Is SEO hosting a scam?

anonymous99

14 years ago

bump anyone?

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ThatAblaze

14 years ago

SEO hosting turns out to be easy to penetrate, since all the IPs are registered to the same company anyway. Your best bet is to get shared hosting from several different companies. How many depends on how safe you want to be. Personally, if I had 20 blogs I would put them on three separate accounts.

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dp40oz

14 years ago

Any decent SEO hosting provider will be pretty impossible to track down despite recent myths going around these days. You do need separate class C's otherwise you'll be leaving a tremendous footprint. SEO hosting gets a bad name because there are a lot of bad hosting companies out there. With that said the good ones that do it right are very much worth it and legit.

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Pyramid Linkers

14 years ago

SEO hosting is quite effective. And necessary to run your own blog network. Without the ip seperation, your links can be discounted or even worse, get your main site penalized.

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footfoot

14 years ago

I use free hosting. no ads either. work good too. seo hosting is too easy for google to find.

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dburk

14 years ago

Hi anonymous99,

I believe SEO hosting is indeed a scam.

Google doesn't need to see IP addresses to determine affiliations, they have the world's largest link graph for that. In fact that is the purported reason behind Brin's desire to graph web page backlinks, which ultimately led to the development of the search engine known as Google.

To think that you can hide your affiliations by using different IP addresses is laughable to anyone who understands how large scale search engines work.

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dp40oz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi anonymous99,

I believe SEO hosting is indeed a scam.

Google doesn't need to see IP addresses to determine affiliations, they have the world's largest link graph for that. In fact that is the purported reason behind Brin's desire to graph web page backlinks, which ultimately led to the development of the search engine known as Google.

To think that you can hide your affiliations by using different IP addresses is laughable to anyone who understands how large scale search engines work.

Hmm… What affiliations are your referring to? Google is not god. They have a lot of information they collect but webpages registered to different people/companies hosted on separate IP's registered to different people/companies (which is what smart SEO's and SEO Hosting companies would do) would be nearly impossible for them to track down. If you are referring to a link footprint, then that is all up to how smart the SEO is about leaving that footprint. I won't even really touch on the fact that SEO hosting works. Many people have the rankings to prove it.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dp40oz

Hmm... What affiliations are your referring to? Google is not god. They have a lot of information they collect but webpages registered to different people/companies hosted on separate IP's registered to different people/companies (which is what smart SEO's and SEO Hosting companies would do) would be nearly impossible for them to track down. If you are referring to a link footprint, then that is all up to how smart the SEO is about leaving that footprint. I won't even really touch on the fact that SEO hosting works. Many people have the rankings to prove it.

Hi dp40oz,

The only "affiliations" Google Search pays any attention to are links to and from web pages. Affiliations = Links.

Let me be clear, IP addresses are not part of the PageRank algorithm. IP addresses are not a ranking factor at all. The use of different IP addresses have no impact whatsoever on ranking in SERPs. There is never any influence of rankings based in IP addreses, ever. Rankings are based on content on your page and the content on pages that are linked with your page, regardless of IP address.

Anyone who tries to convince you that the use of different IP addresses on linked pages adds value, or that the use of the same IP address diminishes value, is misleading you. Link diversity is important, while IP diversity is not a factor in rankling.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Let me be clear, IP addresses are not part of the PageRank algorithm. IP addresses are not a ranking factor at all. The use of different IP addresses have no impact whatsoever on ranking in SERPs. There is never any influence of rankings based in IP addreses, ever. Rankings are based on content on your page and the content on pages that are linked with your page, regardless of IP address.

Anyone who tries to convince you that the use of different IP addresses on linked pages adds value, or that the use of the same IP address diminishes value, is misleading you. Link diversity is important, while IP diversity is not a factor in rankling.

:rolleyes: Sigh......thats a red herring. Has nothing to do with why people say use separate Ip addresses. Its not for a ranking factor at all its for the protection of the network itself. You completely miss the point.

Anyway you want to swing it say 20 links to your site coming from the same IP address is a footprint. The idea that google has xray vision and can tell your affiliations between your network sites is just flat out wrong. Outside of being clumsy in how you link the only way Google can tell affiliations is if all your network is on the same IP or they decide to violate privacy of whois. For all the talk of Google being a registrar there is ZERO evidence that a registrar is allowed to violate whois for any other purpose than relates to registrar business.

Now I know you do not agree with building networks but thats not the OPs question. IF he is thinking about building a network then yes he should have domains on separate IPs. Now that does not necessarily have to be with a SEO host. You can use more than one provider of regular hosting and you will get separate class C Ips and you can use a host that has many datacenters and get numerous class C Ips.

Just a TON load of misinformation in this thread. Every single working domain is mapped to an IP address. The internet is run on IP Addresses. In any kind of manual review if all your links are coming form domains mapped to the same IP its a GLARING indicator to Google.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

:rolleyes: Sigh......thats a red herring. Has nothing to do with why people say use separate Ip addresses. Its not for a ranking factor at all its for the protection of the network itself. You completely miss the point.

Anyway you want to swing it say 20 links to your site coming from the same IP address is a footprint. The idea that google has xray vision and can tell your affiliations between your network sites is just flat out wrong. Outside of being clumsy in how you link the only way Google can tell affiliations is if all your network is on the same IP or they decide to violate privacy of whois. For all the talk of Google being a registrar there is ZERO evidence that a registrar is allowed to violate whois for any other purpose than relates to registrar business.

Now I know you do not agree with building networks but thats not the OPs question. IF he is thinking about building a network then yes he should have domains on separate IPs. Now that does not necessarily have to be with a SEO host. You can use more than one provider of regular hosting and you will get separate class C Ips and you can use a host that has many datacenters and get numerous class C Ips.

Just a TON load of misinformation in this thread. Every single working domain is mapped to an IP address. The internet is run on IP Addresses. In any kind of manual review if all your links are coming form domains mapped to the same IP its a GLARING indicator to Google.

Hi Mike,

You seemed to have missed my point, since IP addresses are not a ranking factor there is nothing detrimental about using the same IP for anything that is legitimate, and if you are doing something that is taboo in Google's view, using different IP address will not disguise your affiliation, therefore nothing positive is accomplished in regard to Google's awareness. I point this out because a lot of people have been misled to believe that is the case.

There is nothing wrong with using different hosts to protect the availability of your network and mitigate the scope of hosting center issues, but that isn't SEO hosting and there is no extra charge, as there is for "SEO hosting", when you do that.

20 links from the same IP are treated exactly the same as 20 links from different IPs. The footprint that Google uses (links) is the same regardless of the IP address differences, or similarities. Google doesn't need to know the owner's name to take action on a network that is in violation of their webmaster guidelines. It doesn't matter if different people own the sites that are in violation or if it is the same person, the action Google will take will be identical in either case.

Perhaps you can hide your affiliation from someone without the resources of Google, but that is outside the scope of this discussion.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike,

You seemed to have missed my point, since IP addresses are not a ranking factor there is nothing detrimental about using the same IP for anything that is legitimate, and if you are doing something that is taboo in Google's view, using different IP address will not disguise your affiliation, therefore nothing positive is accomplished in regard to Google's awareness.

Thats the whole issue Don. You are ignoring the context of why people suggest separate IPs to begin with and thus making up a strawman. You are off on some point that has nothing to do with why most people use SEOhosting/seperate Ip addresses. They use them in developing SEO networks which is from google's standpoint not encouraged. And whether you wish to admit it or not using different IP addresses along with other things WILL help to disguise the affiliation. I've already explained the most obvious way.

20 links from the same IP are treated exactly the same as 20 links from different IPs. The footprint that Google uses (links) is the same regardless of the IP address differences, or similarities.

Don't know what you are talking about Don but everybody in this thread is talking about footprints as in what would connect all sites together. For the second time (Actually third because someone else pointed it out as well) it has nothing to do with ranking or the algo. Its to protect the network itself. IF the op just wants to have 20 sites and not link to other properties and each other than sure he can use just the one host on a same Ip but that won't make the use of class C IPs/Seo hosting a scam. If his intent is to link to another site or link them together it has a logical and advantageous use. Your claim that the only thing that google looks at is links is false precisely because again we are not talking about ranking or the algo we are talking about in the process of a manual review or the triggers that may lead to one.

Perhaps you can hide your affiliation from someone without the resources of Google, but that is outside the scope of this discussion.

Sorry but what SEO hosting is used for is NOT outside the scope of this discussion. Its a very strong part of it. You cannot say that something is a scam just because you are not using it for what it is used predominantly for.

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dburk

14 years ago

LOL, Funny how you quote my comment about footprints to say:

"Don't know what you are talking about Don but everybody in this thread is talking about footprints as in what would connect all sites together."

For the sake of clarity, I said what I said in the correct context, not the one you are asserting, though it would be true in that context, as well.

And let me see if I have your position clear, you think since a Google reviewer doesn't see the same IP address, or the same whois information that they will somehow miss the fact that the sites are linked as a network? Or that they apply different rules to networks that have privacy enabled on their whois data? I am sorry, I just don't buy into that.

I said what I said and if you disagree, fine, spend your money on cargo cult science, it's no skin off my nose.

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satrap

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

... you think since a Google reviewer doesn't see the same IP address, or the same whois information that they will somehow miss the fact that the sites are linked as a network? ...

If links pointing to a site would be enough for Google reviewer to determine that a site belongs to a blog network, then almost every website in the world would be seen as a site belonging to a blog network.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by satrap

If links pointing to a site would be enough for Google reviewer to determine that a site belongs to a blog network, then almost every website in the world would be seen as a site belonging to a blog network.

Hi satrap,

You are right! I think you have got it.

Maybe we should come up with a catchy term for that, we could call it the "World Wide Web" oh... wait... someone has already beat us to this concept.

Sorry to be cheeky, but it really is that simple.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

And let me see if I have your position clear, you think since a Google reviewer doesn't see the same IP address, or the same whois information that they will somehow miss the fact that the sites are linked as a network?

Don you simply do not understand the issues. A well put together network will look no different that 20 unrelated sites linking to a money site. THEY DO NOT LINK TO EACH OTHER. They link to a money site. You are stuck thinking about these rental SEO networks not the ones people build privately. Its like you think there is some sign on them saying "here is a network".

Or that they apply different rules to networks that have privacy enabled on their whois data? I am sorry, I just don't buy into that.

Again don't know what you are talking about Don. There are no different rules. The whole point is them NOT being able to identify them not treating them different when they are identified.

I said what I said and if you disagree, fine, spend your money on cargo cult science, it's no skin off my nose.

The whole point of discussing something in a forum is to present the case and scrutinize the evidence. Simple pronouncing some name on something with the inability to back up your points is just noise not information. I don't particularly care what you claim either but its people who don't know better and listen to you that will suffer so here I am.

To illustrate it to other people in this thread. Heres a simple scenario.

Lets say you rank for something you never have before after you place links from your network to your site. The site that used to rank number one is now behind you and has lost position, traffic and money. The owner is ticked and checks your backlinks and HE decides to report you with his suspicion of some of your link coming from a network. He's not sure but hey it doesn't cost him anything and maybe Google will ding you and he can move back up.

Well it comes up for review after being reported and Google starts to check your backlinks. Hopefully you've mixed in some links and your network sites are legit in content etc. Lets say though one of your sites is a little thin and the Reviewer thinks well its borderline maybe it is a bought link or something manipulative so they take a closer look and while they do the see the ip address and then that you have 20-30 or your main links coming from the same exact IP address only just different domains. Now to the reasonable people out there - will it not look unusual that for some odd reason a high percentage of your best links on different domains just miraculously comes from the same server IP address with no control from you and increase the chance that the Google reviewer will decide there is something going on? come on......

is this not just ordinary common sense?

So would a service that gives you the appearance of not being on the same server sharing the same IP (I actually suggest multiple services with different Ip address as I indicated before -not necessarily a SEO host) have some reasonable use? Of course - so the scam charge can't stand up to scrutiny no matter how much hand waving and no counter explanation is given.

Anyone looking to build a network should safely disregard any advice of putting them all on one IP until there is a counter point that is equally common sense.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Don you simply do not understand the issues. A well put together network will look no different that 20 unrelated sites linking to a money site. THEY DO NOT LINK TO EACH OTHER. They link to a money site. You are stuck thinking about these rental SEO networks not the ones people build privately. Its like you think there is some sign on them saying "here is a network".

Again don't know what you are talking about Don. There are no different rules. The whole point is them NOT being able to identify them not treating them different when they are identified.

The whole point of discussing something in a forum is to present the case and scrutinize the evidence. Simple pronouncing some name on something with the inability to back up your points is just noise not information. I don't particularly care what you claim either but its people who don't know better and listen to you that will suffer so here I am.

To illustrate it to other people in this thread. Heres a simple scenario.

Lets say you rank for something you never have before after you place links from your network to your site. The site that used to rank number one is now behind you and has lost position, traffic and money. The owner is ticked and checks your backlinks and HE decides to report you with his suspicion of some of your link coming from a network. He's not sure but hey it doesn't cost him anything and maybe Google will ding you and he can move back up.

Well it comes up for review after being reported and Google starts to check your backlinks. Hopefully you've mixed in some links and your network sites are legit in content etc. Lets say though one of your sites is a little thin and the Reviewer thinks well its borderline maybe it is a bought link or something manipulative so they take a closer look and while they do the see the ip address and then that you have 20-30 or your main links coming from the same exact IP address only just different domains. Now to the reasonable people out there - will it not look unusual that for some odd reason a high percentage of your best links on different domains just miraculously comes from the same server IP address with no control from you and increase the chance that the Google reviewer will decide there is something going on? come on......

is this not just ordinary common sense?

So would a service that gives you the appearance of not being on the same server sharing the same IP (I actually suggest multiple services with different Ip address as I indicated before -not necessarily a SEO host) have some reasonable use? Of course - so the scam charge can't stand up to scrutiny no matter how much hand waving and no counter explanation is given.

Anyone looking to build a network should safely disregard any advice of putting them all on one IP until there is a counter point that is equally common sense.

Hi Mike,

You are completely wrong about what you think I think. I am the authority on what I think, not you. So please don't try to espouse what you think I think, you seem to be wrong each time you try. Instead, try asking me what I think, you might learn something.

For the record, here is what I do think:

I think networks are just fine, I think Google thinks networks are just fine. In fact, I believe that the whole point of the world wide web is to create web pages and link them together into networks. It seems to me that Google shares that viewpoint. In my opinion, you and I seem to differ on this premise.

I always try to make my networks as visible to Google as possible. I want them to discover every possible link and affiliation, and to see how well this serves users. This wasn't my original idea, if you look around you will see that most successful websites have all followed this concept.

I find the whole notion of trying to hide networks from Google laughable, because, in my opinion, it defeats the whole purpose of networking pages together in the first place.

I realize that you are trying to hide the fact that your network is all owned by the same party, that your competitors may discover your private network and report it to Google. I guess that we differ in that I want Google to see my network and how much value is added to the web by the web pages in my network.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying my networks are somehow better than yours, just that Google likes to see networks and Google views networks as really good things as long as the network is good for users.

As webmasters we view our own web pages as part of a website and when we own multiple websites that are linked in someway we view this as a private network of websites. Google sees your network based on it's links, not ownership and not IP addresses, and does not care at all if your network is owned by the same party or multiple parties, they only care that your network is valuable to users and not violating Webmaster Guidelines.

My primary assertion is that you need to make you networks as visible as possible, for both users and Google, if you want them to be effective. I can see reasons that you may not want your competitors to know what you are doing, but to hide you network from Google seems counterproductive to me. The whole concept of authority is based upon the size and strength of your network, the fact that you own part of your network is not viewed by Google as a negative.

Now, if you are in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines, I can certainly understand that you do not want Google to discover that fact. However, a Google quality reviewer will have no difficulty following backlinks, hiding you ownership will not prevent them from following backlinks and discovering your entire network.

Perhaps if you have multiple networks organized as separate cells that do not interlink, you may succeed at hiding those non-linked compartmentalized networks for a bit longer. But all that subterfuge is only necessary if you are up to dubious activity. I just want it to be clear to webmasters that are following Google's webmaster guidelines that you do not need to hide you network from Google and that doing so is counterproductive to establishing authority for your web pages.

The key to gaining web page authority is to build a large and strong network of linked pages that contain quality content. Link them together in way that is helpful to users and get as much exposure as possible to your network of linked pages. There is nothing wrong with compartmentalizing your networks if it fits your strategy in dealing with competitors. There is no reason to hide your networks from Google if you are following webmaster guidelines or not up to other dubious activities.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by dburk

Hi Mike,

You are completely wrong about what you think I think. I am the authority on what I think, not you. So please don't try to espouse what you think I think, you seem to be wrong each time you try.

My apologies Don I admit I had not given much thought to the body snatcher possibility. I assumed that when you wrote something it was you writing and not some other entity and yes you have in the past made statements to that effect. You point is taken though.

as for that wall of text that is mostly off point like you said no skin off my nose. I disagree and will continue to because I know what I am talking about and people who follow you will run into trouble because you don't.

I mean who doesn't want Google to see and crawl through their site? You are just playing word games . No one is talking anywhere about blocking Google from crawling their site. :rolleyes:

We are talking about not showing a connection between individual sites . Rant on again about Google being able to automatically know that a site linking to you is part of a network. Its nonsense. If you don't have ownership info and they don't link to each other themselves and the sites all have reasonable content theres no pixie fairy dust Google reviewers sprinkle on them to show quantum entanglement.

Google has long been known to tell people they do not like people linking their own sites for seo purposes. They want any extensive linking like that to be done through nofollow. Thanks for the unneeded reminder the whole internet is a network. Its not what is being discussed. If you want you can stick your head in the sand but I don't intend on letting anyone else go away with the false idea that you should stick all your sites on one IP.

As for the whole webmaster guidelines thing. I signed no agreement with google for them to crawl my site. I'll put a dofollow link where it suits me provided that it suits me. There is absolutely no business precedent outside of antitrust laws that indicate a business should not use all of its assets to promote another sister business or site. Its ludicrous. I would be sympathetic to Google if the claim that the search results should not be manipulated by resources or cash were true but the left themselves without a moral or logical point when they started selling the top three spots.

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paulgl

14 years ago

If you are not doing bad things, the point is moot.

If you are doing bad things, the point is moot.

The part about SEO hosting that is a scam, is
telling people you get some SEO boost. Far
from it.

The world runs on shared IPs.

Paying for something called "seo hosting," in hopes
of getting some juice, is just flat out a lie.

You don't think google knows amazon owns imdb.com,
audible.com, boxofficemojo.com, etc. even though
they are on different servers? All of amazon's zillion
sites interlink. And tell you up front that each site
is owned by amazon.

So if google actually gave a rip about multiple sites
linking up, same IP or not, they would punish big
sites for doing it, as they leave a huge footprint.

Ditto for gasbuddy, go.com, about.com, zap2it,
icanhazcheezburger, wikipedia, etc. Same ip or not.

But, we can agree to disagree on this one.

Paul

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

If you are not doing bad things, the point is moot.

If you are doing bad things, the point is moot.

The part about SEO hosting that is a scam, is
telling people you get some SEO boost. Far
from it.

The world runs on shared IPs.

Paying for something called "seo hosting," in hopes
of getting some juice, is just flat out a lie.

Someones hope cannot automatically be some elses lie. Thats nonsense. Now if you find some SEO host claiming that you get more juice because you use different IPS that would be a lie. Quite a few don't so the whole tirade has just been exposed to be straw.

I in fact recommend people get different shared IP hosts just as others have suggested but the idea that seperate Ips being offered just by itself without the claim that it gives you more juice as some kind of scam? Bleh just some empty rhetoric.

You don't think google knows amazon owns imdb.com,
audible.com, boxofficemojo.com, etc. even though
they are on different servers? All of amazon's zillion
sites interlink. And tell you up front that each site
is owned by amazon.

So what? Thats like trying to make a point off of Wikipedia ranking. is the average small business like Amazon? JC penney sent unnatural backlinks galore a year plus ago and got a once month slap on the hand because they are JCpenney. There are people who have had their sites slapped for unnatural links from August of last year and never came back. Make a point stick using the average site not industry leaders and big corps. Only in a dream world is everyone on an equal level.

I've made the exact same point you just made several times in this forum. Big corporate sites link to their other sites all the time. Thats why there is nothing unethical about using your own sites but in the real world people do not see Abc.com linking to Disney and ESPN etc the way they view Joe Bloe linking from all his blogs to his ecommerce site in order to rank it.

Tomorrow CNN could buy A small company with a PR 5 page and in a few weeks put a link on it back to their site and no one would say much but If I go out an buy a PR5 domain and place my link on it with a half decent site there are plenty of people who call that grey hat etc.

In fact its only a matter of scale. Once however you know how the world operates with scale you would be an idiot to think you are going to get the same consideration and benefit of the doubt as a multimillion dollar company or household brand name. Sorry thats not how the world works. Hence put your sites on different IPs.

Its really simple.

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paulgl 14 years ago

JCP had nothing to do with SEO hosting.

I always tell people to copy the big boys. If it
works for amazon, gasbuddy, icanhazcheezburger,
a zillion others.....

Why would I not aspire to be one of the BIG BOYS?

On at least one site, I feel I'm almost there!

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- Mike Anthony 14 years ago
  
  [quote=paulgl;6112637]JCP had nothing to do with SEO hosting.[quote]
  
  and who said it did. The point was simple. You can't take a big corporation and compare it to a small company or one man show. What a big company gets away with (jcpenney with only one month) a small guy won't (lots of people have gotten tanked far longer that JC penney for doing the same thing)
  
  I always tell people to copy the big boys. If it
  works for amazon
  
  So you tell people to go out and get venture capitalists and get millions of dollars operating cash along with full time PR people and an entire staff etc. Good and how many of them get the cash?
  
  Why would I not aspire to be one of the BIG BOYS?
  
  On at least one site, I feel I'm almost there!
  
  Paul
  
  rather doubt it. the CEO of a major site like Amazon wouldn't have the time to be here arguing about SEO hosting and a bunch of other stuff. I get a site like Amazon I wouldn't be here talking to you suckers as much as I do.
  
  Keep it real Paul.
  
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Nicky Papers

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Just a TON load of misinformation in this thread. Every single working domain is mapped to an IP address. The internet is run on IP Addresses. In any kind of manual review if all your links are coming form domains mapped to the same IP its a GLARING indicator to Google.

I couldn't agree with you more Mike. Well said!

It seems like everyone wants their own private network to swing with the big boys but in reality most people that "want" a network are not capable drafting the schematics to create a network and run it properly with automation in mind.

More importantly, create the network so that positive SERP gains are realized for the sites that are promoted. Build it with its intended purpose in mind.

C-Class diversification is a must. Even if it's only 20 sites, it is important to use good habits so that you scale properly in the future.

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TDogger

14 years ago

@deburk, your points are correct, but there is one exception to the value issue. That is when you want to interlink sites. The idea behind using separate class C IPs is to put some separation between sites. Your cannot do that if they are all on the same IP address. Theoretically, different class C IPs are normally found on different servers, but that is not the case for VPS, dedicated or SEO hosting.

However, all of the value of using different class C IPs to hide behind can get blown out the door when you consider that Google is a registrar and they can see WHOIS data, even when it is behind a privacy registration. When Google went after blog networks in March, there were plenty of network sites on SEO hosting that were de-indexed. Google appears to have followed the WHOIS registrations and de-indexed a large number of sites that were not even part of the blog networks, but they were registered to people who had sites in the networks.

Big Brother is watching.

My current theory says that if you are going to build a blog network and want to use it to provide backlink, you need to separate the sites on different servers and use different WHOIS accounts. Using SEO hosting may have worked in the past, but probably will not work the same today. The IPs can easily be traced to the same hosting company. This is easy to do with a couple of lines of code.

None of this has anything to do with ranking benefits, except for the benefits you may receive from the backlinks that you set up among different sites in the network. Other than the linking benefit, separate IPs offer no other SEO advantages. If an SEO hosting company is saying something different, they are trying to scam you.

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dburk

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TDogger

@deburk, your points are correct, but there is one exception to the value issue. That is when you want to interlink sites. The idea behind using separate class C IPs is to put some separation between sites. Your cannot do that if they are all on the same IP address. Theoretically, different class C IPs are on differnt servers, but that is not the case for VPS, dedicated or SEO hosting.

However, all of the value of using different class C IPs to hide behind can get blown out the door when you consider that Google is a registrar and they can see WHOIS data, even when it is behind a privacy registration. When Google went after blog networks in March, there were plenty of network sites on SEO hosting that were de-indexed. Google appears to have followed the WHOIS registrations and de-indexed a large number of sites that were not even part of the blog networks, but they were registered to people who had sites in the networks.

Big Brother is watching.

Hi TDogger,

I disagree with your assertion that IP addresses have any influence over the value of backlinks "when you want to interlink sites". Those links will carry the same weight whether on the same IP, or same domain, as long as they are on separate documents. Study the PageRank algorithm to see why, or just try it on your own website, you will see what I mean. IP addresses have no effect on link diversity, only adding more links to your web will do that.

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paulgl

14 years ago

SEO hosting is one of the items on the list titled,
"Voodoo SEO."

Thinking that something entirely distanced from SEO
is going to affect SEO, is voodoo SEO.

Like most items on the list, it is sold by resellers of
hosting.

If any of these things worked, there would be no SEO,
no warriorforum, no nothing. Just start up a site, do
all on the list, wham-o! Riches abound! Nothing on the
list is SEO. It's really about getting around doing any SEO.

Paul

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

SEO hosting is one of the items on the list titled,
"Voodoo SEO."

Thinking that something entirely distanced from SEO
is going to affect SEO, is voodoo SEO.
Paul

Paul you have just followed Don into thinking anyone states anything about just separate IPs giving you a boost. Separate IPs is for protection of the network itself. Not only is it not voodoo SEO there are ton loads of sites ranking in some very competitive serps using networks and by far most of them are built on a variety of separate class C IPs.

BMR may have gotten deindexed but to claim they were practicing Voodoo SEo is fact proven false

Originally Posted by TDogger

However, all of the value of using different class C IPs to hide behind can get blown out the door when you consider that Google is a registrar and they can see WHOIS data, even when it is behind a privacy registration.

Thats an oft repeated claim but I have yet to see any evidence of that. It would have legal repercussions if a registrar violated the whois privacy bought from another registrar just for it s own non registrar reason. For a quick explanation of why even google may be unable to see a whois entry protected by whois privacy see here

http://davezan.com/google-pierce-whois-privacy.html

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jamessmbseo

14 years ago

SEO hosting easily to get noticed bu search engines, since all the IPs are registered in one hostine company.

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Kingfish85

14 years ago

SEO hosting is the biggest waste of IP addresses. If you have quality content and don't try to build fake backlink link farms trying to game the search engines, there's no need for this so called "SEO Hosting".

Does it work? Sure, it works, not forever though. Do it right from the beginning and you'll never need this stuff. With the shortage on IP addresses, it's only a matter of time before data centers start confiscating IP addresses from people using them for fake product review sites.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

SEO hosting is the biggest waste of IP addresses. If you have quality content and don't try to build fake backlink link farms trying to game the search engines, there's no need for this so called "SEO Hosting".

Does it work? Sure, it works, not forever though. Do it right from the beginning and you'll never need this stuff. With the shortage on IP addresses, it's only a matter of time before data centers start confiscating IP addresses from people using them for fake product review sites.

Overall your point has some validity but its far too simplistic to claim that all sites being utilized as SEO networks are in fact junk and not done right from the beginning. I can show you insurance companies and job site networks for example where all the sites are real sites and they are on separate IPs and ARE also being used to rank other company properties. Its the way business is always done. offline companies always use company assets to help promote other wings of their business and online its no different.

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GMT

14 years ago

It depends on the company really and IP location. Someone posted a video earlier where a Google engineer spoke about server location playing a roll in how that site ranks for that particular region. So if your main demographic is Indian consumers you'll want a web host in India, ideally.

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radivoj

14 years ago

I am using SEO hosting provider as well Hostgator and never had a single problem so far...

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uoftenwinny

14 years ago

seo hosting is too easy for google to find.

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talking

14 years ago

It's not scam if it's used from the right companies like aseohosting and seohosting.
Both are respectable and decent.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Is SEO hosting a scam? No.

Before you go all out claiming that something is "a scam", you need to:

1. Understand what a scam is.
2. Know what you're talking about. Talk from experience, not out of your ass (which is what most of you are doing).

That being said, I fully agree with Mike (and that doesn't happen often).

Just one thing - I don't use "SEO hosting", because there's a huge footprint with most (all) hosts - your "neighbours" are all going to be blog network properties. Think about it. They don't sell sequential IPs to YOU, but who do you think your "IP neighbours" are?

Go with a bunch of small shared hosting plans instead (and use a variety of providers).

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