Blackhat? whitehat? pinkhat? this is the REALITY!

by zaco
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I see alot of users are crying about how they did their white hat SEO and got penalized or lost their rankings..bla..bla..bla

Why don't we sit and look at it for a moment! do you really believe that building links from blog posts or posting "usefull non spammy comments" are white hat? c'mon! you are leaving a comment to get a backlink and this backlink is not natural so stop fooling your self by saying it is white hat or pink hat!

The only way to get natural links is to have an authority site that people will actually backlink to you without your knowledge, it is possible to create such a site but I will be honest its hard and needs alot of work and dedication, everybody will say they have an authority site because its ranking or it has a high PR which is total BS, the only authority site is when people backlink to you because you provide useful stuff.

I am not on Google's side because they created the whole backlinking thing since people cannot rank if they don't do it! if I have a review site and I provide unique valuable information then how would I rank if I don't build backlinks? how can I compete? I have to do backlinking by myself to be able to rank which is what I am doing and what I will continue doing, if I will depend on Google then I have to play their game, I think it is a fair game and it is their service tho so if I don't like their attitude then I won't use their service, at the end of the day they own it and its theirs so live with it. Find ways to rank..no other choice
#blackhat #pinkhat #reality #whitehat
  • Profile picture of the author Ashera
    You are 110% incorrect. A useful manual blog comment in a related niche is completely white hat.
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      You are 110% incorrect. A useful manual blog comment in a related niche is completely white hat.

      Could be but why don't you leave a comment without adding your website? if someone else left it then it is a white hat but if you leave a comment there then you did it on purpose and according to Google's guidelines this is blackhat, it might bring you traffic / give you link juice but you left the comment there not someone else, whitehat is when someone else "votes" for your site, you cannot vote for yourself..

      As I said I am not on their side but this is how they see it and they created this whole concept of whatever"hat"...
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      • Profile picture of the author Ashera
        Originally Posted by zaco View Post

        Could be but why don't you leave a comment without adding your website? if someone else left it then it is a white hat but if you leave a comment there then you did it on purpose and according to Google's guidelines this is blackhat, it might bring you traffic / give you link juice but you left the comment there not someone else, whitehat is when someone else "votes" for your site, you cannot vote for yourself..

        As I said I am not on their side but this is how they see it and they created this whole concept of whatever"hat"...
        As long as the link is nofollow you aren't manipulating pagerank, and that's what Google is against. They never said they have a problem with doing something that will bring you in traffic.
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        • Profile picture of the author zaco
          Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

          As long as the link is nofollow you aren't manipulating pagerank, and that's what Google is against. They never said they have a problem with doing something that will bring you in traffic.
          Well you have no control if the link will be nofollow or follow, it could bring you traffic but was it naturally built? you should agree that the link is unnatural and you built it your self..we need to be honest with ourselves first
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        • Profile picture of the author .
          Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

          As long as the link is nofollow you aren't manipulating pagerank, and that's what Google is against. They never said they have a problem with doing something that will bring you in traffic.
          hey Ashera
          QUALITY COMMENTS LIKE THIS?
          1000detailsbe.ipage.com/2011/09/20/52

          pointing to
          SEO Orange County Company | Website Design | 50 Media

          isn't that your site Mr Whitehat?

          or what about YOUR comment links sharing links with CIALIS sites?

          2011 Horror Movies List
          or
          Ende meiner 1. Saison für Toronto und Rückflug nach Deutschland | Torsten Frings

          mmm I can see you really know about WHITE HAT, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author Fadiz
        Originally Posted by zaco View Post

        Could be but why don't you leave a comment without adding your website? if someone else left it then it is a white hat but if you leave a comment there then you did it on purpose and according to Google's guidelines this is blackhat, it might bring you traffic / give you link juice but you left the comment there not someone else, whitehat is when someone else "votes" for your site, you cannot vote for yourself..

        As I said I am not on their side but this is how they see it and they created this whole concept of whatever"hat"...
        Yup if you add hundreds of "whitehat useful comments" it become little gray

        did you guys read this ? Another step to reward high-quality sites - Inside Search I found it on shoemoney blog, I quote "Google's over-optimization penalty AKA Google messing with the minds of SEOs" LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author zaco
          Originally Posted by Fadiz View Post

          Yup if you add hundreds of "whitehat useful comments" it become little gray

          did you guys read this ? Another step to reward high-quality sites - Inside Search I found it on shoemoney blog, I quote "Google's over-optimization penalty AKA Google messing with the minds of SEOs" LOL

          LOL yea I read this one, for the over optimization I will have to agree, Google removed one of my sites because of keyword density even if it was in the menu and I didn't do it on purpose, so I had 2 sites in the same niche and I decided to remove the repetitive keyword from the menu of one site, my site tanked and I started bashing Google left and right and slowly it came back after a month then disappeared and came back.

          The site that I didn't remove that keyword form the menu is ranking nowhere in the top 100, they actually penalized it for the keyword density, the problem is when we call things gray hat but we call it gray hat because we think its useful/non spammy but we actually also see its unnatural lol so here we go again to Google's guidelines where this is blackhat..
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Rules of blog commenting.

            1) All blog comments are spam.
            2) In the event you think your blog comment is not spam, please
            refer to rule #1.

            Google has said over and over and over that comments are spam
            and they add no value to a page. In fact, just the opposite.
            They add unintended content and change the dynamics of
            a page. No reason to allow comments unless you have a
            discussion/new site, like yahoo, usatoday, etc. where comments
            are part of the community. All html is stripped, people are banned,
            etc. Those comment pages are games, not websites.

            Nofollow was to COMBAT spam. So, if you have a link with a
            nofollow, what does that signal? That you are a spammer?

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author zaco
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Rules of blog commenting.

              1) All blog comments are spam.
              2) In the event you think your blog comment is not spam, please
              refer to rule #1.

              Google has said over and over and over that comments are spam
              and they add no value to a page. In fact, just the opposite.
              They add unintended content and change the dynamics of
              a page. No reason to allow comments unless you have a
              discussion/new site, like yahoo, usatoday, etc. where comments
              are part of the community. All html is stripped, people are banned,
              etc. Those comment pages are games, not websites.

              Paul
              I totally agree but for some of my sites I have to do that in order to rank, when Google catches me then I wont cry and say it was whitehat because I know that I did build the comments to benefit from them for rankings / traffic.

              I don't know why people do not want to admit that what we do is blackhat, everybody tries to act innocent! hello! we are building backlinks to rank! if I get caught then I remove them and ask to be reconsidered...if I want to use Google's services then I have to face the consequences..

              Even blog posts are the same, if you build them to get backlinks then they are blackhat..not GRAY!
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            • Profile picture of the author Ashera
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Rules of blog commenting.

              1) All blog comments are spam.
              2) In the event you think your blog comment is not spam, please
              refer to rule #1.

              Google has said over and over and over that comments are spam
              and they add no value to a page. In fact, just the opposite.
              They add unintended content and change the dynamics of
              a page. No reason to allow comments unless you have a
              discussion/new site, like yahoo, usatoday, etc. where comments
              are part of the community. All html is stripped, people are banned,
              etc. Those comment pages are games, not websites.

              Nofollow was to COMBAT spam. So, if you have a link with a
              nofollow, what does that signal? That you are a spammer?

              Paul
              Paul how can you make a blanket statement and say that comments add no real value to a page. In the Web 2.0 world we live in, majority of sites are all about interaction. The web used to be a much more static place than it is now. I mean if you look at it in your terms - the majority of sites that DO exist today ARE discussion/news sites.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Rules of blog commenting.

              1) All blog comments are spam.
              You have some good posts but sometimes you just go off for going off sake. What you just wrote is one of those times. Please give us the link where Google says ALL comments are spam. Thats just utter and complete nonsense. Come on Paul - If we had detention you would be put in time out for fibbin
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashera
    Do you really think BlogSpot comments would allow for people to leave their website if it was meant to be an unnatural aspect of SEO as long as it's not abused.
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by Ashera View Post

      Do you really think BlogSpot comments would allow for people to leave their website if it was meant to be an unnatural aspect of SEO as long as it's not abused.
      Blogspot is only one place where you leave comments, but keywordluv and many other serivces allow you to leave your comment with follow links, I have a list of 27,000 follow keywordluv pages...

      Btw you know that nofollow links also manipulate the rankings? I have done a test on a site for more than a month and most the links were nofollow and I moved up in the serps, I left that site for a year then I built another 20-30 nofollow links and I saw the site going up up up..
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    I can find your spammy links alll day....

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    how much interaction did you had with this Russian site?
    I'm curious... Mr Social Media expert

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    Good web site! I truly love how it is simple on my eyes and the data are well written. I am wondering how I could be notified whenever a new post has been made. I've subscribed to your RSS which must do the trick! Have a nice day!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashera
      Originally Posted by rankinghero View Post

      I can find your spammy links alll day....

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      how much interaction did you had with this Russian site?
      I'm curious... Mr Social Media expert

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      orange county seo | 2011年11月21日 13:57 | 返信

      Good web site! I truly love how it is simple on my eyes and the data are well written. I am wondering how I could be notified whenever a new post has been made. I've subscribed to your RSS which must do the trick! Have a nice day!"
      I've never built a single non manual blog comment to that site. I was ranking over a year ago, and was hit by a massive 100k + scrapebox blast by a competitor(s). But I never claimed I've never used black hat tactics anywhere in the past- but I sure as heck don't do crap like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author esmein
      When I say I built my site white-hat, I mean Google Grade #FFFFFF.

      I have built 3-4 EZA links last June to kickstart the indexing and have been focusing on on-site unique content ever since. Up to 120 pages at the moment.

      Traffic kept rising as I covered more and more topics on the site. Up until the 24th, obviously. 90% of Google traffic gone.

      I am not using spun content on any of my sites. I am not commenting on other blogs for links. I am not using mass distributed crap for branding or links.

      I built my site white hat, and it got whacked.

      I'm entitled to a little rattling of the cage don't you think?
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      • Profile picture of the author zaco
        Originally Posted by esmein View Post

        When I say I built my site white-hat, I mean Google Grade #FFFFFF.

        I have built 3-4 EZA links last June to kickstart the indexing and have been focusing on on-site unique content ever since. Up to 120 pages at the moment.

        Traffic kept rising as I covered more and more topics on the site. Up until the 24th, obviously. 90% of Google traffic gone.

        I am not using spun content on any of my sites. I am not commenting on other blogs for links. I am not using mass distributed crap for branding or links.

        I built my site white hat, and it got whacked.

        I'm entitled to a little rattling of the cage don't you think?
        Sorry to hear that..but you mentioned you used EZA.. Google HATES EZA.. and you mentioned you only built links from EZA so Google might have seen that as spammy.. you should build backlinks from different sources to make it look natural
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  • Profile picture of the author esmein
    I don't think a webmaster should build _any_ links at all. Whatsoever. It's not my job to link to myself as a content creator. I worry about the info I put out, my visitors worry about mentioning me if they find it useful.

    Which is basically what Google says you should do.

    Looks like something tripped their alarm.

    From now on I simply am not going to bother with chasing Google traffic. They send me whatever they think I'm worth and I'm not going to care about what they want.

    I'll find out what my visitors want instead. Google can lick a stash of salt in the meantime.
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  • Profile picture of the author iobeek
    Authority vs non-authority.... oh well....

    Authority site is not a site that is full of quality content. It is not a site that many links were bought for and it ranks well because of that. It is not because you think it is.
    It is, if it gets linked from high school or college professors. It is, if it gets referenced in other peoples papers - online and offline. It is, if it has a huge base of followers and most are satisfied with the content and/or product.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    It's so funny to see all the newbies on here preaching to the choir because their little flower blogs didn't lose ranking.

    Newsflash Idiots: High quality authority sites that you couldn't spend the next 100 years to create yourself have dropped from rankings completely, even with purely organic links. Stop using this as a chance to preach to people who don't give a **** and instead let the big boys work out the mess that is the latest algorithm update.
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    • Profile picture of the author zaco
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      It's so funny to see all the newbies on here preaching to the choir because their little flower blogs didn't lose ranking.

      Newsflash Idiots: High quality authority sites that you couldn't spend the next 100 years to create yourself have dropped from rankings completely, even with purely organic links. Stop using this as a chance to preach to people who don't give a **** and instead let the big boys work out the mess that is the latest algorithm update.
      Sorry but where did you see anybody preaching about their websites here? we are discussing the blackhat/whitehat concepts. Mr Heron you need to learn how to read before writing lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
        Originally Posted by zaco View Post

        Sorry but where did you see anybody preaching about their websites here? we are discussing the blackhat/whitehat concepts. Mr Heron you need to learn how to read before writing lol
        It's the inference.
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    • Profile picture of the author iobeek
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      It's so funny to see all the newbies on here preaching to the choir because their little flower blogs didn't lose ranking.

      Newsflash Idiots: High quality authority sites that you couldn't spend the next 100 years to create yourself have dropped from rankings completely, even with purely organic links. Stop using this as a chance to preach to people who don't give a **** and instead let the big boys work out the mess that is the latest algorithm update.
      And those are?
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      • Profile picture of the author zaco
        Originally Posted by iobeek View Post

        And those are?

        I think he lost his rankings so he is in shock..lol
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    yes, that is true...
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