Creating my Private Blog Network

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Hello,
I need your help guys, if possible

Im creating my own blog network, consisting of :
4 Hosting Accounts (Currently only 1 on Godaddy, need cheaper hosting options for the 3 remaining) to ensure 4 different Class C IPs

Each hosting account will consist of 3-5 websites (1 Forex, 1 Gaming, 1 Health, and 1 undecided yet)

I am buying Expired domains (PR2+) with decent amount of Backlinks on them

Another question, to retain a PR2+ domain, I am creating additional links to the domain + Writing 20-30 unique blog posts, how long should these posts be? and is this count enough?

Now I am supposed to have around 20 PR2+ blogs, serving 4 different niches.

All domains are Private.

Any suggestions are MORE than welcome, Im really interested.
#blog #blog network #creating #network #private
  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Are you doing this for SEO purposes? If so it might be easier to just pay for a membership at a much bigger blog network that you can benefit from way more than a small network.
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    • Profile picture of the author auditt05
      Larg Blog Networks are being de-indexed pretty fast
      To compensate for costs paid, I will sell some links on blogrolls, not decided yet.

      This is the only Blog Network I could trust. MINE !!!
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      • Profile picture of the author niceguy36
        I also thought the last week about creating my own blog network. As already stated, the big ones get de-indexed pretty fast, therefore I wouldn't spend a dime on paying for such networks, as long as everybody has access to it...

        I would also love to hear some suggestions on that topic. I wonder if the 4 different hosting accounts are enough? I thought about a maximum of 2-3 domains per IP, but that would make it pretty expensive (I would target to get around 100 blogs).

        Does anybody have experience with that?

        best regards,
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Originally Posted by auditt05 View Post

        Larg Blog Networks are being de-indexed pretty fast
        To compensate for costs paid, I will sell some links on blogrolls, not decided yet.

        This is the only Blog Network I could trust. MINE !!!
        Forgive me but may I ask what makes you think your network will go undetected by Google and allow you to successfully game their algorithm while the big boys, with years of experience and know how, get de indexed?
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        • Profile picture of the author SuppaDave21
          Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

          Forgive me but may I ask what makes you think your network will go undetected by Google and allow you to successfully game their algorithm while the big boys, with years of experience and know how, get de indexed?
          Well if he's only using the links for his own use and not selling them then he has a good chance of staying out of google's eyes.
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          • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
            Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

            Forgive me but may I ask what makes you think your network will go undetected by Google and allow you to successfully game their algorithm while the big boys, with years of experience and know how, get de indexed?

            Originally Posted by I webs design View Post

            Well if he's only using the links for his own use and not selling them then he has a good chance of staying out of google's eyes.
            True... that and if he implements other "under the radar" methods in
            setting them up and managing them.

            Bottom line, if you create and manage all the blogs in your "private"
            network as authority blogs, not blogs specifically set up to rank your
            sites, they will survive. Even if Google manually reviews them, they
            should be able to pass the manual review. The blogs should have a
            good reason to exist beyond just linking to other sites.

            In other words:
            • Consider setting most of them up to look as professional as you can
            • Consider using different hosting for most of them, beyond just seo hosting
            • Consider using 100% unique articles for most of them, rather than spun articles
            • Consider having some monetization on most of the blogs (obviously not adsense!)
            • Consider ONLY linking most back to sites that are related/relevant to content of the blogs
            • Consider drastically cutting down on the number of Outbound Links on most or all of the blogs
            • ETC

            None of my MANY truly "private" blogs network were hit by Google in
            all the deindexing frenzy going on
            . And from my communication with
            others who have such truly "private" blogs' networks, neither were theirs. So,
            the issue is not PR Blog networks getting deindexed, the real issue is
            "public" and "abused" PR Blog networks. And they should - Google got tired
            of the obvious "public" and "open" manipulation of their algorithm and had to
            get some scapegoats... especially the ones that made it so easy to be got.

            So, OP, go ahead and set up your own truly "private" blog network and
            you will get great results, but just be careful to do the right things when
            setting them up and managing them.

            I hope some of the tips in here help, .

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            • Profile picture of the author jficarro
              Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

              [*]Consider having some monetization on most of the blogs (obviously not adsense!)
              Why not adsense?

              I'm wanting to do this too. It seems that the big problem with other blog networks is that they:

              are not on a single topic
              have really horrible re-spun articles
              every post/article is has outbound links

              So, I think what the OP and myself are talking about is creating a network that consists of as many niches as we can afford and manage, making them real sites with unique and relevant articles, having many articles that have NO outbound links, all "clusters" on different IP's with privately registered domains.

              Obviously an ambitious, costly, and time consuming venture. But it should work. Additionally, I don't see how it would violate any TOS. We are talking about real sites that offer real value, but because they are isolated from each other, they can serve for SEO purposes.

              Any comments on that?

              And if anyone has a cost effective suggestion for hosting where there would be no foot print and the costs would be reasonable, it would be appreciated.

              The OP mentioned getting a different hosting service for each "cluster", which seems like it would work (except the fact that it would be suspicious that they all have the same niches - maybe I'm paranoid?) But, if there were a way to have a reseller account that had truly different IP addresses for each account? would that work?

              Sorry for the length of my post, but I am on the same track as the OP and would love to see this thread provide some answers. Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
                Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                Why not adsense?
                Because if you are using adsense on your money sites and the
                same adsense on these blogs, that's a dead giveaway,

                As for your other questions - that's exactly the way forward
                with private blog networks nowadays - set them up as real
                sites with great articles and all the works, then subtly use
                them for your SEO,

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                • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                  Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

                  Because if you are using adsense on your money sites and the
                  same adsense on these blogs, that's a dead giveaway,

                  As for your other questions - that's exactly the way forward
                  with private blog networks nowadays - set them up as real
                  sites with great articles and all the works, the subtly use
                  them for your SEO,

                  Kingsley
                  Thanks, I realized that after I posted. I don't like to say too much about it, but I use real registered businesses which should fulfill the TOS about having multiple accounts. But still, I can see where it's HUGE foot print (even if you're careful)

                  Thanks though for the input.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                    Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                    Thanks, I realized that after I posted. I don't like to say too much about it, but I use real registered businesses which should fulfill the TOS about having multiple accounts. But still, I can see where it's HUGE foot print (even if you're careful)

                    Thanks though for the input.
                    I don't understand the point of all this extra work and super-stealth BS. Is your main website really this crappy that you need an elaborate blog network to prop it up?

                    I'd consider spending the same money, time, and resources on making a much better primary website and promoting it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                      I don't understand the point of all this extra work and super-stealth BS. Is your main website really this crappy that you need an elaborate blog network to prop it up?

                      I'd consider spending the same money, time, and resources on making a much better primary website and promoting it.
                      This probably doesn't warrant an answer. But, I'll bight.

                      Of course my sites are awesome (most of them anyway). They have original content that is useful to readers. I have a loyal following on many of the sights. But ranking in the search engines is obviously important to our income - right.

                      Do you think that you can rank for competitive keywords by having a super blog or site? Good luck with that :rolleyes:
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                      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                        Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                        This probably doesn't warrant an answer. But, I'll bight.

                        Of course my sites are awesome (most of them anyway). They have original content that is useful to readers. I have a loyal following on many of the sights. But ranking in the search engines is obviously important to our income - right.

                        Do you think that you can rank for competitive keywords by having a super blog or site? Good luck with that :rolleyes:
                        Good for you for 'bighting'

                        Yes, I believe anyone can rank for competitive keywords if they have a strategy. I don't believe setting up some chintzy blog network is that strategy. The technique is getting very outdated quickly.

                        I'm sure your 'sights' are AWE INSPIRING! I'm just trying to warn you against using last year's strategy this year.

                        The same money you spend on building backlinks and implementing a 'blog network' can be better served implementing a new strategy. There are so many different channels to market your business, why obsess over what is quickly becoming the worst way to do business online?

                        PS: I know you'll ignore my advice but I figured I'd put it out there anyway.
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                        • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                          Not only will I NOT ignore it, I'll ask you to PM me. I'd love to know. I use a variety of methods to rank - not just strong links. But some of my sights tanked (for the same reason as everyone) and some went to the top. The ones that moved up have one thing in common. All the links to the sight (the ones that show in majestic or ahrefs are from relevant blogs/sights with the same topic. That's why I want to create my own relevant blogs/sights on the same topic, with as little or no foot print as possible. Because it works (at least when it comes from other peoples sites).

                          So, instead of arguing - I am sincerely inviting you to contact me to discuss how we can all survive during this Google nightmare. I'm serious. PM me.

                          Regards

                          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                          Good for you for 'bighting'

                          Yes, I believe anyone can rank for competitive keywords if they have a strategy. I don't believe setting up some chintzy blog network is that strategy. The technique is getting very outdated quickly.

                          I'm sure your 'sights' are AWE INSPIRING! I'm just trying to warn you against using last year's strategy this year.

                          The same money you spend on building backlinks and implementing a 'blog network' can be better served implementing a new strategy. There are so many different channels to market your business, why obsess over what is quickly becoming the worst way to do business online?

                          PS: I know you'll ignore my advice but I figured I'd put it out there anyway.
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                          • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                            Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                            Not only will I NOT ignore it, I'll ask you to PM me. I'd love to know. I use a variety of methods to rank - not just strong links. But some of my sights tanked (for the same reason as everyone) and some went to the top. The ones that moved up have one thing in common. All the links to the sight (the ones that show in majestic or ahrefs are from relevant blogs/sights with the same topic. That's why I want to create my own relevant blogs/sights on the same topic, with as little or no foot print as possible. Because it works (at least when it comes from other peoples sites).

                            So, instead of arguing - I am sincerely inviting you to contact me to discuss how we can all survive during this Google nightmare. I'm serious. PM me.

                            Regards
                            No problem man If you're serious about the blog network idea (and it sounds like you are) hit up Mike Anthony. That's his whole bread and butter.

                            If you're careful with the setup and don't over do it, I'm sure you can use this to this to your advantage.

                            Personally, I'd stay away from specific SEO hosting. I'd focus on blogs on shared hosting at multiple diverse providers. I'd try and buy a few decent PR domains (PR3,4,5) if available. If you keep it niche, it will probably work. The only fear I have is that Google is going to reduce the impact blog links have one day. If that happens, you'll see a big drop again.

                            I'd also like to point out that I've never hidden the Whois on my domains (or anything else for that matter) and links from my own sites still boost rankings.

                            Any way, good luck on whatever you choose to do. No matter what, you have to keep moving and fighting!
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                            • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                              Agreed.

                              I just read your blog post "backlink tips after Google Penguin" and it's good. And that's really what I'm trying to do. I know it's a LOT of work, but I can monetize the sites anyway.

                              Like I said, the sites that actually went up on the day of Penguin were linked from real sites that were relevant and simply gave a link. I'm just wanting to create that - I don't even think it's "gaming" because each site will be real and quality (and monetized in their own way). The only "gaming" part is attempting to hide that they belong to the same person.

                              Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                              No problem man If you're serious about the blog network idea (and it sounds like you are) hit up Mike Anthony. That's his whole bread and butter.

                              If you're careful with the setup and don't over do it, I'm sure you can use this to this to your advantage.

                              Personally, I'd stay away from specific SEO hosting. I'd focus on blogs on shared hosting at multiple diverse providers. I'd try and buy a few decent PR domains (PR3,4,5) if available. If you keep it niche, it will probably work. The only fear I have is that Google is going to reduce the impact blog links have one day. If that happens, you'll see a big drop again.

                              I'd also like to point out that I've never hidden the Whois on my domains (or anything else for that matter) and links from my own sites still boost rankings.

                              Any way, good luck on whatever you choose to do. No matter what, you have to keep moving and fighting!
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                              • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                                Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                                Agreed.

                                I just read your blog post "backlink tips after Google Penguin" and it's good. And that's really what I'm trying to do. I know it's a LOT of work, but I can monetize the sites anyway.

                                Like I said, the sites that actually went up on the day of Penguin were linked from real sites that were relevant and simply gave a link. I'm just wanting to create that - I don't even think it's "gaming" because each site will be real and quality (and monetized in their own way). The only "gaming" part is attempting to hide that they belong to the same person.
                                Thanks for stopping by and reading Believe me, I understand the desire to game Google. The main thing to do is make sure your 'blog network' websites don't have a bunch of links in common. Private whois and varied IP address ranges are a good idea. One thing that you stated earlier that I think is true is that the websites should show some form of monetization.

                                One of the things that always seemed ridiculous about BMR was how they had the blogs set up. Imagine endless blogs with no comments, no social, and NO ADS! Who sets up blogs like that? Real blogs are about monetization. Plus, they need to have some social presence in order to even be considered good by Google.

                                The best way to do this: make them 'real websites.' Then you have links from real websites linking in, which has to be a good thing.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                          Good for you for 'bighting'

                          Yes, I believe anyone can rank for competitive keywords if they have a strategy. I don't believe setting up some chintzy blog network is that strategy. The technique is getting very outdated quickly.
                          Unless you are now claiming SEO is dead or that links don't matter at all in a SEO strategy your point makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If you set up a blog network it might chintzy but that doesn't mean that everyone that sets one up is doing it the way you would. Despite all the craziness going on in this forum sites still rank by content and still LINKS.

                          I'm sure your 'sights' are AWE INSPIRING! I'm just trying to warn you against using last year's strategy this year.
                          Umm Pull out spyglass go to some competitive serps, check the sites that are ranking and tell me again how having high authority in context links is last years strategies. Want to bet you won't find high authority PR links? You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and its post like this that have just junked up this forum over the last few weeks. Totally bogus information. Last years strategy was renting spots on networks that were spinning out garbage content with hundreds of links per page with hundreds of customers that could walk off the street and get access to your domains. Comparing that to owning your own network is like claiming because four wheel gocarts can't get you very far people should just give up on all modes of transport with four wheels

                          The same money you spend on building backlinks and implementing a 'blog network' can be better served implementing a new strategy. There are so many different channels to market your business, why obsess over what is quickly becoming the worst way to do business online?
                          Whats the worse way to do business online? SEO? LOL. another SEO dead tirade masquerading in sheeps clothing. It may be the worse way for you to do business but last time I checked there are still ten results on the first page of most results and ton loads of sites making people money.

                          You know the strange thing. When I am not doing doing research on some obscure keyword and just using google for general search its the weirdest thing. I am still finding the same sites I use to find before.
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                      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
                        WarriorKay, or anyone else, in post #13 above, you say to "consider using different hosting for most of them, beyond just SEO hosting."

                        I would appreciate it if you would translate this for totally non-techies, (me, for instance) who don't understand the difference between the two hosting types you are referring to.

                        Thanks!

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                        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                          Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

                          WarriorKay, or anyone else, in post #13 above, you say to "consider using different hosting for most of them, beyond just SEO hosting."

                          I would appreciate it if you would translate this for totally non-techies, (me, for instance) who don't understand the difference between the two hosting types you are referring to.

                          Thanks!

                          Catherine
                          He means 'buy hosting accounts' all over the Internet.
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                          • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
                            Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

                            He means 'buy hosting accounts' all over the Internet.
                            Then what does he/she mean by "beyond SEO hosting?"


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                            • Profile picture of the author mosthost
                              Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

                              Then what does he/she mean by "beyond SEO hosting?"


                              Catherine
                              You don't need 'SEO hosting' to accomplish the same task. The point is to put all the domains on different Class C Ip ranges. SEO hosting does that, but the price is high and they tend to put all the sites on one server. You can accomplish the same thing by just purchasing different low cost hosting accounts from web hosts with different IP ranges.

                              It's probably safer to do it that way, any way. Plus you can also put blogs up at all the normal Web 2.0 locations. Some people are doing that only. But you can do that in conjunction with paid hosting.
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                              • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
                                So, in other words, the idea is that I just sign up for another hosting account (other than my current one that serves my 10 websites), and using the same computer, just build blogs on the new host. And buy as many accounts at different hosts as I want to spend money on. And this would be my private blog network.

                                Or, as an alternative, build blogs on 2.0 properties like Squidoo or Weebly, and then my work goes on their own servers.

                                Is this right?


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                                • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                                  Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

                                  So, in other words, the idea is that I just sign up for another hosting account (other than my current one that serves my 10 websites), and using the same computer, just build blogs on the new host. And buy as many accounts at different hosts as I want to spend money on. And this would be my private blog network.

                                  Or, as an alternative, build blogs on 2.0 properties like Squidoo or Weebly, and then my work goes on their own servers.

                                  Is this right?


                                  Catherine
                                  Yes, but mix it up a bit. You can have a nice variety of both. And don't forget - not only diff. servers, but private (proxy registered) domains. If all the domains are owned by the same person, then even the bots can detect it and devalue the links (not totally useless - but devalued)

                                  And I agree with others that you can't simply use this as your only source of SEO, you need a realistic variety that includes social indicators such as other people Tweeting and mentioning you on Facebook and G+.

                                  Here's a real case study (small sample size - but still interesting). I have two sites in the exact same niche - both real sites, both monetized, both using the same adsense account, BUT both on separate servers.

                                  One of them links to the other. When I do a search in majesticseo or ahref the "strongest" link is usually from my own site.

                                  Note: interesting - but not Google may place a different value on links than majesticseo or ahrefs, so as usual, we have to test and use common sense.
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
                  Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

                  Because if you are using adsense on your money sites and the
                  same adsense on these blogs, that's a dead giveaway,

                  As for your other questions - that's exactly the way forward
                  with private blog networks nowadays - set them up as real
                  sites with great articles and all the works, the subtly use
                  them for your SEO,

                  Kingsley
                  Since we are on this topic. May I ask: How about domain name registration?

                  Wouldn't Google be able to check if the list of private blog networks be under the same owner?
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                  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
                    Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                    Since we are on this topic. May I ask: How about domain name registration?

                    Wouldn't Google be able to check if the list of private blog networks be under the same owner?
                    Yes. They absolutely can see if the domains are registered to the same person or company. I have started using private registration to avoid this, but I'm not sure if that's really good enough. Google may have some way of finding out anyway if they want to.

                    I suspect that if you use private registration (normally an extra $8/year) that you'll stay under the radar - but if someone really wanted to find out, they probably could.

                    Anyone know for sure?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
                      Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

                      Yes. They absolutely can see if the domains are registered to the same person or company. I have started using private registration to avoid this, but I'm not sure if that's really good enough. Google may have some way of finding out anyway if they want to.

                      I suspect that if you use private registration (normally an extra $8/year) that you'll stay under the radar - but if someone really wanted to find out, they probably could.

                      Anyone know for sure?
                      If Google is listed as one of the domain registrar, do you think they can find out about domain name registration information?
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  • Profile picture of the author grey38
    How do you find expiring pr2+ blogs, and how do you know no one is going to renew them?
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    • Profile picture of the author auditt05
      Originally Posted by grey38 View Post

      How do you find expiring pr2+ blogs, and how do you know no one is going to renew them?
      Through Godaddy's auctions.
      I bulk check for their PR or goto expireddomains dot net to see the full list
      Its very helpful, I advise you to check it out.

      About the owner, if he renews, then Godaddy refunds my cash fully.
      However, if someone leaves the website till its hostless, then most probably, he wont renew.

      My 50th post, finally, I can PM
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      • Profile picture of the author grey38
        Originally Posted by auditt05 View Post

        Through Godaddy's auctions.
        I bulk check for their PR or goto expireddomains dot net to see the full list
        Its very helpful, I advise you to check it out.

        About the owner, if he renews, then Godaddy refunds my cash fully.
        However, if someone leaves the website till its hostless, then most probably, he wont renew.

        My 50th post, finally, I can PM
        Wow, very cool. Can't believe I've never heard of this. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Takk
    My only real suggestion would be the rather obvious one:

    With your own network, it would be really easy to swarm a whole bunch of links from all of those blogs to a new site. I'd recommend against it due to how obvious that would make the system. Make sure to set some other external links!
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    • Profile picture of the author auditt05
      The main site which is the beneficiary of all this, got more than 400 Backlinks built over a year. Definitely adding few blogrolls that add around 200 links in 2 months wont ever make a biggie.

      Thanks for the tip though
      Originally Posted by Takk View Post

      My only real suggestion would be the rather obvious one:

      With your own network, it would be really easy to swarm a whole bunch of links from all of those blogs to a new site. I'd recommend against it due to how obvious that would make the system. Make sure to set some other external links!
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      • Profile picture of the author Takk
        Originally Posted by auditt05 View Post

        The main site which is the beneficiary of all this, got more than 400 Backlinks built over a year. Definitely adding few blogrolls that add around 200 links in 2 months wont ever make a biggie.

        Thanks for the tip though
        Fair enough! I was more expecting you to repeat linking from these blogs to new sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyberdog1
    Hi there,

    Just a quick question - what is the real benefit of having your own Network of Blogsites? It sounds like a really good idea and relatively easy to implement but why?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by Cyberdog1 View Post

      Hi there,

      Just a quick question - what is the real benefit of having your own Network of Blogsites? It sounds like a really good idea and relatively easy to implement but why?
      The idea is simple. You 'fool' Google into thinking that the websites aren't under your control and are giving you an in-content 'editorial' backlink to your main 'money site.'

      Of course your competitors and hand checkers from Google might not be so convinced. That's the reason you always have to hide your domain registrations and IP details. It's so you can pretend that bloggers are 'blogging about your main website.'

      Of course you still need to update these blogs constantly with really good content so it becomes a never ending process of 'feeding the beast.'
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post


        Of course you still need to update these blogs constantly with really good content so it becomes a never ending process of 'feeding the beast.'
        More utter nonsense. You are not trying to rank network sites and there are COUNTLESS business sites that rank week after week month after month that do not change their content or even their web design. Been to a software company' sites that ranks high for a particular serp? Are they always changing content even when they don't have a new release? How many shops online change content daily unless they are having a sale? This is a urban SEO legend even for ranking sites but a network site is doing nothing but passing juice and needs updating even less. There is no "feeding the best".

        When you run your own network there is no reason to continually add content because the links do not roll of the page. The only reason you had to continue to submit content to services like BMR is that other users were adding content and rolling your links off. Most I am sorry you have not a single clue what you are talking about. nada.

        anyway got to run. I have networks to build and I am behind on some of them. Not a one of the hundred plus people who are presently building their own private not public networks that I deal with have reported their networks being deindexed. I've been asking on my forums for nearly two months and not a one has stepped forward. Go figure. LOL. last years technique. whatever you say man.

        No problem man If you're serious about the blog network idea (and it sounds like you are) hit up Mike Anthony. That's his whole bread and butter.
        LOL. Most thanks for the recommendation but you got to go easy on the sauce. You have no idea what my whole bread and butter is. I'd rather you not recommend me and stop spreading misinformation.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          LOL. Most thanks for the recommendation but you got to go easy on the sauce. You have no idea what my whole bread and butter is. I'd rather you not recommend me and stop spreading misinformation.
          Believe me, that's the last time I'll be recommending you I'm not on any sauce, and I really don't have time to line by line rebut your points.

          I wouldn't really have a clue what kind of business you run. I mean, you actually have an image file in your sig that says 'Destroy Google.'
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

            I wouldn't really have a clue what kind of business you run. I mean, you actually have an image file in your sig that says 'Destroy Google.'

            You are making a point about figurative language? With a sig and and an Avatar proclaiming yourself as a Ninja. Really? Thats funny stuff. . Peace to you though.

            One thing that you stated earlier that I think is true is that the websites should show some form of monetization.

            One of the things that always seemed ridiculous about BMR was how they had the blogs set up. Imagine endless blogs with no comments, no social, and NO ADS! Who sets up blogs like that? Real blogs are about monetization. Plus, they need to have some social presence in order to even be considered good by Google.
            I know you will think I am picking on you but again this is just horribly wrong. There are tens of thousands of blogs that are NOT about monetization. Education, science, personal, social issues, religious, political, non profits the list goes on and on. I don't know where you got that from.

            Sometimes the worse thing you can do is try and monetize all your network sites. You can do a few for a mix but the rule you stated does not exist. If anything you want to keep the idea that links are being sold on it as far back in peoples minds as possible. As DP pointed out you also potentially open the sites to be more trackable unless you are going to the headache of being involved in multiple programs. Likewise the social stuff is nowhere near a key factor in determining a good site by algo. There are ton loads of sites ranking without social aspects on their site. We might get there where its a major factor but people are jumping the gun just because Google said something about it last year.

            Frankly the best thing you can do to protect a network is low outbound links, good nonspun content and use different platforms. Its kind of odd when the only sites that link to you are wordpress blogs. I put HTMl , Other CMSs etc into the mix.
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            • Profile picture of the author mosthost
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              You are making a point about figurative language? With a sig and and an Avatar proclaiming yourself as a Ninja. Really? Thats funny stuff. . Peace to you though.
              Lighten up, 'Mike Anthony.'

              You shouldn't turn your ideas about blog networks into a religion. That's all I'm saying.

              People who are now rushing into blog networks are rushing in from another area of 'SEO' that just failed on them. I'm just suggesting that they might be better served admitting that their 'money sites' need more work and not more backlinks.

              I understand you love blog networks (or charging people for building them at least), but there's no need to get dogmatic about it.

              There are plenty of other strategies available to promote websites these days.

              I'm not trying to attack anyone's deeply held beliefs or 'income streams.' I'm just pointing out that generally the 'next big thing' in IM is actually the 'next big thing to be targeted by Google.' The only adjustment that Google would have to do to reduce the effectiveness from guest blogs and private blog networks is to reduce the impact of anchor text from blog posts. It would be trivial to do. They certainly WILL do it if they feel the tactic is abused.

              In any event, I do support anyone's ambition to Destroy Google. More power to anyone that accomplishes it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Himitsu
    Create more , using blogger blogs, this will increase your back-links!
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  • Profile picture of the author jcruz
    A great tool you can use to search for expired domains is domainpeeker, it searches through multiple auctions, and you can filter the results. I just got a pr4 domain. I was going to start my own private blog network, but it can get expensive. I am going to just use the expired domain as my money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Blog networks are a great way to achieve and maintain rankings that you wouldn't normally be able to get regardless of great content. Theres an upstart cost and some setup time but after that they're pretty easy to run. The idea that you constantly need to add content is not at all true. I have network sites that haven't been updated in months that are keeping rankings solid for some of my best sites.

    Even if you take a 100% white hat approach that works really well. You'll be able to rank even better if you have some really high PR sites thrown in to the mix. A good solid network also gives you the ability to rank just about anything with ease and rank newer sites quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      Blog networks are a great way to achieve and maintain rankings that you wouldn't normally be able to get regardless of great content. Theres an upstart cost and some setup time but after that they're pretty easy to run. The idea that you constantly need to add content is not at all true. I have network sites that haven't been updated in months that are keeping rankings solid for some of my best sites.

      Even if you take a 100% white hat approach that works really well. You'll be able to rank even better if you have some really high PR sites thrown in to the mix. A good solid network also gives you the ability to rank just about anything with ease and rank newer sites quickly.
      Okay, so you don't update content at all. Your 'backlink website' just sits there year in and year out becoming less important in the eyes of Google. As the site diminishes in value, so do the links from it. Right?

      If you have hundreds of these websites, management costs start to add up. If you just leave them all there, where are these websites getting backlinks from?

      I mean the blog network idea makes a bit of sense, and I'll take your word for it that it's been working for awhile. That said, it seems likely that the network and the links from the network will continue to diminish in value as time goes. At least BMR had a solution to that in the guise of always adding new posts and new blogs.

      All I see is a low quality network fueled by low quality backlinks diminishing in value over time. Plus, any network you build by hand by yourself will have a very small footprint.

      Would something like this work for pushing 'micro niche sites' to the top? Sure it would. But so would a handful of backlinks from real websites.

      It's all a matter of how you want to spend time, money, and resources.

      You still have to care for and feed a network of websites IN ADDITION to your primary websites! You're making your work even more difficult.

      Why is this so advantageous over just focusing on the primary website and taking the steps necessary to making that a success? (Ads, social networking, real networking, fast loading, modern design etc).
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      • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        Okay, so you don't update content at all. Your 'backlink website' just sits there year in and year out becoming less important in the eyes of Google. As the site diminishes in value, so do the links from it. Right?

        If you have hundreds of these websites, management costs start to add up. If you just leave them all there, where are these websites getting backlinks from?
        I purchase domains that have tons of powerful links going to them that don't look like they'll be taken down. Just to give you 1 specific example, one of my newer network sites has a link from a PR 6 page on columbia.edu that was created in 2005, another link from another PR 6 .gov page from 2006. These links are insanely valuable. The pages haven't been updated in god knows when and will forever transfer huge link juice as long as the links stay in place. I do build links to my network sites, but links don't lose power just because they've been around for a long time. Constantly updating content is only valuable if you want your page to be consistently crawled. It holds no other value from a backlinking standpoint.

        Also i'd like to point out that running a network is not that expensive. Buying the domains can be costly but hosting them can cost as little as 2 per IP. Even Bluehost has packages for $3 a month if you find the right coupons, and thats not even an SEO hosting company. Yes 100's of domains does get costly, but if you need 100's of domains to rank your sites then you are in a situation where that cost is well worth it. In a nutshell all a high PR network is, is personally owning powerful territory on the net to do with as you please. This is standard practice for large companies and big time websites.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

          I purchase domains that have tons of powerful links going to them that don't look like they'll be taken down. Just to give you 1 specific example, one of my newer network sites has a link from a PR 6 page on columbia.edu that was created in 2005, another link from another PR 6 .gov page from 2006. These links are insanely valuable. The pages haven't been updated in god knows when and will forever transfer huge link juice as long as the links stay in place. I do build links to my network sites, but links don't lose power just because they've been around for a long time. Constantly updating content is only valuable if you want your page to be consistently crawled. It holds no other value from a backlinking standpoint.

          Also i'd like to point out that running a network is not that expensive. Buying the domains can be costly but hosting them can cost as little as 2 per IP. Even Bluehost has packages for $3 a month if you find the right coupons, and thats not even an SEO hosting company. Yes 100's of domains does get costly, but if you need 100's of domains to rank your sites then you are in a situation where that cost is well worth it. In a nutshell all a high PR network is, is personally owning powerful territory on the net to do with as you please. This is standard practice for large companies and big time websites.
          Believe me, I'm familiar with the practice. I too have a few such domains that I bought from a domain broker that have managed to keep their link profiles in tact. However, I also owned many domains that lost their backlinks and juice as time went on. I also experienced a bit of 'deindexing' at the hands of Google.

          If you can find any PR5 domains with backlinks like you describe and you keep the content on topic from the old website to the new one, you're good to go. (Even aged PR3 and PR4s too) The link juice will help.

          That said, you REALLY have to know what you're doing to not get f***ed in the domain after market, especially these days.

          It just seems that this strategy is really too involved for the average person who's looking to boost a few keywords. However, these guys all took the time to learn how to use TheBestSpinner and SeNuke, so I guess they don't mind
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          will continue to diminish in value as time goes. At least BMR had a solution to that in the guise of always adding new posts and new blogs.
          they added content because they had to add users links - my goodness . That was their business model not an SEO solution. You have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about . Posting content does not make a network site go up in authority. Links going to the site does. This is VERY basic stuff. When you build a network you look at the links and if they are interior links in particular you rarely lose them

          Would something like this work for pushing 'micro niche sites' to the top? Sure it would. But so would a handful of backlinks from real websites.
          Sigh.... network sites ARE real sites. What makes them real is the REAL links that are bought pointing to them. The site that was there before got those links for the most part naturally. As long as you continue with the same kind of content they will be indistinguishable and as real as the last site that operated from the domain .

          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          You shouldn't turn your ideas about blog networks into a religion. That's all I'm saying.
          and all I am saying is when you participate in a thread you should know some basic things before you post or you are doing no one any good and actually people reading alot of harm. When you post ridiculous stuff like BMR increased the value of their domains by adding multiple crappy three hundred word articles with all kinds of links outgoing you show perfectly you don't know what in the world you are talking a bout.

          I understand you love blog networks (or charging people for building them at least), but there's no need to get dogmatic about it.
          Typical . You don't even know how I came to be offering what I do on this forum. Hint - talked networks LONG before I had any offer about them. Well we both can play that game because from what I see all you are really loving right now is trying desperately to position yourself as some IM Ninja without knowing what in the world you are talking about. Link building is still a huge part of SEO no matter what you claim. Its not about being dogmatic its about trying to cut down on the nonsense bad infornation that is being peddled especially in the hysteria of Penguin.

          The only adjustment that Google would have to do to reduce the effectiveness from guest blogs and private blog networks is to reduce the impact of anchor text from blog posts. It would be trivial to do. They certainly WILL do it if they feel the tactic is abused.
          So let me get this right. You are proposing that it would be trivial for Google to decide that it is going to target all wordpress, blogger (which they own) and every blog on the planet. Lol. This is like a bad Twilight zone episode. By the way when people talk about blog networks the idea of a network is the main thing. I have Wordpress, Drupal , Joomla and HTMl sites. Will it be a trivial thing for Google to stop counting links in HTML too?

          In any event, I do support anyone's ambition to Destroy Google. More power to anyone that accomplishes it.
          Well if I don't you can drop kick them with one of your IM ninja moves LOL. Take it easy man.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    Whoa!.....Guess what? Blog Network Gurus are back!
    May god bless and save you people.
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    • Profile picture of the author jficarro
      Originally Posted by redfeilds18 View Post

      its against Google webmaster policy! and bad for SEO
      Huh??? How can setting up websites, choosing to host on different servers, and using private domains be against policy? Show me that anywhere in Google's TOS or best practices.

      And "bad for SEO"? are you serious? Maybe you mean a bunch of nonsensical re-spun articles of various niches and backlinks on every page? Then, yes - obviously - that's why we are all here discussing the right way to do it.

      Facts are, those silly networks did work. I made a LOT of money using a "private" one. But, once Google caught on, all the links are gone and so is most of the money. I never could figure out how they were working anyway - the articles were completely unreadable and a link just placed randomly in the middle of a paragraph (along with 1000 other customers links) - but it did work.

      What we are talking about here is a different animal completely. We are saying create multiple sites, hiding footprint as much as possible, use great content, and have a backlink to another site that is important to you in the same niche. This is a truly "private" network that is only for yourself.

      For many of us, this is a couple hours work and then a bit of time each week.

      Neither against TOS or bad for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
    I didn't hear anyone mention posting blogs with zero OBL.

    I create a niche blog, put a few subpages in the header profiling some of our better pay clients, then post a blog once a week or so for lower playing clients or just a blog to be a blog with no OBL. Obviously I use photos, videos, authority links every once in a while. Some blogs have monetization, some don't.

    Mike Anthony's setup would be ideal, but its time consuming enough and I'm trying to do it on a budget as well. I also think he is right about keeping the OBL low, but if somehow Google ever visits a website like that...its just a static website with a few links and no updating. I prefer to update it a few times a month, just to make it look more "real".

    Either way, everyone has their own ideas on how it should work -- no one has the perfect setup, because there is always a risk running private blog networks. We're all right....until we're wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    None of this is against Google TOS. Do you know how many domains the New York Times, Facebook, Fox ect.. own that all link back to their main pages. No where in Google's TOS do they say you are not allowed to link to your own websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      None of this is against Google TOS. Do you know how many domains the New York Times, Facebook, Fox ect.. own that all link back to their main pages. No where in Google's TOS do they say you are not allowed to link to your own websites.
      You are wrong. If you have billions of dollars, then it is not against Google's TOS.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

        You are wrong. If you have billions of dollars, then it is not against Google's TOS.
        Yep. I also think that the websites that the New York Times control are a far cry from the average blog network built my a member here.

        That said, MANY companies do brazenly link all their properties. However, I feel that technique hasn't worked for the average webmaster in years. (Blogrolls, footer links, etc).
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        • Profile picture of the author jficarro
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          Yep. I also think that the websites that the New York Times control are a far cry from the average blog network built my a member here.

          That said, MANY companies do brazenly link all their properties. However, I feel that technique hasn't worked for the average webmaster in years. (Blogrolls, footer links, etc).
          I never thought blogrolls were worth much (no follow by default). That is, until this last Penguin update. The sites that had same niche sites linking to them (yes, even in blogrolls) went up. The sites that used crappy networks went down.

          Those blogroll links are showing up strong (of course it's probably better when it's an html site).

          On another note: simple link exchanges are against TOS too and they are nearly always for SERPs. But they work when they are from relevant sites (at least for now).
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      None of this is against Google TOS. Do you know how many domains the New York Times, Facebook, Fox ect.. own that all link back to their main pages. No where in Google's TOS do they say you are not allowed to link to your own websites.
      Agreed. That's why I never hide the fact I'm doing it. The only thing Google says is to avoid "participating in link schemes" in order to manipulate PageRank. Of course every 'dofollow' link you add to another website passes PageRank. Whether that's a link scheme or not is not up to me to decide.

      It's up to Cutts. And we can probably guess what he thinks about it.

      BMR had unique content and it didn't save them. Of course their marketing was likely what brought them down (Build My 'Rank' hehe)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      None of this is against Google TOS. Do you know how many domains the New York Times, Facebook, Fox ect.. own that all link back to their main pages. No where in Google's TOS do they say you are not allowed to link to your own websites.
      Thing with that is that they can just as easily decide that your links from your own site is manipulative. So disregard any bad advice about not putting Whois protection on at least some of your domains. Google may be a registrar but there is nothing published anywhere I see where a registrar for non registrar business can violate whois privacy sold by another registrar. Thats lawsuit territory and its probably not even possible because its the registrar that sells the whois privacy that holds the actual data for the whois protected part.

      However, I feel that technique hasn't worked for the average webmaster in years. (Blogrolls, footer links, etc).
      Yes of course Most. After all the reason that Google went after BMR was because their links haven't worked in years.

      ....... Its both funny and sad at the same time.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thing with that is that they can just as easily decide that your links from your own site is manipulative. So disregard any bad advice about not putting Whois protection on at least some of your domains. Google may be a registrar but there is nothing published anywhere I see where a registrar for non registrar business can violate whois privacy sold by another registrar. Thats lawsuit territory and its probably not even possible because its the registrar that sells the whois privacy that holds the actual data for the whois protected part.



        Yes of course Most. After all the reason that Google went after BMR was because their links haven't worked in years.

        ....... Its both funny and sad at the same time.
        You're way too condescending. I said my bit. You might be able to convince some people you're the 'Real SEO Expert' here, so have it.

        I don't sell competing services, so get off my d**k.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          You're way too condescending. I said my bit. You might be able to convince some people you're the 'Real SEO Expert' here, so have it.
          Real SEo Expert is a reference to my students if you must know. this is not about me being an expert . You are making outrageous statements like blog networks have not worked in years for the average webmaster . Even alot of newbies know that is false. I don't care what you sell its the misinformation I care about.
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          • Profile picture of the author T-shirtman
            Everything I read is to change anchor text don't pay for links but #1 for a keyword I am trying to rank for has 42 back links all the same anchor text and all seem to be on some sort of network (every site is very similar)

            Looking down

            #2 No back links are showing :confused:
            #3 has over 900 links (A lot from the same site)

            I would say these networks seem to work. How much would a network of 30-50 sites set someone back?

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  • Profile picture of the author auditt05
    Well, I didnt know my thread would be that HEFTY with responses
    Anyways, I've read that some of you guys think that a Blog Network is solely for crappy websites, definitely NOT.

    Quality and Unique content is NOT enough for highly competitive keywords. I might be a little bit different than most of the people around here, I choose to rank for higher competitive keywords, and my content is PRETTY UNIQUE that I get some offers to write for super quality sites, and I refused, coz I got a goal and its to promote MINE!
    Now, with Blog posting being everywhere and SEO Providers give 10 blog posts at a cheap price in every forum, I CANT beat them with normal referrers, at least I need an initial boost, then after being high in the SERPs, the momentum will continue using NATURAL link building. Gaming Niche is not easy for selective keywords!!!!

    I tried low competition keywords before, and content alone was enough, just add a few directory submissions and few articles in article directories (and 10 Press Releases optionally) and you're guyaranteed a first page! This is not the case for ME.

    If anyone reading this thread is competing for a LOW/Medium keyword, you are in the WRONG thread!

    About private registrations, and Domain Regs... I advise using several hosting providers, and use private regs... Both will cost you around 65USD/year combined. (Godaddy a bit higher).

    and again, no one was wrong or right in this thread, I learnt that in SEO there are 1000s of strategies, all of them could be correct.. what is wrong is HOW YOU APPLY THEM!!!!

    One last tip : Article SPINNING IS A NIGHTMARE... If you hate to read an article after 2 lines, your visitors have the same feeling.. believe me!!!

    Good Luck
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    • Profile picture of the author auditt05
      Originally Posted by Chronic IM View Post

      Does buying expired domains a big help for a blog network?
      DEFINITELY. It will save you tons of time doing SEO for every new site in your blog network.

      Just be careful, buy ONLY ones with the following criteria :
      1) Backlinks from 50+ Different Domains
      2) Relevant to your niche
      3) Make sure you redesign the website using the same old architecture, to avoid losing the link juice incoming to internal pages.
      4) Start writing content immediately, else google might think to re-index it.
      5) BEST to buy Expired domains after PR updates
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    • Profile picture of the author jficarro
      Originally Posted by Chronic IM View Post

      Does buying expired domains a big help for a blog network?
      It can be great period. But like audit says, make sure you do a little research on the domain and definitely build it out right away.

      I recently bought a nearly 5 year old domain with good PR. With all the projects I have going, I took my time to build out the site once I had control of the domain. It was de-indexed in that time period

      But, I did the common sense things to get it indexed and after about a week (longer than my usual indexing time), I got it indexed - but 0 PR now.

      So, lesson learned and shared - build it out when you get it.

      Mean time, the domain name is so cool and the fact that it's aged is a plus for me. So, I'm glad I got it.
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      • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
        Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

        It can be great period. But like audit says, make sure you do a little research on the domain and definitely build it out right away.

        I recently bought a nearly 5 year old domain with good PR. With all the projects I have going, I took my time to build out the site once I had control of the domain. It was de-indexed in that time period

        But, I did the common sense things to get it indexed and after about a week (longer than my usual indexing time), I got it indexed - but 0 PR now.

        So, lesson learned and shared - build it out when you get it.

        Mean time, the domain name is so cool and the fact that it's aged is a plus for me. So, I'm glad I got it.
        Honestly, I think PR is probably the biggest footprint of all that no one seems to acknowledge. The whole point of private blog networks is to get high PR backlinks, so if I were Google I would work on a way to identify high PR networks based on PR - not layouts, content, OBL...or perhaps include those too.

        I've decided to try a different tack. I am creating new domains with the intent of steadily building up content and quality and in a few years I'll have some high PR blogs. Rather than buying a domain with a high PR already in place and building a blog there...because can't Google tell if a domain has changed owners? Wouldn't that be a huge red flag if the domain is high PR?

        Obviously, I could be making something out of nothing - but the investment into a network is huge in terms of time and money, so taking the long term approach might work out. lol I'll update you guys in 3-4 years.
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        • Profile picture of the author asgm2010
          Obviously, I could be making something out of nothing - but the investment into a network is huge in terms of time and money, so taking the long term approach might work out. lol I'll update you guys in 3-4 years.
          This is the funniest post of the day for me. Awesome. I wish you luck with your 1500 day plan!

          Thanks for keeping a ridiculous sense of humor.
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        • Profile picture of the author jficarro
          The domain I referred to is for something else.

          However, I don't see how google would be able to used PR to detect a network. Most networks are going to have a normal range of sites in them. For mine, I started with new domains and some that I already owned, but certainly won't hesitate (when I can feel like I can manage it) to add some high PR domains.

          But even if all the domains are brand new and start off with 0 PR, you are still creating a network of sites that can at some point help out one or more of your sites. I don't think it will take you 3 years. LOL

          Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

          Honestly, I think PR is probably the biggest footprint of all that no one seems to acknowledge. The whole point of private blog networks is to get high PR backlinks, so if I were Google I would work on a way to identify high PR networks based on PR - not layouts, content, OBL...or perhaps include those too.

          I've decided to try a different tack. I am creating new domains with the intent of steadily building up content and quality and in a few years I'll have some high PR blogs. Rather than buying a domain with a high PR already in place and building a blog there...because can't Google tell if a domain has changed owners? Wouldn't that be a huge red flag if the domain is high PR?

          Obviously, I could be making something out of nothing - but the investment into a network is huge in terms of time and money, so taking the long term approach might work out. lol I'll update you guys in 3-4 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    The idea that PR is a footprint is a bit far fetched considering every domain in Google's index has a PR rating on their end and the majority of sites that have been indexed for awhile have some PR seen on the users end. I think thats over thinking it a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author mauddib
      Whats the main reason you wouldn't just buy domain names using different accts / names etc and just use free blog services such as blog.com and wordpress.com?

      As long as you used only one of all of the different "free" services that are available, all of your IP addresses would be different as well as the domain names.
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      • Profile picture of the author jficarro
        Originally Posted by mauddib View Post

        Whats the main reason you wouldn't just buy domain names using different accts / names etc and just use free blog services such as blog.com and wordpress.com?

        As long as you used only one of all of the different "free" services that are available, all of your IP addresses would be different as well as the domain names.
        Unless you have multiple businesses that are truly separate, you are required to use your real name (It's not legal by ICANN rules to have fake names and fake addresses for your domains) So, I think it's a better idea to be honest, but shell out a little extra every year for proxy domain privacy.

        As far as free blog services - if you have a domain, you wouldn't really need to use them right? They are for people who don't have a real domain. I think the Web 2.0 properties are great addition to your network though, and you can create pen names for them without any problems.
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        • Profile picture of the author mauddib
          Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

          As far as free blog services - if you have a domain, you wouldn't really need to use them right? They are for people who don't have a real domain. I think the Web 2.0 properties are great addition to your network though, and you can create pen names for them without any problems.
          Sorry, but I think you're overlooking my point and question. Domains are cheap to own - less than $10 a year for .com and even less for .co.uk, if like me you are in the UK.

          As you'd need separate IPs for all the blogs in your self hosted network, you'd need separate hosting for each, so e.g. You have 10 blogs @ $5 pm hosting which will work out at $600 per year + $100 for the domain names.

          So that's $700 per year for your self hosted blog network.

          However if you host with free blog sites using your own domains, then your cost is only $100 pa for the domain names.

          So, my question is why wouldn't you do that? Is there a reason I'm not seeing?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Maud the biggest reason is because your Blogs can disappear on a third party site. You are limited to what you can do. incidentally you can half the cost of the hosting you quoted. there are a ton load of hosts that have packages under $3. However yes a dirt cheap way of introducing yourself to networks is using Web 2.0 blogs. Basically pages that will allow you to build content and in context links are a kind of mini net.
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          • Profile picture of the author jficarro
            Originally Posted by mauddib View Post

            Sorry, but I think you're overlooking my point and question. Domains are cheap to own - less than $10 a year for .com and even less for .co.uk, if like me you are in the UK.

            As you'd need separate IPs for all the blogs in your self hosted network, you'd need separate hosting for each, so e.g. You have 10 blogs @ $5 pm hosting which will work out at $600 per year + $100 for the domain names.

            So that's $700 per year for your self hosted blog network.

            However if you host with free blog sites using your own domains, then your cost is only $100 pa for the domain names.

            So, my question is why wouldn't you do that? Is there a reason I'm not seeing?
            The only web 2.0 that I would trust with that is blogspot, but then you loose all the powerful flexibility that you have when you have your own system e.g. a self hosted WordPress.

            I have had clients that bought their domains and used the option to use the blogspot platform and I can't do as much for them as normal. You can't add complex scripts or plug ins that really help.

            But, you may have a point for letting a few of the domains be hosted in that way. As far as it being a money saver - I don't think it's worth it if that's the main reason.

            Not that I recommend it yet, but I even found a free hosting service a few weeks ago. I have one of the domains up and running and no problems as far as I can tell. It has all the features of a cheap hosting company - including CPanel.

            For the most part, I'd say just get decent inexpensive hosting for each. When you have a money site that brings in a consistent $300 a day for years, it will be well worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mauddib
    Cheers Chaps, that explains why its not a good idea :-(

    I think I'll try a 5-10 site self hosted network and then grow it from there - Mike Anthony, are these sub $3 hosts reliable?

    One more question How would you link them to stop big G from catching on??

    If you only link from the network to your money site, then that's detectable, if you use a conventional link-wheel setup then that's also detectable and I've read that even if you randomize links, it's still detectable
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by mauddib View Post

      I think I'll try a 5-10 site self hosted network and then grow it from there - Mike Anthony, are these sub $3 hosts reliable?
      Check webhostingtalk. No way anyone can tell you all sub $3 hosts are reliable anymore that all $20 per month hosts are reliable. Do your research (and that can be done on the same site referenced)
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  • Profile picture of the author dbdnvikas
    Google will soon catch you. BuildMyRank was also banned by Google. Blog networks are really considered spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewYorkerRocks
    make sure that you keep on adding as many class C IP addresses as much as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Timby
    Creating a blog network is something I have been toying with for ages. How many sites do you think it is ok to have on the same IP? Do you only add links within blog posts?

    Thanks for the great info guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cruizer
    Hi guys, I was wondering if any one with experience running their own network can point out some good software, system, app, web service etc... for centrally maintaining a blog network. Ive seen several services out there for this, most are monthly fees, some people use AMR and in the future, rumor is you'll be able to use Nuke for this, plus curate content. So any favorites or suggestions? Drip feeds, auto updates for plugins, curations etc... anyone know? TIA
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  • Profile picture of the author bettylarany
    there are so many enthusiastic people
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    SEO hosting that rely just the different IP class C but on are in the same machine. Do you think Google cannot track that link originate from same person. Try to host private blog network in several location can be make more sense to do.
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    • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
      Seems like a lot of people are considering a blog network.

      Here are some tips for getting started.

      1. If you already have a bunch of sites and a hosting account or two, they are ****ed. They already have a footprint, so keep your new network separate.

      2. Even if you want to build a huge network you want to start small and in one little tiny pocket of the web where you can get the most value from a small network

      3. Getting Started

      A. Pick your broad category - example: health & fitness
      B. Pick sub categories - example: sports, outdoors, weight loss, cooking
      C. If you are doing this for SEO only find 4 sites per sub category that will be easiest to rank, if you want to profit from these sites, find EMDs that will make you something
      D. Buy: 4 shared hosting accounts
      E. Each hosting account should have its own domain registrar account - so if a site gets hosted on your bluehost account you only register those domains with your networksolutions account or whatever - keep everything separate

      Don't use SEO hosting that is a dead giveaway.

      Doing this will give you: 4 site per hosting account (all 4 with the same domain registrar but in different niches)

      Congrats - you now have a 16 site blog network

      4. Build a spreadsheet and keep track of:
      domain name and register
      host
      WP theme used
      analytic software installed - if any
      revenue source - if any

      If you don't keep track of this you are going to **** up, it gets really hard to manage really quickly

      5. To expand - every time you add a hosting account you can create 4 new sites + 1 site on every existing hosting account, so your sites increase by:
      16 - 4 host accounts - 4 sites per
      25 - 5 host accounts - 5 sites per
      36 - 6 hosting accounts - 6 sites per
      49 - 7 hosting accounts - 7 sites per
      64 - 8 hosting accounts - 8 sites per
      81 - 9 hosting accounts - 9 sites per
      100 - 10 hosting accounts - 10 sites per

      You won't have any footprint at this point.

      If you wish to monetize or track traffic you should stick to one form per hosting account. So your 10 sites on Bluehost can have adsense and a clicky account and your 10 sites on Hostgator can have amazon affiliate and a separate clicky account, and so on.

      After 100 sites you can either start over with a new cluster or keep building.

      Not really hard. Just more expensive/time consuming than making 100 sites on one hosting account.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by tylerherman View Post

        16 - 4 host accounts - 4 sites per
        25 - 5 host accounts - 5 sites per
        36 - 6 hosting accounts - 6 sites per
        49 - 7 hosting accounts - 7 sites per
        64 - 8 hosting accounts - 8 sites per
        81 - 9 hosting accounts - 9 sites per
        100 - 10 hosting accounts - 10 sites per

        You won't have any footprint at this point.
        Really? No footprint? 10 sites on each hosting account? Those 10 sites better have DRAMATICALLY different outgoing link profiles.

        I would recommend far more hosting accounts. If you pay for them for 1-2 years upfront, they are not all that expensive.

        And forget about Wordpress. There is no way you should use Wordpress for every site you have in a network. Toss in a bunch of HTML sites, Drupal (if you know it), and any other CMS's you can get your hands on.
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        • Profile picture of the author satrap
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Really? No footprint? 10 sites on each hosting account? Those 10 sites better have DRAMATICALLY different outgoing link profiles.

          I would recommend far more hosting accounts. If you pay for them for 1-2 years upfront, they are not all that expensive.
          Hey Mike,

          what would you suggest as far as the number of sites with one hosting account (assuming all sites link to one money site)?...

          I was thinking about maybe 3-4 sites per hosting. Do you think that is about right?...

          Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedWaterDub
    Can I just ask..what is wrong with seo hosting? What is the purpose of seo hosting?
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