving are setup. Same www. or without it (or have your redirection setup) and make sure the pages are the same. Theres no mystery to it. When you get a domain set it up immediately.

        As Co2 indicated get privacy on it as well (however not having it is not the number one reason domains lose PR - losing links is)
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Make sure you set it up exactly as the links it is receiving are setup. Same www. or without it (or have your redirection setup) and make sure the pages are the same. Theres no mystery to it. When you get a domain set it up immediately.

          As Co2 indicated get privacy on it as well (however not having it is not the number one reason domains lose PR - losing links is)
          With make sure the pages are the same, do you mean we have to restore the old content or is making use of the exact same urls for innerpages sufficient?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            With make sure the pages are the same, do you mean we have to restore the old content or is making use of the exact same urls for innerpages sufficient?
            Same urls. You do not have to duplicate the content. If you do that you could end up in some legal problems plus you may tick off the old owner enough to make sure other webmasters remove their links.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Same urls. You do not have to duplicate the content. If you do that you could end up in some legal problems plus you may tick off the old owner enough to make sure other webmasters remove their links.
              Exactly what I was afraid of indeed when restoring the old content. Plus that it would mess up the whole new purpose of the site. Thanks for clarifying.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Can anyone explain the process of setting up a purchased domain? I heard many lose their PR if you do it wrong, and not because it's fake in the first place but just by setting it up in the wrong way.

        Anyone?

        I've also read at another forum that there are more sophisticated ways to fake PR without being able to see it with the info: command in Google.
        I think your correct that a info:domain won't catch all fake PR pages.

        I've found Index pages that checked ok with a info:domain search on Google, but I'm 99.99% sure they were faking the PR. So I don't think the info: search is fool proof way to identify fake PR.

        Someone posted a site/link on this forum a while back, it was some crappy blog that had a PR9 or something similar, I just remember that it was obvious that they were faking PR, again their info:domain search checked out ok, I still think it was fake.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I think your correct that a info:domain won't catch all fake PR pages.

          I've found Index pages that checked ok with a info:domain search on Google, but I'm 99.99% sure they were faking the PR. So I don't think the info: search is fool proof way to identify fake PR.

          Someone posted a site/link on this forum a while back, it was some crappy blog that had a PR9 or something similar, I just remember that it was obvious that they were faking PR, again their info:domain search checked out ok, I still think it was fake.
          Indeed, I also know other ways to fake PR, actually then it's not even fake but it's not real either, just checkout danofurniture.com and you'll see it is PR5, with one single PR6 link from Youtube (I commented on many PR7 PR8 channels + Videos to get that). Although the PR is real it doesn't give any value whatsoever.

          I could easily setup 100 channels and get 100 domains to PR5 and all sell them for $100 a pop (and hide it by blasting some other type of links to it like high PR blogcomments on spammed pages) so that made me think that purchasing PR is a lot more risky then it seems at first glance.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I could easily setup 100 channels and get 100 domains to PR5 and all sell them for $100 a pop (and hide it by blasting some other type of links to it like high PR blogcomments on spammed pages) so that made me think that purchasing PR is a lot more risky then it seems at first glance.
            No one who knows what they are doing buys domains based on PR. They buy them based on what they see in the backlinks pointing at the domain. A fake PR should never get anyone by itself but unfortunately alot of people don't know what they are doing and there has even been some WSOs that tried to cash in on building networks where the seller doesn't have a clue what he is doing either.

            As a matter of fact there are times when you SHOULD buy a "faked" domain (a term that implies something that is not always true - a redirect is not always used to "fake") and run away smiling because of the backlinks that are pointing to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              You absolutely got a strong point there indeed, fake isn't always fake indeed cause of the other links.

              Awesome thread guys, thanks to everyone jumping in!
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            • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
              Lol, I got burned bya few PR domains when I first started. Other then when I was domain scouting for ALN, I think it's always best to look at the real value of the site rather then just buying based on some arbitrary number. Th value of most sites is going to be in the content. When I bought all these PR auto-blogs and thin sites it was more of a shot in the dark.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by RyanLB View Post

                Lol, I got burned bya few PR domains when I first started. Other then when I was domain scouting for ALN, I think it's always best to look at the real value of the site rather then just buying based on some arbitrary number. Th value of most sites is going to be in the content. When I bought all these PR auto-blogs and thin sites it was more of a shot in the dark.
                For building your own network, I would never buy a high PR site based on the content. I'm going to scrap it anyhow, unless it happens to relate to my niche. You will pay a lot higher price for a domain with good content. Waste of money.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by RyanLB View Post

                Lol, I got burned bya few PR domains when I first started. Other then when I was domain scouting for ALN, I think it's always best to look at the real value of the site rather then just buying based on some arbitrary number. .
                The real value of a domain for a network is its links. If you want content then get a writer and/or a designer/coder
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                • Profile picture of the author Legit SEO
                  The method I've been considering is buying about 4 different host plans and setting up 3-5 high PR blogs on each account. But when you factor in time/money/possible de-indexing I don't even want to bother with it.
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                  • Profile picture of the author The Expert
                    With the 30-site mini-network idea, how does that work out if you only have 1 main site to promote? I know a lot of people have a lot of sites around small niche keywords so when looking at those 30 sites, there would be a fair number of links going to different places.

                    If you have only one site though, and all 30 of the sites in the blog link to different inner pages on that one site, it would seem suspicious. Do you just start throwing PR away and start pointing the links at "authority" sites? Or do you start stacking the sites in a pyramid formation so not all of them point to the money site but all the link juice flows to the money site?
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

                      With the 30-site mini-network idea, how does that work out if you only have 1 main site to promote? I know a lot of people have a lot of sites around small niche keywords so when looking at those 30 sites, there would be a fair number of links going to different places.

                      If you have only one site though, and all 30 of the sites in the blog link to different inner pages on that one site, it would seem suspicious. Do you just start throwing PR away and start pointing the links at "authority" sites? Or do you start stacking the sites in a pyramid formation so not all of them point to the money site but all the link juice flows to the money site?
                      If you have only 1 outbound link you get a lot more juice then when you have a ton of outbound links, if you find it suspicious I would not start linking to authority sites but instead you could chose to sell a few links. You can easily charge $5/month for a single PR3 link when you have only like 5 OBL's. Sites like Textlinkbrokers ask a LOT more.

                      Actually if you have only 1 site to rank it would probably be cheaper to just rent 30 homepage links, instead of having to pay 30 hostings, domains and what not.
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                      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        If you have only 1 outbound link you get a lot more juice then when you have a ton of outbound links, if you find it suspicious I would not start linking to authority sites but instead you could chose to sell a few links. You can easily charge $5/month for a single PR3 link when you have only like 5 OBL's. Sites like Textlinkbrokers ask a LOT more.

                        Actually if you have only 1 site to rank it would probably be cheaper to just rent 30 homepage links, instead of having to pay 30 hostings, domains and what not.
                        That totally makes sense. Where would I rent 30 homepage links? And how much would that cost.

                        Also...it's so weird that you mentioned Text Broker because they just contacted me the other day out of the to put a link on my airsoft site. It was a PR1 site and they paid $50 for the year. I've not put a new piece of content on that site in over a year...so it was like free money.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

                          That totally makes sense. Where would I rent 30 homepage links? And how much would that cost.

                          Also...it's so weird that you mentioned Text Broker because they just contacted me the other day out of the to put a link on my airsoft site. It was a PR1 site and they paid $50 for the year. I've not put a new piece of content on that site in over a year...so it was like free money.
                          Well, honestly it's harder then I just said to get a good PR3 link on a site with low OBL's.

                          Some options:

                          - Textlinkbrokers where pay $15 or $30/month for PR3 link (max 10 OBL)
                          - High PR network where you pay $1/link on a page with 100 OBL
                          - High PR society where you pay $3.75 for PR3 on page with 30 OBL
                          - The for sale section here where you get a blogcomment while you think you'll get a homepage link lol
                          - Some other private networks of warriors that mostly contain 100 OBL's

                          High PR society would be your best shot as 30 OBL is still reasonable for the price, another option is to send me a pm to get links at REAL sites which are comparable to Textlinkbrokers. I am invited to a private network that is never mentioned on any IM forum. Earlier I offered it but got comments that I was talking out of my *ss so I removed it again. I can send you a few sites as example if you like. I am the one who charges $5/month for a PR3 link, thats why I mentioned $5 in the first place as I think that's a reasonable price.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

                      With the 30-site mini-network idea, how does that work out if you only have 1 main site to promote? I know a lot of people have a lot of sites around small niche keywords so when looking at those 30 sites, there would be a fair number of links going to different places.

                      If you have only one site though, and all 30 of the sites in the blog link to different inner pages on that one site, it would seem suspicious. Do you just start throwing PR away and start pointing the links at "authority" sites? Or do you start stacking the sites in a pyramid formation so not all of them point to the money site but all the link juice flows to the money site?

                      You are thinking too much like a BMR style public network.

                      First of all, not every post in a good private network has an outgoing link. There's no need, plus it makes it look more like a real site. I do link blending where I'll have links out to other related content. So for example, if I am building a network site that I intend to promote a rehab center, I might have a post that links out to an article in WebMD about rehabbing after Tommy John surgery or something like that. I can put that in the same post that links to the site I am promoting or a separate post. I like to have the links inside the same post, but you can do it either way.

                      You also do not have to make that many posts. You are not trying to rank these sites. If you only have one site to promote, 3-5 posts on each of your network sites with 1-2 posts containing links would be sufficient. Again, this isn't like a BMR network where you are making posts constantly. There is no need to do that.
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                      • Profile picture of the author dogstar
                        I am curious as to how viable such a small self built private net would be now and the future...because of G targeting BMR and related businesses, are all such structures, even though they are on a much smaller, less frequent scale, vulnerable?
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            • Profile picture of the author cjgrego
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              No one who knows what they are doing buys domains based on PR. They buy them based on what they see in the backlinks pointing at the domain. A fake PR should never get anyone by itself but unfortunately alot of people don't know what they are doing and there has even been some WSOs that tried to cash in on building networks where the seller doesn't have a clue what he is doing either.

              As a matter of fact there are times when you SHOULD buy a "faked" domain (a term that implies something that is not always true - a redirect is not always used to "fake") and run away smiling because of the backlinks that are pointing to it.
              Mike PM me. I don't post much so haven't met the 15 required posts to PM someone. I'll discuss more directly with you.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by cjgrego View Post

                Mike PM me. I don't post much so haven't met the 15 required posts to PM someone. I'll discuss more directly with you.
                Sent. Won't be around much for the next few days so sent you my email address.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by co2 View Post

      You can build your network as big as you want. If you only have the budget to purchase 10 pr3's that is completely fine. Those 10 pr-domains will be more than powerful enough to rank low-mid competition terms.
      I've seen less cause people to bounce to first page

      but Yep common misconception I get from people all the time. They think that if they are not talking about BMR numbers then they won't rank. Remember you were sharing BMRs numbers with thousands of people, your links were sliding off the pages with PR in less than a day or two and you had no control of placement of the links. All of that does not apply to your own network.

      I'll obviously disagree with how expensive you say this kind of training is (mine or otherwise). With the price of even PR3s you could end up buying two domains you should not have )because you didn't know better) and toast that cash.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


        I'll obviously disagree with how expensive you say this kind of training is (mine or otherwise). With the price of even PR3s you could end up buying two domains you should not have )because you didn't know better) and toast that cash.
        I never said that the training was expensive. Just that it costs a "bit of money." But I agree with you. Learning how to build a network is WORTH THE MONEY.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by co2 View Post

          I never said that the training was expensive. Just that it costs a "bit of money."
          I got you.
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  • Profile picture of the author UpzeeDotCom
    I was going to make a long post and then I saw co2 basically said exactly what I was going to say. I'd just mention that even more important than getting PR3+ domains is getting relevant domains. I'd rather a relevant site with PR0 over a site that has PR3 in a random non-relevant niche. The other thing is if you're buying domains for PR, then the info: search isn't enough.

    Take for example: Your Real Estate Review

    Spend a little bit of time analyzing the backlinks and making sure they make sense enough to support the PR that's showing.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    I am actually releasing a WSO on this in the next few days plus a lot more stuff like how to build a huge free Web 2.0 blog network and get PR/link juice running through that, how to get unlimited unique content for your posts and how to setup really powerful link building campaigns. Shoot me a PM if you're interested and i'll make sure you get it at the reduced price.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      I am actually releasing a WSO on this in the next few days plus a lot more stuff like how to build a huge free Web 2.0 blog network and get PR/link juice running through that, how to get unlimited unique content for your posts and how to setup really powerful link building campaigns. Shoot me a PM if you're interested and i'll make sure you get it at the reduced price.
      I'll apply for a free review copy

      Just kidding, gonna send you a PM, I've been thinking and even started a thread about setting up a network of free web2.0's so like to learn more about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    It is very difficult and takes a lot of time. To get an idea of what it will require, just look at the costs associated with buying all of the different IPs, the hosting, all of the domains, etc. I have my own mini-network, but I am trying to build them all into very quality sites to make it worth my time in the long run. For a newer SEO person, it is probably not going to be worth the risk to build the network and spend so much money on it. If you have some money to throw around though, then maybe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
    One last tip for ya....

    1. Go to this website

    2. Enter the url of the domain your considering

    3. Check how many times the domain was dropped.

    As a rule of thumb, it's best to avoid domains that were previously dropped. But one drop is usually ok. Any more than one drop, and there's a good chance the domain will lose it's PR in the transfer.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by co2 View Post

      One last tip for ya....

      1. Go to this website

      2. Enter the url of the domain your considering

      3. Check how many times the domain was dropped.

      As a rule of thumb, it's best to avoid domains that were previously dropped. But one drop is usually ok. Any more than one drop, and there's a good chance the domain will lose it's PR in the transfer.
      I just checked it for my own domain and this is what I get, do these numbers 14 and 4 have anything to do with previous owners ( I am 100% sure no one owned that domain before me):

      We have 14 historical records for myuniquedomainx.nl. The oldest record dates back more than 1 year. There are at least 4 significant changes. All of the records publish domain name ownership data.

      Furthermore it says: 14 records have been archived since 2011-02-28

      28-02-2011 is the date I registered it myself btw.

      SEO score: 94%, I'm doing something good
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I just checked it for my own domain and this is what I get, do these numbers 14 and 4 have anything to do with previous owners ( I am 100% sure no one owned that domain before me):

        We have 14 historical records for myuniquedomainx.nl. The oldest record dates back more than 1 year. There are at least 4 significant changes. All of the records publish domain name ownership data.

        Furthermore it says: 14 records have been archived since 2011-02-28

        28-02-2011 is the date I registered it myself btw.
        yep. And it never mentions that the domain has been dropped. THat's what you should be looking for. If it doesn't mention a drop, then you're all good.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Yeah, I have bought a few fake PR 5 domains off of GoDaddy Auctions because their backlinks looked good. Ended up being PR 3's and 4's, that I got at less than $30 a piece, including privacy.

    So sometimes it is worthwhile to look at a domain even if the PR is faked. Now if these were for sale for normal PR 5 prices, I would have ran away.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Yeah, I have bought a few fake PR 5 domains off of GoDaddy Auctions because their backlinks looked good. Ended up being PR 3's and 4's, that I got at less than $30 a piece, including privacy.

      It always amazws me how many people are out there in the IM world that are trying to screw people. The scam artists are just so prevalent you just can't be too careful.

      Maybe I am just naive. But I have no idea how someone would fake PR. Until I read about it a while back, I never thought about it, so would have been ripe for being cheated. Probably still am for that matter, but at least I know it can happen now.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        It always amazws me how many people are out there in the IM world that are trying to screw people. The scam artists are just so prevalent you just can't be too careful.
        Well let me clear the air because sometimes people get the wrong idea. If you are going after expiring domains say at godaddy they really are most of the time not being "faked".

        What has happened is that a company lets say warrior forums was also using say bestIMforum.com and most of the links was coming to that URl and being redirected to Warriorforum.com

        Perfectly legit

        but if the domain Warriorforum then expires and comes up for auction it will show say a PR5 but most of its links are really going to bestIMforum.com and its being redirected to Warriorforum.com. You buy warriorforum.com and could even land up with a Goose egg or a PR1

        So many times its not really cheating or faking. the redirect was done for good reasons nothing to do with faking but now one of the domains has expired.
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  • Profile picture of the author rafiseo
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    Well I have another question regarding PBN. As google's upcoming ALGO update is going to penalize a page using multiple keywords(I think they are going to penalize pages which are providing many dofollow OBL with different keywords, as this seems unnatural) so do you think PBNs will be lucrative decision for SEO?

    Would you love love to build an expensive network to promote only 3 or 4 websites?
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Creating a blog network cost loads of time and money. And it's almost impossible to to create just by yourself. If you want to go on with this plan I suggest you should find JV partners. This will minimize the workload and costs spend on your end and there will be still a decent return on investment for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

      Creating a blog network cost loads of time and money. And it's almost impossible to to create just by yourself.

      This is completely false. Again, you are also thinking of some huge network like BMR.

      To build your own small private network does not cost loads of time or money. You don't need tons of sites to rank in most niches. Hell, in some easier niches, 4-5 good links off a private network will put you in the top 3.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        This is completely false. Again, you are also thinking of some huge network like BMR.

        To build your own small private network does not cost loads of time or money. You don't need tons of sites to rank in most niches. Hell, in some easier niches, 4-5 good links off a private network will put you in the top 3.
        Mike what kind of niches are you thinking about that 4-5 links will put you in the top 3, a 3000 exact match search keyword or "mickymouse town water plumber" style kw's? You can tell me a lot but many sites won't reach the top3 with just 4-5 links.
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          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Mike what kind of niches are you thinking about that 4-5 links will put you in the top 3, a 3000 exact match search keyword or "mickymouse town water plumber" style kw's? You can tell me a lot but many sites won't reach the top3 with just 4-5 links.
          Sorry Nik Mike knows what he is talking about. We both have dropped PR3s on pages that were on page four and seen them back on to page 1. Mike is not saying that those are the only links but that those are the only good links. the sites I helped people correct after panda last year had the usual - articles, some blog comments, a smattering of profiles. They were stuck and just giving them a couple PR3s gave them a SIGNIFICANT bounce.

          You guys can go on believing only in the power of great numbers but the problem with your reasoning is you don't do all the maths. lets say for a round number BMR had a thousand domains - fine - powerful you say? SOrry not so quick

          First divide it by say 50 links on each page. Ok...there is some debate as to whether the links are divided very much below a certain number so Lets say the first 20 don't dilute the link power much and use just 30 in our calculations

          1,000 divided by 30 - round it at 34

          but hold on thousands of people are posting each day rolling you off the Pr pages whatever residual juice you are getting is being divided by all those links piling up each day so lets track that link on the home page. how long is it there? 2 days? out of the month?

          so we would have to divide that 34 by 15 (average month 30 days divided by 2)

          whats that 2.3? BMR had 5.000? =11.5 10.000 = just 23

          Now can some take issue with some of these numbers - sure. Its VERY rough- but any way you slice it - a few links that stay on the home page and are not divided up by a bunch of people using is worth hundreds more than those that roll off the PR page and are divided to oblivion.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sorry Nik Mike knows what he is talking about. We both have dropped PR3s on pages that were on page four and seen them back on to page 1. Mike is not saying that those are the only links but that those are the only good links. the sites I helped people correct after panda last year had the usual - articles, some blog comments, a smattering of profiles. They were stuck and just giving them a couple PR3s gave them a SIGNIFICANT bounce.

            You guys can go on believing only in the power of great numbers but the problem with your reasoning is you don't do all the maths. lets say for a round number BMR had a thousand domains - fine - powerful you say? SOrry not so quick

            First divide it by say 50 links on each page. Ok...there is some debate as to whether the links are divided very much below a certain number so Lets say the first 20 don't dilute the link power much and use just 30 in our calculations

            1,000 divided by 30 - round it at 34

            but hold on thousands of people are posting each day rolling you off the Pr pages whatever residual juice you are getting is being divided by all those links piling up each day so lets track that link on the home page. how long is it there? 2 days? out of the month?

            so we would have to divide that 34 by 15 (average month 30 days divided by 2)

            whats that 2.3? BMR had 5.000? =11.5 10.000 = just 23

            Now can some take issue with some of these numbers - sure. Its VERY rough- but any way you slice it - a few links that stay on the home page and are not divided up by a bunch of people using is worth hundreds more than those that roll off the PR page and are divided to oblivion.
            Don't get me wrong, I make use of homepage links as well for certain clients, one of them just left a review in my sales thread and went from page 4 or 5 to #5 now. In his review he wrote #7 I think but today he moved up 2 other spots for a not to hard keyword (not to easy either, lets say the keyword was a one word pretty popular name of an IM product), he didn't have any other links at all btw (as in before I started on his site, I did some other links as well that take a bit longer to get noticed by Google) and I got him 9 homepage links with a few PR2 in it, the others were PR3 and 1 or 2 PR4's. Those links come from real sites and have max 10 outbound links, at some he is the only outbound link.

            So to say that 4-5 links push you to the top3 (and I assumed no other links at all) is a bit over the top unless its an easier keyword then I'm assuming here, like the typical 3 word keywords.

            Ps: You don't have to explain me the math, without these links it would have taken longer to get him to #5, I expect it would have taken around 2-3 months, now it was done within 1.5 week, but those homepage links have a fixed price ofcourse. All in one I still don't know whats cheaper or more effective in the long term, maintaining the rankings with constant article distribution or replacing it with homepage links, both cost money.

            I'm quite a fan of homepage links though. When you keep distributing 100's of articles each month it starts to appear pretty spammy over time. So what I mostly recommend to clients is start with packages, build up the ranks, and once we are almost there switch to homepage links to give that extra boost to the top and put article distribution and other types of links at a low maintenance level.
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      • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        This is completely false. Again, you are also thinking of some huge network like BMR.

        To build your own small private network does not cost loads of time or money. You don't need tons of sites to rank in most niches. Hell, in some easier niches, 4-5 good links off a private network will put you in the top 3.
        I agree with you. And I was indeed thinking big as I thought that was what the OP meant.
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  • Profile picture of the author piermichel
    Here is how to buil a private blog network. Chose your topic that you want your private blog network, register your domain name where you will publish your blog. Write good quality to to that blognetwork to get started. Invite some very selective well-known writers to publish relevant topic post on your private blog networks. You might want to check youtube for some free video tutorial on how to do it by using some automated autoposting software which sometimes the quality of the contents are not so good. Make sure if you are using this private blog network for you money site, you do not post to many spammy link in there, do some link variation and make it seems all natural. and keep growing your blog network by adding more relevant content to boost your search engine ranking.
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      Originally Posted by rafiseo View Post

      Well I have another question regarding PBN. As google's upcoming ALGO update is going to penalize a page using multiple keywords(I think they are going to penalize pages which are providing many dofollow OBL with different keywords, as this seems unnatural) so do you think PBNs will be lucrative decision for SEO?

      Would you love love to build an expensive network to promote only 3 or 4 websites?
      Originally Posted by dogstar View Post

      I am curious as to how viable such a small self built private net would be now and the future...because of G targeting BMR and related businesses, are all such structures, even though they are on a much smaller, less frequent scale, vulnerable?
      See guys like previous posters have said you are thinking too much like "BMR". When you have your own private network you can make these sites look more like real websites. When all you are doing is promoting your own money sites you don't need to spam these things to death. Also since you have the option to keep your links on the high PR pages rather then rolling off you also don't need a ton of blogs. Ive found better results from 10 homepage posts on my own network then I did with about 70 from BMR.

      Also keep in mind with your own network once you start building links to your posts you are further building up your network sites making them all around stronger in the future. I was a huge fan of BMR and ALN and felt they were more cost effective but things have drastically changed lately.
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  • Profile picture of the author fahimk123
    really interesting as the blog network(free accounts one) have lost the importance due to Google new algorithm so one should create own blog network if have the $ but yup i would be really giving boost in terms of SEO to a website
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  • Profile picture of the author piinc
    Does anyone have any positive experiences with outsourcing the setup of a PBN?

    What to look for, etc? Do these firewall sites have to have high PR? I'm only focusing on 2 established sites currently.

    Any recommendations welcome.
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  • Profile picture of the author brownsuggar
    How important is it to hide your whois information when building a private blog network? I've got mine built and doing well, but with the recent hits from Google's new algo, I'm worried I'm going to be taken down.
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    love how private networks seem to be the next mainstream thing
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    • Profile picture of the author mamadou
      interesting post , Thanks everybody for the great info.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

      love how private networks seem to be the next mainstream thing

      I expect to see all kinds of variations and innovations on the concept of networks. Hope to come up with more of my own. In context links are the ticket
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