Google algo change today?

14 years ago

Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.

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Lyanna 14 years ago

Originally Posted by momo3

Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.

Same. I feel really bad because I really worked hard and my sites are good quality.
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ketset 14 years ago

Originally Posted by momo3

Yse I am too. It has just happened. I have lost a massive massive amount of rankings for my entire business. I am feeling borderline suicidal.

I agree, i mentioned in another post i had actually lost some sites altogether!? This is Google asserting their dominance in an era of no Competition - You must do what we say

Where's a good rival when you need one!? What about Facebook becoming a Search Engine!!
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Thinking_man_too

14 years ago

One of my best sites jut got hit today. So much for "Write good content" It was 100% niche focused. 100% custom content. Well written quality. No warnings from google and no explanation. Sites that are above it, a lot of them are crap.

Oh well. Time to figure out what the new game is.

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esmein

14 years ago

Same here. 100% unique, hand written. So much for trying to produce useful content. Google comes. Google judges. Google flips the table if it deems you unworthy.

They have every right to do so, I can understand that. I'm just sick and tired of slaving on content 8-10 hours a day for beans to see it fall like that.

Sometimes you just wonder if being straight-forward with your efforts pays off.

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athenistic

14 years ago

Hold on to your hats, guys - this update smells really funny.

I've lost all rankings to pages - they aren't even showing up at all, but I have a massive increase of rankings for tag and category pages.

All that and I'm still on first page for my main keyword.

Methinks this is another blip. Don't do anything rash - I wouldn't be surprised if it were sorted out by morning.

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aygabtu 14 years ago

While some of my link building may have been very promotional, the site I was promoting was much better than the competition. The problem is it was very competitive niche and most sites have been around for 5-10+ years with 100's of thousands of back links, with some over a million!

How do you compete with that if you are building one link at a time or hoping someone make a link back to you? There is no way those other sites got to where they are by having their backlinks done naturally!!!

I am at a loss right now. I have slaved over this for months!!
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mrozlat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by athenistic

Hold on to your hats, guys - this update smells really funny.

I've lost all rankings to pages - they aren't even showing up at all, but I have a massive increase of rankings for tag and category pages.

All that and I'm still on first page for my main keyword.

Methinks this is another blip. Don't do anything rash - I wouldn't be surprised if it were sorted out by morning.

what i do like is the fact is that one of my sites has a video embedded in the content, and now in the search listing the video shows up next to the listing... GOLD !! that site I haven't been maintaining yet it is still on page one and REALLY stands out in the search results !! will be pushing this to #1 for all keywords

although i did notice that some of my rankings are no longer home page or deep link and category pages instead... weird!

another site seems to have dropped off the radar... although i have just started link building for that again, so I'm guessing google dance.

and another site is same as always... can't get higher than #3 lol

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14 years ago

Not sure anyone has seen this yet....

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Another step to reward high-quality sites

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saxenar

14 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Not sure anyone has seen this yet....

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Another step to reward high-quality sites

"Reward High-Quality Sites"
Ha Ha Ha.
On one of the biggest keyword "Make Money Online" there is a blank wordpress page on the top 10 (#7 in USA). With ONLY 1 SINGLE WORD- Make.
So the definition of 'High Quality site' is- It should be light weight, neat & clean (every empty thing can).
Remove your all content, keep only in domain/sub domain/page name.
& Title, off course- 'Make'
P.S.- Latest this site is now #1 on above keyword.
Follow New Rule ASAP.

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plsearch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by saxenar

"Reward High-Quality Sites"
Ha Ha Ha.
On one of the biggest keyword "Make Money Online" there is a blank wordpress page on the top 10 (#7 in USA). With ONLY 1 SINGLE WORD- Make.
So the definition of 'High Quality site' is- It should be light weight, neat & clean (every empty thing can).
Remove your all content, keep only in domain/sub domain/page name.
& Title, off course- 'Make'
P.S.- Latest this site is now #1 on above keyword.
Follow New Rule ASAP.

Agreed, this update doesn't look for the better. One product in our niche is used by walmart and sold by amazon but is totally non relevant for almost every search. Up until yesterday the sites that ranked sold the other type of product that people were actually looking for. Now Google is just ranking the main manufacturer of said ****ty product, amazon, walmart, and some affiliate.

Way to go Google, this update is ****!

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wolfmmiii

14 years ago

ugh...So we are back to "make money online" returning an empty page on the first page of serps? Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy.....

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kduncan773 14 years ago

Lost all my page 1 rankings for the homepage due to the update. Though the interior pages are ranking still.

I have noticed that my homepage rankings are swinging a lot, from 300 to 90 back to 200 - all within a couple of hours.

This might be a glitch (hopefully).
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Architex

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mrultra

Check out the results for viagra. Two compromised sites on page one, and the bottom two sites have nothing to do with viagra whatsoever. Page two is just as good. Page 3 gets even better, lol. The authority site viagra.com...nowhere to be found.

OMFG what the hell is Google doing? #8 is for University of Kentucky and an evaluation page. I hope you do not need Viagra for your evaluation.

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aygabtu 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Architex

OMFG what the hell is Google doing? #8 is for University of Kentucky and an evaluation page. I hope you do not need Viagra for your evaluation.

I just looked at the Viagra results! OMG! Several compromised sites in the top 10? WTF?!?!?!
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wAvision

14 years ago

same here ....lost ranking for most of the words i was ranking for...but as someone else mentioned am still on page 1 of google for main keyword....before today i was rank #1, this morning #2, noon #4 and now #7..........all other words i was on page 1 for are gone....on page like 9 for the one....ugh....

you really think this is a blip?

lost 90% of traffic to my site...wow

any more info??

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Thinking_man_too

14 years ago

Now it looks like almost all of my sites were hit. HARD

A few of the sites NEVER had any link building done ZERO. they were 2 of my original sites that i built before I new about links and never bothered to afterwords as by then I new enough to realize that the niches were not very good.

I am deleting all my google analytics and webmaster tracking as the only thing I can think of at this point is google hit all the sites I OWNED. Related them to eachother and devalued all of them.

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1stpage 14 years ago

I am seeing major changes on all of the keywords I am monitoring. From a first glance it appears that..

* "fuzzy" relevance is turned up - almost like LSI although Google is getting the relationships wrong in *some* cases (not all) where as A is not the same as B but rather loosely related conceptually (at best) but in reality are apples and oranges.

* Interior pages from established sites favored even when not particularly relevant (or "fuzzy" as above)

* Homepages devalued or pushed down by interior pages on larger sites or have disappeared entirely

* I have spotted some pages from 2001 - 2004 showing up out of nowhere for some terms (just plain odd)

These are just my first impressions, I haven't yet looked in depth at backlinks to these pages or anything else. I do think something major is going on - I have not seen such a drastic change all at once in ages.

Glitch? I certainly hope so for the users benefit because the results I'm looking at are lacking relevancy big time.
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Duncan

14 years ago

I got ripped too;

All I have been trying to do is what Google Asks,

Unique content
internal links to more helpful material
external links to helpful stuff w/o affiliate links
video,
pics

I had a bounce rate of under 1%, people stayed on my blog for nearly 4 minutes, and went to 3 or 4 different posts. Every comment was positive. Still got ripped.

And slam

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iAmNameLess

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Duncan

I got ripped too;

All I have been trying to do is what Google Asks,

Unique content
internal links to more helpful material
external links to helpful stuff w/o affiliate links
video,
pics

I had a bounce rate of under 1%, people stayed on my blog for nearly 4 minutes, and went to 3 or 4 different posts. Every comment was positive. Still got ripped.

And slam

Can you show me a screen shot of that? I want to believe you, but a bounce rate of under 1% is virtually impossible.

What was your backlinking like?
Did you have adsense on your website?

I have noticed a lot of sites being hit that had anything over 2.5% keyword density. I also noticed sites that have an h1 tag are doing well if they have 6-9 h2 tags following that with different keywords.

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realworld

14 years ago

@iAmNameLess ... glad to hear somebody was not hit

. Enjoy the moment as I did thinking all was well. I had a couple of top notch sites over the years and never had any issues until now. I simply thought it was another update to catch those who abuse the system - NOT

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Google claims only 3% of results were impacted - seriously? I think something went wrong. If there were only a small handful of people with issues, maybe. The cream did not rise to top

. Crappy old sites are at the top with owners that did nothing to get there.

How does G know if a competitor did not intentionally black hat another site only to get them off the main page? G has become a big joke in the world of search engines.

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RazorElite

14 years ago

If proper sites were replaced with proper sites this would be more understandable. However, in most cases established sites are replaced with really poor results. Sites that are outdated, have little content are hardly related to your search. I thought the whole point of a search engine was to serve what we're looking for.

I've been comparing a lot of Bing and Google searches and Bing searches have been way more relevant in the majority of cases. This was never so. If Google doesn't make some changes I think users could start noticing this and Bing and Yahoo just might be able to take advantage. I know I've already switched over to Bing and will only switch back if I can reliably get good results from Google again.

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realworld

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RazorElite

If Google doesn't make some changes I think users could start noticing this and Bing and Yahoo just might be able to take advantage. I know I've already switched over to Bing and will only switch back if I can reliably get good results from Google again.

I fully agree. I have switched to Bing simply because of the results and have told countless people to do the same. I also feel a quick press release to the local news will help educate the everyday user.

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kthor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by realworld

@iAmNameLess ... glad to hear somebody was not hit

. Enjoy the moment as I did thinking all was well. I had a couple of top notch sites over the years and never had any issues until now. I simply thought it was another update to catch those who abuse the system - NOT

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Google claims only 3% of results were impacted - seriously? I think something went wrong. If there were only a small handful of people with issues, maybe. The cream did not rise to top

. Crappy old sites are at the top with owners that did nothing to get there.

How does G know if a competitor did not intentionally black hat another site only to get them off the main page? G has become a big joke in the world of search engines.

seems like the 3% all come from WF LOL - I feel like the Secret Service agency getting caught up on a big scandal

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HCRoyo 14 years ago

[QUOTE=iAmNameLess;6136500]Can you show me a screen shot of that? I want to believe you, but a bounce rate of under 1% is virtually impossible.

I have a site with 1.57% bounce rate, close to under 1% ! (Now it's gone, thanks to Penguin. People are lucky if they find it in the garbage results)
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BillWynne

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thinking_man_too

Now it looks like almost all of my sites were hit. HARD

A few of the sites NEVER had any link building done ZERO. they were 2 of my original sites that i built before I new about links and never bothered to afterwords as by then I new enough to realize that the niches were not very good.

I am deleting all my google analytics and webmaster tracking as the only thing I can think of at this point is google hit all the sites I OWNED. Related them to eachother and devalued all of them.

I have all my sites on the same server and all listed in Analytics and one has been hit but others are getting better. I can't see that as a way for Google to smell something fishy and devalue all the sites on the account.

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paul nicholls

14 years ago

ive not noticed any change to my sites. My newest adsense site which i built about a month ago continues to rise in the serps :-)

i drastically try to improve my bounce rate and time on site on all of my new adsense sites now and it def helps in rankings

paul

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TheAdsenseGuy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paul nicholls

ive not noticed any change to my sites. My newest adsense site which i built about a month ago continues to rise in the serps :-)

i drastically try to improve my bounce rate and time on site on all of my new adsense sites now and it def helps in rankings

paul

Hey Paul,

Can you tell us exactly what type of backlinking you were doing? Were you using spun content?
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momo3

14 years ago

I need people to tell me its just a glitch. I feel completely terrible. I personally feel if G does not roll some of this back, that this may effect the economy. I'd say its the biggest change G has ever done.

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aygabtu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by momo3

I need people to tell me its just a glitch. I feel completely terrible. I personally feel if G does not roll some of this back, that this may effect the economy. I'd say its the biggest change G has ever done.

I agree, this really really sucks! I've been using google adwords since the site was launched, spending around $750 per month to drive traffic to the site. This was losing me money every month up until this month, which I was on track to turn a small profit. All that money wasted?!?!?!

Come on google! Get rid of the crap sites, but don't trash the good sites trying to promote themselves against long standing fierce competition!!!

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Franksol

14 years ago

Is it confirmed that G has rolled a new update? Does this has anything to do with the recent killing of blog networks and penalizing sites?

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TheAdsenseGuy

14 years ago

Yup. All my 10 adsense authority sites got wacked. Had many page 1 rankings on each website. They are now between page 5 and nowhere.

There are some individual pages that are still ranked on the bottom of page 1 and 2. And hey what a surprise. I never did any backlinks to them using spun content. All the other pages I was using spun content for backlinks for the past year or so.

So thats probably what nuked my sites. Anyone else see that same pattern?

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aygabtu

14 years ago

Originally Posted by TheAdsenseGuy

Yup. All my 10 adsense authority sites got wacked. Had many page 1 rankings on each website. They are now between page 5 and nowhere.

There are some individual pages that are still ranked on the bottom of page 1 and 2. And hey what a surprise. I never did any backlinks to them using spun content. All the other pages I was using spun content for backlinks for the past year or so.

So thats probably what nuked my sites. Anyone else see that same pattern?

Maybe they aren't finished with me yet, but I still have a couple keywords not impacted or only dropped a few spots, but I used the same SEO techniques with all my keywords. Not sure why 90% of my keywords aren't even ranked anymore but some are(a very small number) are still in the top 10.

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wAvision

14 years ago

yeah this is bizarre...something seems wrong here....right?

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14 years ago

i checked 10minuts ago, no change with my sites serp. same as before.

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14 years ago

I'm thoroughly sick of Google.

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aygabtu 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RyanHogan

I'm thoroughly sick of Google.

I agree! They have all the data they should need with google analytics installed, plus cookies every where tracking our every move. Can't they tell from all that data what sites give the best user experience? So what if we promote our sites through tools and other automated methods that may costs us money. How the hell is that any different that Coke spending money to promote themselves to your kids with ads on kid channels or even us paying google to post our links through adwords?!?!

This is BS!
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  Your right there is no difference. It is a bunch of bunk. Screwoogle treats us like employees... They are not on my top places to work that is for sure. We need an alternative.
  
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wAvision

14 years ago

im not sure what went on during the other algo roll outs because this is the first one that affected me....but does all this seem fishy?

did this type of stuff happen during the other ones?

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tshay

14 years ago

Very weird - My best Adsense site, went from page 1/1st place to second place and I have 17 pages of great content. Now number one spot for my keyword has one page, and it only has 10 links on the page, no content, only the keyword in the domain name and it's a .com where mine has the keyword in the domain name but a .org.

Google is strange and I hope they will fix this.

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AprilCT 14 years ago

Google's ranking changes are a total roller coaster. They do this all the time and change the game entirely.

Are you getting any visitors from the other larger search engines? See if SEObook still has their Rank Checker tool available and working. It might not be a bad idea to also pay some attention to getting ranked on other SE's and not just Google alone.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by tshay

Very weird - My best Adsense site, went from page 1/1st place to second place and I have 17 pages of great content. Now number one spot for my keyword has one page, and it only has 10 links on the page, no content, only the keyword in the domain name and it's a .com where mine has the keyword in the domain name but a .org.

Google is strange and I hope they will fix this.

That is nothing. I have 1000's of pages of content, a PR 5 site, and 11 years old site and now I am nowhere to be found. I am glad I do not get the majority of my business off G. This is beyond ridiculous. I do not even rank for my companies name without the .com now and I was #1 earlier today and have been for years. My Facebook page ranks #4 though. Pretty LOL if you ask me. This will obviously have to be tweaked. The results are nowhere close to being helpful to the G user.

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wAvision

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Architex

That is nothing. I have 1000's of pages of content, a PR 5 site, and 11 years old site and now I am nowhere to be found. I am glad I do not get the majority of my business off G. This is beyond ridiculous. I do not even rank for my companies name without the .com now and I was #1 earlier today and have been for years. My Facebook page ranks #4 though. Pretty LOL if you ask me. This will obviously have to be tweaked. The results are nowhere close to being helpful to the G user.

this is my thinking....it cannot possibly stay like this can it?

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wAvision

14 years ago

im not sure...but i am hoping to wake up tomorrow and be sitting pretty again....my rankings dropped yesterday evening....i got a solid 23 visitors today....sick

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by wAvision

im not sure...but i am hoping to wake up tomorrow and be sitting pretty again....my rankings dropped yesterday evening....i got a solid 23 visitors today....sick

Yep, it is definitely inconsistent. I used the same SEO process for all my keywords and most dropped, but I still have a #1 positioned keyword, and a small handful in the top 5 and 10. But most dropped 50+ positions or aren't even ranked anymore.

Like I said, same site, different keywords going to different pages, but same on-page and off-page SEO technique.

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aygabtu 14 years ago

On Monday, the last day for Webmaster tools updates, I got 200,000 impressions for the site that got hit! I can't imagine what I will see tomorrow because of this crap!
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coronaborcalis

14 years ago

One of my website always got hit every time Panda comes but always back after couple of months and yes search engine is all about mystery and weirdness

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Ashera

14 years ago

Every single one of my sites found a major boost in the SERPS today, and the ones already at #1 are still there. Look's like my manual labor and white hat tactics are paying off. I do feel sorry for all that were hit by this but it's a wakeup call that automated SEO tactics and junk backlinks are only a temporary solutions.

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wAvision

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ashera

Every single one of my sites found a major boost in the SERPS today, and the ones already at #1 are still there. Look's like my manual labor and white hat tactics are paying off. I do feel sorry for all that were hit by this but it's a wakeup call that automated SEO tactics and junk backlinks are only a temporary solutions.

ive never used a single automation tool......as many others that got hit.......

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Ashera 14 years ago

Originally Posted by wAvision

ive never used a single automation tool......as many others that got hit.......

What's your site all about? Is the primary purpose to make money or can you honestly look at it from a 3rd party point of view and say that it provides a ton of useful content to the viewer without over optimizing to "give Google" what it wants?
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Yimes 14 years ago

Not everyone that got hit today used black hat or had bad content. I have a wide variety of sites ranging from sites about my interests to sites about my work. Most fared well with very little change up or down.

One site did get hit hard and for me it is the one I would have least expected.

The site is about a legal claim against an insurance company. I am a Lawyer by trade and I put this site together a couple years ago to help people make this specific type of claim without needing to hire an Attorney.

The content is 100% original and it clearly explains the claim and how to make it successfully. It was sitting at #5 for the main keyword and in the top 12 for several others. It is somewhere around page seven or lower now for all keywords. The first page now has sites relevant to the topic, but they are all sites looking to sell the information I was giving out for free.

I was not asking for anything in return and did not even have my name or telephone number of my Firm on the site. I know that the user looking for this information has lost a valuable resource. BTW, most of my Adsense sites and Amazon sites remain where they were.

The reason I write this is that a fair number of posts here seem to insinuate that if you got hit it is because you were doing bad things and deserved it. If you believe this, then you should drink the Google Kool Aid because you obviously believe that Google is perfect and can do no wrong.

The truth is, that this update, like the one rolled out and reversed last week (or whatever that was) has hit some legitimate sites and has made some search results look downright stupid.
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Oranges

14 years ago

12 years old authority site in my niche just got smacked. I feel sad for that guy

because he worked really hard to produce quality content (What G! Gloat about all the time) and now he is nowhere to be found and guess what? My crappy .info domain with low quality content (it was a an experiment project) is ranking at #2. I think someone at G! is high on weeds. Last week they messed up with "Parked Domain" penalty and now this huge mess. Loving it! :d

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Ashera

14 years ago

Just remember, not every site thats hit will stay hit. Just like previous changes Google makes corrections and alterations to their initial algorithm to improve it.

The shift to Google's algorithm is likely to affect, at least initially, some websites that aren't clearly violating its guidelines, according to a strategy paper for Web marketers released earlier this month by the search-engine marketing firm iProspect.

"Based on experiences with Panda and virtually all large algorithm shifts, we do expect sites that don't appear to fit the description of the intended target to nevertheless be caught up in initial sweeps," the iProspect paper said. Panda was a significant change in Google's search algorithm, launched in February 2011, that also aimed to boost the rankings of high-quality sites.

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mrtrance

14 years ago

So do we even know if this update is based on our onpage SEO or offpage SEO? Is it a particular type of site, content, backlink types, etc. that is being targetted?

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Chambers

14 years ago

About 50 of my websites tanked, most of them I had linked with spun content to High PR blog networks...they were also almost all EMD

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JoshN

14 years ago

It looks like my sites went up with my competition falling off the map... seriously I'm so glad I dropped google in every sense. Ever since I dropped adsense and analytics my sites seem to stay more stable in the rankings.

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Eyetrap

14 years ago

Should we remove articles from the spun blog networks that point to our sites?

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Originally Posted by Eyetrap

Should we remove articles from the spun blog networks that point to our sites?

Yep you must
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momo3

14 years ago

What is everyones thoughts in interlinking ON site content? I feel that if your site has any obvious on-site SEO action going on it might look fishy to G? But this is just kind of a spur of the moment thought I've had.. Like overlapping content and lots of intersite anchoring, etc.. ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by momo3

What is everyones thoughts in interlinking ON site content? I feel that if your site has any obvious on-site SEO action going on it might look fishy to G? But this is just kind of a spur of the moment thought I've had.. Like overlapping content and lots of intersite anchoring, etc.. ?

I have wondered about this lately...

Everyone and their mom is talking about Over optimization blah blah blah...yet I've yet to see anyone define exactly what that means?

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Brrainstormerr 14 years ago

Hmm.. google really seems to be messing things up!
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Andrian 14 years ago

I really don't have any words after what Google did to me. I want to say one thing F*** you Google
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Yes, that's reasons my all page rank goes down...
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malcsimm

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Chambers

I have wondered about this lately...

Everyone and their mom is talking about Over optimization blah blah blah...yet I've yet to see anyone define exactly what that means?

It's basically about the same old thing: keep providing good quality KW optimized article and G will be OK with that.

On average.

In other words, don't put all your efforts into one site which might get hit: spread your sites around.

AND don't rely on Google for your income. Spread that around too.

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BigG95 14 years ago

Don't know, if it helps, but here is a petition you can sign to make google kill the Penguin update.

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sannntiago

14 years ago

Hello!

I am a webmaster of Argentina. For here also suffered negative changes in the standings.

Keyword Position 1 on google: currently not on google.

It has happened with several sites.

I hope this will not be here. I have hopes that Google will need to finish the update. I hope things improve.

Greetings!

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evelyng

14 years ago

I guess all we can do is speculate at this point. I've worked very hard for a year and a half on my site. All original content, all linked effectively (SEO'd but not overly SEO'd). I was finally ranking enough keywords to make a small amount of money but now, they are all gone. I lost a bunch at first, then G pinged off the rest one by one. I'm still hopeful they will come back, but have deleted analytics from my sites also because the three keywords that were getting the most clicks according to analytics were the first to get tossed. Hummm!

Speculation of course, but there has to be more updates. I have a good site and what's in the top 10 right now are NOT good sites - and a few are not even related to the keywords.

Sigh, I'm going to start looking for a J.O.B. now - so tired of working for nothing, seeing success for two months, then getting buried by some Algo update that doesn't make any sense. And no, I didn't do blackhat marketing, I have withstood all other updates so far, so it seems like I am doing something right!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1

Putting all Eggs in one basket is what causes something like this to create utter havoc. We moved away from Google dependence a year ago and we are doing fine. Have built up a list and presence in Social Media have reduced Google Traffic to 22 percent only. Yes that is only 22 percent. It is nice to have Google traffic but they are proving themselves unreliable, whimsical and capricious overlords of Internet.

You can do the same. But you have not built that kind of business yet. Stop using Google Analytics and Free Tools they are sucking your data continuously as you become a Google fed robot and can only exist as a Google controlled wombat and suffer endlessly like today.

Thanks for sharing and good luck!

Care to share a little bit where most of your traffic is coming from and how you established your business?

Thank you,

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majestic12

14 years ago

This is bad news, I have many sites of all kinds and this is affecting all of them all.. I was up until 3am UK time going over this, many good sites have gone and we are left with spam and directory listings?

One of my clients sites took a bad blow 100% white hat with plently of unique informative content.. dropped from 1st to 12... being a local site this is terrible news.. whats in its place... yell.com?

I am praying this is an update with a "MASSIVE" glitch, google folk if you are reading this please fix this... this update if not changed will be a business killer, we have enough to worry about in these bad econimic times.

Please roll back this change....

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jamhot 14 years ago

Same here. I run a security site in the midlands uk which I rely on for new business. I,ve been promoting it with some spun articles recently with good results only to find that last night I no longer ranked until I hit 6th or 12th page. The sites I sat against had very poorly designed pages in comparison with hardly any content for them. The only thing they had going for them was domain age and optimised on page keywords. Other than that they loaded incredibly slowly and looked rough and unprofessional. I feel like I have wasted a huge amount of my effort over the past 2 years building the front end to my business only to be arse ****ed by some back links that google consider spam. This flies in the face of their supposed focus on quality sites. Having some spammy links to a great looking and quality site should not be a litmus test of it's value. Come on google, this is bad judgement. You are going to cause massive trouble for businesses. This is the last thing we need during crap economic times. I shall have to go use my skills emptying bins if this one sticks. I'm sure everyone feels the same here.
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Steven Heron

14 years ago

Wow...

This is perhaps the hardest off-site SEO hit yet. I've had massive ranking drops for many of my sites. Looks like SEO has really changed history today.

Funny thing is many spammy sites are still ranking. I've had sites not part of any blog networks or blackhat backlinking totally thrown out of their #1 rankings.

This algo change, combined with the nearly white background text of the top 3 results now being PPC (drastically reducing organic clickthrough rates) is a sign that SEO as we know it, is dead.

I hope this was an error on Google's part and some massive corrections are put into play soon. This update has not helped people looking for information.

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14 years ago

Google suck my ranking

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by redfeilds18

I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

make - this link should be on first page.

What do you say guys????

By now this site has like a hundred links from IM money make forums (relevant), because people like you link to it. There is not reason why this site shouldn't be number 1.

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by redfeilds18

I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

What do you say guys????

I agree - Google seems to have lost its mind! How can a blogspot site with no content rank number one for a highly competitive term like "make money online?" Perhaps people linking to it today has helped it out, but how did it get there in the first place???

I'm not one to get angry quickly, and post the usual "Google Sucks" comments when things like this happen, but I have never had such massive rankings loss across so many of my sites before. I'm mystified.

So much for following so-called whitehat site building/SEO methods, using 100% unique content on all pages, avoiding over-optimization, etc., etc., etc...

I'm just hoping that this change will soon be reversed, because it certainly does look like a huge mistake on G's part. If it doesn't change soon, I'll be back here posting my own "Google Sucks" comments.

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Dellco 14 years ago

I am seeing really horrible results like book titles sold on Amazon being in the top 10. And some blackhat and totally spammy sites that went off the first page are now BACK.

Yes, they have lost their mind. The guy pressing the button at Mountain View, I wonder what was going on in his mind.

But if they were all rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of wiping out a lot of people, well.....I say Google totally deserves to crash and burn.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by redfeilds18

I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING STRANGE TODAY! hahaha! Google has gone mad!
check this keyword "make money online" on Google and click on the first link. you will see the blogspot site with no content! This Update is effecting Google itself

make - this link should be on first page.

What do you say guys????

Yes, In my search this is #1... Google is really weird in this update...

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mrtrance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by agmantz

Yes, In my search this is #1... Google is really weird in this update...

That site has been all over page 1 since yesterday when the algo hit. It started at #9 for me, then up to #3 late last night and now #1 for the "make money online" keyword.

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alistair

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

That site has been all over page 1 since yesterday when the algo hit. It started at #9 for me, then up to #3 late last night and now #1 for the "make money online" keyword.

There's a thread on here somewhere from a few weeks ago where this site was already ranking #5 or somewhere like that on page one.

It seems this latest update has just given it a nice shove upwards, or maybe knocked some higher ranked sites out of the way, not sure which.

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tylon 14 years ago

before, if you sat at the SERP and clicked refresh... would the results change like they do? It's like they are randomized.

i am not logged into gmail.
i tried searching: 'make money online' and the gurucreation.com link changes from, "Real Ways..." to "Warning! Real Ways..." back and forth, but not always.
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1byte

14 years ago

I'm going to chime in here too...there is definitely something wrong with Google rankings today!

My main site has sat at #1 for main keyword for over a year, and today it dropped to #33! Several of my other keywords that have ranked on page 1, have dropped completely off SERPs, nowhere to be found!

What gets me is that several of my crappy YouTube videos are outranking my site for nearly every keyword that my website used to rank for! This is true for most of my other sites as well.

All of my content is 100% original, written by me or guest writers, and I've never used spun or duplicate content on any of my sites.

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE GOOGLE???

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

My main site has sat at #1 for main keyword for over a year, and today it dropped to #33!

Ha ha, just check my ranking for keyword mentioned above, and it has now dropped to #36! That's a drop of 3 places in the last 20 minutes.

Of course, my super crappy YouTube videos are ranking above it for the same keyword! Just ridiculous!

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aygabtu

14 years ago

I really don't know what to do here. Even if you follow the rules, you can still get nailed. They say they are doing it to get rid of low quality sites, please tell me what is low quality about my site:

Metric conversion, Currency converter, GPA Calculator

It has a better interface than the 10 year old sites out there, shows the direct and step by step dimensional analysis for each conversion, has a great search tool, allows you to save your favorites, automatically calculates between your chosen units and common units in the category, etc. I also think it has great on-page SEO.

Please tell me what I am missing?

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tylon 14 years ago

aygabtu,

you spelled 30.48 wrong in your equation...
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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

I really don't know what to do here. Even if you follow the rules, you can still get nailed. They say they are doing it to get rid of low quality sites, please tell me what is low quality about my site:

Metric conversion, Currency converter, GPA Calculator

Your site looks fine to me, but I'm not Google obviously, so my opinion doesn't count.

I'm unfortunately in the same boat as you and apparently lots of others, and it's not a pleasant place to be. My sites have thrived during all of the Panda algo changes, and either rose or stayed the same in the rankings for the most part.

And then I wake up this morning to this unwelcome surprise!

We work our tails off to do everything Google (and the "experts") say we should do: keep it whitehat...keep it original...keep it focused on the visitors...keep it real...blah blah blah...and then we get rewarded with this!

Not even sure where to start this morning. All of my efforts seem to be for naught.

I think I'll go get a drink!

(Just joking)

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jamhot

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Your site looks fine to me, but I'm not Google obviously, so my opinion doesn't count.

I'm unfortunately in the same boat as you and apparently lots of others, and it's not a pleasant place to be.

My sites have thrived during all of the Panda algo changes, and either rose or stayed the same in the rankings for the most part.

And then I wake up this morning to this unwelcome surprise!

We work our tails off to do everything Google (and the "experts") say we should do: keep it whitehat...keep it original...keep it focused on the visitors...keep it real...blah blah blah...and then we get rewarded with this!

Not even sure where to start this morning. All of my efforts seem to be for naught.

I think I'll go get a drink!

(Just joking)

Way ahead of you. Got no idea what to do or where to turn next. Decided to hit the bar and try and dig myself some research over a coffee. I really don't know if I should carry on back linking or to stop and wait. I certainly won't be receiving any phone calls today now that my area pages have been buried. I got more chance of winning the lottery at the minute. No point being in the office if I have become none existent to the world. I know I shouldn't have relied purely on google results for my income but it was the cheapest way of advertising at this time. Why pay for useless paper and magazine ads that delivered no roi when I knew everyone here looked for my service through the web. I wanted computer savvy customers because they were the guys who I made sales to. everything else was a waste of money. Jesus I hope they fix this. I'll have nothing :confused:

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Henri Lind

14 years ago

90+ % of my adsense sites have lost their top 3 positions.

Handful of my affiliate sites have gone up. The other have again lost their rankings...

There are tons of article directories and web 2.0 pages now ranking in top 10...

it seems seo is dead and there are so many bad thoughts floating around my head...

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Originally Posted by vapsjee

...it seems seo is dead and there are so many bad thoughts floating around my head...

Haha, me too!
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14 years ago

I lost Whole Page Rank of my keyword and today is the worst day.......

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aygabtu 14 years ago

Sad thing is I am paying Google $800/month for adwords for the site the last 5 months that dropped and was going to make my first profit on it this month. Now the only way it will get traffic is to keep shelling out money to google for visitors!!

Why is it ok to pay them to promote your site, but you can't do the same with others?

Judge the site not the links!!!!
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Steven Heron

14 years ago

Here's for the "Post 24th April Algo Update Support Club (P24AAUS). Kind of catchy?

I'm not one to complain, but seriously, I'm still mystified that Google would walk on their own principles. I don't know where to begin...

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madcore

14 years ago

Got hit too....All of my website gone...I never used any automated link building techniques...All white hat and manual labor...

Some of those sites where 5 years old...all gone....

A buisness generating thousands of dollars a month now reduced to nothing....Wow

The onlt website still standing is my Ecommerce store, it is in fact stronger than ever...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by madcore

Got hit too....All of my website gone...I never used any automated link building techniques...All white hat and manual labor...

Some of those sites where 5 years old...all gone....

A buisness generating thousands of dollars a month now reduced to nothing....Wow

The onlt website still standing is my Ecommerce store, it is in fact stronger than ever...

Don't get too depressed. This is only one day so far. For all you know the results could re-shuffle and you might gain your lost rankings back.

Don't panic. It's too early.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

Don't get too depressed. This is only one day so far. For all you know the results could re-shuffle and you might gain your lost rankings back.

Don't panic. It's too early.

How long do these algo changes take to be completed? historically speaking?

has "re-shuffling" happened with any other changes? such as site gone then come back at end of change? etc

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Zack5

14 years ago

all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

this is bad.

i'm feeling suicidal.

thank you matt cutts.

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zack5

all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

this is bad.

i'm feeling suicidal.

thank you matt cutts.

To quote a famous U.S. president, "I feel your pain."

I also have not had ranking drops like this before, and I have also been "doing this" since 2005. I don't get all of my traffic from Google, but unfortunately, I do get the majority from big G.

Not even sure what to do right now, other than wait and see what happens. It just seems like too much of an anomaly to continue like this.

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Liam Hamer 14 years ago

It's all very strange, and hopefully this craziness is just part of the process, rather than the end result.

One of my sites has held the number 1 spot for its main keyword for about 4 months, and it is now fluctuating between positions 8, 9 and 10. What is funny though, is that a site I have in the same niche(and similar keywords) has rocketed up and is even ahead of that other site for some keywords. I kinda gave up on the second site a few months ago.

With the first site I mentioned, I did a lot of link building in the beginning(press releases, RSS and directory submissions, articles, high PR blogroll links etc etc) but since around Christmas have had my link building done on autopilot with 2 private blog networks(ran by Warriors). I know one of them uses spun content, and the other puts links in pretty unrelated posts/articles. So if this is the reason why my site has had a little slap, I can't really complain too much because apparently this kind of link building is what Google is now targeting.

Another site I have has a lot of(what I consider) quality content and relevant backlinks(blog comments on related blogs in the niche and the like) yet every few weeks since November has danced for a few weeks then came back. It used to hold the number 3 spot for its main(competitive) keyword, but now it isn't even in the top 100. Very strange.

For now, I'm going to sit tight and see what happens - I don't think we've heard the end of this by any means.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zack5

all my sites were affected - earnings & traffic completely tanked.

i haven't seen anything like this before and i've been doing this since 2005.

this is bad.

i'm feeling suicidal.

thank you matt cutts.

Do NOT kill yourself. It's only been a few hours!

What happens if your websites come back and you're dead? Not a very pleasant thought is it

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Originally Posted by Zack5

this is bad.

i'm feeling suicidal.

thank you matt cutts.

same here. just hang in there til everything is cleared.
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somnia

14 years ago

This google algo change effects only english sites? I have non english sites and I noticed drop in rankings today for many domains.

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cooler1

14 years ago

This is exactly what's happened to me also. Keywords which were on page 1 are not even in the top 50 now.

Traffic has dropped by around 50% yet there's still spammy blogger blogs, etc.. ranking high in the SERPs. What is going on?

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John Romaine

14 years ago

This isnt good.

All of my sites have been hit as well, and I implement strictly white hat techniques.

What the ****?

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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by googlemac

Of course,it is called google dance,wait you will get results.

Hey "googlemac" Thanks for sharing another one of your simplistic, uninformed comments! :p

As reported on this thread and several others, many people including me have seen drastic drops in rankings for their sites, for no apparent reason. This seems to be much more than the common "google dance" which most of us here are well familiar with.
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plsearch

14 years ago

Yea major changes on my sites too, some way up some way down. Yesterday we jumped up a ton and now we are gone for some, hold on to your hats, these next few days may be a roller coaster ride.

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HorseStall

14 years ago

The article on google says the update will take a few days to implement could just be "dancing" I would let the results settle before you freak out too much.

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maggykurt

14 years ago

time to change your criteria of preference,,,
move to yahoo n bing

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daveshu

14 years ago

Just out of interest....

....how many of you have been using backlink "filters" to protect your money sites.

IE - You build links to site A, site B, site C, etc, and all of these point back to your "money site?"

The specific example (payday loan) given by Google (can be found in Bing, it's been de-indexed in Google) has links on site 1, that are cloacked and point at site 2, I *believe* that site 2 was then eventually being pointed to site 3, the money site.

This might be the footprint.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by daveshu

Just out of interest....

....how many of you have been using backlink "filters" to protect your money sites.

IE - You build links to site A, site B, site C, etc, and all of these point back to your "money site?"

The specific example (payday loan) given by Google (can be found in Bing, it's been de-indexed in Google) has links on site 1, that are cloacked and point at site 2, I *believe* that site 2 was then eventually being pointed to site 3, the money site.

This might be the footprint.

you try to say google still not so intelligent for link farms or spun content?

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daveshu 14 years ago

How did I say that?

The example contained spun content, but that was an aside - it was the unusual linking patterns they were interested in. One of the sites linked to in that example was owned by a guy who has been no.1 in Google Uk for payday loans for well over 12 months.

And that was with multiple different sites on different domains. New site on new domain goes live, and poof, within days it's no.1.

The linking pattern he's been using has been hit, and that involved what appear to be very similar to backlink filters.
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John Romaine

14 years ago

Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?

I have been building new websites with no backlinks and they're doing very well. So is my main blog.

Really, though, just take it easy. As long as your sites aren't deindexed, there's a chance they'll return to their former glory.

What do all of your website have in common?

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John Romaine 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

What do all of your website have in common?

Original high quality content :rolleyes:
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- josephseeley 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Romaine
  
  Original high quality content :rolleyes:
  
  High quality content... ok. Original content... ok. Not building backlinks... ok. But all together stinks of over-optimization! Who else would do that other than someone trying to game the new algorithms?
  
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mrtrance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

I have been building new websites with no backlinks and they're doing very well. So is my main blog.

Really, though, just take it easy. As long as your sites aren't deindexed, there's a chance they'll return to their former glory.

What do all of your website have in common?

All my sites that were hit were EMDs, used Clickbump's Adsese Theme, had about 10-15 unique articles on each site (each page of a site focused on 1 keyword, 500+ word articles, 1% kw density), sites are 3-4 years old, variety of backlinks and anchor texts.

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nikolai11 14 years ago

Check this out: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/587286-empty-page-ranks-1-make-money-online.html
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

All my sites that were hit were EMDs, used Clickbump's Adsese Theme, had about 10-15 unique articles on each site (each page of a site focused on 1 keyword, 500+ word articles, 1% kw density), sites are 3-4 years old, variety of backlinks and anchor texts.

Many EMDs have dropped for sure. Matt Cutts warned about this in a video I happened to watch yesterday. He said they would probably turn down that factor.

Now if they turned down the 'exact match domain bonus' at the same time devaluing backlinks, it would explain the drops you're seeing.

I'm also suspicious that 'over optimization' means they're looking at the Trifecta of Title, H1, and anchor text.

But really, considering that G has deindexed millions of websites in the past three months, the link graph has to look very strange compared to the traditional Google spamdex. Google has been looking the other way at this type of stuff for seven years.

If I were you, I would probably tone down the on-page factors on a few pages. Then Tweet them out a bit, watch for them to get reindexed and see if the rankings improve.

That would be an easy, non-drastic way to get a handle on things.

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Thinking_man_too 14 years ago

That is something that all of my oites that got hit had. Bold Title tags h1-h3 with keywords in them, keyword in bold on the first and last sentence etc.

I am going to rewrite one site today and see if rankings improve when i eliminate all the H1-h3 title tags etc.

I know a lot of people say sit tite but I have plenty of tanked sites so experimenting with a few won't hurt.
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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Christ. I feel sick, honestly.

Every single one of my sites are gone, and I dont use link building services!

Surely this wont stay like this, will it???

Out of interest, is anyone seeing an improvement in their positioning or is everyone getting spanked?

No positive change for any of my sites yet. Yeah, I'm feeling sick too...this really sucks!

lots of people are seeing dramatic rankings drops on their sites. Check the link to this thread to see what people are saying about this algo change:

Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

No positive change for any of my sites yet. Yeah, I'm feeling sick too...this really sucks!

lots of people are seeing dramatic rankings drops on their sites. Check the link to this thread to see what people are saying about this algo change:

Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment

Yeah ive got that blog post entry open on screen. Plenty of annoyed people.

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wAvision

14 years ago

The only keyword i am still on page 1 for is my main KW (it is my static homepage/EMD),went from #1 to #6, which sadly brings me the least amount of traffic....all others KW i was on page 1 for and all other pages on my site..gone...im confused

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mbmehmet 14 years ago

Ok, guys I thought I would share some insight. I was penalised 10+ months ago on my 2 main sites at the height of the whole panda thing. I assumed it was panda and couldn't possibly fathom how I could recover from an algo change as I truly believed my sites were of the highest quality. Anyway, 10+ months on I sent a reconsideration request 3 weeks ago after just changing themes on these sites and fixing some redirect issues. Minor fixes. Within 4 days I got a message telling me a manual penalty was revoked! All that time and it was a manual penalty lol.

Anyway my point is this. These sites had been returned to partial rankings for the last few weeks and as of last night they have dropped for all terms. I had not done anything since they recovered, nothing at all, they are intact, as they were when manually reviewed.

WTF is google thinking then with this latest algo update? I feel reasurred that the algo isn't complete yet, well I am hoping, and many sites will come back. It seems too drastic of a change and none of it makes sense. What is worrying is that eccomerce sites in my opinion seem to not be effected. Even the smallest of sales pages consisting of 10-15 pages of products have gained or stayed as they were. P.s My sites that were effected were review sites on weight loss products monetised by adsense and affiliate products.
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  Originally Posted by mbmehmet
  
  Anyway, 10+ months on I sent a reconsideration request 3 weeks ago after just chapoint is thisnging themes on these sites and fixing some redirect issues.
  
  Not sure what you mean by "chapoint is thisngig themes." Please clarify.
  
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  Not sure what you mean by "chapoint is thisngig themes." Please clarify.
  
  Sorry, I am sent that through a touch screen phone :-( I basically just changed the themes for the sites and fixed some 301 issues.
  
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14 years ago

Ive got a keyword here that went from pos 2 to pos 682

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GetSomeDollar 14 years ago

It seems that my reputable, long-term E-commerce business has completely tanked (nowhere to be found for any terms) I had been ranking first page for 20+ terms for probably over a year.

The funny thing is that I have a couple of blogs that I created many months ago that maybe have 1-2 articles, "extreme" on-page keyword optimization, and backlink blasts, and these sites have gained in the serp.

My #1 Competitor that has nearly 10x as many backlinks as me, mostly pure spam (blog comments, profiles, edu, anchor text heavy) is still holding strong.

Summary:
Legitimate business with huge following/customer base tanks, crappy blogs with almost no content that I forgot about gained.

I'm sure I can still get by based on the high percentage of loyal/regular customers I get but the business growth has been driven highly by organic traffic. This is not good and I really feel for people who have been affected to a greater degree than myself.
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slappytheking 14 years ago

For what it's worth.....I only had 2 of my sites slapped out of 10 (all my sites are/were on the 1st page of Google for multiple kw). All of them get their links from the same service (I'm lazy..). The 2 sites that were slapped have anchor text links (and the anchors are crappy....I was in a hurry) on the home page that go to sub pages where the other 8 do not. This is the only difference I see between the sites.

As I read the sentences on the 2 sites where anchors were placed, well, grammatically speaking, they are a bit off.

......and I wonder about the examples that G gave about spammy links for the update yesterday. It clearly shows anchors that are not grammatically correct ON THE SITE ITSELF.

Anyway....my two cents....

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Demha

14 years ago

Yes this happened to me too! I lose many ranks which i had from months!

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14 years ago

Google trying to find a way to push there own products like blogspot and also PPC?

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Originally Posted by estz

Google trying to find a way to push there own products like blogspot and also PPC?

I was making money for google! I was spending on adwords to bring people to my site and earning through adsense, which google took a big chunk of. It was a win-win for them!
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mattr2110

14 years ago

This update makes no sense. I had one site that was on page 1 for 3 years, I created only a few backlinks probably 3 years ago to article directories. It had many articles ranked on page one which I created no backlinks to, they where also on page one for several years they are now all gone. I even had authority sites linking to my site because I did reviews of their software products and they linked to those reviews from their site. The site actually had very few backlinks 30 maybe and most of them done naturally. Doesn't make any sense.

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undernew

14 years ago

Lol. This update is so random. Out of 3 Websites, 2 lost rankings and 1 is now ranking pretty good for many terms! oO

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14 years ago

Is anyone seeing IMPROVEMENTS????????

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The Artful Surfer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeWike

I have to admit that two of my adsense sites (pretty new ~1,5 months old) climbed today on SERPS. I'm pretty confused, because they are thin - 5 pages of articles and not much backlinking - all the backlinks are from spammy article submissions and wikis. They even got unnatural linking message week ago ,but they are still climbing

However, two of my clickbank sites which was mainly done by manual backlinking are gone.. but they BOTH used Google Analytics which is very weird..

This is what I mean........ My niches are now filled with ****e sites that are just spamfarms

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14 years ago

Im noticing a trend here. I would like to know if others are seeing this as well....

Pages that are now ranked well include...

1. Plenty of social widgets.
2. Deeper pages (pages in the serps are much deeper onsite) eg somesite.com/category/something/keyword.html
3. A lot of user comments. Plenty of articles with lots of comments.
4. Categories (usually in the side menu)
5. No ads
6. Phone numbers and emails??? Weird (maybe thats just what Im seeing here)

What about you guys?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Im noticing a trend here. I would like to know if others are seeing this as well....

Pages that are now ranked well include...

1. Plenty of social widgets.
2. Deeper pages (pages in the serps are much deeper onsite) eg somesite.com/category/something/keyword.html
3. A lot of user comments. Plenty of articles with lots of comments.
4. Categories (usually in the side menu)
5. No ads
6. Phone numbers and emails??? Weird (maybe thats just what Im seeing here)

What about you guys?

OMG! This is so true! Some of them...

Deeper Pages: In Germany now someone is ranking #1 for the term make money online with a url like that..

daosdijo.com/topsites/1000/online/income/money/earn/online/internet/extraincome

The website has categories on the side. But 0 content, Just some images and 20 outgoing links.
What is wrong with google?

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Thinking_man_too 14 years ago

One of my only sites not affected was a 5 month old site. Low backlink count but some high pr backlinks.
It has no comments.
No Likes or google plus one.
does have some backlinks from social sites.
No spinning of content.
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wAvision

14 years ago

yep one of my squidoo lens moved up

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Originally Posted by wAvision

yep one of my squidoo lens moved up

Yeah Im seeing squidoo lenses here as well. One of them is ABSOLUTELY STUFFED WITH KEYWORDS.

business license california web design,business license for graphic design florida,business of web design,business plans freelance web designer,design,graphic design,home business,how to promote web design business local,how to start a design business,how to start a web design business,how to start a webdesign business,how to start a website design business,how to start web design business,internet,make money online,online,start a web design business,start a website business,start web design business,starting a design business,starting a web design business,starting a web design company or business,starting web design company people,web,web design,web site creation,web site design,webdesign,webdesign business ideas,website,website design,what would you need to start a web design business,work at home,work from home
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Rollmodl 14 years ago

Though I still believe SEO still works, I'm moving more towards "social engine" based marketing not search engines. Testing out the concept with my new site.
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oxnard111

14 years ago

I too as many others have been hit this morning. By this time of day I usually have 200-300 unique views, and I have a total of 4 between my 10 best sites.

I have CTR theme on 4 of those sites and those sites have definitely been hit.

But I have also been hit on sites that don't use the CTR theme.

With all the prime examples of total bull crap SERP results I too think this may just be temporary.

lots of crappy search result examples here

http://jlforums.com/search-engine-optimization/major-google-update-(april-24th)/

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mbmehmet

14 years ago

LOL. All sites with google analytics and in webmaster tools dropped. Those using "Getclicky" haven't been touched. I don't think social signals have anything to do with it, my site has over 9000 Likes and many quality comments daily. If I am being honest it appears that backlinks made from spamming spun content out there may have a part in this, as these links show up in webmaster tools. Yes, you are gonna say if that the case then bla bla bla could do this, but only connection I could find. And no, I didn't make these links, I payed an SEO company to post unique articles to directories. I guess unique means it has to be truly UNIQUE lol. Where is the nearest bridge?

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Originally Posted by mbmehmet

LOL. All sites with google analytics and in webmaster tools dropped. Those using "Getclicky" haven't been touched.

Is this REALLY the case??????
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  Is this REALLY the case??????
  
  Gods honest truth that is the only connecting factor. :-(
  
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14 years ago

my site uses getclicky.......but i also have analytics....

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14 years ago

I am monitoring some pretty competitive keywords in the web hosting industry, and all I can say that there is a huge shift in the positioning of many sites that used to rank very well.

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kristeena

14 years ago

Just checkout the #1 site for the key word: Make Money Online (As on 25th April)
One blank blogspot.com site at the top with no content or pages.
Absolute quality site. Hahahahahahah!
Has Google become insane?
For almost all keywords YouTube & blogspot.com mostly on first page. Google is just wanting to make huge money!!!!!!!!

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majestic12

14 years ago

Still seeing loads of good sites rank below spam, I do hope google is going to fix this. This has to be the worst update ever..... if it has not got a name I would call it...

"The Reaper"

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daveshu

14 years ago

LOL - search for "social networks" "social networking sites" etc - where's facebook?

Search for "online auction" or "online auctions" - where's eBay?

LOL they've either:

a) really cocked this up majorly
b) are deliberately sticking naff results up to try & catch bing with their trousers down (copying results)
c) are rolling out a series of changes over a number of days, with us having to wait until the whole update is done to see the finshed article.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by daveshu

LOL - search for "social networks" "social networking sites" etc - where's facebook?

Search for "online auction" or "online auctions" - where's eBay?

LOL they've either:

a) really cocked this up majorly
b) are deliberately sticking naff results up to try & catch bing with their trousers down (copying results)
c) are rolling out a series of changes over a number of days, with us having to wait until the whole update is done to see the finshed article.

That is quite astounding, maybe mr Cutts has been offered more money by the other team? maybe this is his farewell gesture?

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Startraffic

14 years ago

Yep "The reaper" just about sums it up, I hope the Google folk realize what they have done and fix it. I too have white hat sites which are taking a dive, I totally agree with dealing with link spam but this is ridiculous.

How long until we start seeing the sale of link cannons aimed at competitor sites? this could be the start of an out and out war when the desperation kicks in.
I say to Google .... With great power comes great responsibilty. "Please" think about the consequences of your algorithm change, there are hundreds of thousands of people who's incomes you are now taking away.

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The Artful Surfer

14 years ago

Wow. This update is complete sh*t. I'm sorry but......what just happened!?

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mrtrance

14 years ago

Pretty much the only site of mine that was not affected is my local SEO business website that targets keyword such as "city SEO" and "SEO city". I'm still ranking #1 for both of those terms and I used the same backlink techniques as my other adsense sites. So I'm thinking now that it might not have anything to do with backlinks, but onpage factors. Also my clients's sites were not affected at all either and those used the same backlink techniques as well. So I don't know what to think right now.

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neworleansseo

14 years ago

I was starting to think there was a Google update today...
least im know on my own for this one, Remember when building links - now use link diversity, and make it more natural.

damn Google!

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The Artful Surfer

14 years ago

Why would you target optimization of Title, H1 and anchor text, when 99.99% of people building websites have been optimizing that way? You're not going to separate wheat from chaff very well by doing that. I'm sorry but every legit webmaster uses that technique.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by The Artful Surfer

Why would you target optimization of Title, H1 and anchor text, when 99.99% of people building websites have been optimizing that way? You're not going to separate wheat from chaff very well by doing that. I'm sorry but every legit webmaster uses that technique.

So do all the illegitimate ones too.

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Originally Posted by mosthost

So do all the illegitimate ones too.

That's why I'm saying....it's a POOR way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

People building LEGITIMATE websites have been using that technique.
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  Originally Posted by The Artful Surfer
  
  That's why I'm saying....it's a POOR way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
  
  People building LEGITIMATE websites have been using that technique.
  
  Yeah, I get it. That's why you reduce it as an 'optimization' technique. It becomes less effective for everyone. As Google has proven before, they're happy to live with collateral damage. Of course it's only 1 out of 200 or more ranking signals they use anyway.
  
  I'm not sure this even happened. I was just suggesting that people who have had interior pages tank and use this combo to tone it down and see if their page comes back.
  
  I personally stopped using this technique a few years ago because I kept getting 'phrase-based penalties' when I went past the point. Now I use varied anchor text and image files for H1.
  
  Really, though, I don't think these Google updates are simple. There's a lot of complexity in their system and guesses are likely to be incomplete or inaccurate. Still, it IS time to experiment.
  
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papamo44

14 years ago

So yesterday and last night I noticed huge rankings drops for my sites and clients sites across the board. Losing several hundred spots on many keywords. However I am seeing a big bounce back today for many sites and keywords jumping several hundred spots up. I think we need to give this a few days wait, for it to settle before coming to any real conclusions.

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Green Moon

14 years ago

It looks like some of my websites were affected and some were not. Of those that were hit, in some cases a few keywords are still ranking while others have dropped off the search results entirely. This will obviously take some time to shake out.

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14 years ago

Google gone Crazy, Really Super CRAZY!!!

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jonathanleger

14 years ago

From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:

I've talked with a few guys I am still in contact with from 'G' and they are not very happy. It seems the algo is churning out erratic results and they are frantically trying to fix the problems... Expect another update very soon.

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1byte

14 years ago

My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!

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wAvision 14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!

Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.
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  Originally Posted by wAvision
  
  Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.
  
  Three hours later...and I'm still sittting here with $0.68 for the day. My traffic is waaaay down from usual, and this looks like it will be my worst day in years for earnings. No traffic = No earnings. Pathetic!
  
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AlisonTaylor

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

My 30+ sites with Adsense have made a grand total of 68 cents today! Maybe I'll crack a dollar in earnings before the day is done!

What do they usually crack ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by AlisonTaylor

What do they usually crack ?

I don't reveal earnings on my sites publicly (with the exception of today's paltry sum), but I can tell you it is many, many times the 68 cents I have made on Adsense today.

Update 4:53 PST

Wow, just checked Adsense earnings and I'm up to $1.26 today! Yippee, I think I'll celebrate...NOT!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

I don't reveal earnings on my sites publicly (with the exception of today's paltry sum), but I can tell you it is many, many times the 68 cents I have made on Adsense today.

Update 4:53 PST

Wow, just checked Adsense earnings and I'm up to $1.26 today! Yippee, I think I'll celebrate...NOT!

Does that mean your buying the beers..lol

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realworld 14 years ago

Time to chime in ... I have been a long time viewer of the forum but a first time poster. All of my sites were demolished by the recent change, and I feel it is time to pick myself up and move in a different direction. I always felt a uneasy that G controlled my revenue. I tried my hardest over the years to maintain solid, meaningful sites. I used basic white hat techniques which included meta tags, a few personally written articles on ezine (which were painful to get approved), and active participation in a few well established forums. Like others on this thread, I was lost when I awoke to the devastation ... it was like a tornado intentionally hit G. Some of my key phrases are now returning ONLY .gov, .edu, and .org on the main page, and my sites have all slipped deep into the machine. I think we all agree that G slipped somewhere along the way.

The sad part - G made a change that was not needed. If countless people reported poor results to G and it made the news, etc., I could see them refining the algo. In this case, the results were fine and no significant complaints were posted, so why did they do it? Many entrepreneurs have ventured to the web and busted a$$ to bring great sites/content to the world. I suspect this will stop and the net will be left with billy bobs bait shop (no offense to bait shop owners).

Perhaps it is time for a new search engine. A search engine that reveals the algo and places everybody on the same playing field. I was always a big supporter of G and actively participated in their Engage program. Part of me wants to scream and part of me wants to thank them for the good ride. It is time to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and consider a different direction.
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mrtrance 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonathanleger

From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:

For what it's worth.

Hopefully this pans out and we get back to the old SERPs again soon.
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OneManSEO 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jonathanleger

From a guy on my forum that says he used to work at Google:

For what it's worth.

A massive DUH on that one. Any idiot with a computer can tell that what Google thought was being rolled out is NOT what is in fact live and rolled out.

I bet they revert back to the old algo and put this update back into testing mode for a re-take in May or June.

I'm just glad none of our client websites have been negatively affected by this. Must be doing something right...
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zonkow

14 years ago

What about your Alexa rankings?
Mine has dropped over 100K.

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supaH

14 years ago

My site went from #1 to #550, completely off google. Pretty pissed & depressed about this. Hopefully this gets corrected soon.

Odd thing is, the sites that Ive been developing and are only around page 3 currently, didn't move at all in the serps

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jrafique

14 years ago

This is damn serious....Read This..

Here is the post that Matt Cutts has pointed out:

profitmonarchs.com/get-fit-using-these-simple-and-easy-methods/

Open this post and click on the first anchor text "pay day loan"....You will be redirected to

checkintocash.com which is still ranking high on Google for "pay day loan" keyword.

They must be laughing hard on google.

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OneManSEO

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jrafique

This is damn serious....Read This..

Here is the post that Matt Cutts has pointed out:

profitmonarchs.com/get-fit-using-these-simple-and-easy-methods/

Open this post and click on the first anchor text "pay day loan"....You will be redirected to

checkintocash.com which is still ranking high on Google for "pay day loan" keyword.

They must be laughing hard on google.

Hahahaha. I'm laughing. I find it hilarious when multi-billion dollar companies embarrass themselves. Tough to laugh if the changes are making you lose money, but still.... HAHAHAHAHA

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Stevie C

14 years ago

I'd say keep calm and carry on...there's nothing any of us can do at the moment to change anything because nobody has a clue what Google are up to.
I had a site with around 50 keywords ranking on the 1st page of Google now all around the 300/400 mark, the 1st pages now have been replaced by you tube and daily motion videos and a couple of internal forum pages with a mention of the keyword and usually Amazon taking anywhere between 2 and 4 of the top places. All the sites that I was in competition with have been wiped as well!
My crappy sniper sites that I built last year and have neglected are all ranking 1st page!
Either Google haven't finished what they set out to achieve yet and the SERPS will reach some sort of equilibrium or they will have to revert back, if not they will be a laughing stock

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BabyGotBackLinks

14 years ago

Everyone keeps saying stuff like "I have 100% unique content...my website is better than others that are now ranked higher!".

I guarantee just about every single site that got hit used some sort of link building strategy. I think people have actually convinced themselves that it's ok to build links artificially when it clearly is NOT.

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BabyGotBackLinks

Everyone keeps saying stuff like "I have 100% unique content...my website is better than others that are now ranked higher!".

I guarantee just about every single site that got hit used some sort of link building strategy. I think people have actually convinced themselves that it's ok to build links artificially when it clearly is NOT.

So, what do you propose there BabyGotBackLinks, a "build-it-and-they-will-come" strategy, where you do no link building of any kind, and expect people to just magically visit your site because it is so great? This seems to be a very naive and unrealistic expectation.

Is it even possible not to "build links artificially," and expect to get any organic traffic? I say this because link building is nearly unavoidable these days if you spend any amount of effort trying to get traffic to your site.

For example, if you have done any of the following things even once, then you are guilty of "building links artificially."

1. Submit an article to EzineArticles or other article directories.
2. Submit your site URL to a website directory
3. Make a blog comment or guest post with a link back to your site
4. Participate in any forum with a signature link.
5. Make social media posts, such as Tweets, Facebook, LinkedIn, Pinterest etc., with a link back to your site
6. Submit your site's RSS feed to aggregators
7. Register on any site where you need to put in a website URL.
8. Bookmarking
9. Submit a press release about your site.
10. Upload a video to Youtube with a URL in the description
11. Upload a PDF (with just one URL link) to a document sharing site.

All of these would be considered "building links artificially" as you are doing something other than putting content on your own site. According to you, all of these things would not be O.K.

What is O.K, in your opinion?

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ian a birch

14 years ago

Woke up this morning all happy and cheerful to find 2 of my sites have vanished from google?the were both ranked on page 1 and now they are gone.i have checked to make sure i have,nt been deindexed and i have,nt.im still on page 1 in yahoo and bing...If i had a cat i would kick it.

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Shounak Gupte

14 years ago

i have a site which was sitting on page 1 for over 400 days for over 10 highly searched keywords... today... its around page 20-30

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lossman29

14 years ago

DAMN THIS ****. I lost rankings for all my major sites though some of my smaller sites went up. GOOGLE- THIS IS WAR NOW. I've basically lost tons of revenue on all my authority sites.

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majestic12

14 years ago

A few people are now posting in the webmaster central blog about a poor guy who has commited suicide because of this, the chaps business was on the edge and this totally destroyed it overnight.

Very sad indeed...

This is hitting people harder than Google realize

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bcmwp 14 years ago

There seems to be some weirdness with this update.

For instance, I have a page, where I have a subpage on rentals. So, my main page is "keywords" and my subpage is "keywords rentals". What strange is that my page "keywords" page has dropped of the map, but "keywords rentals" is now on page 3 for "keywords". The "Keywords rentals" page is still #1 for "keywords rentals", so the whole site has definitely not been penalized.

That's definitely wonky. Why is my subpage ranking for my keywords over my main page? Why has the main page vanished into oblivion, but the subpage is still flying high? Weird.
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mbmehmet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by majestic12

A few people are now posting in the webmaster central blog about a poor guy who has commited suicide because of this, the chaps business was on the edge and this totally destroyed it overnight.

Very sad indeed...

This is hitting people harder than Google realize

Are you serious? Can you share a link please...

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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mbmehmet

Are you serious? Can you share a link please...

I've shared this link already earlier in the thread, but here it is again:

Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment
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majestic12 14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

I've shared this link already earlier in the thread, but here it is again:

Blogger: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog - Post a Comment

Originally Posted by mbmehmet

Are you serious? Can you share a link please...

Yes a few people mention it, I saw it on page 2 and think it is mentioned elsewhere. There are folk talking about shutting their businesses and sending people home.. very sad indeed...

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Another step to reward high-quality sites
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footfoot

14 years ago

Seems sites from years ago who done no seo are replacing the ones who have. Opens up possibilities to rank for seemingly impossible keywords.

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slongmore

14 years ago

Hey look! It's Google's action plan for controlling the internet.

Step 1 - Kill all SEO companies by devaluing any links from articles and blogs.
Step 2 - Laugh hysterically as SEO companies lose clients due to drop in rankings.
Step 3 - Encourage website owners to request reconsideration for their decline in rank.
Step 4 - Decline the reconsideration request and point them to Adwords as a solution.
Step 5 - Watch as site owners flock to Google adwords and pay loads of cash!
(mwahahaha)

Just sayin'. I'm one of those that's really taking a hit and I run a legitimate business. Guess I'll be laying off employees and finding a job if this doesn't turn around soon.

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icklepickle

14 years ago

OMG I am so glad I'm not on my own. One of my sites has been link 1 or 2 page 1 for about 2 years for all my keywords. Today 2 dropped out totally and others have dropped over 50 places or so

Gutted. All 100% unique content too, and all totally niche related.

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by icklepickle

OMG I am so glad I'm not on my own. One of my sites has been link 1 or 2 page 1 for about 2 years for all my keywords. Today 2 dropped out totally and others have dropped over 50 places or so

Gutted. All 100% unique content too, and all totally niche related.

You're definitely not alone, many people have experienced drastic ranking reductions today on their sites, including me. Been feeling kinda sick about this all day long...

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NoodlyDoodly

14 years ago

I'm not suffering personally but in my niche there is a new-kid-on-the-block with sites that are 2% content and 98% in-your-face-SEO - they're ranking mighty well!

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owenlee

14 years ago

okie...we need to change the strategy again...

here we go again~arg

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jinx1221

14 years ago

Everybody.. dont panic!! This change is basically going through all sites backlinks and discounting anything that is crapspun/nonrelated.. all sites then have to be reranked based on the final results. So in the meantime, a humongous 'google dance' is occurring.. kind of like taking a neatly stacked deck of playing cards, throwing said deck up in the air, going thru and taking out the 'jokers', and restacking the deck again. Your sites might even improve as a result.. stay tuned..

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NoodlyDoodly

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

Everybody.. dont panic!! This change is basically going through all sites backlinks and discounting anything that is crapspun/nonrelated.. all sites then have to be reranked based on the final results. So in the meantime, a humongous 'google dance' is occurring.. kind of like taking a neatly stacked deck of playing cards, throwing said deck up in the air, going thru and taking out the 'jokers', and restacking the deck again. Your sites might even improve as a result.. stay tuned..

Arright, I'll monitor this spam site as a thermometer of crap in the SERPS!

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John Romaine 14 years ago

Originally Posted by wAvision

Oh yeah......well my site has had 8 visitors today...beat that.

One of my sites that usually attracts 150 uniques, has had 1 visit today from Google.

ONE!

I was in position number one, and now Im back on page 5.

This is ridiculous. Really is.

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rinor81 14 years ago

This is really crazy!

All sites got hammered, crushed and more than that.

Site that was #15 or #23 is now #678 and nowhere to be found depending on the keyboard, another one nowhere to be found....Google just killed all my sites and these were not junk sites.

I guess it's time to think of a new strategy - Any ideas guys? :confused:
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Dellco

14 years ago

I think the silver lining in this Massacre is that Google is finally revealing its evil agenda for all and sundry.

The only surprise to me is that most people who got hit (still) think Google is only out to make the web a better place, when that is far from the truth.

The main purpose of this update/massacre is simply - To nuke most internet marketers (because internet marketers are the ones actively getting links). It does not matter quality site/non quality site.

Google hates Internet Marketing with a passion and supports Big Business/Govt. It's so obvious; it is literally right in your face.

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pusthu82

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dellco

I think the silver lining in this Massacre is that Google is finally revealing its evil agenda for all and sundry.

The only surprise to me is that most people who got hit (still) think Google is only out to make the web a better place, when that is far from the truth.

The main purpose of this update/massacre is simply - To nuke most internet marketers (because internet marketers are the ones actively getting links). It does not matter quality site/non quality site.

Google hates Internet Marketing with a passion and supports Big Business/Govt. It's so obvious; it is literally right in your face.

Just 2 words : F... Google!!

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John Romaine

14 years ago

"Great user experience"
"High quality content"

Type in "share trading" in Google.com and check this ****ty site out that is currently ranked 4th.

Share Dealing | compare share trading accounts - moneysupermarket UK

HORRIBLE!

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razorhound

14 years ago

Somebody wake me up please, this really is a horrible nightmare!

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14 years ago

Oh, heres one...

"stock market trading"

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wellis

14 years ago

I thought I was alone in this... but honestly it does not feel any better...

My main site and 2 main keywords stayed in the top 3 spots but I lost ranking from about 10 other smaller keywords.. fortunately they only accounted for 5% of my traffic... my second site was dropeed from page one to oblivian.. can't even find it in the top 100 pages of Google.. My third site stayed on page one unchanged... This is the weirdest algorithm change yet... When Panda came out it did not affect any of my sites... this one stings a bit.. it is kind of a scary thing having your whole livelihood tied up with one company like this.... not sure what you can do.... if I had to pay for advertising it would be like $400 a day to get the exposure I was getting.. who can afford that?

There is a crappy site that has moved above me for one main keyword that just looks terrible..

I do not employ any black hat schemes or link exchange pyramids... I don't pay for links... We simply build backlinks in blogs, forums, submit relevant articles, etc... really am not getting this at all.. I have felt sick to my stomach since about 4pm yesterday..

Oh yeah my site gets re-indexed 2 to 3 times a day so Google seems to like it... really not sure why I have been punished...

Geesh....

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Ashera

14 years ago

Just thought of this- didn't even put two and two together. NONE of my sites that had no AdSense on them were hit yesterday- the sites that were all had it... maybe a coincidence... but 30 sites stayed same or moved up, and 5 that didn't had Adsense... (I mainly do strictly Amazon)

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icklepickle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ashera

Just thought of this- didn't even put two and two together. NONE of my sites that had no AdSense on them were hit yesterday- the sites that were all had it... maybe a coincidence... but 30 sites stayed same or moved up, and 5 that didn't had Adsense... (I mainly do strictly Amazon)

I don't have any adsense on my site or any google analytics stuff. My site is a job site for one particular job in a particular niche and has been hit hard. Normally we get 30 applicants a day (which for our niche is normal as it's quite unique) but now we're just getting 1

Really screwing us up and I've really made sure it was serious quality stuff on there. No black hat either. All white hat. Perhaps it's time to go do the darkside?

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esmein

14 years ago

heads up: the site I have that tanked on the 24th seems to be back now. It's had more unique visitors in the last 5 hours than on the 24th and 25th combined. It also came back in serps. Not to where it was, but I'll take a bottom of the first page.

For what it's worth.

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1byte 14 years ago

I've had my worst day in years. Adsense earning today at an appalling $1.43 for all of my 30+ sites.

One of my sites that held a #1 position for 6 different keywords for more than a year straight, has now gone to #29 ranking or worse. Can't understand how my site could dominate the SERPs for these keywords for so many months, only to have them virtually disappear today.

I hope things improve soon...
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mrtrance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by esmein

heads up: the site I have that tanked on the 24th seems to be back now. It's had more unique visitors in the last 5 hours than on the 24th and 25th combined. It also came back in serps. Not to where it was, but I'll take a bottom of the first page.

For what it's worth.

Where did the site tanked before coming back to bottom of page 1?

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angeliti 14 years ago

Same as Wellis here. My domain and 2 main keywords stayed in the top 3 spots, but all the other inner pages are nowhere to be seen. Some tag pages are ranking in page 6-7 for those keywords instead.

Went from 1.200 unique visitors to 250, and from more than 200 euros in profits yesterday to 40 today. I really hope this is just temporary...
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esmein

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

Where did the site tanked before coming back to bottom of page 1?

The bottom of oblivion. I had somewhere around 12-13 uniques on 24th and 25th, total.

Even if I searched for my exact article titles, they weren't on the first 5 pages (but they were indexed).

That deep.

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wAvision

14 years ago

Originally Posted by esmein

The bottom of oblivion. I had somewhere around 12-13 uniques on 24th and 25th, total.

Even if I searched for my exact article titles, they weren't on the first 5 pages (but they were indexed).

That deep.

Did this site get hit with this recent update as well?

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esmein 14 years ago

Originally Posted by wAvision

Did this site get hit with this recent update as well?

Yes, it was hit on 24th and came back this morning.

Even if it stays like this, I no longer want Google as my main traffic partner. Too risky.
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  Originally Posted by esmein
  
  Yes, it was hit on 24th and came back this morning.
  
  Even if it stays like this, I no longer want Google as my main traffic parter. Too risky.
  
  Same here...developing new traffic strategy as we speak...done with worrying about search engines..
  
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John Romaine

14 years ago

You know, as an ex government employee, if something like this happened in our IT dept, we'd be ORDERED to ROLLBACK, immediately.

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nik0 Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

You know, as an ex government employee, if something like this happened in our IT dept, we'd be ORDERED to ROLLBACK, immediately.

I dont get it either although I do understand why my Dutch site got slapped. I used English content on blog networks with "obvious" Dutch keywords in it. And that was one of the things this update was exactly about (as Matt himself wrote that on his blog with examples).
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zoro

14 years ago

Google is the Boss. They want everyone to pay with their Ads. They love the the big companies. Nothing we can do about it.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Here you go. Try these in google.com

confidence training for dogs

pos 5

oct99

TRIPOD PAGE FROM 1999!!! Look at the page title - "oct99" its the DATE of publication.

how to breed goldfish

pos 9

How To Breed Goldfish

Another crappy blogspot blog ranking.

diet plans for men

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Diet Plans for Men

This one is just horrible.

how to speak japenese

pos 9

Learn to speak Japanese, Japanese lessons, plus hiragana and katakana talking page!

Stuffed with ads. Reminds of the old infoseek days.

mathematics training

I was searching in google.com and got an indian result?

the page timed out and i got this error "504 Gateway Time-out"

pos 7

http://www.math.iitb.ac.in/atm/

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Sojourn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Here you go. Try these in google.com

I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)

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Ashera

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sojourn

I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)

Wow, that's incredible. Garbage link profile and pretty garbage site... everything will sort itself out soon enough.

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Adsman68

14 years ago

Erica,

Now number 2 in Google. Incredible !!

20 backlinks and no age. Bet the owner cant believe his luck. Well, if only he had a decent site he would be raking it in !!

Originally Posted by Sojourn

I'm hooked on these dang examples. You can't help but laugh.

I do rather wish I was this site ranking #3 for "vacuum cleaner reviews" (which gets 40,500 EXACT searches a month!): vacuumcleanerreviews101 DOT org

Which, if I'm reading this right, was just created on March 16, 2012...

Almost makes you wish the algo stayed like this. I could build sites like that with my eyes closed. (And check out that backlink profile.)

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realworld 14 years ago

Most of my sites are aged with solid, meaningful content that I have worked on for many YEARS. As I mentioned in a previous post, the recent algo change demolished my sites. I had sites ranked for countless key phrases and never paid much attention to the exact ranks as long as I was in the top 10, I was good. The recent change on Tuesday wiped away all but a few key phrases. As of yesterday, I thought damage was over and I could at least build on a few remaining key phrases. As of this morning, my major sites are no longer listed for any previously known key phrases (ouch). Fortunately, I am still on the top of Bing and Yahoo. Although Bing and Yahoo only account for roughly 30% of search traffic, I will take what I can get. I am not coming to grips with the reality of G. I will keep my sites going but will no longer provide updates, etc. I suspect this will ultimately hurt G and open the door for another search engine It is time to focus on other endeavors.
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- Intrepreneur 14 years ago
  
  Get this:
  
  it's the end of the world in around 8 months.
  
  There are a lot of poor people - especially the ones who couldn't ever get SEO right.
  
  Google are gonna feed them and keep them happy while the world ends.
  
  All good.
  
  On the other hand..
  
  They said they are only starting to roll out the changes and they have been known before to serve up the worst results ever in the process of making a change.
  
  Keep your heads down and do as they say.. build quality websites.
  
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- majestic12 14 years ago
  
  Check this out "3rd page" onwards in "Google.co.uk"
  
  Search...
  
  holiday companies
  
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  Originally Posted by majestic12
  
  Check this out "3rd page" onwards in "Google.co.uk"
  
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  holiday companies
  
  Imgur that, it's way too small as an attachment.
  
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14 years ago

Google in Australia for Cooking Schools and the 1st position you get is a an ATM
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Insane
Google is broken

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Stevie C

14 years ago

The other strange thing I'm seeing is that the tiny bit of long tail traffic I have retained to my .com site is from google.co.uk, India and Germany - I'm not getting anything back from the USA

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neil_patmore

14 years ago

But something has to take the top 10 positions. So when Google eradicates the high quality sites about breeding goldfish because they are commercial intent and have been optimised to rank well, what's left? Crappy sites that are poorly built, poorly written and haven't been optimised.

Let's face it, who really is going to create a site about breeding goldfish if it isn't for commercial intent? Maybe someone who really is interested in the subject (I'm assuming this keyword does have search volume??), but probably someone who doesn't know how to build a website effectively, write effectively and certainly someone who doesn't know how to optimise a site for users and SEO for the SERPS.

So what are we left with? Probably the very types of sites we see dominating the SERPS today.

Well done for levelling the playing field Goggle, I'm sure this is what your users really want.

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JeanneLynn

14 years ago

Is this a penalty or just a temporary loss of rankings? Is there a chance these sites can come back or is it better to just start new sites?

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mbmehmet

14 years ago

I see there has been no change :-( I was expecting some sort of shuffle :-( Gonna go have a nice cup of tetley tea, put on jeremy kyle then figure out a way to get my income back.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Im seeing a bit of moment on one of my sites. Up to pos 58 from 993. Was at pos 1.

Interestingly, the backlink count for this site went from 30,000 to 6. WTF?

By the way, that vacuum cleaner site is ****en horrible.

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RazorElite 14 years ago

Man I don't know what's going on with Google. Keywords that I have ranked at no. 1 for years I suddenly drop off completely or a few pages down. A couple of my websites don't even rank No. 1 for their website name any more! I also created a blog to rank for a keyword I've been trying to rank for a long time now. I created the blog last week and its suddenly at No. 1 for that keyword. Its a brand new site, hardly as any content and barely any backlinks. We're also seeing so many other crap sites show up on the first page. This better be temporary because Google has completely broken their results.
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brettb

14 years ago

No real change in my site traffic, except some older sites are down. Earnings were poor yesterday, but that might just be a bad day.

I don't do much link building. Go figure.

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Dennis Cheesman

14 years ago

Please quit saying build quality content, and a friendly user experience!

Check this out!

This is a total failure if I have ever seen one!

Look at these results for "bread machine reviews":

#5 breadmachinereviews.tripod.com
#6 breadmachineratings.wikispaces.com
#7 topbreadmakersonline.weebly.com
#8 bestbreadmachines.webs.com
#11 breadxmachine.insanejournal.com
#12 breadmachinesx.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/selecting-a-bread-machine/
#13 bestbreadmachines.tumblr.com
#17 xbreadmachine.livejournal.com/

This was actually #10 youtube.com/watch?v=9wJLkEJSwjE - Not even a video anymore..

And they are all pointing to this site:

breadmachinereviewsx.com

Which is on page 2 at #16

This guy owns the first two pages with CRAP content....

So much for quality content with good user experience right..

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ashish123

14 years ago

hi,
Google changed their algorithm. i also lost my site ranking,now what we will do for improving ranking.

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Dennis Cheesman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ashish123

hi,
Google changed their algorithm. i also lost my site ranking,now what we will do for improving ranking.

Build quality content and continue to do quality backlinking, get links from multiple places, post good quality comments, participate in related forums, get press releases, do web2.0 linking, bookmarks, add social linking to your site such as facebook, twitter, youtube, and google plus.

Just keep pluging away...

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povchef

14 years ago

Well google have made an intresting mess of things. Both me and my major competitors websites have dropped of the face of the web. sure my website isn't perfect but the only reason I can see me loosing rankings is due to 'over-optimisation' of keywords but even that is kinda pushing it for a explination. Funny that now my site is ranking for "related-Keywords" and both my facebook page and twitter account are now ranking on first page for a major keyword I've never even targetted with my main site.
Though the #1 spot is now taken by a trashy single image flash website (haven't seen on of them in a while)

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John Romaine

14 years ago

weebly, tripod, blogspot...????

WTF?

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- John Romaine 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeWike
  
  Yes, those site seems to "rock hard" after the last google algo. I'm going to make some 2 page blogspot sites and see how they rank..
  
  Thats it.
  
  This update is now known as the "BLOGSPOT UPDATE" :rolleyes:
  
  As it seems thats the only sh!t thats ranking.
  
  Heres how to get first page rankings.
  
  1. Create a blogspot account.
  2. Post useless spun crap on it.
  3. Embed a Youtube video (for immediate rankings)
  4. Ensure you have no backlinks
  5. Implement animated graphics (circa 1999)
  
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Franksol

14 years ago

I am hoping to see some good news. Does anyone see positive results with any of your sites yet?

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jimnastics

14 years ago

I've only been doing IM properly for 2 months, have 5 sites, all of which have plummeted off the face of the Earth. Thinking of just packing this in, looks like I missed the glory years big time. What are we supposed to do? Just hang in there and see what happens? How long do we give it?

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jimgk 14 years ago

my site - 1 year old - 125 primary keywords - about 100 dropped in serp beyond our galaxy i think - while my competitiors with their 10-15 year old site still occupy page one for the best phrase.

if needed, can i move my .com site to the same name .net domain
example >>> www. dog. com
site to
example >>> www. dog .net
and start over by removing all unique on page text
or will i have to totally revise my site's html as well ????

>> question to matt cutts - can a domain/website recover in a reasonable amount of time - or will violating websites be punished for ever?
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Oranges

14 years ago

Wait for re-crawl guys!
This mess can't and won't stay for long.

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indiana jones

14 years ago

Is it possible to get exact detailed algorithm formula to watch? Is it the top secret?
Has somebody ever seen this algorytm in own eyes?

1. Backlinks .... % influence?
2. Content .... % influence?
3. Visitors .... % influence?
4. Site age .... % influence?
5. Other factors ...% influence?

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Wieli

14 years ago

I have to say im on both ends on this, i have had trouble with my main site loosingranking for a lot of keywords. I even have a thread up about it and i guess that thread is the same as this reason.

On the other hand. One of my first tryout websites that i made (im new in IM) that the only backlinking i have done is 30 bookmarking submissions when i started the page 2 months ago. And with a total of 4 pages of content. that havent got ANY impression for over a month.

Yesterday this site was on Page 1 for the 2 main KW.

I have no monitizing on this site what so ever because i had kinda let the site die, since in my opinion had made some big mistakes.

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14 years ago

Hint:
Matt Cutts answers to his Boss - his boss answers to shareholders - Shareholders want more money - Google makes more money from ads - deep inside Google doesn't give a cr*p about your site.

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jimnastics

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rankinghero

Hint:
Matt Cutts answers to his Boss - his boss answers to shareholders - Shareholders want more money - Google makes more money from ads - deep inside Google doesn't give a cr*p about your site.

If Google is so desperate to make as much money from ads as possible, surely they would be bumping up every adsense site out there??

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Originally Posted by jimnastics

If Google is so desperate to make as much money from ads as possible, surely they would be bumping up every adsense site out there??

The opposite mate. Think careful, if all sites drop, and SEO companies fail... more companies go where?

PPC
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- jimnastics 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by rankinghero
  
  The opposite mate. Think careful, if all sites drop, and SEO companies fail... more companies go where?
  
  PPC
  
  Hmmm, I see what you're saying
  
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  Canuckystan 14 years ago
  
  I agree with the other posters who say relax and wait for this thing to work through.
  
  This should give you some comfort. I got the big G bitch slap 2 days ago, went from page 1/2 to outer space. Still not back. I did no backlinking, had no adsense, but had a ton of original content. Site is 8 years old, frequent original blogs every few days, active forum. Site is gone - nothing that could offend G.
  
  Ringing your hands and worrying is not worth your time at this point.
  
  It will come back. May take a week or two.
  
  Also, G doesn't owe you sh#t. It is aimed at getting the right results for searchers - that is the ultimate goal. If that doesn't happen, searchers go elsewhere. If searchers go elsewhere, their clicks go with them, and ad revenue goes bye bye. G is not tareting SEO pros or internet marketers. It is targeting crap sites that wind up on pg 1. I get pretty peeved clicking into a crap site with thin content and a million pop-ups. G wants users happy happy, and why not.
  
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martyJames

14 years ago

I think this change is still in motion - several of the KW's i watch now return different results in the serps than earlier today.
One thing i notice is discussion forums are doing well in rankings - weird....

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Mike Hlatky

14 years ago

That vacuum cleaner review site is just awful.

He would be making a good chunk of money if he put together a better website.

40,500 exact searches a month and he puts up some Adsense.............

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14 years ago

on 25th April 2012 . google Panda is updated and dropped the rank

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wAvision

14 years ago

So, i assume google has made no statements, or released any info as of yet about this change, besides the pre change info they put out???

Do a high % of people think the change is still in progress, because i have not noticed any shuffling in my niche for about 24 hrs now.......

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ramcoondemand

14 years ago

Even I dont find any major changes

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14 years ago

haha. Most of my sites are fine. They don'r have any quality content either

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mikeslough11

14 years ago

Hi Everyone,

I really did not know about Google change his alog.

I also check my website ranking this is very useful news for me.

Thanks for sharing such a great information.

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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by googlemac

Of course , again We got results.

What are you talking about? :confused:

Please stop with all of your banal comments and say something useful once in a while.
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John Romaine

14 years ago

My site Website Purchase Agreement was ranked first for the search term "website purchase agreement"

It got slammed back to page 83.

Yet this piece of copied **** below, which is a DIRECT COPY OF MY SITE, is currently ranked page 3.

website purchase agreement sales contract

WTF????????????????

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knocksense

14 years ago

i think Google did not do any update .. just ROLLBACK to the 90's where people built site via tripod .. this is sick!

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icklepickle 14 years ago

I'm seeing some of mine creeping back up again. Although one keyword still not in the top 100 but hopefully it's straightening itself out. Did a weebly site too to test it out and in the process of doing some links towards that. Strange though, some of my higher PR sites which I use for articles are on first page google for some of my keyword whereas before they were no where. This update is weird.
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14 years ago

Yes, 3.5 Google Panda Update (rumoured)

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rinor81 14 years ago

My sites are dead too....sites which were not spam but niche related and updated with content yet Google does what ever he wishes.

This calls for one solution guys - Google is no longer as it was years ago, it is not friendly or rational, so if you (and me too) want to succeed online I say it's time to find out traffic sources than Google...that is my answer and solution to these crazy changes and shifts every time.
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Steadyon

14 years ago

For all those people complaining about spammy crappy sites now filling many of the top spots in their niches, most of the tops spots in my niches are now filled by .gov, .edu and big brand sites :-(

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John Romaine

14 years ago

These 4 sites are ranked first page for financial related terms.

» 10 Ways to Simplify Your Budget :zenhabits

Organise Your Finances

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/alpha/money.html

Organizing Made Fun: How I organize my finances

This is APPAULING.

I seriously feel like Ive gone back in time to 1996.

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ian a birch

14 years ago

Still lost my 2 main sites but have noticed sub-domains from the 2 sites are now starting to appear in searches?

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1byte

14 years ago

Haha, I did a search on Google for "search engine" and here are the top 5 results:

#1 Dogpile.com
#2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine
#3 AltaVista.com
#4 DuckDuckGo.com
#5 TheSearchEngineList.com

DogPile is #1 and AltaVista is #3? Seriously???

Looks like we've gone back in time to the 90's. And some people say there is no such thing as a time machine :p

I think I'll watch Back To The Future this weekend...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Haha, I did a search on Google for "search engine" and here are the top 5 results:

#1 Dogpile.com
#2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_search_engine
#3 AltaVista.com
#4 DuckDuckGo.com
#5 TheSearchEngineList.com

DogPile is #1 and AltaVista is #3? Seriously???

Looks like we've gone back in time to the 90's. And some people say there is no such thing as a time machine :p

I think I'll watch Back To The Future this weekend...

how about "best search engine"

1.dogpile.com

the 4th position is an article entitled "Google just made bing the best search engine"

6th position is an article entitled which is the best search engine dated 2nd june 2003

At least Google are still giving us a laugh even if they are messing with our livelihoods:rolleyes:

Couldn't rank for 'lose weight now' well you were doing it all wrong as proved by the burritodiet.com coming in at 4th place

what about "get your ex back" learn from the masters by searching the top hits for this keyword

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scottmacair 14 years ago

I just checked a site i discarded a while back as it was a pile of rubbish - it's an EMD with spun private blog network links / spun article directory links and it's in position 1 on google
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RazorElite

14 years ago

So here's something funny with this update. One of my main keywords which I ranked no. 1 for years and brought in a ton of traffic, fell off completely.

But guess what sites are now ranking high for this keyword? Websites talking about my site. Yup, sites now have pages ranking that do nothing but 'review' my company yet my site is nowhere to be seen. That doesn't even make sense.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by RazorElite

So here's something funny with this update. One of my main keywords which I ranked no. 1 for years and brought in a ton of traffic, fell off completely.

But guess what sites are now ranking high for this keyword? Websites talking about my site. Yup, sites now have pages ranking that do nothing but 'review' my company yet my site is nowhere to be seen. That doesn't even make sense.

More or less what I've seen with a few of my sites too. Not all of them tanked but those that did, sites that are talking about my site, linking to my site (and exclusively my site) are ranking in the top 20, at least 5-6 spots.

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ayetti

14 years ago

so our thoughts on this are basically.....no on knows. I have heard a lot people on other boards saying they think backlinks in general have been de valued and PR doesn't matter anymore....what does this leave us?

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Canuckystan

14 years ago

Come on, it's ridiculous to speculate at this point, it's only been a few days, and people are already making conclusions on backlinking and PR? Get real.

Originally Posted by ayetti

so our thoughts on this are basically.....no on knows. I have heard a lot people on other boards saying they think backlinks in general have been de valued and PR doesn't matter anymore....what does this leave us?

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wAvision

14 years ago

Dust seems to have settled in my niche...with no movements in the last 24hrs i dont know what to think......

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jimgk

14 years ago

if G wants searchers to get the best results, G should be evaluating websites for content and useability, and should punish only those sites that have neither AND invest in BLs to waste searchers time. Just because a site has loads of crappy BLs does not by itself mean the site is not of high value.

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Theeban

14 years ago

huh...I got # 6 from # 490 on Google.co.uk - I did not used only well written articles blast on web 2.0, article directories and press releases along with some bookmarks and story submissions. But, I know this huge jump may be due to current changes on Google... However, I am not going to stop, going to keep working....

On the other hand, totally lost positions of my client's site on Google.fr where too I had applied almost same methods, but still working on it without stopping...

So, I cannot conclude about backlinks strategy at this point....

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ayetti

14 years ago

I think the weirdest part of all of this is that I am getting entirely different results when doing a google search from firefox vs chrome, safari, IE

I am getting the same results from everything but firefox.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ayetti

I think the weirdest part of all of this is that I am getting entirely different results when doing a google search from firefox vs chrome, safari, IE

I am getting the same results from everything but firefox.

I'm getting the same result from all of the browsers I've tried. Results seem to be consistent across browsers on my end...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ayetti

I think the weirdest part of all of this is that I am getting entirely different results when doing a google search from firefox vs chrome, safari, IE

I am getting the same results from everything but firefox.

Scratch that I am retarded

Originally Posted by 1byte

I'm getting the same result from all of the browsers I've tried. Results seem to be consistent across browsers on my end...

I just checked and I guess one of the toolbars had enabled the site preference option.

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LeapingHorse

14 years ago

I can confirm like so many others, my sites have been hit HARD. I have lost roughly 65-70% of my traffic, and although I've certainly used link building techniques such as BMR for most of these sites, the content itself is original and of value to people searching for the keywords they rank for (or used to at least).

And in one niche where I have multiple websites that were getting 500+ visitors each daily and were each at least a year old, the only website that experienced a boost (by double) was one in the same niche that is only a month old. Go figure.

Anyways, it sucks, but first off, I'm confident they will come back. I've had sites nosedive for whatever reason and then comeback in full force before. Not because of an algo change, but because ultimately I believe Google does want websites with good content ranking well.

In this case, we have TONS of examples of search results on the frontpage that I can guarantee you Google doesn't want there. I am fully confident that this change isn't something that they just launched and it's done with right away. There will be readjustments and rankings will continue to fluctuate. I believe if your website has original, non-spammy content that can be useful to people, it will eventually come back. And let's hope it comes back even stronger.

In the meantime, although it will be a temporary hit to my income, I'm gonna find the positive in this and work on new things. I've grown a little complacent since my sites were doing quite well, so now's a time to try new things and start using some domains I've had parked for a while to test out new projects.

Try to stay calm and see the positive in this. Believe me, everytime I refresh my traffic stats it makes me sick, but I also believe that at the end of the day there are some very smart people working at Google and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this isn't the end result they wanted.

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djf1981

14 years ago

My site is/was an authority site ranked #1 for several keywords in its niche. It contains high quality original content , has plenty of "natural" links. The pages that have tanked are the ones that I used link building on. I used a variety of link building campaigns including BMR . I think I was guilty off using over optimised anchor text.

About a month ago I got the GWT warning for unnatural links detected and my rankings went from page 1 #1 to mid-bottom of page 1.

2 days ago these same pages dissapeared from the serps althogether but pages with no link building done to them are still ranking as high as ever.
The question is, is this a penalty , a re-ranking or what and do I build more de-optimised links to these pages or not.

So confused by what's happening right now and like others I'm not sure what is the best way to proceed.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

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Canuckystan 14 years ago

It's too early to strategize - give it a week and see what happens. You could do all kinds of things just to realize that it was just a re-ranking by Google.

Let's remember the hundreds of millions sites out there - Google can't possibly rank everything properly within a day or so. G has data centers around the world - it takes time for them to talk to each other, analyze data, and rank.
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Mr Lim

14 years ago

I just can't believe something.com simply ranked on the first page as search term of "something".

They are nothing else but "something".

If you search for "blank", blank.org appears on the #1 spot, the site indeed blank page.

Bing is a useful tool somehow, don't just stay in the Google box.

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Theeban

14 years ago

I had noticed that few guys are confirming that they are still up and they are saying that they did not get links using anchor text much, they had used URL links as well as spread anchor text for many keywords.... - May be we should note this point...!!!

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LeapingHorse

14 years ago

Quick question - I know Google sent out a warning to webmasters about "cloaking" - I assume this doesn't apply to affiliate links that are cloaked with something like pretty links does it?

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14 years ago

Just saw this posted on the Google Webmaster Blog, you gotta check this video out, it provided (at least for me) some greatly needed comic relief. Some strong language, but beyond that I thought it was hilarious. Check it out.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update...

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Just saw this posted on the Google Webmaster Blog, you gotta check this video out, it provided (at least for me) some greatly needed comic relief. Some strong language, but beyond that I thought it was hilarious. Check it out.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

That's some funny sh*t there.

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90% of my sites dropped, still no recovery, how about you guys?
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  90% of my sites dropped, still no recovery, how about you guys?
  
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Just saw this posted on the Google Webmaster Blog, you gotta check this video out, it provided (at least for me) some greatly needed comic relief. Some strong language, but beyond that I thought it was hilarious. Check it out.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

I can't stop laughing. I think I just cracked my ribs lol

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Just saw this posted on the Google Webmaster Blog, you gotta check this video out, it provided (at least for me) some greatly needed comic relief. Some strong language, but beyond that I thought it was hilarious. Check it out.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

Still doesn't stop the pain.

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RayW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Just saw this posted on the Google Webmaster Blog, you gotta check this video out, it provided (at least for me) some greatly needed comic relief. Some strong language, but beyond that I thought it was hilarious. Check it out.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

lol I nearly died laughing at the Imran Naseem part.

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Matt Ward

14 years ago

I'm trying to stop being concerned for the moment considered the absolute chaos the SERPS are in right now. There are many examples posted here already. I'm just going to try to relax and hope things move around a bit.

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Canuckystan

14 years ago

Yup, time for a beer.

Originally Posted by Matt Ward

I'm trying to stop being concerned for the moment considered the absolute chaos the SERPS are in right now. There are many examples posted here already. I'm just going to try to relax and hope things move around a bit.

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cooler1

14 years ago

Someone in another thread said that this Penguin update won't be rolled back apart from maybe some minor tweaks. Is this correct?

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LaurentiuRo

14 years ago

I, myself got hit pretty hard.I was ranking #1 for my keywords and then suddenly my site disappeared and then came back on 15th position. With a little backlinking and etc I managed to bring it on page 5. it's there for about 3 days now and no change. I am doing all I can, and i hope I see some improvement again. I already lost alot of money and time as the site was being quite succesful.

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mbmehmet

14 years ago

I still can't believe negative SEO is a reality. WTF are google doing? Where does Matt Cutts live?

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NoodlyDoodly

14 years ago

Hey things have settled in my niche QUITE NICELY I might add.

Page 3 & 4 have 3 websites from the same 2%-content, 98%-SEO network from the same guy. But pages 1 & 2 are splendid.

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  it's been 3 days, i'm convinced that my sites aren't going to come back...
  
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realworld 14 years ago

Time to relax and let the smoke settle. If the sites do not bounce back, we must pick ourselves up and move in a different direction. I always felt funny about google controlling my traffic/revenue.
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zoro

14 years ago

All mine and all of my clients sites have been relegated to beyond 100 ranking?
The F...,,, is going on? My clients are screaming!!

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jinx1221

14 years ago

People, could you please do me a favor? Either before or after screaming and panicking, and saying "wtf happened to my site", etc etc, can you please say whether you:

a. used autospun or poorly spun content as part of your linkbuilding campaigns
b. had backinks within non-related content, with or without spun content

This would help narrow things down a whole lot. Thanks!

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jinx1221

People, could you please do me a favor? Either before or after screaming and panicking, and saying "wtf happened to my site", etc etc, can you please say whether you:

a. used autospun or poorly spun content as part of your linkbuilding campaigns

b. had backinks within non-related content, with or without spun content

This would help narrow things down a whole lot. Thanks!

a. used autospun or poorly spun content as part of your linkbuilding campaigns

Nope!

b. had backinks within non-related content, with or without spun content

Nope!

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mrtrance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

a. used autospun or poorly spun content as part of your linkbuilding campaigns

Nope!

b. had backinks within non-related content, with or without spun content

Nope!

So do you think that this algo really is not a plenty for our sites, but somehow favoring other sites and pushed our sites out of the way?

I too have sites that got dropped where I did not engage in any of these types of backlinks. Otherwise I'm thinking it has something to do with my onpagefactors as well because sites that got hit some shared same link patterns but others did not. Only the onsite structure was the same for all these sites.

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ryanvroman

14 years ago

Jinx,

Keep in mind, that the very example that Google provided with a spun article and obviously junk back link - the site that link points to is #2 for that very competitive term.

"autospun content" is NOT the culprit behind this change.

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14 years ago

Jinx,

I believe just about all of my sites were impacted. Some were never SEO'd and others were SEO'd with just ezine and others were SEO'd with 2-3 articles per week to SYA. G slipped and I think we just need to relax and regroup with a new plan. Even if they come back, I do not like the fact knowing that G could slip again and again and again. I do not want to wonder daily if my sites are still ranked. This is a good time to look for other opportunities. A bunch of SEO companies have reach out to me and I simply chuckle

. I question all/any SEO techniques at this point. G seems to penalize for white hat SEO. I have given some thought to going black hat at this point - nothing to loose

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jinx1221

14 years ago

Ok, well we're all in agreement that there is some disorganization going on right now, but thinking about it, like I said in another post, everybody is going thru a major 'google dance', like throwing a neatly stacked deck of cards up in the air, taking out the 'jokers', and restacking the deck. It's way too early, especially for sites like WebProNews, to be reporting this as an absolute certainty that this is the way it is now and forever. Let the dust settle! Besides, on the bright side, if G did mess up, well, who here has ever coded before? Have you not ever said "oops" and fixed it? So, bright side is, G is in the end human, as vulnerable and prone to mistakes as we are, which also means that they arent something to be so afraid of after all

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RatRaceWatch

14 years ago

A solid lesson in never relying on a search engine for most of your business, I've had my share of battle scars with google and that is why im stepping away from caring what that search engine really does.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch

A solid lesson in never relying on a search engine for most of your business, I've had my share of battle scars with google and that is why im stepping away from caring what that search engine really does.

I agree 150%

If we want our business to succeed we need to find other traffic sources and never rely only on one source, especially when this source changes its algorithm or does whatever it wants every couple of months....time to move along and think of new things.

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14 years ago

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Good Step toward Quality though , it is my play ground :-)

Besides there is a Ton of Other Traffic sources Personaly Google is Second on my List ,

Socialmedia is the best then google will pickup the Viral Effect.

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suncit

14 years ago

Yes I agree, diversify your traffic sources.

Personally I believe google messed up big time.
On one search term that I had the #1 spot for, I've been replaced by a page from tumblr with 3 instances of duplicate content, all from Web 2.0 sites.
I don't see how this improves user experience.

I've always been slow to look for alternative traffic sources, but there's nothing like a swift kick in the ass like this to get me moving.
I feel for those whose livelyhood is at stake, my income has slowed to a trickle but I consider this a wake up call.

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headmaster211

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by suncit

Yes I agree, diversify your traffic sources.

Personally I believe google messed up big time.
On one search term that I had the #1 spot for, I've been replaced by a page from tumblr with 3 instances of duplicate content, all from Web 2.0 sites.
I don't see how this improves user experience.

I've always been slow to look for alternative traffic sources, but there's nothing like a swift kick in the ass like this to get me moving.
I feel for those whose livelyhood is at stake, my income has slowed to a trickle but I consider this a wake up call.

Same is the case with my keyword. In last week, I have seen around 4 sites to be in top 10 are not there ( I was at 2). Instead the guy sitting on top 1 has just a 1 page spam website. Google got to do something about it.

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headmaster211

Banned 14 years ago

I have this site build around 40 days ago. Was page 1 for my 6 main keywords and was getting around 200 visitors daily. Now those pages are no where to be seen. I haven't done any bad SEO.

I hope its just a glitch. I had worked pretty hard for this and it was making me a decent amount of money. This is really sick and sometimes very irritating and frustrating.

Did anyone got their rankings back till now?

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ereader1407 14 years ago

one of my authority site is improving in position.

while the 2 other minisites are down about 3-4 position from earlier. from no.2 to no.7 now.

ive been optimizing these websites with difrent way on each other..

my authority site that use the white hat strategy getting improve in position day by day.

my other 2 website that use massive backlink strategi are decrease in position ESPECIALLY in this month! HELL!!
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jacaranda9dbux

14 years ago

if only we can tell every internet users to ban Google and use Bing instead.. Google is broken, who would want to use anything that's broken? they should fix this asap!

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ComoSEO

14 years ago

It's weird because I have some sites that the rankings stayed the same or went up. One of my sites got hit hard for all the keyword terms and it was a PR2 site with quality content for 4 years...

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dolomitesguide

14 years ago

yes, the shocking update ever.

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J3thro M

14 years ago

O MY GOODNESS.... something called like "Penguin" webspam algorithm update on April 24th, 2012.... Same date that 2 of my main sites got hit hard, really hard

. Goodbye $4000/month for me, have to rebuild again but it is just so confusing at the moment.

SEO is dead, Negative SEO, OverOptimization, Really Really Private High PR Blog Network Works [for how long?].... :confused:

But still, I do not hate google at all. I've already predicted that something like this would happen, just don't know when. That is why I can't let go of my offline job. But I am sure that I will still be in the game, might take many months again to rebuild...:p

OUcchhh!!!!!!!

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jacaranda9dbux

14 years ago

same here.. looks like I'll be pinned down on my day job office desk for a few more years

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jacaranda9dbux

14 years ago

Hope guys over at Microsoft could see this in the other forum (or here):

"..(users) will never leave the Google pasture until someone leads them by the hand. Of course if Microsoft would wakeup and put together some clever television ads pointing out the stupidity of Googles results, the sheep would have a hand to take hold of and walk them in a new direction."

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powerboss

14 years ago

Too many bad results, very cheap content websites are ranking high. This is a blunder of an update from Google. Hope they are reading into many of these forums, who are seriously questioning about the quality of results.

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hocuspocus32

14 years ago

Hey if you feel you have been wrongly pushed down the SERP, you can contact Google directly. The head of the webspam team (aka Matt Cutts) tweeted: "If you know a site affected by algo update that you don't think should be affected, we made a form to provide feedback. goo.gl/nt3Pz"

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realworld

14 years ago

Originally Posted by hocuspocus32

Hey if you feel you have been wrongly pushed down the SERP, you can contact Google directly. The head of the webspam team (aka Matt Cutts) tweeted: "If you know a site affected by algo update that you don't think should be affected, we made a form to provide feedback. goo.gl/nt3Pz"

This is good in theory

. Unfortunately, they will receive too many submissions to take action. Like other posters on this thread, it is time to move forward. Bing and Yahoo continue to send a small amount of traffic to my sites and for that I am thankful.

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Ndot India

14 years ago

Google didn't update the algorithm as mentioned by aygabtu because last month only Google announced that it will change the algorithm until 2012 end.

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cooler1

14 years ago

Still no improvement in the rankings. Still garbage sites ranking high on 1st page for good keywords.

Someone in another thread said that this Penguin update has been rolled out and won't change apart from minor changes yet others are saying the update will take many days to be fully rolled out. Which is it?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Still no improvement in the rankings. Still garbage sites ranking high on 1st page for good keywords.

Someone in another thread said that this Penguin update has been rolled out and won't change apart from minor changes yet others are saying the update will take many days to be fully rolled out. Which is it?

It's over. Matt Cutts has already asked for feedback, meaning the main shuffling is done.

However, Google updates all kinds of factors every day so you might still see shuffling.

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Lyanna

14 years ago

Oh my gosh, so this is it? My sites were hit hard, no idea what to do now.

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cooler1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyanna

Oh my gosh, so this is it? My sites were hit hard, no idea what to do now.

Some people on this forum say you need to buy a new domain if your site was effected by Penguin.

I don't understand that at all. If this update is about "over optimization" then why can't you alter your on page optimization then wait for the bot to recrawl your site??

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jimnastics

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Some people on this forum say you need to buy a new domain if your site was effected by Penguin.

I don't understand that at all. If this update is about "over optimization" then why can't you alter your on page optimization then wait for the bot to recrawl your site??

"Over optimization" is not just about on-page, it's off-page / backlinking as well. In fact, it's likely that it's far more geared towards backlinking. If your site has hundreds or thousands of spammy backlinks, you might as well forget about it and start again with a new domain. Also, it's hard to know how badly Google penalize the domain itself... who's to say if you cleaned your site of all nasty backlinks, it would even come back anyway? Why should Google care? Your domain could be indefinitely penalized.

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Haidi

14 years ago

Always lost with Google, any idea which good traffic can get.

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ShivaLingam 14 years ago

Just checked on Yahoo finance and the Google stock in pre-trading seems to be going down a bit, we'll see as soon as the NYSE opens in 15 minutes or so
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  The past few days have just been sad, I've held a front page ranking for 4.5 years, a #1 ranking for that same keyword for 3.5 years. I check the serps on the 24th and their down to rank #13. WTF?
  
  I produce regular, original content that is handwritten by me (I run a news site with a forum). Although depressing, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's seen a loss in rankings.
  
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Janet Walker

14 years ago

Here is funny video that my lighten things up a bit - It did for me.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

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martyJames 14 years ago

Ha Ha!!!! excellent - thanks Janet - i just copied the link into Webmaster Central forum ...hope Matt Cutss enjoys it!

cheers

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Originally Posted by Janet Walker

Here is funny video that my lighten things up a bit - It did for me.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube
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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Janet Walker

Here is funny video that my lighten things up a bit - It did for me.

Hitler's Reaction to the recent Google update (04-24-2012) - YouTube

Hehe, Same video I posted in this thread on post #279. I guess you didn't see it...
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indiana jones

14 years ago

So, my questions:

1. Are backlinks good or bad thing nowadays?
2. What backlinks are ideal reputation?
3. Have quality backlinks some positive influence on new algorithm, or absolutely worthless?

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brettb

14 years ago

Guys, take a step back and ask yourself if your site *really* is useful. Be honest with yourself.

What have you all been doing this week? Writing 1, 10, 1000 articles?

This week I've been building a membership site. In time it will get its own natural links. This is the way forward.

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ShivaLingam 14 years ago

The stock market has opened half an hour ago and Google is down more than 3 points... ans they say in the stock market: The path of least resistance is down
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LeapingHorse

14 years ago

Fact is that many of the penalized sites didn't have truly useful content, but many did. And it doesn't look like Google is returning results that are "more" useful at this point.

Do I believe that the sites that have been knocked down will automatically bounce back?

No. But I don't believe that this was a "set it and forget it" approach. Adjustments are still occurring and I believe that my affected sites will creep back up if I keep building original content built for visitors and NOT search engines.

As for backlinking approaches, the key is not to spam, but that doesn't mean that you can't write articles that have backlinks. If a webmaster publishes an article as a way to get traffic, this isn't a bad thing and I really don't believe they will be "punished"

Now if you blast the same article to 2,000 websites in a matter of a couple of days, then yeah....that's spammy.

Anyways, it can be hard to stay upbeat. I've gone from $300 a day to $60ish. It's brutal, but since I'm not and wasn't using blackhat techniques, I have faith that it will turn around. Might take a couple weeks or a couple of months, but I definitely don't think that it's done and over with.

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likeabird70

14 years ago

Hi,

I want to say from the beginning I am not an expert in SEO or anything, and this Google update put my site ( which was at #5 a few days ago) right up to #1. Not a garbage site, but SEO optimized, review site, waiting for going up in serps one place at a time.

Great for me, right?

Well, not that great!

Something is going on, probably the "shuffle" is not over, because for a weird reason, my site gets 1-3 visitors, when it should be getting 30-40 /day for that keyword. I know, not big deal ( 30 visitors), but for me it is. This is the first site that I ever optimized and I worked hard on it ( even though it is based on a kw with less traffic - it should get about 800/month at #1).

Is this normal for a site on #1? I am very disappointed. I can not even imagine how it feels to have your site rank going down like what you guys are going through right now, but if it helps, I believe it is only temporarily.

The traffic at #1 is not what is supposed to be. Something is not right.

And if you are thinking to tell me about changing my description , put in a call to action, all that stuff, it has been there when the site was at #7, #6, #5, and it brought more clicks than now when it is at #1.

I am wondering now if it was worth all my time and work...

Any idea of what's going on?
Sites going down the serps, sites that go up get no traffic? How is that possible?

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martyJames

14 years ago

The key will be to 'spam' better - higher quality links - rankings come from quality links - forget about all this 'quality content' - Google is just a program - you need original content, thats all - plus quality links

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Green Moon

14 years ago

I have several sites and the effect is all over the place. I've never used massive linking or excessive offsite SEO, though I usually do try to use anchor text rather than the URL.

Mostly, my sites are unaffected as a whole but many of them have a few pages that have been knocked way down for their key words. Some of them have pages that have dropped off the first page but are still on the second or third page instead of dropping by hundreds of places or even completely disappearing.

One site which has not seen a material drop in position in the SERPs still seems to be suffering a major decrease in visitors, in the range of a 50% or more drop.

I am very confused and will have to wait to see how this all shakes out.

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dhiggins1979

14 years ago

I have 3 sites, 1 that I have had for 60+ days, and another recently started. The 60+ day old one is my main one, the other two are ones that I try new things with before changing things. Anyways with the Google Algo this week, I have to say my site looks good. I have all unique content, thoroughly researched. Some posts have videos,all have relevant images. All 500-600 words. My main KW only became ranked 3 weeks ago, coming in at 180ish. Beginning of the week was at 97, next day 85, then shot to 47, later in the day back up to mid 80's. As of right now sits at 37. I also have several interior pages ranking in the 50-125 spots. They have all been more or less up and down, but no real changes.
I know I am fairly new to the Google game, but my advice to everyone is sit back and just study the changes. We all knew "Panda" was coming. We all knew the SERP's would dance. It's dancing and the dust has to settle. As much as Google tries to screw with SEO, they must have a plan. They would not be giving irrelevant search results for fun. The dust has to settle.
I am not going to do anything to my site for the next 7 days or so. I am going to watch the analytic's and see what is happening.It's the only way to play their game, learn and move forward.Good Luck to everyone!

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14 years ago

i noticed it and it really helped me as i moved up the serps for my target keywords.

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itlnoor

14 years ago

Well I am in Great Company. I built a website from the scratch with lot of original content. I competed against the best and got the regional No1 ranking and a respectable Adsense earning. I never over optimized or used any automation. I did diversify my link building and never indulged in huge spammy blasts.

Now the site which was in NO1 rank regionally is replaced by a inner link from a respectable newspaper site and I could see lots of youtube and other useless links in the top while I was put at 50 - 70. I am dancing.

Hoping against the hope that things will get back to normal. What we must do to get things to normal?? Has the word come out? will we get back our rankings??

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habibj

14 years ago

Originally Posted by itlnoor

Well I am in Great Company. I built a website from the scratch with lot of original content. I competed against the best and got the regional No1 ranking and a respectable Adsense earning. I never over optimized or used any automation. I did diversify my link building and never indulged in huge spammy blasts.

Now the site which was in NO1 rank regionally is replaced by a inner link from a respectable newspaper site and I could see lots of youtube and other useless links in the top while I was put at 50 - 70. I am dancing.

Hoping against the hope that things will get back to normal. What we must do to get things to normal?? Has the word come out? will we get back our rankings??

I made some on page adjustments and my sites are already returning. However, not to normal at least yet. Time to do more work to make Google better I suppose and with any luck I will get back to the top.

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habibj

14 years ago

Originally Posted by habibj

I made some on page adjustments and my sites are already returning. However, not to normal at least yet. Time to do more work to make Google better I suppose and with any luck I will get back to the top.

If that does not work, then I guess it is time to test negative SEO and torch everyone else to that I can move up. Something has to work...

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LeapingHorse

14 years ago

Originally Posted by habibj

I made some on page adjustments and my sites are already returning. However, not to normal at least yet. Time to do more work to make Google better I suppose and with any luck I will get back to the top.

What sort of adjustments did you make?

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wAvision

14 years ago

Originally Posted by habibj

I made some on page adjustments and my sites are already returning. However, not to normal at least yet. Time to do more work to make Google better I suppose and with any luck I will get back to the top.

Can you please share what it is you have changed?

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14 years ago

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by hamben54

I am looking for a true partner to help with marketing insurance online. I have been selling insurance the old fashion way for over 20 years. As I look at the future of my business. It is obvious that more and more clients will be purchasing there insurance products online. I have spent the last 6 months reading about SEO and learning everything I can and I have had some success with a website that I have had for about 7 years with finally getting some movement for a few keywords so I have a very basic understanding of how it all works. With that said it has also brought me to the realization that advertising the old fashion way is dead. However I have always had a huge problem with advertisers who always promise you will make huge ROI's.
EXAMPLE: A few years back my yellow page rep stopped by to give me the annual nasty graham (rate increase) my bill was ballooning to over $2,000 per month for a quarter pages. She couldn't understand my reaction to the news and suggested we should just spend more. I guess she didn't understand spending more than we get back isn't a sustainable business model.
In my opinion SEO is nothing more than advertising. Whether it is Yellow pages, television or radio spots it all comes down to ROI and gaining new clients.
Every SEO company I have talked to in the last 6 months has promised the same thing. They will drive tons of traffic to my site and sales will go through the roof of course there is no risk on their part.
The pay for performance SEO companies are somewhat intriguing however no true sales will happen until the key words are ranked in the top 5, so again no ROI for quite some time if any.
Let me sum this up by saying if you are a top level Internet marketer then put your money were your mouth is and I will do the same. Yes a very bold statement but I am willing to offer Actual Ownership in my agency for profit driven results. That's right actual stock in the company.
SO If you are capable of driving tons of traffic to our website that turns into actual sales and profit then I would be more than willing to give that firm or individual a stake in my company. After all it makes good business sense to have a smaller peace of a growing pie.
Who's willing to step up?
I look forward to talking with candidates.
Lee

Lee...

I'd be willing to maybe step up but the problem with your proposal is that conversions are out of the control of the SEO. I could get you traffic but I can't make it convert. Why would I want to potentially waste time (and money) driving traffic to your site if your site doesn't convert?

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HCRoyo 14 years ago

Just got it from another forum... is there some truth to this?

"According to NY times, Google will be reviewed by the FTC

nytimes.com/2012/04/27/technology/google-antitrust-inquiry-advances.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp

For those who suffered dearly on this update - business wrecked, site missing from listing, loss in revenue, you should know that you can report this to the FTC.

Here goes

ftccomplaintassistant.gov

The complaints will carry weight if it's done in bulk.

LET'S REPORT THIS TO THE FTC!

PASS THIS MESSAGE AROUND!!

QUOTE FROM FTC WEBSITE:

The Federal Trade Commission, the nation's consumer protection agency, collects complaints about companies, business practices, identity theft, and episodes of violence in the media.

Why: Your complaints can help us detect patterns of wrong-doing, and lead to investigations and prosecutions. The FTC enters all complaints it receives into Consumer Sentinel, a secure online database that is used by thousands of civil and criminal law enforcement authorities worldwide. The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints.

Please note the last line: "The FTC does not resolve individual consumer complaints." - like I have mentioned before, the complaints will carry weight if it's done in bulk.

SO PASS THE MESSAGE AROUND!!"
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RWhite

14 years ago

You boys need to take this outside.

Originally Posted by hamben54

My point exactly Traffic does not mean anything unless a sale is made.
This would be something very different but below is some number I was running through my head.
Let me further explain how I would see this partnership working out financially.
Internet Marketer would be given stock for hitting certain production levels but would participate day one in the gross (yes Gross Profit) profit of the sales generated.
Gross profit would come from two separate sources.
Profit center 1 would be 20% of gross profit of directly generated sales.
Example:
There are approximately 50,000 Google enquires a day for the keyword life insurance
Our goal would be to capture 5% of the searches and sale 1% of the captures.
Meeting this goal for just on product line would generate a monthly income to the marketer of approximately. $24,000
Profit center 2 would be 10% of retained Margine of any product sold by any agent referred to the firm.
Retained Margine is the % kept by the brokerage firm above the agent levels. This will vary by product but for most life products figure about 20%.
Example: Assume a 20% retained merging by the brokerage firm Marketer would receive 10% of that which would be about 2%
Goal would be to have 1000 agents referred to the Brokerage firm.
Assume the 1000 agents each sale 1 policy per month would generate a monthly income to the marketer of approximately $16,000
Hitting these goals would produce a combined monthly income to the marketer of approximately $40,000
i cant post a link but here is the sites name. google benham and associates

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realworld 14 years ago

After giving the recent updates more thought and reading the posts on this thread, it would be very easy to take down competing sites through black hat techniques. How do we know this is not part of the problem? I am hearing from people that had little to no SEO on their sites and they held top rank for years. G is a mess.
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  Yup, there's an update from G and its rolling out this week. Be wary on how you optimize your site.
  
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  Bing is my new friend. I am curious to know if Bing/Yahoo will follow G.
  
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iAmNameLess

14 years ago

Originally Posted by realworld

This is good in theory

. Unfortunately, they will receive too many submissions to take action. Like other posters on this thread, it is time to move forward. Bing and Yahoo continue to send a small amount of traffic to my sites and for that I am thankful.

Originally Posted by mosthost

It's over. Matt Cutts has already asked for feedback, meaning the main shuffling is done.

However, Google updates all kinds of factors every day so you might still see shuffling.

Guys...

Stop reading what you WANT and read what the actual words are.

Matt Cutts said even if you report a site that shouldn't be ranking or quality sites that aren't ranking, it isn't going to change anything. He said this is an algorithm update, and manual exceptions will not be made. HOWEVER, he said he would pass the information along to the engineers to see how they can improve on the next update.

It's funny... because only 3% of sites were supposed to be hit, but if you come on here or listen to the SEO community, it seems like 90% were hit.

This is what Google wants.. to get rid of the manipulation.. now in a couple months everyone will feel all warm and fuzzy inside because they adapted and are back in good shape.

It's an ongoing battle.

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maheshr

14 years ago

Originally Posted by iAmNameLess

It's funny... because only 3% of sites were supposed to be hit, but if you come on here or listen to the SEO community, it seems like 90% were hit.

This is what Google wants.. to get rid of the manipulation.. now in a couple months everyone will feel all warm and fuzzy inside because they adapted and are back in good shape.

It's an ongoing battle.

Do a google dot com search for "buy propecia" ....you will get

#1, geointv.com/category/general
#2, wcs.asu.edu
#3, einsurancecalifornia.com/auto-insurance.php

checkout the sites. They are 0% relavent to the search term. Seond one is "Women in Computer Science" and 3rd one is "Auto Insurance" Still think google is getting better?

You are supporting google because you escaped from the recent updates. If things are going like this, how long you will be unaffected?

checkout work-from-home-data-entry-jobs.com . It is ranking on #11 th position for the keyword "work from home data entry", outranking many high quality sites(5 sites from the top 10 vanished in the recent update) with 'ABSOLUTELY ZERO' content. That site only has a single page and a theme uploaded.

Guys, Google is making billions because of websmasters, but they are treating us like this. its time to make an association or something like that for webmasters. Then all webmasters can agree to put a simple code to block googlebot on robot.text. In one day google will be out of bussiness and the so called Matt Cutts and other biggies of google will be jobless.

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realworld

14 years ago

Originally Posted by maheshr

Guys, Google is making billions because of websmasters, but they are treating us like this. its time to make an association or something like that for webmasters. Then all webmasters can agree to put a simple code to block googlebot on robot.text. In one day google will be out of bussiness and the so called Matt Cutts and other biggies of google will be jobless.

FULLY AGREE! I have thought the same for the last couple of years. What gives G the right to list my site? Just because I have a phone number does mean I give telemarketers the right to call me (US reference)

. G should request me to have my site listed, not the other way around. I strongly support an association of webmasters and SEO specialists. We could be the next UAW. Hmmmm - the more I think about it, the more it like

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spirituscorpus

14 years ago

Originally Posted by maheshr

Do a google dot com search for "buy propecia" ....you will get

#1, geointv.com/category/general
#2, wcs.asu.edu
#3, einsurancecalifornia.com/auto-insurance.php

checkout the sites. They are 0% relavent to the search term. Seond one is "Women in Computer Science" and 3rd one is "Auto Insurance" Still think google is getting better?

You are supporting google because you escaped from the recent updates. If things are going like this, how long you will be unaffected?

checkout work-from-home-data-entry-jobs.com . It is ranking on #11 th position for the keyword "work from home data entry", outranking many high quality sites(5 sites from the top 10 vanished in the recent update) with 'ABSOLUTELY ZERO' content. That site only has a single page and a theme uploaded.

Guys, Google is making billions because of websmasters, but they are treating us like this. its time to make an association or something like that for webmasters. Then all webmasters can agree to put a simple code to block googlebot on robot.text. In one day google will be out of bussiness and the so called Matt Cutts and other biggies of google will be jobless.

Come on guys-apply some common sense here.

Maheshr has just demonstrated how the SERPS are seriously f*cked up at the moment and his post goes by without any mention.

You're all thinking about this update from a "me, me, me" perspective i.e. someone involved in SEO.

Think of it instead from the perspective of a typical Google user.Someon who has no interest in making money from the internet and just uses Google to find relevant results to their searches.

Since Penguin there are scores of examples of Google bringing totally irrelevant results based on keyword searches. This is BIG ! In living memory this has never happened where you search on Google for, example "buy phentermine" (apparently phentermine is a weight loss drug) and the #2 result on the Google's page is a site about LEADERSHIP COACHING.

Maheshr has given you other examples.

Here's another one:- type "something" into google and click on the first result you get........don't you find that a little interesting ?

Google became market dominant because users found it provided the most relevant results to their queries. If this pengion update is complete and finalised then Google are in trouble as they are no longer giving the user relevant results.

For this reason I do not believe even Google can be that foolish that they will leave it like this.

Expect some serious tweaking with the SERPS over the next few days and weeks and I would urge you to do NOTHING to your sites until this plays out a little bit more.

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syedmuntajib

14 years ago

Even the Authority High PR sites with quality content and diversified links lost the rankings. We cannot predict at this stage What Google wanna do. So lets wait for some time.

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cooler1

14 years ago

There's still time to sell those $7 WSOs.

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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

There's still time to sell those $7 WSOs.

Ha ha, yeah, maybe that's what some of us should start doing!

Originally Posted by RayW

lol I nearly died laughing at the Imran Naseem part.

Pretty frickin' funny, the whole video. I've had to watch it several times, it's kinda growing on me... :rolleyes:
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toby26

14 years ago

my traffic is gone. Not even do any spamming post on that site. it is an online video site.. sad..

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RightGood10

14 years ago

My site was hit hard on midnight of the 24th of April, I was having steady sales prior to that night and now it's pretty much drip dry.

Google use backlinks not for the benefit of the searcher but for the benefit of the Google shareholder, think about it, they analyse all your websites and know exactly what your target keywords are from your back link portfolio and traffic stats, with all that info your a sitting duck, and with the power Google has, they can very easily work out who will sign up to Adwords on a major serps drop. If you don't give them any clues then they don't really know, hence all these dudes saying the best SEO tactic is doing no SEO, they're right!! as then google is unable to decide if you're a good candidate for their Penguin (Adwords Transferral Scheme) penalty they are running.

I blame myself, not for the link building, but for not seeing the obvious dependency I had on Google. On my tax slip I'm classed as a 'sole trader' but in reality I'm an indirect employee of google.

What doesn't entirely kill my business can only make it stronger and if I can survive business wise until I have zero dependancy on google and grow bigger without google then I will look back on this event and be thankful it took place.

Google is a tired search engine these days, it doesn't really know where to turn next, they've even resorted to asking the general public to report their own appalling top of page 1 serps results back to them since this Penguin fiasco! Surely they have the ability to tidy up after themselves by now.

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RayW

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RightGood10

Google use backlinks not for the benefit of the searcher but for the benefit of the Google shareholder, think about it, they analyse all your websites and know exactly what your target keywords are from your back link portfolio and traffic stats, with all that info your a sitting duck, and with the power Google has, they can very easily work out who will sign up to Adwords on a major serps drop. If you don't give them any clues then they don't really know, hence all these dudes saying the best SEO tactic is doing no SEO, they're right!! as then google is unable to decide if you're a good candidate for their Penguin (Adwords Transferral Scheme) penalty they are running.

You do realize that with every algorithm update, there are just as many sites that go UP in rankings as there are that go down? Google isn't "punishing" anybody, they're simply trying to make the SERPs better (whether or not they're doing a good job of it is another question).

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iAmNameLess

14 years ago

Originally Posted by RayW

You do realize that with every algorithm update, there are just as many sites that go UP in rankings as there are that go down? Google isn't "punishing" anybody, they're simply trying to make the SERPs better (whether or not they're doing a good job of it is another question).

Well I'm glad someone in this thread has some sense. My sites, once again, avoided being hit. A few that I use for testing purposes have some problems and it is because of bounce rate I believe.

I think bounce rate is holding a lot more relevance now. User experience, load time, average time on site are going to be bigger factors now. It also appears Google is placing some metrics into meta descriptions now instead of it being basically irrelevant.

Backlinking is going to be changed.. seems they're better at seeing what is a relevant outgoing backlink on sites that are being spammed. Profile links, done with.. mass spam and spun articles are over with.

Google isn't being mysterious. This is nothing new and if you never thought this wasn't coming then you are just blind and don't really know SEO very well at all.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Strangely enough, my traffic appears to be the same.

The big change however is the time onsite. Sites that were 5 mins average, are now less than one minute. Only thing I can put that down to is non relevant search queries.

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14 years ago

DuckDuckGo FTW!!!

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kthor

14 years ago

I have two Real Estate websites ranked page 1, and many KW in #1 position the last 6 years, contents are all 100% original, one of the KW was the most competitive in real estate with first 2 pages mostly affliates, yahoo real estate, zillow except myself (it has brought me millions of dollars in real estate commission! last few years )then few days ago seems like all my page 1 ranking went poof ala david copperfield guy

My leads dried up almost overnight - from Riches to Rags - Welfare office here I come!

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Luffe

14 years ago

ROFL , torrent files ranking higher than exact match keyword domain with quality content. Christ, G fuc*ked up bigtime.

Im also jumping on the Bing wagon, ive had it with G.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Luffe

ROFL , torrent files ranking higher than exact match keyword domain with quality content. Christ, G fuc*ked up bigtime.

Im also jumping on the Bing wagon, ive had it with G.

Check out the duck dude

www.duckduckgo.com

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14 years ago

Updates in google's service sucks ..

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xxxJamesxxx

14 years ago

I had a 700 page site getting 500+ views a day for years and that got wiped out with this update.

Not that bothered though as something like this happened to me before a few years back and I learned my lesson... DIVERSIFY!

I see a lot of you guys getting hit but most of you are thinking how to get your site/s ranked again. Yeah I understand that but this should be a massive sign telling you that you're putting all your eggs in one basket... Any business that does that is doomed for failure.

Just sayin'

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alimulyadi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx

Not that bothered though as something like this happened to me before a few years back and I learned my lesson... DIVERSIFY!

I completely agree with you, James.

Since Google Panda, I have moved away from SEO.

Right now, all of my websites has been wiped out from page one and I don't care any more because I have diversified.

For me, SEO is too risky because it is something I can't control.

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gardenkeeper

14 years ago

Originally Posted by alimulyadi

I completely agree with you, James.

Since Google Panda, I have moved away from SEO.

Right now, all of my websites has been wiped out from page one and I don't care any more because I have diversified.

For me, SEO is too risky because it is something I can't control.

Bro, I am interested in how to get sites diversified? Can you show me more details? Thanks! I just try to know something about it.

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gardenkeeper

14 years ago

Seriouly? it is today?
I don't notice that point, my site just keeps in the same. Nothing happens there!

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Brrainstormerr 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gardenkeeper

Seriouly? it is today?
I don't notice that point, my site just keeps in the same. Nothing happens there!

Lucky for you mate!
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brrainstormerr

Over 3 days and still no change... Traffic's taking a plunge... I had a new site (about 5 months old) that was doing pretty good, increasing in traffic slowly but steadily, and suddenly, things go downhill... All the hardwork for the past few months nurturing the site, writing good high quality content and now this. Check the attached screenshot.

I decided to go for a highly competitive niche. I was writing all my articles by hand keeping them unique, high quality. Yes, since i was competing against some big names, i had to resort to backlinking with automated tools as well. But if good quality content is the primary criteria, it makes no sense why i was penalized.

You can check my site Phone Arena India for yourself and decide if it looks like a spammy site to you..?

Site looks good but the content is indifferent. There are thousands of sites exactly the same. You also have too many ads before I can actually read something.

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icklepickle 14 years ago

Tell you what I've found. The higher PR the site the higher for me it's been pushed during this algo. The PR5 site I have which has an article linking to my main site is ranking #2 now since the update, whereas my main site which is PR2 is lower. Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by iobeek

Site looks good but the content is indifferent. There are thousands of sites exactly the same. You also have too many ads before I can actually read something.

yes, the content could be termed "indifferent", but it's mostly a news site. i cant create content myself. I have to publish what's happening like most other sites. i still took pains to read through as many sources as possible and provide users the most relevant, updated, useful and complete info, personally writing it down.

Before this update, my articles used to get indexed in a matter of 2-3 minutes after publishing them, even before I had time to post it to other social media site or for that matter, promote it anywhere. And with a little promotion (social media, social bookmarking, RSS submissions, etc) i could get it on page one for most of my targeted keywords. So i must be doing something right.

Now my articles are taking hours to get indexed, most of my keywords have gone off the main page (even for articles that have received hundreds of comments from users all over the globe). So suddenly my sight isn't useful anymore? I am competing with big players here, so i HAD to promote my site a lil more aggressively. But just because of that my site isn't any use to people any more? I find no logic behind that. Had i been publishing crap spammy content and spending most of my time creating backlinks, I wouldn't be complaining. But hours of work on researching, calling up these phone manufacturers for more info, spending hours attending to users queries and taking pains to answer them all, gone down the drain just like that?
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brrainstormerr

Over 3 days and still no change... Traffic's taking a plunge... I had a new site (about 5 months old) that was doing pretty good, increasing in traffic slowly but steadily, and suddenly, things go downhill... All the hardwork for the past few months nurturing the site, writing good high quality content and now this. Check the attached screenshot.

I decided to go for a highly competitive niche. I was writing all my articles by hand keeping them unique, high quality. Yes, since i was competing against some big names, i had to resort to backlinking with automated tools as well. But if good quality content is the primary criteria, it makes no sense why i was penalized.

You can check my site Phone Arena India for yourself and decide if it looks like a spammy site to you..?

Why is your content beneath the fold?

So sites that don't have much content "above-the-fold" can be affected by this change. If you click on a website and the part of the website you see first either doesn't have a lot of visible content above-the-fold or dedicates a large fraction of the site's initial screen real estate to ads, that's not a very good user experience. Such sites may not rank as highly going forward.

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Andrew Simond

14 years ago

Google gmail change by this time. they offer free 10 GB by this time.

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MarvyDery

14 years ago

This is bizarre but you can't hate Google if you want to succeed in IM. I think from now, all webmasters should treat their websites as a professional business. focus more on quality content and build genuine backlinks.

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zenmack 14 years ago

I had 3 sites hit. I just took off a page that I believe was way over optimzied over 3.5 % I believe now down to under 2%.

My girlfriends site disappeared and she was not over optimized though. Not sure what happened there. I had not touched it in a long time. I left it alone and watched it climb to number one just on the name and a few articles on the page.

Her's is more of a consulting site for teaching men how to dress and my market comes from my dating site traffic but it was kinda cool to see her site at #1.

My one dating site evaporated. So I guess I will have to de-optimize that site next week. My youtube videos have not been touched and still rank on page one for their key words.

That seems to be the one thing I do well (videos on youtube).

I am going to use videos to market for myself in the near future while my sites fight their way back up.
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dhiggins1979

14 years ago

My site continues to hover in the upper 30's after spending the beginning of the week in the 90's and moving down. Now I am not a IM guru or know all that is going with this update, but a lot of people are up in arms about it. From my perspective it looks like this:

The internet is a pool, Google Panda is the new Algo coming off the diving board. As it hits the water, the sites(pool water) gets all mixed up and lands everywhere. Thus everyone's sites are all over the place. As the water settles, the deep end will fill back to it spot from the water lost in the splash. In other words, the algo will continue to go through all the sites, probably starting at page 1, and start trashing sites that are not relevant, blank, old with no content. Over a period of weeks, the Algo will detect that the "aged" sites that are no longer updated are irrelevant and start moving those.

This was a HUGE Algo change, from my understanding. Everything was jumbled up and IF your page/sites are relevant and have done the White Hat SEO, along with proper back-linking and provide great end user experiences, the Algo will put it in its rightful spot. If not, then the Panda found you out and its time to either revamp the site and start over, or scrap it.

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RightGood10 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dhiggins1979

The internet is a pool, Google Panda is the new Algo coming off the diving board

Correction: Penguin is the new Google algo thats coming off the diving board.
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Suzanne Morrison

14 years ago

Anyone who has a site that was affected, can you try this?

Take a sentence from the index page of your site, put it in quotes and then search in Google for it.

I did this for one site of mine that lost nearly all its Google traffic and the results show pages and pages of other sites, particularly blogspots and wordpress.com sites that have plagiarized my content. A couple of them even had a trojan on them, which was blocked by my anti virus software.

I'm finding it really frustrating that a bunch of crappy thin sites with plagiarized content and viruses are ranking higher than my site with hundreds of pages of original content (or at least it was original before all these people copied it!).

I've just gone and filed around 20 DMCA requests as a result to take down these evil plagiarizing sites. Grrrr

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14 years ago

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Stallion

14 years ago

Well, I think I'm going to bow out. I've been doing this for many years now. And I simply can't deal with the changes. There's no way to make a business designed to work for long run. And I'm not taking decades I'm talking a matter of 12-18 months.

I'm bowing out. Best of luck to all of you.

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TheInternet

14 years ago

To my human eyes I see a typical magazine layout. I don't like magazine layouts like this, so I would rank the site poorly if I were one of Google's human raters. To Google's uncaring robot eyes the above-the-fold area is either:

A large, empty space if Google doesn't process the CSS
A large image with no alt text or caption if Google processes the CSS

Posts aren't much of an improvement. There's an ad, a line of text, and a large image just below the fold. The UX is very poor.

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

I have a site with all original content, and proper structure, etc. etc. that Google always asks for. Was ranked high for many great keywords. Now the site is gone for the most part and replaces by crap sites for higher rankings.

My non-love for Google just got a little deeper to say the least

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arv

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

I have a site with all original content, and proper structure, etc. etc. that Google always asks for. Was ranked high for many great keywords. Now the site is gone for the most part and replaces by crap sites for higher rankings.

My non-love for Google just got a little deeper to say the least

I guess google will roll back.

Do a google search for "quick loans" and check the bottom two results on page 1. They don't make any sense.

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Brrainstormerr 14 years ago

Originally Posted by arv

I guess google will roll back.

Do a google search for "quick loans" and check the bottom two results on page 1. They don't make any sense.

If roll back was a possibility, it would have been done by now. Nope... I guess Google has moved on...
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ketset

14 years ago

Yeh,i agree I had three sites that have completed vanished from the rankings, this is shocking and really terrible. But on the other hand I have many more sites that have been moved up in the rankings so I'm pretty happy about that. 50/50 really but I 'd like to know exactly what the other sites had done wrong!

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realworld 14 years ago

Since I have nothing to loose with my previous sites, I'm thinking to use every possible black hat technique. If that does not work, I will black hat the crappy sites on the main page to bump them down. This has become an interesting game.

In all seriousness, I agree with a previous poster. It is tough to setup any long term business model based on google. This might be a good time to bow out from google and move forward.

BTW - whoever posted duckduckgo.com ... NICE! This is a great opportunity for another engine. I thought to create something similar. A search engine based on an open algorithm. I am certain it would have the backing from every major and not so major SEO company. What will it take to make this work? Traditional marketing - radio, TV, print, etc. I suspect most on this thread know the cost of traditional advertising, so the next logical question is - how do we fund the project? Traditional investors who see the potential of a new engine!
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- ttomp13 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by realworld
  
  Since I have nothing to loose with my previous sites, I'm thinking to use every possible black hat technique.
  
  That's actually not a bad idea lol But I'm going to give it a little bit to see if
  anything bounces back before I go crazy with links lol
  
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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

I think it's time for me to create sites/products that are completely non-reliant on Google. First Adwords, now this. It's like building a business on top of a foundation of jello.

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

Wouldn't the sites have bounced back by now, if they were going to? Or is it too soon?

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rinor81 14 years ago

I guess it's time to build new sites....I don't see my sites returning any time soon...
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ian a birch

14 years ago

Im not sure what to do.do i build a new site with domain etc or stick with the old one.The old one has lost the front page but the subdomains are still ranking on page 2 and 3 .do i just change the front page or wait a while longer?

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

I would move on from Google. You could rebuild and in 6 months the same thing might happen. Find other traffic sources.

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realworld 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

I would move on from Google. You could rebuild and in 6 months the same thing might happen. Find other traffic sources.

Agreed. Google will change again and again and again. Unfortunately, they are changing for all the wrong reasons IMO. I also think about all the SEO companies that will loose their shirts. I have been approached by a handful for various reasons. Unfortunately, they offer little to no value at this point.

There are no such things as white hat techniques anymore. It is worthless to SEO a site and have it wiped off the map during the next update. Site owners are far better off to do nothing.
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ian a birch 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan

I would move on from Google. You could rebuild and in 6 months the same thing might happen. Find other traffic sources.

I dont rely completly on google ,i still have the number 1 spot on page 1 of yahoo,bing etc but google did bring in traffic and work
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aaallday2010

14 years ago

My site took a major hit as well. Wasnt "over-optimized". But what's weird is many of the smaller web 2.0 sites I created for back links (squidoo, zimbio, etc.) now outrank my main site!

What has google done?

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honestbiz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aaallday2010

My site took a major hit as well. Wasnt "over-optimized". But what's weird is many of the smaller web 2.0 sites I created for back links (squidoo, zimbio, etc.) now outrank my main site!

What has google done?

Seeing the same thing. My main site is wiped out almost completely, but the Hubpages I built for it (for backlinks) are still there and ranking well.

Ridiculous.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by aaallday2010

My site took a major hit as well. Wasnt "over-optimized". But what's weird is many of the smaller web 2.0 sites I created for back links (squidoo, zimbio, etc.) now outrank my main site!

What has google done?

I've found this evening that this has happened to me too - got 2 squidoo lenses that are now #1 and #4 for 2 keywords that are #68 for the main site. But I'm still dancing about. Yesterday I was near enough nowhere in Google Blog search, now I'm #1 for 6 keywords, so it's still bouncing around so don't give up hope yet.

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UW

14 years ago

my sites just bounced back up to where it was before the update. so that means they are still updating things. for the people that are thinking about ruining your sites with black hat seo just wait it out because google is still updating and you never know what could happen.

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mrtrance

14 years ago

Originally Posted by UW

my sites just bounced back up to where it was before the update. so that means they are still updating things. for the people that are thinking about ruining your sites with black hat seo just wait it out because google is still updating and you never know what could happen.

How far did you drop after the update and where are you ranking now? Is it your homepage for main keyword? Is it a EMD?. So you did nothing at all and your sites came back?

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rambo9600

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1

Complaining does not helps. You need to focus on 2 things primarily

1. Building sources of traffic other than Google.
2. Stop using Google Analytics

Lot can be said about building diversified traffic sources but I can only elaborate on the point 2 here.

The biggest reason your site get hits because you use Google Analytic s like an addict. That is a Trojan Horse that you got used to and feed everyday. All your data including your link building activity is the domain of Google. You have no idea how Google uses that data apart from what they show you and give you a small preview in your dashboard. But one thing is certain all your SERPS, search terms, bounce rates, social media traffic and above all you new links you built on forums, senuke, sick submitter are all available to the data crunching computers at Google central.

So what can you do here? You can install open sourced PIWIK available at piwik.com. This is a system that resides on your server on your hosting service and all you data is for your eyes only. Major corporations and Major sites ( as they are more sophisticated than average small site owner utilized piwik with customized installations.

If you can't install piwik on your server hire a freelancer on fivver.com for $5 and get it done. Otherwise you can install Free version of Statcounter from the statcounter.com and get those results.

Complete Dependence on Google Analytic is a site killer. If you are stupid enough to take candy from strangers you deserve to be penalized today and in the future.

I have never used Google analytics, ONLY used PIWIK and my sites got killed.

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BillWynne 14 years ago

Originally Posted by rambo9600

I have never used Google analytics, ONLY used PIWIK and my sites got killed.

I agree, it is not because someone has their sites in analytics.
Seems like playing their game and being transparent would be the way to be.
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realworld

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1

The biggest reason your site got hit because you are using Google Analytic s like a chronic drug addict. That is a Trojan Horse that you got used to and feed everyday with fresh data. All your data including your " new link building activity " is the domain of Google ! You have no idea how Google uses that data apart from what they show you and give you a small preview in your dashboard. That is for kiddies to look at..

This is an interesting thought. I have heard using analytics may cause problems but I quickly dismissed the concept. I have analytics on every site which lets G know all sorts of information

. I thought by letting G know my extremely low bounce rates and lengthy time on sites would be a good thing. After giving this more thought, I am thinking to remove analytics from all sites and switching to another service. Now I think about it, what is G doing with all the information

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david4weaver

14 years ago

Google is update panda every days, they are just doing better and better search results

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aaallday2010

14 years ago

Not sure if this was already posted. (Sorry if it was already) but this is pretty good:

Possible reasons for Google naming this update Penguin:

1. Penguins are highly adapted for water life. Google has now sunk good content and let garbage float to the top.

2. Penguins live almost exclusively in Antarctica, a frozen wasteland. Google's search results will soon become a frozen wasteland.

3. Penguins are both black and white. Google wanted to nuke people doing SEO, whether black hat or white hat, at random.

4. Penguins are a flightless bird. Not a reason, just a fact.

5. There is a huge debate about the origin of the word penguin. Huge debate about how this update works.

6. Penguins are known for being great divers. Google's results just took a plunge.

Any others I might be missing?

NOTE: Taken from here.

BTW, March of the Penguins was playing on TV today, but I just couldn't bear to watch it.

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Steadyon

14 years ago

Instead of Penguin they should have called it Hyena.

Google are certainly laughing at us lot...

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badnews_3 14 years ago

For those of us in the US that are tired of whining.

If you would like to hit the big G where it hurts. Take action!

Fairsearch.org has a "take action" section that you can use to send a formal letter of concern to your senator.

It is the most organized effort I've seen to date that is fighting google's monopoly on search.

They have a very informative "what Google doesn't want you to know" section that you may want to checkout.
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bestcreativeseo

14 years ago

Didn't heard any drop from any of my client. Guys, create backlinks regularly and make it look natural. Always hire an expert. Best of luck.

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Bizmarkie

14 years ago

Guys,
I've been on a black hat forum and there is some but very little consensus. One thing for sure, whether you only do white hat, black hat or some combo most people have taken a hit of some kind. Waiting to hear from some people who are trying specific things and will update in a week or so with the results. One thing for sure is that if you're completely relying on google for your main income, it would be like taking your entire 401k / IRA and putting it into only one kind of mutual fund or worse, all into one stock. you would not ever find a financial advisor who does not recommend diversification so why would it be any different here. Time to start thinking about other sources of traffic. As crazy as it sounds, I just signed up for some networking local events, putting up some ads in Craig's list for people who can locally promote my site at different events etc... it will be long, painful and may or may not pay off but think about it this way. Some of the best enterprises on the web were started, promoted and became househould names generating billions without ever using google as a main source of traffic.

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manifestseo 14 years ago

I am all about a new NOT-for-profit search consortium with the sole focus of competing with Google and offering an alternative to Search, that will ultimately lead to a black Monday "noindex meta tag" for Google. The key is we need 1 billion websites on board. So we need to provide value first to them with a new unbiased search engine solution that searchers have already endorsed, show them metrics, and a value platform that proves we will provide more conversion/sales then google. At this moment, with 1 million legitimate small business webmasters going completely out of business because of this revenge-reactionary based algo update by Google on the very people that helped them get their start, we have some sway to convince. Bing sucks and they are Microsoft which are more power-hungry and greedy then Google, and Yahoo, well we all know they blow. We need SniperSearch for small business. This engine will not index any websites to the likes of Amazon or Ebay, or any brick and mortar business such as target, walmart etc... strictly small businesses (brick and mortar and online)

This will take 5 years, and this is how it will work (open to suggestion, the Warrior Forum is a good place to do some firestarting):

What we need to accomplish in phase 1:

- a consortium of webmasters who can Truly prove they are working hard on their small business transparently for membership. This needs to be 10 million strong before rollout, eventually growing to 1+ billion legitimate website business owners and bloggers. A free membership, where we share ideas on what matters the most when ranking a website/small business for indexing and top ranking. Granted, this list of parameters will be totally subject to change and improvement that is solely based on our searcher/webmaster feedback on an on-going basis

- we need to privately raise funds for a new search engine development, based on simple human moderated algorithms and the initial list we build from above.

- a development team to build the engine's algorithm and a list of the multi-millions of sites that are requesting inclusion from our consortium. Build the crawler and also provide open metrics

- mass social viral promotion through social network channels and diggs, reddits, etc... to promote it to searchers

- a quality assurance team and customer support that we use as an avenue for feedback for both webmasters and searchers (absurd that Google doesn't have support), and act on their feedback to make sure all search results are optimized and empower our community with the knowledge that they can control their destiny in search by providing value and playing by the rules, which will NOT change in an instant, so they wake up in the morning, get their coffee, and say oh sh*t, i'm out of business.

- Crawl Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter, etc for a list of sites to index, validate them through social actions and real communications with their social-base

- Prepare a massive PR distribution to drop to raise hype and user interaction with our search

- Really base SEO strategy for the engine on user experience, collect reviews from searchers, feedback at every corner and deliver a clean search result interface with more filter options and NO ADS anywhere distracting them from the best businesses under the search they have done. Maybe, we categorize the search results something like, Good, Better, Best or something... Let the searcher decide, by providing up to 30 results on the 1st page that they can filter

- Mass email campaign to all participating webmasters about a black Monday "NoIndex meta tag drop" (our engine will not rely on this blockage, since it's the tool of a consortium with webmasters that approve of crawler access)

- Create an openly competitive environment, but also one that endorses collaboration of mutually beneficial products/services (you sell shoes and socks, i sell shoes and socks, im way better at shoes, your way better at socks, lets do a JV, link to each other, announce that to search consortium and mutually help eachother in search, so i show up top for shoes, and you show up top for socks, and lets do business together, remove competition, replace with collaboration.

That's what i got to start, i know this is quirky and outlandish, but it is time for an entity to rise up and challenge Google, as they continue to financially leverage their search for self-serving purposes, while destroying small businesses that are simply using a strategy that google originally used to start itself, dispersing and indexing unique content. Without Us, Google is nothing, who gave them the right originally to crawl all of our content, than subjectively choose what's worthy and what's not. Also, what remains now? Awful results, outdated blog posts, amazon (with awful panda-UNfriendly landing pages that do NOT provide a quality shopping experience) and ebay etc...

This is not an impulsive reaction to the recent panda-penguin-polarbear-pterodactyl-deepthroat update which has destroyed search results for the searcher (which as we all know is Google's creed: to provide the best possible result for the searcher, complete FAIL), this is a proactive vision, which I will support and i have one question:

WHO'S WITH ME?
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  Originally Posted by manifestseo
  
  WHO'S WITH ME?
  
  We share many similar thoughts, and I believe the time is right. In 1997 I create a spider to gather information from the net and index accordingly. After letting it run for a week or two, I quickly realized my spider was working but I did not have the infrastructure to support the load. In addition, I thought Yahoo was the bomb and competing against them was futile. In 2001, G launched and I thought good luck. Let's not hijack this thread. I will contact you via PM and we can take this initiative offline.
  
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Nathi Fakudze

14 years ago

Only the 'bad guys' have been affected lol, it's a shame for those who have unique content on their sites but still got hit because of poor link building ie. badly spun content...

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jpete

14 years ago

Yes, Google did it again... Google made changes on 04/24 to its algorithms called Penguin.. .

Copy of email below from Daniel Tan on changes:

The new Google Penguin update went live on 24th April. This change was designed to
punish pages that are "spamming Google". This includes pages that has little content,
built in quantity merely to pass an anchor link, pages with keyword stuffing and
cloaking that have always been bad and of course, hidden text, thin sites...the list goes on.

Following this change, we see a sudden surge in "Negative SEO". Google is trying to
punish sites from off-page side of the equation. That means, if someone were to build
thousands of spam links to your site, you stand a chance to be punished.

The demand of Negative SEO shot up right after Penguin's roll out. People started
buying bad links to their competitors sites in an attempt to make Google punish them,
and some did it successfully (scary eh!). My advice: Don't even try. What goes around
comes around. You will never know how things will change in future!

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14 years ago

I haven't seen any recent changes,
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John Romaine

14 years ago

**** the penguin.

Check out the duck

DuckDuckGo

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aaallday2010 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

**** the penguin.

Check out the duck

DuckDuckGo

Great search engine. My sites rank extremely well in DuckDuckGo.com

If more people start using this search engine I'll be rich in no time.
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sailor4528

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

**** the penguin.

Check out the duck

DuckDuckGo

Fun! No ads, and useful as a basis for assessing how a site stands against its competition without (one assumes) any 'interpretation' - or is there? Surely Duck has to evaluate sites to compile a listing order. And so the dance starts again...

It was interesting to compare G and Duck results for 'internet marketing'.

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John Romaine 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sailor4528

Fun! No ads

Yeah its nice isnt it?

Nice clean simple design - and it works!

I guess its what Google "used to be like" :rolleyes:
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TheInternet

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sailor4528

Fun! No ads, and useful as a basis for assessing how a site stands against its competition without (one assumes) any 'interpretation' - or is there? Surely Duck has to evaluate sites to compile a listing order. And so the dance starts again...

It was interesting to compare G and Duck results for 'internet marketing'.

It has ads.

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rickmancbr 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

**** the penguin.

Check out the duck

DuckDuckGo

I tried out 'duckduckgo' for the key words 'TV repair Chicago' and the number one site was 'midway tv repair dot com'. Same as the Google result.

The midway tv repair site has to total of 34 words on the whole site.

So much for better content.

Midway tv repair dot com does have a paid link coming from dexknows.

So much for no paid links.
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John Romaine

14 years ago

Duckduckgo actually yields great results.

Oh, and there is no "page 1" results.

The results just keep coming as you scroll.

Much better, and more fairer for everyone.

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JeanneLynn

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Duckduckgo actually yields great results.

Oh, and there is no "page 1" results.

The results just keep coming as you scroll.

Much better, and more fairer for everyone.

I like DuckDuckGo. I love that there is no page one. I also love that I'm in position #3 for my keyword.

I did a bunches of searches today and I found the results to be much more relevant. I've been getting some crazy and useless results on Google lately.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JeanneLynn

I like DuckDuckGo. I love that there is no page one. I also love that I'm in position #3 for my keyword.

I did a bunches of searches today and I found the results to be much more relevant. I've been getting some crazy and useless results on Google lately.

Sorry, the keywords I searched get way off track after the 3rd or 4th position. They aren't even about the keywords or have them in the description.

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14 years ago

I've a dutch tourism website about Spain for 3 years now with high quality content with really high rankings for years till...
wednesday 25 april 2012. The Google Panda update hit me hard, drops of 1 position to 50. Drops in earnings to 60%.

Really crappy websites are ranking higher then my own subpages (only because there content is newer instead of better?).

I really wonder how this is possible. What Google is saying there old algoritm was crap otherwise it wouldn't changed it so tremendous. Also very weird a change in algoritm has such a effect, I mean a change of a copple of positions OK but a drop in 50! What Google is saying you website is suddenly crap after years of saying it's had high quality.

And then there are much blogs which suggests you have to have dynamic current high quality content. But what if your website is in itself quite
static in nature. Just change the content because of the change and hoping this change will affect the rankings positive.
Take for example wikipedia with a article about a small municipality
in the USA. This could be quite static information. Are these kind of sites also affected because the content isn't change very much the last year, but the page has just high quality content!

But it becomes time Google get more transparant about the effects of changes in their algoritm. It's now guesssing what is the cause:
- too old posts, pages
- too many bad links
- poor content
- too much subpages looks like another.
- blah blah

But how to know what to change to your site if you don't know the exact cause. You are just running along behind the facts. You can't run a bussiness with this kind of stochatic behaviour of Google.

My love for Google is really over now!

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aaallday2010

14 years ago

Originally Posted by whathappened

I've a dutch tourism website about Spain for 3 years now with high quality content with really high rankings for years till...
wednesday 25 april 2012. The Google Panda update hit me hard, drops of 1 position to 50. Drops in earnings to 60%.

Really crappy websites are ranking higher then my own subpages (only because there content is newer instead of better?).

I really wonder how this is possible. What Google is saying there old algoritm was crap otherwise it wouldn't changed it so tremendous. Also very weird a change in algoritm has such a effect, I mean a change of a copple of positions OK but a drop in 50! What Google is saying you website is suddenly crap after years of saying it's had high quality.

And then there are much blogs which suggests you have to have dynamic current high quality content. But what if your website is in itself quite
static in nature. Just change the content because of the change and hoping this change will affect the rankings positive.
Take for example wikipedia with a article about a small municipality
in the USA. This could be quite static information. Are these kind of sites also affected because the content isn't change very much the last year, but the page has just high quality content!

But it becomes time Google get more transparant about the effects of changes in their algoritm. It's now guesssing what is the cause:
- too old posts, pages
- too many bad links
- poor content
- too much subpages looks like another.
- blah blah

But how to know what to change to your site if you don't know the exact cause. You are just running along behind the facts. You can't run a bussiness with this kind of stochatic behaviour of Google.

My love for Google is really over now!

I totally agree.

For years they've been telling me my site is of high quality. I prove it to them with analytics and they've rewarded me hugely in the rankings as a result.

So, how in the world does all that change over night and on such a grand scale?

I mean, if Google is targeting unnatural linking schemes and the such to punish websites, I guess all I have to do is blast the top results with unnatural links and wait for them to drop too?

This just doesn't make any sense.

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sanh

14 years ago

What can be done to come out of the sufferings ?

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josephseeley 14 years ago

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Stekys Media Help Calm Client Fears Amidst Google Penguin Update - Yahoo! News

Paid link on Yahoo via PRWeb. Google needs to take down that backlinking network :rolleyes:
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sackboy127

14 years ago

At the moment DuckDuckGo really provides much more relevant results than Google, does anyone know what kind of market share it has?

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cooler1

14 years ago

I guess it must be a coincidence, but the only 3 of my sites which weren't negatively effected by this update are not in Google Analytics, all my other sites are in Analytics. Two of these three sites actually improved in ranking.

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NetWorth

14 years ago

I'm slowly beginning to see my rankings come back up I have moved from the 3rd and 4th page back to the 2nd and 3rd. Is anyone else seeing this with their authority sites?

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BigG95

14 years ago

Originally Posted by NetWorth

I'm slowly beginning to see my rankings come back up I have moved from the 3rd and 4th page back to the 2nd and 3rd. Is anyone else seeing this with their authority sites?

Some of my sites are coming back up slooowly, others are still dancing.

I have a mix of older sites and newer ones. Some with and some without Analytics on them.

One I just started to build with only 1 article on it, no backlinks build yet, did not get hit at all. Was and is still on page 2.

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14 years ago

my site have also been affected by the change

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14 years ago

Italian funeral

An Italian man was leaving a convenience store with his espresso when he noticed a most unusual Italian funeral procession approaching the nearby cemetery. A black hearse was followed by a second black hearse about 50 Feet behind the first one. Behind the second hearse was a solitary Italian man walking a dog on a leash. Behind him, a short distance back, were about 200 men walking single file.

The man couldn’t stand the curiosity. He respectfully approached the Italian man walking the dog and said: “I am so sorry for your loss, and this may be a bad time to disturb you, but I’ve never seen a Italian funeral like this. Whose funeral is it?”

“My wife’s.”

”What happened to her?”

“She yelled at me and my dog attacked and killed her.”

He inquired further, “But who is in the second hearse?”
The Italian man answered, “My mother-in-law. She was trying to help my wife when the dog turned on her.”
A very poignant and touching moment of Italian brotherhood and silence passed between the two men..

“Can I borrow the dog?" the man asked

The man replied, “Get in line..."

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Startraffic

14 years ago

"My dream"

Last night I had a dream

In my dream a message was posted in a forum.

The message said that 7 days from now on Sunday 6th of May 2012 hundreds of thousands of webmasters, their friends and their families would start to click on the advertising boxes in a Titan search engine.

I dreamt that during the 7 days leading up to this the message was "copied and spread"

"On that Sunday" millions of advertisers then "paused" their accounts through fear of these clicks.

This action would cost the Titan search engine to lose millions in lost revenue.

The advertisers would "not" though lose their money due to receiving the message...

Although the Titan search engine was badly hurt it was "not" destroyed.

Word then reached the real boss and "not" his minion who thought he was a "Cutt" above the rest.

The "real" boss then acknowledged there was a problem and made a "statement".

In my dream the Titan search engine was made aware of the seriousness of the situation and the webmasters were informed of "exactly" what was going on.

They would no longer be ignored and their concerns would be addressed.

The most important outcome of the message would be that the Titan search engine would more careful with its "future" implementations.

It would promise to keep the webmasters informed and weigh up the consequences of its actions.

So went my dream.

.................................................. .

This morning as I lay there I thought to myself....
If the "right people" decided to send such a message i think it could actually reach a considerable number of people.

After all some dreams do come true don't they.

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Brrainstormerr

14 years ago

WOW man... let's do it... lets fix a date and make this thing viral... every forum where people have been lamenting the Penguin update, let's spread the world... It's time we knocked some senses in this Titan's head...

Originally Posted by Startraffic

"My dream"

Last night I had a dream

In my dream a message was posted in a forum.

The message said that 7 days from now on Sunday 6th of May 2012 hundreds of thousands of webmasters, their friends and their families would start to click on the advertising boxes in a Titan search engine.

I dreamt that during the 7 days leading up to this the message was "copied and spread"

"On that Sunday" millions of advertisers then "paused" their accounts through fear of these clicks.

This action would cost the Titan search engine to lose millions in lost revenue.

The advertisers would "not" though lose their money due to receiving the message...

Although the Titan search engine was badly hurt it was "not" destroyed.

Word then reached the real boss and "not" his minion who thought he was a "Cutt" above the rest.

The "real" boss then acknowledged there was a problem and made a "statement".

In my dream the Titan search engine was made aware of the seriousness of the situation and the webmasters were informed of "exactly" what was going on.

They would no longer be ignored and their concerns would be addressed.

The most important outcome of the message would be that the Titan search engine would more careful with its "future" implementations.

It would promise to keep the webmasters informed and weigh up the consequences of its actions.

So went my dream.

.................................................. .

This morning as I lay there I thought to myself....
If the "right people" decided to send such a message i think it could actually reach a considerable number of people.

After all some dreams do come true don't they.

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Startraffic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Brrainstormerr

WOW man... let's do it... lets fix a date and make this thing viral... every forum where people have been lamenting the Penguin update, let's spread the world... It's time we knocked some senses in this Titan's head...

"Exact" Message is already appearing in the major forums....

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honestbiz

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Startraffic

"Exact" Message is already appearing in the major forums....

Google better pray Anonymous doesn't get wind of what they did.

So far they have been spared while other big corps have got hit. But their carefully cultivated image has taken a huge beating with their Penguin Mega Blunder.

I feel sorry for all those honest and hardworking webmasters and SEO companies that are now out of work or find their incomes severely compromised during such difficult times.

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by honestbiz

I feel sorry for all those honest and hardworking webmasters and SEO companies that are now out of work or find their incomes severely compromised during such difficult times.

There aren't any, so don't feel too bad

LOL J/K.

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majestic12

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Startraffic

"My dream"

Last night I had a dream

In my dream a message was posted in a forum.

The message said that 7 days from now on Sunday 6th of May 2012 hundreds of thousands of webmasters, their friends and their families would start to click on the advertising boxes in a Titan search engine.

I dreamt that during the 7 days leading up to this the message was "copied and spread"

"On that Sunday" millions of advertisers then "paused" their accounts through fear of these clicks.

This action would cost the Titan search engine to lose millions in lost revenue.

The advertisers would "not" though lose their money due to receiving the message...

Although the Titan search engine was badly hurt it was "not" destroyed.

Word then reached the real boss and "not" his minion who thought he was a "Cutt" above the rest.

The "real" boss then acknowledged there was a problem and made a "statement".

In my dream the Titan search engine was made aware of the seriousness of the situation and the webmasters were informed of "exactly" what was going on.

They would no longer be ignored and their concerns would be addressed.

The most important outcome of the message would be that the Titan search engine would more careful with its "future" implementations.

It would promise to keep the webmasters informed and weigh up the consequences of its actions.

So went my dream.

.................................................. .

This morning as I lay there I thought to myself....
If the "right people" decided to send such a message i think it could actually reach a considerable number of people.

After all some dreams do come true don't they.

Startraffic

Just seen this on another forum, "very" interesting

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HigherPrThanGod

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

I am seeing massive drops on one of my sites across most terms. Is anyone else seeing big changes today?

Yeah, this was the day that all hell broke loose for me.

I deleted my Google Analytics account first of all.

It seemed odd to me that it was all my sites that dropped.

all my sites in MY GOOGLE ANALYTIC's ACCOUNT.

What I seem to be finding is that EXACT MATCH DOMAINS might be taking an hit for some reason.

I'm seeing a lot more sub-page competition but that's just within my particular niche.

All my sites are hosted on the same I.P.

In order for me to manage them via Wordpress Multisite I have to do that.

Has anyone seen their traffic plummet across 10+ sites all on different I.P's?

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ShivaLingam

14 years ago

I searched for "make money online" on Google.co.uk after reading a comment on the google blog and at the 6th position i found this website makemoneyonline.co.uk which is actually a wordpress blog with just the hello world post modified just to say that the domain is not for sale, that's it!
But the odd thing is that people commenting immediately after the penguin, were saying it was number #2 and on the google blog the guy who posted about it said it was number #4...
So it appears that as more people keep commenting on that blog and adding content, the more it's pushed down in the rankings!

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rinor81

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ShivaLingam

I searched for "make money online" on Google.co.uk after reading a comment on the google blog and at the 6th position i found this website makemoneyonline.co.uk which is actually a wordpress blog with just the hello world post modified just to say that the domain is not for sale, that's it!
But the odd thing is that people commenting immediately after the penguin, were saying it was number #2 and on the google blog the guy who posted about it said it was number #4...
So it appears that as more people keep commenting on that blog and adding content, the more it's pushed down in the rankings!

I see what you mean....I found it just now on #4 on Google.co.uk

That's not all, check out who is #2

Online Money Making | Make Money Online

Tell me Google didn't lost it....I think this will not stay, let's wait and see when and how it will calm down....because if it stays this way, what are our options?

I'll tell you - Find other traffic sources than Google and don't rely on it for your business. That's the next step of internet marketing if you ask me and smart people already saw that ages ago...

Good Luck to us all, Altavista bless us!

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Trent Rez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rinor81

I see what you mean....I found it just now on #4 on Google.co.uk

That's not all, check out who is #2

Online Money Making | Make Money Online

Tell me Google didn't lost it....I think this will not stay, let's wait and see when and how it will calm down....because if it stays this way, what are our options?

I'll tell you - Find other traffic sources than Google and don't rely on it for your business. That's the next step of internet marketing if you ask me and smart people already saw that ages ago...

Good Luck to us all, Altavista bless us!

Some reason you think it is nice to link to ones website and talk dirt about it? How about I link to your websites and talk smack about them? *which would not be fair as you are not even anywhere near my level* Would you like that for people to link to your site and call it garbage and not worthy to be in google? *which is true* Food for thought before you even begin to criticize someone else make sure you have and can do it better.

The articles are high quality. Better then anything you can do. I mean I get you are jealous and all but give it a rest. Don't hate because you are not on my level. Besides do you see any abnormal linking patterns? No. Everyone who links to my site links because they want to *that site anyway* I do admit I do use services on the warrior forum but that site I have done nothing really too much with linking wise because it is not ready yet. That site is nothing but an infant.

The content is upgraded frequently which google loves and well over 200k words. It is not spun content or dupe content it was all written in house by our writers. I try to add 5 post a month. For linking I do a lot of social bookmarking in which I have built up over the years. I have about a hundred accounts on a hundred different services which are between 1-7 years old. Never been banned as I do nothing funny with them. I bookmark them by hand and I have a lot of friends on these networks who enjoy reading my stuff.

So if you can do better then do it or shut up talking smack about my website. Seriously doesn't it get old just sitting around talking smack about everyone else. Don't you have anything better to do? Like perhaps I do not know making money? Sounds like it would be a lot more productive then going into a jealous rage because you can not do something BH that I accomplished without even trying.

BTW google on that site only accounts for about maybe 3/5 of my traffic. 2/5's come from social networks and people who are my friends in those networks linking back about my post on there blogs. Completely and 100 percent whitehat. I never asked them to do it. If I actually tried I can even up that to 4/5 of my traffic being referral traffic. Essentially I do not need google. Google wanted me. So learn what you speak and don't be so quick to trash talk someone else site.

Also the "google ads" on the site that you see. They are only temporary. I just wanted to get a good feel of CTR and other such logistics fairly easy. Adsense is a great way to test the waters while building up a site.

Besides I will most likely not be there for long anyway. Not because of anything google did but something I did. Before I go live with the site I am gonna replace some articles and add to and rewrite some take some out and do a lot of reorganizing and get a completely custom theme. Like I said the site is nothing but an infant. So the small shortcomings you may see are just some growing pains. Which even at that it is about 5000 times better then your sites.

Hey to anyone reading this sorry if it sounds a little harsh. My websites are my babies and this guy insulted him without just cause. I take that as a personal attack. You don't mess with my babies.

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1byte

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trent Rez

Besides I will most likely not be there for long anyway. Not because of anything google did but something I did.

Hey Trent, congrats for the #2 ranking for "make money online," that's really awesome!

Don't let the killjoys get you down, they're just jealous of your success, and good fortune. I hope you make a LOT of money as long as that site is in that great position. Great going, and keep it up!

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realworld

14 years ago

Originally Posted by 1byte

Hey Trent, congrats for the #2 ranking for "make money online," that's really awesome!

Don't let the killjoys get you down, they're just jealous of your success, and good fortune. I hope you make a LOT of money as long as that site is in that great position. Great going, and keep it up!

Yes, congrats! We all had our time in the sun at some point

. When one site slips, another rises. Enjoy the rise and keep up the good work.

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rinor81

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Trent Rez

Some reason you think it is nice to link to ones website and talk dirt about it? How about I link to your websites and talk smack about them? *which would not be fair as you are not even anywhere near my level* Would you like that for people to link to your site and call it garbage and not worthy to be in google? *which is true* Food for thought before you even begin to criticize someone else make sure you have and can do it better.

The articles are high quality. Better then anything you can do. I mean I get you are jealous and all but give it a rest. Don't hate because you are not on my level. Besides do you see any abnormal linking patterns? No. Everyone who links to my site links because they want to *that site anyway* I do admit I do use services on the warrior forum but that site I have done nothing really too much with linking wise because it is not ready yet. That site is nothing but an infant.

The content is upgraded frequently which google loves and well over 200k words. It is not spun content or dupe content it was all written in house by our writers. I try to add 5 post a month. For linking I do a lot of social bookmarking in which I have built up over the years. I have about a hundred accounts on a hundred different services which are between 1-7 years old. Never been banned as I do nothing funny with them. I bookmark them by hand and I have a lot of friends on these networks who enjoy reading my stuff.

So if you can do better then do it or shut up talking smack about my website. Seriously doesn't it get old just sitting around talking smack about everyone else. Don't you have anything better to do? Like perhaps I do not know making money? Sounds like it would be a lot more productive then going into a jealous rage because you can not do something BH that I accomplished without even trying.

BTW google on that site only accounts for about maybe 3/5 of my traffic. 2/5's come from social networks and people who are my friends in those networks linking back about my post on there blogs. Completely and 100 percent whitehat. I never asked them to do it. If I actually tried I can even up that to 4/5 of my traffic being referral traffic. Essentially I do not need google. Google wanted me. So learn what you speak and don't be so quick to trash talk someone else site.

Also the "google ads" on the site that you see. They are only temporary. I just wanted to get a good feel of CTR and other such logistics fairly easy. Adsense is a great way to test the waters while building up a site.

Besides I will most likely not be there for long anyway. Not because of anything google did but something I did. Before I go live with the site I am gonna replace some articles and add to and rewrite some take some out and do a lot of reorganizing and get a completely custom theme. Like I said the site is nothing but an infant. So the small shortcomings you may see are just some growing pains. Which even at that it is about 5000 times better then your sites.

Hey to anyone reading this sorry if it sounds a little harsh. My websites are my babies and this guy insulted him without just cause. I take that as a personal attack. You don't mess with my babies.

Sorry if you got insulted and feel free to say anything you want about my sites. I didn't say anything about your sites other that I found it weird that your site was #2 after this harsh update...after all, you have a lot of content on your site and that's it but again, congrats.

I'm not jealous, have a great business and luck, my point was not saying wrong about your site but trying to understand what this update meant after seeing your site ranked #2.

Anyhow, congrats and good luck, no pun intended just was wondering what got Google to place you #2 other than content...you say you frequently update your site, link from social bookmarks and people link to you....cool....maybe that's the case...

Take care...

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guitarjosh

14 years ago

Originally Posted by HigherPrThanGod

Yeah, this was the day that all hell broke loose for me.

I deleted my Google Analytics account first of all.

It seemed odd to me that it was all my sites that dropped.

all my sites in MY GOOGLE ANALYTIC's ACCOUNT.

Good on you. I've told people to do this for the last 2 years. I witnessed it happening back then to my neighbor.. every site he had in Analytics was hit and the exact same format sites, even on the same server, were not touched. Crappy deal that they use the service against the very people gathering the data for them. I'll never use Google Analytics again.

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aaallday2010

14 years ago

Originally Posted by guitarjosh

Good on you. I've told people to do this for the last 2 years. I witnessed it happening back then to my neighbor.. every site he had in Analytics was hit and the exact same format sites, even on the same server, were not touched. Crappy deal that they use the service against the very people gathering the data for them. I'll never use Google Analytics again.

Okay I'm with you, but what about sites like mine that use analytics and show great numbers (long stay, low bounce rate, etc.) and still get hit by this update?

I'm sure Google does rely on info from analytics as a measuring tool when compiling the search results, but I highly doubt this particular update has anything to do with that.

I think Google targeted websites that gained links quickly and with similar anchor text from similar web properties across the web. That is the mark of someone who is doing something against Google's TOS (buying/manipulating links) and as a result are being punished.

Trying to bounce back from this is going to be tough. It's not as simple as changing your on page optimization tactics. You would literally have to go and delete many of the links that you have created (or change some of their anchor text). Anf if you have thousands of links pointing to your site, well, that would be an impossible task.

Other than that, with all those links continuing to point at your site, you will never recover.

But then again, that's just my take.

BTW, does this mean I can start to spam the hell out of my competitors and just wait for the rankings to drop?

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realworld 14 years ago

Originally Posted by aaallday2010

BTW, does this mean I can start to spam the hell out of my competitors and just wait for the rankings to drop?

I wondered if someone spammed my sites to cause the recent issues. Let's all use black hat techniques on the top three sites for any given key phrase to see what happens. Surely G would not keep them at the top.
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kthor

14 years ago

I think Cutts didn't get laid on the 24th of April and decided to take it on the so called 3% of the sites

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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

Let's all storm Matt Cutts blog lol

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cooler1 14 years ago

I realised that my sites which were not negatively affected by the Penguin update, don't have any outbound links in the footer. However, my sites which were affected and moved way down the SERPs have an outbound link in the footer.

The footer link is an anchor text link to the site of the person who designed the theme. I didn't put the link there myself.

Could footer links cause a negative affect or is this entirely a coincidence?
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LiftMyRank

14 years ago

I think G will have to do a bit of a rollback, this has been a very heavy handed update, there is public negativity building about it plus the serp's look very erratic, give it a few weeks guys for things to settle down, the serps will change again soon....

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Moore

I think G will have to do a bit of a rollback, this has been a very heavy handed update, there is public negativity building about it plus the serp's look very erratic, give it a few weeks guys for things to settle down, the serps will change again soon....

Google isn't going to 'roll back' anything. The true aims of all Google updates are higher profits. If this update is making them money (which you know it is because they test everything) they won't be changing it.

This is the new Google reality.

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webjedi 14 years ago

Best update so far.
So many spammers dropping from the game.
They single handedly improved the quality of the interwebs.
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- Oranges 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by webjedi
  
  Best update so far.
  So many spammers dropping from the game.
  They single handedly improved the quality of the interwebs.
  
  Bwahahahahahahahaha @ "Quality":rolleyes:
  
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- LeapingHorse 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by webjedi
  
  Best update so far.
  So many spammers dropping from the game.
  They single handedly improved the quality of the interwebs.
  
  I hope you're right and that that is the end result. As of right now it seems to have helped the spammers, but I think when the dust settles you'll be right. I like the intention of the update but the implementation is definitely flawed.
  
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- RWhite 14 years ago
  
  Sorry, but you are out of your mind.
  People that don't even do SE0 have been penalized and mom and pops who don't even know what SE0 is are closing up shop.
  
  it is guys like you who think they are squeaky clean that got hit...if it happened to you for no apparent reason as it has to many you would not be saying this.
  
  The search results are in shambles BTW...
  
  Originally Posted by webjedi
  
  Best update so far.
  So many spammers dropping from the game.
  They single handedly improved the quality of the interwebs.
  
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  rinor81 14 years ago
  
  So are we on our way to Yahoo?
  
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ScarlettD

14 years ago

What google hates..
That we are willing to pay hundred - thousand dollars for SEO company

What google wants..
They want us to campaign our websites using adwords..

They don't care about the webmasters and seo company that went bankrupt ..
They don't care how many families are suffering because their online business collapsed ..

They forget that they become very famous also because of the webmasters..

The more we talk about google, they are getting famous each day..

If we want to stop their monopoly, then stop using google.. Don't rely on them..
Because they don't care at all..

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ScarlettD

What google hates..
That we are willing to pay hundred - thousand dollars for SEO company

What google wants..
They want us to campaign using adwords..

They don't care about the webmasters and seo company that went bankrupt ..
They don't care how many families are suffering because of their online business collapsed ..

They forget that they become very famous also because of the webmasters..

If we want to stop their monopoly, then stop using google .. Don't rely on them..
Because they don't care at all..

How realistic was it really for these 'families' to rely on income that solely existed due to Google rankings? Worse, calling this a 'business' put these poor families into a mindset that they were doing something much more substantial than 'gaming Google' for easy money.

Real business survive algo updates all the time, without flinching. They have more than one source of traffic. These strange 'Google-Only' monstrosities are not businesses.

I'm not diminishing the pain these poor misled fools must feel now that they're been bankrupted within a few days of an 'algo adjustment,' but let's get serious here. Slapping up a few pages of content and spamming thousands of backlinks is hardly building a business.

I've run a business for twenty years. Do you realize that even the most basic 'business expenses' add up to $40,000 a year or more? Do you know much paperwork and overhead a business has? Even small ones are costly to operate.

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realworld

14 years ago

The reality at this point is that Bing and Yahoo are better. Their results are much more relevant which was not always the case. I have begun the switch to Bing and plan to take a closer look at DuckDuckGo.com which holds promise as well. Once the public gets hold of this, the tide will shift

. A few press releases hear and there and poof, G will start a downward slide all because of greed

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by realworld

The reality at this point is that Bing and Yahoo are better. Their results are much more relevant which was not always the case. I have begun the switch to Bing and plan to take a closer look at DuckDuckGo.com which holds promise as well. Once the public gets hold of this, the tide will shift

. A few press releases hear and there and poof, G will start a downward slide all because of greed

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A few press releases will not make 60% of the world's population shift over night. You are right, though, DuckDucKGo has the best results ever!

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ScarlettD

14 years ago

Originally Posted by realworld

The reality at this point is that Bing and Yahoo are better. Their results are much more relevant which was not always the case. I have begun the switch to Bing and plan to take a closer look at DuckDuckGo.com which holds promise as well. Once the public gets hold of this, the tide will shift

. A few press releases hear and there and poof, G will start a downward slide all because of greed

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Yeah, they should change their name from "Google" to "GREED"

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Jaka Pradana 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ScarlettD

Yeah, they should change their name from "Google" to "GREED"

like this quote *lol
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- ShivaLingam 14 years ago
  
  Right now Google stock is down almost 5 points from the open price... how much do you bet that they will revert everything if the stock starts plummeting?
  
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  mosthost 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ShivaLingam
  
  Right now Google stock is down almost 5 points from the open price... how much do you bet that they will revert everything if the stock starts plummeting?
  
  Sounds like wishful thinking/sour grapes.
  
  GOOG has 'crashed' to $611 per share. They still have a long way to go before panic selling kicks in
  
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  LeapingHorse 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ShivaLingam
  
  Right now Google stock is down almost 5 points from the open price... how much do you bet that they will revert everything if the stock starts plummeting?
  
  Their stock price going down isn't related to this algo change.
  
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  TheInternet 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ShivaLingam
  
  Right now Google stock is down almost 5 points from the open price... how much do you bet that they will revert everything if the stock starts plummeting?
  
  Day to day fluctuations usually mean very little in the long term. Google is involved in a high profile patent lawsuit and just got sued by another company. That small drop is from people anticipating a panic from less-informed investors. They'll sell some stock now and rebuy when it's lower.
  
  You can see the same drop in other search engine stocks.
  
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- Lisa Mills 14 years ago
  
  We are an established internet company of 7 years. We usually feature in the top 3 positions on Google and have done for many years. We saw our ranking drop to positions 4 and beyond a couple of weeks ago and then after the Penguin update we were on pages 4 and beyond. This wiped out the majority of our income over night.
  
  As we rely on the business for our income we rushed to put things right. We noticed that one page was actually still ranked highly but all other pages were not. We focused on one unranked page and did the following;
  
  removed overuse of the chosen keyword on that page
  
  inserted the keyword in other relevant locations on the website
  
  revisited some old articles and updated the resource box to reflect the keyword
  
  updated the home page with fresh content
  
  And hey presto, over night we went from page 4 to position 1! we didn't work on any other of our keywords as we ran out of time. We have done the same thing to all our keywords now and hope that next time Google indexes us it will move us up the search engine.
  
  We use mainly article marketing and on page optimisation. We employ SEO companies but they are scratching their heads. As far as we know we have only ever used white hat techniques.
  
  Incidentally - at various times today the website has disappeared completely but comes back again on Google in the same position.
  
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  update 1- 5-12 - scrap that, I am getting personalised results from Google. We are nowhere.
  
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Dayne Dylan

Banned 14 years ago

The bigger they get, the bigger the fall. It's just a matter of time I believe.

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14 years ago

Yep, algorithm always change.
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hunti410

14 years ago

my big site moved down a position from #'1 to #2, but it is the long tail keywords where I have lost over 50% of my usual traffic with this one site.

Lisa Mills' statement - I have updated on site stuff, cleared out words that I believe may have been interpreteted as "over-optimisation", etc. This site has been #1 on Google since 2009.

I also think the lack of fresh content is an issue [I accept that I have been lazy with this site in recent months] - is this a new filter perhaps?

Anyhow, updated site, made sure that the on site SEO does not conflict with Titan's guidelines and add new content which I will change every month [I amange a local taxi company].

Should I do more and is there a reason why the LT keywords that we used to rank so well for have vanished?

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ShivaLingam 14 years ago

Originally Posted by hunti410

I also think the lack of fresh content is an issue [I accept that I have been lazy with this site in recent months] - is this a new filter perhaps?

I don't think so, otherwise this doesn't explain the preferential treatment given to old, neglected or completely abandoned sites which are now showing up on the first page for many keyword
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Now guess what? I discover that all white-hat seo techniques that you promote in your books are terrible wrong!! Now your SEO Books worth nothing !!

Fully agree! Think about all the white hat SEO books on the market. They became worthless overnight. As an IT consulting firm, we considered offering SEO services but not now.
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TheInternet

14 years ago

Google is a complicated system. It can take time for the dust to settle after even a small change. It's not just changing a few rows in a database on a computer in some guy's closet. Google is reprocessing the entire Internet and synchronizing changes across a global network.

Making the settling process less exciting for webmasters is a difficult engineering problem that I'm sure they're working on. Until then, rushing to change things is not wise.

Work on becoming less dependent on Google while you wait for things to normalize.

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14 years ago

Just get a good seo service to help you get out of pandas update youll be fine it worked for me

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14 years ago

I just got a card in the mail from google - $100 in free adwords advertising! Sorry google, I don't think that's going to fix anything.

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14 years ago

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Trent Rez

14 years ago

Sorry for coming off harsh. My websites are my babies. I spend well over 200k on my websites each and every year. So having no children of my own those are the closest thing in which I have. Literally you stop me on the street and say hey you have any pictures of my kids I will pull out an ipad and start bringing up my websites. So you can see with the time and money and personal investment why I am so quick to get upset about anyone I feel talking smack about one of them.

You wanna know the true secret to SEO. I found this out long ago. The less you need google the more they want you. I have no desire or need for google personally. It can go under tomorrow and I will be just fine. *I did not know nor do I care I am ranking for a keyword in the UK. Does not interest me.* The only thing I would REALLY be lost without is gmail.

I run a business and my business is to diversify. Never put all your eggs in one basket. The wider spread out you have your eggs the more chances of you having success in your business. Google and SEO is no secret it is just no one wants to admit the truth. Literally when you want to find something and I do this too. Do you not put in the name of the site as well. Like say I am searching for something like an obscure vegetable would you not put in the name of the obscure vegetable and then a source you would know has the information like wiki? Do you know how many people search for stuff with the last word being wiki like carrot wiki? That right there tells google man these guys do not need us but with all these searches coming in we sure do need them. Think about it...Google gives love to sites that do not need them.

This is why in the past linking on blog networks and such has worked. You are saying hey google my site is popular look at all these links. Now a days it is not so simple. Google is catching on and getting smarter. They are not so easily fooled by such linking patterns.

So what kind of sites get the best rankings.. Is it content? Well I can prove to you right now that content will not get a website ranked. What does content do for a site? You know what it does it allows you to rank for more micro keywords on it's own without even trying. Enough of those micro keywords will help to build your site into an authority in your niche. That is a long long slow road. It takes a lot of effort to build your rankings with content alone. For competitive niches look at having about 10 million word websites.

As I said though content is not needed there is other ways. Have you ever heard of social bookmarking? Of coarse you have everyone has. Now let me tell you a secret. The older and more authority your social bookmarking account has in that social bookmarking site the easier it is to get your site ranked. You know why? There are others following you who will reshare what you share and these people have friends who will do the same and so on and so forth on and on and on again. This creates a viral traffic magnet. It helps getting your content indexed. It helps getting your content ranked. Google LOVES fresh content and a story going viral on a SB site shows google that it is FRESH and RELEVANT to what people want to know. This will get you ranked to the top of the serps. Sometimes overnight.

There is also other things but those are the main points to think of.

Fresh relevant content.
Social bookmarking on aged accounts.
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I have proved this formula time and time and time again in thousands of some of the most competitive niches. It is not broke so don't fix it. So there you go. All future google updates will actually be based around this so you might want to start making friends on SB sites. It will not hurt you.

BTW Any tool you use to do this is fail if you must take some time and effort and pick your friends accordingly. Make sure they have a lot of followers and have power. If you ABSOLUTELY must hire a freelancer or outsourcer to handle the job.

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BigG95

14 years ago

Another update: About half of my sites have bounced back to page 1, the others are still dancing. They are not in the top positions they have been before, but at least made it back to page 1. FYI

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cooler1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BigG95

Another update: About half of my sites have bounced back to page 1, the others are still dancing. They are not in the top positions they have been before, but at least made it back to page 1. FYI

Good to hear. Did you make any changes to your sites since Penguin rolled out? Im not seeing any movement at my end.

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BigG95 14 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Good to hear. Did you make any changes to your sites since Penguin rolled out? Im not seeing any movement at my end.

I did absolutely nothing. Wanted to see what would happen.
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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BigG95

Another update: About half of my sites have bounced back to page 1, the others are still dancing. They are not in the top positions they have been before, but at least made it back to page 1. FYI

THIS is the reason people shouldn't be talking suicide or bankruptcy within the first few hours of an update.

Page 1 means you're still in the game

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BigG95 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

THIS is the reason people shouldn't be talking suicide or bankruptcy within the first few hours of an update.

Page 1 means you're still in the game

I know, at least with some of my sites. The ones that bounced back so far have been in the # 1 spot for several years and I did loose quite a bit of money. I will see, if they will end up where they were before.

The only sites of mine that didn't get hit were local sites.
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trustumar

14 years ago

Yes, there is again an update. My 2 sites dropped on April 24. Today, 1 has bounced back and now ranking at page 2 and 3. Before Penguin update it was ranking at top 5. I am not worried much because sites that dropped were only producing $3 per/mo. Both the sites are very similar though they are in different niches. Further i built same type of links for both.

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14 years ago

half of my sites get de-indexed. i guess more will coming

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Steadyon

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

How realistic was it really for these 'families' to rely on income that solely existed due to Google rankings? Worse, calling this a 'business' put these poor families into a mindset that they were doing something much more substantial than 'gaming Google' for easy money.

Real business survive algo updates all the time, without flinching. They have more than one source of traffic. These strange 'Google-Only' monstrosities are not businesses.

I'm not diminishing the pain these poor misled fools must feel now that they're been bankrupted within a few days of an 'algo adjustment,' but let's get serious here. Slapping up a few pages of content and spamming thousands of backlinks is hardly building a business.

I've run a business for twenty years. Do you realize that even the most basic 'business expenses' add up to $40,000 a year or more? Do you know much paperwork and overhead a business has? Even small ones are costly to operate.

Please climb down off your High Horse.

You insult too many people here.

A lot of decent websites without crappy spammy backlinks got hit in these past few weeks.

Are all of these people "poor misled fools" to quote you?

Put a sock in it.

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malcsimm 14 years ago

A site of mine was getting 15k visitors a month in January 2011.

With me doing nothing special to it at all, this rose to 20k by May 2011, 25k October, 32k January 2012. Thanks a lot Google!

Then the downfall: Feb 28k: March 22k: April 13k. Google - you b*stards! LOL

I've done almost nothing to rank this site: it's just 90 pages of old newsletter content of mine that has been up there for 10 years.

No backlinking, no BuildMyRank, no article marketing, no Fiverr "specials", no Scrapebox, no SENuke. Nothing, Nada. Just sitting there.

Not even very well optimized.

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Google traffic hit
A selection of my sites by unique visitors show (today - monthly traffic):

Down 42%
Down 4%
Down 5%
Down 8%
Up 53%
Up 22%
Down 10%

Looks like some-and-some to me. And I expect there's a bit of dancing in there - some will bounce back, doubtless.

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The lessons are clear, as others have been saying:
- Don't rely on Google for your money - diversify
- Be cautious which sites you put in G Analytics, and also what you use Gmail accounts for (eg "spamming" social bookmarking sites, etc)
- Be careful with your link-building. Dont' mass backlink your main sites. (Use "buffer" or "feeder" sites, which are expendable, but can pass on PR to your main sites.)
- When you build links, get a variety; drip them fairly slowly, and be consistent over time - don't get 500 one week then no more for a month.
- Centre your backlinking efforts around a small number of high quality links (high PR - 5/6/7) and support these with a variety of lower quality links with a good variety of anchor text.
- Let "natural" be your guide
- Look out for "footprints" which can be identified and punished. That's how BMR sites got hit.

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And finally, I find it helpful to remember that Google's greatest fear is that it will start to fail to provide good quality search results to its users. G's whole business revolves around search, though they are trying to diversify. And a lot of their income, I seem to recall a huge majority of it, is from Adwords. And no-one using their search means vastly reduced income from Adwords for them. So that is their fear.

They are not setting out to screw Internet marketers. And let's face it: it's actually a pretty good search engine, though I say so myself!

They are setting out to deliver good search results. But they are not always good - sometimes their search results contain cr*p sites, and they are aware of that and trying to fix it. (Panda, Penguin, Platypus, Partridge, Peacock... etc)

We are all just playing in the same game and need to plan our own strategies accordingly. The parts of our businesses relying on Google need to revolve around providing good quality content for searchers. If we do that - and make sure we are not relying on Google for too much of our income, we can't go wrong.
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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

Please climb down off your High Horse.

You insult too many people here.

A lot of decent websites without crappy spammy backlinks got hit in these past few weeks.

Are all of these people "poor misled fools" to quote you?

Put a sock in it.

I'm not riding a high horse. I'm just really tired of people complaining about how their ride on the Google gravy train came to an end. That's life. Deal with it.

Nobody told people to hire multiple employees based on revenue derived from search results only. Come on man, that's downright idiotic. Do you think anyone can honestly predict how much traffic Google is going to send them year in and year out? That's no way to project revenues or to do business.

Within hours of the average Google update there are people firing employees or jumping off the nearest cliff. Get serious here. Business is filled with challenges. Google updates their algo hundreds of times every year. Can you really afford to run your business based on what they're doing? I don't think so.

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14 years ago

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I hope this will not be here. I have hopes that Google will need to finish the update. I hope things improve.

If google stops updating than google will be full of spam site and we will not be able to get good results or useful information..
Just go for proper SEO . you site will never go down.
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1byte 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rajinder

Just go for proper SEO . you site will never go down.
Thaanks

Rajinder Ricky

So what is "proper SEO" these days? There are many webmasters who practiced what they thought was proper SEO as defined by Google, only to get hammered by the Penguin on April 24th 2012.
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jacksonlin

14 years ago

That's the problem. People with 100% clean "no where close to blackhat" sites were penalized too! THAT'S THE PROBLEM!

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14 years ago

google algo is change ranking, keywords and so many more

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maheshr

14 years ago

Any updates guys. One of my site is still beyond #500 th, before it was in top 5.

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cooler1 14 years ago

Originally Posted by maheshr

Any updates guys. One of my site is still beyond #500 th, before it was in top 5.

No change apart from traffic is getting worser. Two days in a row without any sales. Yesterday was the first day of the year I had no sales, now its two days in a row.

I don't think hoping things are going to change is going to work, we need to build backlinks then wait for the next update.
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shifat

14 years ago

it looks like everyone been suffered with the recent algo changes in here!

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14 years ago

The update appears to continue to roll out, sites I thought made it through are now losing big rankings this week.

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There is no such thing as proper SEO with Google anymore.

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14 years ago

yes google algo is change yestarday a new virsion update penguin 1.1

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14 years ago

Any artificially inflated keyword density (10% and over) is keyword stuffing and you risk getting banned from search engines.

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14 years ago

Hello! Google is a bit nuts nowadays. I think this may last longer. Well, for all of you who got hit, good luck on your plans. Best of luck!

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Austin E Anthony

14 years ago

If you are still suffering from Penguin, do a 301 redirect and get your rankings back. I did 301 on ALL my sites that got hit with a special 301 code I coded and I recovered all the sites back to page one and they have been there for 2 months now ranking steady.

Just make sure you do the 301 properly otherwise the penalty will transfer and you will lose ranking again.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by young-Money

If you are still suffering from Penguin, do a 301 redirect and get your rankings back. I did 301 on ALL my sites that got hit with a special 301 code I coded and I recovered all the sites back to page one and they have been there for 2 months now ranking steady.

Just make sure you do the 301 properly otherwise the penalty will transfer and you will lose ranking again.

Do you need to buy new domains to do a 301 redirect? How do you do a 301 properly, do you have a link to a guide which explains each step?

There has only been 1 penguin refresh so far around 26th May, so how have your sites been ranking steady for 2 months since recovering?

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Austin E Anthony

14 years ago

Yes, new domain. I don't have a guide but starting a service soon to help warriors recover their ranking with the same method I used. Since I did the redirects, all my sites came back and have been ranking ever since. That has been 2 months now.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by young-Money

Yes, new domain. I don't have a guide but starting a service soon to help warriors recover their ranking with the same method I used. Since I did the redirects, all my sites came back and have been ranking ever since. That has been 2 months now.

2 months ago was 28th April, which was only 4 days after the penguin update. How could you have recovered after just 4 days when the first penguin refresh wasn't until near end of May?

How does the 301 recover your rankings? If it uses new urls then don't you need to build new backlinks to the new domain before you get your previous rankings prior to Penguin?

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14 years ago

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by young-Money

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

I thought Penguin only started to roll out on 24th April, so if you got hit on 18th April what makes you think that was due to Penguin?

Most people say that Penguin is mainly due to backlinking and over optimization, so if the backlinks which were pointing to your old site then point to your new site, why doesn't Penguin trigger on the new domain also?

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Jasonsc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by young-Money

My sites got hit, I think 18th April, I did the redirect after a week, today is 28th June, that is about two months since the sites came back (roughly). Well, all I care about is that my sites came back and they are still ranking and not the dates because that is irrelevant.

Because it is a 301, Google sees it that you have moved your site to a new domain so the backlinks that were pointing to your old site will now point to your new site. Like I said you need to do the whole thing properly to work. Peace!

Originally Posted by cooler1

I thought Penguin only started to roll out on 24th April, so if you got hit on 18th April what makes you think that was due to Penguin?

Most people say that Penguin is mainly due to backlinking and over optimization, so if the backlinks which were pointing to your old site then point to your new site, why doesn't Penguin trigger on the new domain also?

I believe that what young-Money's sites COULD have been hit by was actually a bit of a glitch with Google's "classifier for parked domains" which was reported in and around the 18th. https://plus.google.com/109412257237...ts/BBDZDq3a5DR

Cooler, I also believe that you are right in what you say - a 301 redirect pushes any link authority from the old domain to the new and should be used for when moving a site. If Google punishes a site for some reason then that punishment will also be passed through the 301, to the best of my knowledge.
It is logical after all - why would Google come up with a complex algorithm to rank (or derank) websites only to also offer a way for sites which Google deemed were of a low quality / had a dodgey backlink profile / etc to simply transfer everything to a new domain except for the punishments which were incurred on the first domain.

They wouldn't. In my opinion.

young-Money, before offering any sort of service, if I were you I'd make fully certain of a) what your sites were actually hit by, b) why your 301 solution worked and c) that you didn't engage in any black hat activities to regain your ranking.
You haven't done a very good job of explaining yourself in this thread thus far - and while it's fine to say what worked for you and why you think it worked for you it is another issue entirely to offer a service (attempt to get other warriors to pay you) to help people to regain there rankings through your method unless you can state clearly what it is.

Fwiw, I don't need help in this regard I just came across the thread and figured I'd add my thoughts to the discussion ... although the OP is a long while ago.

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14 years ago

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Austin E Anthony

14 years ago

Well, I clearly know what Penguin is and that was what I was hit by. I have been following this thread since day one. The day everyone stated that they got hit is the day I got hit as well.

Sorry guys, I may not be right on the exact timing since my sites came back but all I did was 301 but this was done properly. I cannot give everything away at the moment because I plan to start a service and I am also going to show my websites that got hit and came back through redirects so that everyone can see for themselves.

I didn't do any black hat. I am a white hat kind of guy but even the white hat sites got hits when penguin algo. came.

Anyway, I am only taking about what has worked for me. I may not be the only person that knows this system of recovery because I have seen few people in my niche doing the same thing and their sites I haven't seen in serp for a while is back and when you go to their original site, its a redirect to the new site so this system is working and effective.

Hope that clears things up.

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14 years ago

Yes. My page rank downed from 1 to 0.

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13 years ago

i heard google now a day focusing on onpage seo and existing blog on site
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i heard google now a day focusing on onpage seo and existing blog on site
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