Building link pyramids

13 years ago

People use link pyramids for a lot of different reasons. Personally, I use them to promote my top tier links which directly drive traffic such as videos, PDF's, and a few Web 2.0 sites. That way I can have multiple SERP listings on the first page which all eventually lead to my money site or squeeze pages.

If you are only thinking about using them for indexing, then a link pyramid is probably overkill.

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rankwatch

Banned 13 years ago

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rankwatch

Lin Pyramid is a beneficial technique if done in proper way.
In bottom layer do not post your target web page. It is a layer of low quality links.
In mid layer put your domain portfolio and link it with upper layer and base layer but never link your whole network like in link wheel.
On top layer place high quality link and your domain.

I know what it is.I suspect none of the people replying are trying to answer the question and maybe building up post counts.

In my question I an reasoning it logically and asking why does it work , if your using low quality spammy links? pointing to more spammy links pointing to good links then your money site.

So what we have is spam->spam->Good->Money site
This doesnt seem effective .

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seenathkumar

13 years ago

Link pyramids and other techniques like link wheel can lead to unnatural warning to your website which will lead to de-ranking of your website, so if you wan to get indexed then their is many other technique of link building like social book marking, article submission etc. The most important point is to build quality one way back link which will help your website to get index.

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

thank you for your answers, but I want to know is it worth it and whats the point? Because if one wants to create this so called powerful link system, but teir 3 links are spammy links that worth nothing, which then points to tier 2 which is another set of spam links pointing to tier 1 which is the quality links and hard to find pointing to your money site.If the foundation is weak , there is no real power to be expected.This is just my logical way of thinking so is it right? how do the pyramids work if I am wrong?

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shashank

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CBTSHARE

thank you for your answers, but I want to know is it worth it and whats the point? Because if one wants to create this so called powerful link system, but teir 3 links are spammy links that worth nothing, which then points to tier 2 which is another set of spam links pointing to tier 1 which is the quality links and hard to find pointing to your money site.If the foundation is weak , there is no real power to be expected.This is just my logical way of thinking so is it right? how do the pyramids work if I am wrong?

I feel if your links are not being indexed by Google, then may be you should build a few backlinks on those tier 1. But, one should not over do it. Maybe bookmarking the tier 1 urls or creating a RSS feed of tier 1 backlink urls and submitting to just a few rss directories should be sufficient enough....

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pentawebexperts

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seenathkumar

Link pyramids and other techniques like link wheel can lead to unnatural warning to your website which will lead to de-ranking of your website, so if you wan to get indexed then their is many other technique of link building like social book marking, article submission etc. The most important point is to build quality one way back link which will help your website to get index.

In my opinion link wheeling is not a threat to derail the rankings. As i have seen a lot of seo experts are indulged in link wheel strategies and they got good results.

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Stevemartin619

13 years ago

Link Pyramid is simple process to make thousands of blog and add fresh post with backlinks...Its repeated process

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sharonhurley

Banned 13 years ago

Link Pyramids one of The Great Wonders of the Web. It works on the premise that the lowest quality sites link upwards to the next higher quality sites in your network.

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Vija

13 years ago

It is used to protect your site against low quality backlinks.

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Rukshan

13 years ago

Try to build quality tier 1 links with high PR web 2.0 and wiki properties. Then point many backlinks to them. This is a working trick to build quality backlinks to money site. You can add images, videos and unique content to tier 1 links.

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jinx1221

13 years ago

You're right in your reasoning, but then in your case I wouldn't do:

spam->spam->Good->Money site

I would do quality on all tiers, and consider 'spammy' as being blog comment, etc.. mass produced links to those properties. So do:

spam->Good->Good->Money site
or
spam->Good->Better->Best->Money site

Originally these web20 properties were considered 'buffer sites' that protect your main site from getting deindexed or penalized by receiving spammy links.. so you create quality (web20) links to your main site, then if your properties get deleted, you're main site is protected. It still works that way, just that you are also receiving an added benefit of 'link juice' trickling down to your main site as well. These 'spammy' links are just to beef up your properties. Does that make sense?

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

yes thank you for your answer.I guess I wanna know why use spammy links? What good does it do?

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jinx1221

13 years ago

Because if you use spammy links to your main site, you risk that getting the 'no-no' notice from google, and getting deindexed. If your web20 sites get deindexed, well, who cares, just set up more. Spammy links, like a bazillion blog comments, etc, can increase the power of your web20 sites. You dont need to use spammy links, though, as web20's are pretty strong as is.

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

Oh, so thats what I was looking for, it increases the power of links? How does a million spammy links increase the power of the links it points to?

100,000 spam links-> web20 links->good links->money site

I cant see how that logic works.opposed to

10good links ->good links ->money site

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Pedro Ferreira 13 years ago

I personally don't go over 2 tiers, but that's just me.

spam > good links > money site

I completely stay away from any kind of spam links directly at my site though.
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jinx1221

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CBTSHARE

Oh, so thats what I was looking for, it increases the power of links? How does a million spammy links increase the power of the links it points to?

100,000 spam links-> web20 links->good links->money site

I cant see how that logic works.opposed to

10good links ->good links ->money site

You got it basically. Yeah, 100,000 spam links about equals 10 good links, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting about the same. For those 100,000 spammy links, you would use an automation software. 10 good links and web20 sites can be done by hand. Why do people prefer to do 100,000 spammy automated links versus 10 hand made ones? It's easier to do.. and part laziness.

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

You got it basically. Yeah, 100,000 spam links about equals 10 good links, so no matter how you look at it, you're getting about the same. For those 100,000 spammy links, you would use an automation software. 10 good links and web20 sites can be done by hand. Why do people prefer to do 100,000 spammy automated links versus 10 hand made ones? It's easier to do.. and part laziness.

lol oh ok, thank you, but then the question is, why build link pyramids? you can just point the 10 good links to your money site along with the 10 webs2.0 to you money site.I dont get it, why build a pyramid.?

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goosefrabah

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CBTSHARE

lol oh ok, thank you, but then the question is, why build link pyramids? you can just point the 10 good links to your money site along with the 10 webs2.0 to you money site.I dont get it, why build a pyramid.?

I think the idea is that you control the 2.0 so 10 good links to it will be one strong link to your site. You can build a 2.0 send 1000 links to it and if it gets deindexed who cares. This is just my opinion. Also what is the definition of a good 2.0 link? Article, a PR1+, Wiki? It's all so confusing lol

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johnes4th

13 years ago

Originally Posted by CBTSHARE

lol oh ok, thank you, but then the question is, why build link pyramids? you can just point the 10 good links to your money site along with the 10 webs2.0 to you money site.I dont get it, why build a pyramid.?

The goal behind link pyramids is to strengthen those 10 or 20 good links that are already pointing back to your money site.

The double edged sword is that many (not all) automation tools don't create high quality links - but they can create a ton of them. Since the quality of the links are low, you may not want to point them directly to your money site.

At the same time, low quality links can still be beneficial - especially considering how easy they are to create in a high volume with automation tools.

A link pyramid attempts to solve this dilemma by using the 10 or 20 quality links as buffers. That way your quality links get a boost, which means that your money site will get a boost. At the same time, your money site is protected from having a link profile that includes thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of low quality links.

You gain some benefit from low quality links, while still protecting your money site.

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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

Originally Posted by johnes4th

The goal behind link pyramids is to strengthen those 10 or 20 good links that are already pointing back to your money site.

The double edged sword is that many (not all) automation tools don't create high quality links - but they can create a ton of them. Since the quality of the links are low, you may not want to point them directly to your money site.

At the same time, low quality links can still be beneficial - especially considering how easy they are to create in a high volume with automation tools.

A link pyramid attempts to solve this dilemma by using the 10 or 20 quality links as buffers. That way your quality links get a boost, which means that your money site will get a boost. At the same time, your money site is protected from having a link profile that includes thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of low quality links.

You gain some benefit from low quality links, while still protecting your money site.

Ok, thank you.I guess by "strengthening" you mean there is power in numbers, those numbers can be used to point to your money site so(fear of getting deindexed), you point the numbers to a site pointing to your money site.(buffer as you call it).hmm.Ok

Thank you

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johnes4th 13 years ago

Exactly. Your top tier is a quality game whereas your lower tiers are a numbers game.
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CBTSHARE

13 years ago

Oh ok, but I guess you still have to be careful right? Because I have a couple .gov links to my money site , so I don't wanna blast 200k links to the gov links and get them de indexed either, is there a specific amount that will get it de-indexed?

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johnes4th 13 years ago

There isn't really a hard limit in terms of volume... plus, one thing about 2nd and 3rd tier links is that some of them won't ever get indexed in the first place (which is why they get built in volume). For me, I expect an average of 30%-50% to never get indexed.

Additionally, Google won't see all of the links at once - so if you blast 200k links then it could take Google months to actually find all of them. I have done blasts and not seen a single link get indexed for more than a week and the last few links didn't get indexed for more than 9 months (not including the ones which never got indexed at all). As a result, Google won't see all 200k pop up in a day - rather they will see those links trickle in over an extended period of time.

If only 50% of your 200K blast gets indexed over a 9 month period, then that would be an average of 11,111 links per month or 370 per day - which really isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things considering how many new links/pages total that search engines will add to their index in a day.

Plus, the link won't get singled out and de-indexed, the entire page that the link is on will be (which is the purpose of using buffer sites in the first place). The more authority a page has, the harder it will be to get it de-indexed because search engines assume that high authority pages will inevitably get more links.

If a .gov or .edu page does get de-indexed, you can simply go to another page on that site and get a new link. If one of your Web 2.0 pages get de-indexed, you can simply start another one. Essentially, they become disposable sites/pages.
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OliverBurrell

13 years ago

If you create an article on a web 2.0 property you can get a high PR from it passing a lot of "link juice" to your money site and but not necessarily. This only happens if you build some strong links towards the web 2.0 article. The potential power of the web 2.0 property "gets activated" by pointing links towards it. In other words you need to see every website as a pyramid. At the top usually you have the highest PR (the most importance). If this page now links to lower levels then some of the link power to the lower level pages gets passed on. If now external pages link towards it it gains in importance. If there are no links it will only pass weak link power. Therefore a page accumulates "link juice" the more links (internal and external) point towards it.

You are right in assuming that spammy links don't pass much link juice and it is better to build a pyramid with a solid link foundation. Maybe it is a little quicker to build spammy links but it is surely not a long term strategy because G will be able to detect all of that very soon

and will devalue it. Every major G update devalued more of the spammy links. So, I don't think it is a worthwhile strategy.

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blazingseobobm

13 years ago

Link pyramid basically consists of multi tiers.
The first tier should be contains high pr links, like web2.0 properties i.e wordpress,tumblr etc
The second tiers should also be contains quality links, like wikis,forum profiles
The third tier contains spam links
You can build your own multi tiers link pyramid.
Basically the purpose of the 2nd, 3rd, 4th.... tiers is to give the authority to the other tiers links which will result in the boosting of serp ranking. These tiers also helps to indexed other tiers links
I hope you have now understand that what is the purpose of the other tiers of link pyramid

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