Authority Link Network has just closed its doors!

josephseeley 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hlatky

What is the source of this information?

Email sent out to those who have accounts.
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sitywyde

14 years ago

Hey guys..they aren't closing shop, just backing up a few steps..and getting rid of possible snitches..that's my opinion..and I think its a wise move..

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josephseeley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sitywyde

Hey guys..they aren't closing shop, just backing up a few steps..and getting rid of possible snitches..that's my opinion..and I think its a wise move..

Yah, it's something they had to do. Though it does suck for anyone who signed up recently and is a valid user. Imagine all the BMR refugees who moved to ALN... now being sent packing again!

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by josephseeley

it does suck for anyone who signed up recently and is a valid user

Without my repeating the whole of Big Mike's post just above (#37), please excuse the observation that it's (at best) pretty debatable whether such services have any "valid" uses at all ... and yes, many people have been saying that for years.

In a forum full of people apparently determined to build businesses that rely on Google for their primary traffic, it may be a pretty unpopular perspective when there there are so many people here selling/promoting them, but buying cheap backlinking services is not the answer.

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josephseeley

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Without my repeating the whole of Big Mike's post just above (#37), please excuse the observation that it's (at best) pretty debatable whether such services have any "valid" uses at all ... and yes, many people have been saying that for years.

In a forum full of people apparently determined to build businesses that rely on Google for their primary traffic, it may be a pretty unpopular perspective when there there are so many people here selling/promoting them, but buying cheap backlinking services is not the answer.

Nothing is the answer forever. There's a lot of money that has been made ranking in Google and other search engines. Search engines love links. My competitors are going to build links. Of course I will too.

It's just the way the game is set up. The winners are the one who play the game best. Which doesn't necessarily mean building as many links as you can, but doing so in a way that works and is hard to spot.

I have 100 websites right now. I build links to all of them. Guest blogging, guest blogging networks, link exchanges, social networks, bookmarks, press releases, blog networks, hand built 2.0s, satellite sites, wikis, profiles, comments, documents, videos... you name it I build it. Probably even get some organic links in there too! But all else equal (site quality), the person who just relies on organic links is going to get slaughtered by the person who builds links intelligently on top of the organic links.

Cheap backlink networks definitely still have their place. (The funny thing is, the cheapest ones are in many cases the ones still surviving. It's the expensive, high-profile networks that got axed.)

I've used cheap backlink networks on every site I own (100 or so right now). I received 2 unnatural link messages. One was just because it was a brand new site that the only link building I had done was a single ALN submission to test the service (which I dropped because of it's terrible footprint). The other, I just took over management for and am not terribly familiar with how it's been backlinked.

I would be insane to just drop the whole model. I've gained tons of rankings and tripled my income in the last 2 weeks. SEO is not dead, building links isn't dead either ... not even cheap backlink networks are dead ... it's just more important now to do it right, obfuscate (and vary between sites) your backlink profile as much as possible. Something I've always done.

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Gregory Campbell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sitywyde

Hey guys..they aren't closing shop, just backing up a few steps..and getting rid of possible snitches..that's my opinion..and I think its a wise move..

That's what BMR said at first...then they shut up shop!
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infolicious

14 years ago

Here are :

Hi,

Due to the recent google de-indexing problem,
we have made some changes in ALN 2.0 to help
lowering the current de-indexing rate, however
it was not enough.

We have come to another solution, which is to
close the new member registration and to close
down all ALN user's accounts which have been
registered in the last 3 months.

We will refund every single transaction for the
users which got affected by this change, here's
how to get your refund:

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humili

14 years ago

Sounds like a major overhall!

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Gregory Campbell 14 years ago

Originally Posted by humili

Sounds like a major overhall!

Blog networks are well and truly dead guys! As always its a cat and mouse game with Google and this time Google scored the tick.
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Gerald Arno

Banned 14 years ago

While a lot of big high PR networks shut their engines down, private networks still exist and work.

The most money resides in using high PR blog posts with the right strategy.

It definitely is not a long term approach anymore, and I doubt that it was a long term approach before.

Using high PR blog posts works best when it comes to flipping websites.

Create websites, backlink to them, and flip them after 2-3 months. Strategy is everything.

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MrKeh 14 years ago

Yeah I couldnt see it being too long before the big G outsmarted these blog networks. This is why I think relying on micro niche sites getting first page rankings is probably not the best goal for long-term income.
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fluffythewondercat 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeraldGigerl

Create websites, backlink to them, and flip them after 2-3 months.

And then remove the links?

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NetworkCorridor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeraldGigerl

While a lot of big high PR networks shut their engines down, private networks still exist and work.

The most money resides in using high PR blog posts with the right strategy.

It definitely is not a long term approach anymore, and I doubt that it was a long term approach before.

Using high PR blog posts works best when it comes to flipping websites.

Create websites, backlink to them, and flip them after 2-3 months. Strategy is everything.

Honesty and moral just flew out the window, making money doing something you know is not honest is an expensive journey.

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JeremiahSay

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gregory Campbell

Many SEO firms are running for cover...from clients!!

That's so TRUE.. It's really happening!

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CBusiness

14 years ago

dont get why people are surprised

LOL so much information is public for Google to read and not like u can even stop them from paying $100 bucks to join a private forum.

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Vusal

14 years ago

I haven't received any email from them yet,

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Black Hat Cat

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gregory Campbell

Many SEO firms are running for cover...from clients!!

Making a post I made a month or so ago in response to someone saying there's no risk in having seo clients....quite prophetic.

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xdrange

14 years ago

I was thinking about purchasing Linkvana's link building service, now I should seriously give it a second thought. Anyone would suggest me staying away from these blog networks? Thanks.

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HarrisonHill

14 years ago

Stupid. I signed up 2 months ago and had 3 high PR domains in there which weren't deindexed. I'm pretty sure there were many members in there like me. Do you really think that Google employees signed up for ALN in the last 3 months? LOL. They were tracking you from the start. With this step you just lost lots of high pr domains and lots of still indexed blogs in your network. What can I say, just stupid.

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FredJones

14 years ago

Yes, they have closed doors.

The point is that, pretty much all the blog network owners are freaking out. There's a great reason: they earn a lot from these networks and they mean to protect themselves from any potential slap. Is that not a reasonable thought? It surely is.

Place yourself in their shoes and you shall realize why this makes sense. Try to think of another possible solution that could protect your back and feel free to propose that to the blog network owners, or make your own blog network using those methods.

By the way, this does not mean that blog networks have lost their power beyond whatever's deindexed already. No way. The network owners are doing this to ensure that whatever power their blog network owns remains intact and can be possibly grown.

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daisy172 14 years ago

They've lost a lot of sites. About a month ago they had about 23,000 sites. About 5000 got deindexed, then when BMR shut, lots of people with sites in the network that weren't deindexed simply pulled them out. I understand they were down to 10,000 sites a week ago, and who knows how many got pulled since then.

There's no way to run a network if you don't have a decent number of sites that you can post stuff to.
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FredJones

14 years ago

I know perfectly well what I am talking about. By the way, I have ALN, I use it often and yes I know I am going to lose links.

I also can make a very good guess why they chose to go this way. Why don't you place yourself in the shoes of the network owner and try to figure out? It takes a moment of obvious reasoning to do it, although ALN didn't mention it anywhere.

Hints for you. When did the networks start getting deindexed? What is the comparison of uniqueness ratio between a given pair of BMR articles and a given pair of ALN articles? Do you think Big-G caught BMR automatically but could not catch a LOT of the spam networks automatically (read, using algorithms)?

If that does not set off a lightbulb then nothing will. So I can make out why Maulana chose to go this way. It hurts a lot of us but in the long term it is one of the better moves he could have taken for his ALN business.

I'm not saying it is an ideal solution - these are problems that cannot be ever solved - it is just that how much can you protect yourself. ALN is trying to do that, and so are a LOT of other blog networks.

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

you have no idea what you talking about.
they should have kicked blogs with default themes/same ip/huge footprints
but no,that is too much workinstead they suspend all accounts that is registered in the last 3 months lol
if you used aln you site will fall down in the next week for sure as hundreds of people with thousands of blogs deleting the posts

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

No,you missing my point.Networks should be keept clean all the time,they did not care about this untill the last few weeks,they only cared about taking the payments.A lots of users paid in the last 1-2-3 days their monthly fee,and today they are suspended,with NO emails sent out in advance.Is this the way you do business?Take the money and suspend the accounts?Lots of raging going on about this on other forums,some even call it fraud.How many blogs do you have in ALN?many people with 100+ blogs got suspended,and they are now deleting YOUR paid links,because they are pissed-off.So ALN is pretty much dead from today.

They are refunding all members who enrolled in the last three months though, so I don't see how this is a "take the money and run" kind of deal.

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FredJones

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

No,you missing my point.Networks should be keept clean all the time,they did not care about this untill the last few weeks,they only cared about taking the payments.

Agree at this point - but isn't it true for almost all the networks that are not owned by a single point of ownership? Why blame ALN for this all of a suddden, and blame none else that are still following the same practice? This has been the state of the practice till now. Where were the voices till that point? And if they had chosen to be quiet, why blame purely the blog network owners now? All of us (including me) have been happy accepting this part of the truth. So why not accept the rest of the truth as well?

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

How many blogs do you have in ALN?many people with 100+ blogs got suspended,and they are now deleting YOUR paid links,because they are pissed-off.So ALN is pretty much dead from today.

I know they are deleting MY PAID links. I did acknowledge that when in my previous post I said that I know I am probably going to lose links because of this. How about quietly accepting the reality? Every business owner like us need to understand that every action that we take has a risk and a return factor associated. How about facing the consequences with a cool brain rather than with all shouts and cries when risk didn't lead to the huge gains but rather turned sour?

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BIG Mike Banned 14 years ago

It's interesting to see the shock and surprise at the thought of blog networks shutting down. They existed for one purpose - to generate revenue by helping web site owners skew SERPS for better rankings. There is always a risk involved in doing these sorts of things and they often only have relatively short-term benefits.

I'm not saying that out of any sense of white hat purity - the fact is that anytime a gray/black hat method like blog networks becomes popular and especially if it's overly saturated, Google focuses on shutting them down.

I've seen this happen with dozens of systems over the past ten years...mainly because they end up being cookie cutter methods that are easy to track and identify. The worst thing any web site owner could do is jump on board simply because the longer the method has been used, the greater the risk of being shut down and suffering the long-term negative effects of it.

Blog networks are only one item on a larger list of SEO methods that Google will be shutting down over the next year.

Ironically, in most cases, with a bit of patience, you can take a web site and get it ranking on page one without resorting to anything Google would deem inappropriate. But, because there's there's no short-term benefit to it, most folks won't take the time and effort to do it properly.
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- FredJones 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BIG Mike
  
  There is always a risk involved in doing these sorts of things
  
  Precisely so. Anyone who doesn't acknowledge this risk is either blind or a child.
  
  By submitting to these networks, one is taking a known risk (don't tell your mommy didn't teach it when you were young) and well, you go up with them and go down with them too.
  
  So while sending an emaill and then shutting down versus shutting down and then sending emails is a different matter, but in the bigger scheme of things, it is the risk-return factor that would matter. And obviously, as something grows in size and returns, it grows in risks too. Some of these networks are such examples.
  
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  Originally Posted by FredJones
  
  So while sending an emaill and then shutting down versus shutting down and then sending emails is a different matter
  
  They should be happy they got an email at all - I've seen/been a member of a lot of systems that disappeared over the years with no warning and no email.
  
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gearmonkey

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

you have no idea what you talking about.
they should have kicked blogs with default themes/same ip/huge footprints
but no,that is too much workinstead they suspend all accounts that is registered in the last 3 months lol
if you used aln you site will fall down in the next week for sure as hundreds of people with thousands of blogs deleting the posts

This is pretty much spot on. We already know how Google is tracking these networks, it through carelessness and laziness and could have easily been prevented. They sealed their own fate when they didn't enforce quality control.

These low quality and careless blog networks should close their doors.

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cssitkt 14 years ago

I think Mike A is right - blog networks are not totally dead. I know of a few networks still running and ranking sites effectively. In fact I tested one a couple of weeks back and ranked 3 middling competitive keywords on page one of google with less than 50 backlinks; whether the rankings stay is another matter.

The networks that are dead appear to be either high profile and/or lazy.
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Unisons

14 years ago

I was almost intending to purchase a few blogs to setup ALN, well it seems like it is fortunate I didn't.

Are there actually other blog networks that are still open and has actually dared to say that they took the necessary precautions to prevent such incidents from happening to them?

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HarrisonHill

14 years ago

One more thing Maulana, why posts are still being distributed on my sites which were in suspended accounts? If you suspended my account, kindly don't create posts on my domains. Of course I will change password and remove posts, but you should remove blogs from your network by yourself and don't create new posts there.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

To whoever said that blog networks are all about strategy - build websites, use networks to rank them quickly then flip the site.

What a **** strategy. Selling websites that you almost certainly know are going to lose rankings AND revenue in the future. Really? Take some pride in what you do and provide/sell good products - whether it be services, websites, content...

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NetworkCorridor

14 years ago

Yes it is True and BMR was the first I saw it happen to. All of their pages are getting un indexed.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Gregory Campbell

The era of blog networks is over....next

Correction: the era of wide open public rental networks is over.

Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

Making a post I made a month or so ago in response to someone saying there's no risk in having seo clients....quite prophetic.

Prophecy fulfilled for whom? There is no risk in having SEO clients unless you pimp out those clients work to third party link builders. So the risk is there only if you are a co SEo and don't use your own resources. While people are running around saying networks are dead there are countless serps where they are doing find and dandy - however you can't get spots on them being sold by Imers to other Imers for $67 a month. Public Rental networks ARE dead.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

I always find it funny when someone post an SEO thread in the main forum, the responses are always random.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MarketerMastermind

surprised by the level of ignorance here,this is not about seo techniques,this is providing service to your customers,no real marketer will take him/them seriously
i know you try to defeat your butt buddy here but they just lost 90% of their customers with this move and only will make money from now on with their ****ty rehash wsos

Somebody sounds a little butthurt.

Originally Posted by yukon

I always find it funny when someone post an SEO thread in the main forum, the responses are always random.

We like to talk, doesn't mean we like to talk about things we know. Where's the fun in that?

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I always find it funny when someone post an SEO thread in the main forum, the responses are always random.

and repetitious. We get the usual SEO is not the way to go crowd in the beginning before the threads get transferred here like no one is making money except those who do other kinds of marketing.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and repetitious. We get the usual SEO is not the way to go crowd in the beginning before the threads get transferred here like no one is making money except those who do other kinds of marketing.

Exactly!

If OPs would pay attention & post in the correct forum from the start, they wouldn't have to deal with the SEO naysayers.

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dp40oz

14 years ago

Authority Link Network was the best 2nd tier link building imaginable. Im sad to see it go.

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Natlex 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Authority Link Network was the best 2nd tier link building imaginable. Im sad to see it go.

Ya it was too good to be true... Almost took no time to post content on the network and pretty good ranking results for the time investment.
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- InternetMillions 14 years ago
  
  Screw them.
  
  I woke up to about 100% of my blogs being de-indexed.
  
  Edit - I guess Mulana gave Google a CSV of the sites in their network for some sort of 'deal'. If that's true the owner is a complete moron.
  
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Mike Burngasser 14 years ago

Way to go ALN. Get rid of that Google cancer!

Google has been going around, signing up for the biggest link networks, posting links, then tracking those back to their sites.

Do you really think Google can program an algorithm that just magically finds link farms? Even with THOUSANDS of different blog owners, themes, content styles, front page OBL, etc....

Google didn't use their magic powers of algorithm to root out ALN or BMR. They didn't spend millions of man hours sifting through manual reviews of links. They are too smart for that crap.

They joined the big link networks, placed links like the rest of us, then used their crawler to back trace those links and deindex the sites.

Now ALN is doing the only intelligent thing they can do:
1. Removing potential Google Moles by taking out people who joined in the past 3 months
2. Making resellers and ALN service providers label their service as a "Private Network". Essentially taking ALN underground.

Good for you Maulana. Keep up the great work, and don't let Google get to you.

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tsgeric

14 years ago

too bad about ALN, I was just about to join a couple of weeks ago and decided to hold off to see if it was affected by all the indexing.

For those who think ALN is just taking a step back, in another WF thread Maulana said outright that he expects ALN blogs to continue to be de-indexed over time.

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djlest 14 years ago

amazing how you are all shocked that ALN BMR closed its doors.

sure i also used a few networks but i knew they would get tanked soon

Its like people assume that talking freely about SEO Networks, paid links, and even offering services on the WF is somehow private to Google, and google are just to big to care or ever read them.

Its like building a castle out of gold, then leaving your doors open and shouting from the turrets look at us everyone, we have gold duh!

In the old days blog networks were PRIVATE
you dont go shouting about them on WF
you get invited into one, and you keep your mouth shut
For those that heavily marketed BMR or ALN on google to Kick googles butt lol

then i can tell you know, they knew it was a short time affair. And if they didn't they were very stupid.

A little extra boot is great from a network, but seriously only 10% of your link portfolio should ever be one tactic!
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14 years ago

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spoiledkid01

14 years ago

I did not received any email yet but its is saying YOUR ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED while trying to log in.

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Kevin McNally

14 years ago

No doubt there will be more networks hit soon, if you are using this startegy you shouldn't really rely on it for your main source of income for this reason. Don't send links to your best money sites or simply have a lot of them and various linking methods so you are not hit as hard. I use many backlinking services but I am aware it's at your own risk as they are skewing rankings so no point complaining when they get busted.

Whether you agree with BMR network or not, I think they handled the situation pretty well when the doors closed although this should be the norm anyway.

Bottom line..... Rely on google for your traffic is risky ( I am as guilty as the rest of us..)

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RevSEO

14 years ago

What I love is that people think that this will have any effect on the long term implications on ALN. Newsflash people, this won't make any difference at all. If they think Google's "infiltrated" their network, you can bet they've had an account for a hell of a lot longer than 3-months. Google's a huge corporation. Corporations take a long time to make decisions and implement strategies. Google's known about ALN for a long, long time, and attempting to lock-down the service like this won't do anything.

Google has more than enough data on the network to know how to find the rest of the network. Smoke and mirrors is all this is. Its decisions like these that make me question those managing ALN.

Having said that, for those people crying that SEO is over, blog networks are done, do you need any more proof that they work? If linkbuilding methods like this DIDN'T work, then Google could care less about deindexing these services. The fact is networks like these DO work. Want to know the future of these type of services? They'll be driven farther down the rabbit whole, and less publicly advertised. They'll implement tactics to help keep things private. If you need a service like this one, don't look for one that's heavily advertised. Find the smaller, less known services.

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MarQueteer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RevSEO

Having said that, for those people crying that SEO is over, blog networks are done, do you need any more proof that they work? If linkbuilding methods like this DIDN'T work, then Google could care less about deindexing these services. The fact is networks like these DO work.

Exactly, if services like ALN and BMR are able to get enough attention from Google for some well planned, direct and manual action, this basically means they worked too well.

The fact that manual action was taken also shows that it's a "problem" the algorithm can't handle so far, including spun content. Not true? You can even use automatically spun content for adsense sites and get away with it for years...

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orpaz191

14 years ago

Small private blog networks still work.

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StevenJones 14 years ago

Originally Posted by orpaz191

Small private blog networks still work.

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Michael Coudriet

14 years ago

It was only a matter of time before Google kills the ranking benefits of most bot/autogenerated links. It's time for the hats of SEOs to get a bit whiter. Our sites have only with the recent changes. This is partially due to the de-indexing of the links of competitor sites.

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markthedoc

14 years ago

I got kicked out as well and I had 2x PR4 sites. I literally missed the cut off period by 2 days! Ah well, I just need to decide what to do with these 2x PR4 websites now.

Thanks

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