Perfect SEO Methods Since Google Update

by estz
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Hello People,

I wanted to start a thread and find out what everyone's tactics are since the latest update! I will obviously share what I am doing also, we recently acquired a nice domain that is 10+ years old, very keyword specific and has had a website on it for 10 years so has lots of authority in google's eyes however we also have a lesser site that we have had for 1 year and it ranks well locally however we are using the "lesser" site to test out on with low authority links and then the 10+ year old site to only use high authority links.

10+ year old site we have our own high PR blog network that we use and write 300-400 word unique articles and then point a few anchor text links back to the site, this is the only technique we are currently using on this site however very soon I shall be pointing around 100 high PR 4-7 blog comments per week to it.

With the lesser domain we do forum profile links, blog commenting, blog posts but with spun content, directory submissions and so on and to be honest we haven't noticed a drop in the SERP's since the update so I don't know if we have just been very lucky to get away with it as obviously the above techniques are very spammy and low quality.

I was wondering what everyone's techniques are now since the latest G update and if anyone has any recommendations with regards to link building.

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#google #methods #perfect #seo #update
  • Profile picture of the author Zibblu
    I think the thing that is most upsetting about this latest update is that it seems indiscriminate. Two of my sites that have the most unique quality content got hit the hardest meanwhile I have thin affiliate sites that are doing just fine (or even better.)

    I don't really have any idea why some of my sites were hit and others not. It doesn't appear to have *anything* to do with unique quality content though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    I mostly do nothing and hope for the best. Maybe buy a backlink packet once in a while... Because that's what SEO is. Four hour work week baby!
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    100 Blog comments per week? blog posts with rich targetted anchor texts? That kinda stuff will eventually tank that 10 year domain - a week or a year from now - it will eventually happen. Whether the content is spun or unique it makes no difference.

    If you're building links yourself (not waiting around for people to naturally link to you), my general rule is to ignore ANY link or source that is too easy to acquire. That eliminates just about everything you can buy in the WSO/Warrior for hire section, everything on Fiverr and everything that can create and mass produce by the various automated programs.

    That leaves you with a few options which I use:

    -Guest Posting on Quality Sites (I don't guest post on anything with a DA less than 50, any less is a waste of quality content, IMO)
    -Quality General & Niche related Directories
    -High PR Links either from paying for them, acquiring domains, etc.
    -Press Releases
    -Youtube / Q&A Sites

    -A strong onpage structure.
    -An active social media presence.
    -Good/Pretty site design
    -Descriptive Titles rather than titles that chase keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stockypotty
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      100 Blog comments per week? blog posts with rich targetted anchor texts? That kinda stuff will eventually tank that 10 year domain - a week or a year from now - it will eventually happen. Whether the content is spun or unique it makes no difference.

      If you're building links yourself (not waiting around for people to naturally link to you), my general rule is to ignore ANY link or source that is too easy to acquire. That eliminates just about everything you can buy in the WSO/Warrior for hire section, everything on Fiverr and everything that can create and mass produce by the various automated programs.

      That leaves you with a few options which I use:

      -Guest Posting on Quality Sites (I don't guest post on anything with a DA less than 50, any less is a waste of quality content, IMO)
      -Quality General & Niche related Directories
      -High PR Links either from paying for them, acquiring domains, etc.
      -Press Releases
      -Youtube / Q&A Sites

      -A strong onpage structure.
      -An active social media presence.
      -Good/Pretty site design
      -Descriptive Titles rather than titles that chase keywords.
      OP, LISTEN TO THIS POST.
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    • Profile picture of the author markus3000
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      (I don't guest post on anything with a DA less than 50, any less is a waste of quality content, IMO)
      .


      What is a DA? Domain Authority?
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by markus3000 View Post

        What is a DA? Domain Authority?
        Yeah Domain Authority. Something you can measure on open site explorer. Several programs also pull it as a metric.

        It's generally a better indicator of the quality of the site as opposed to PageRank. It's also updated more often than PR.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Yep I rather have my content at a PR1 page with DA60, then at a PR4 page with DA20
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    If I was you I wouldn't post any sort of blog comments directly to your main website or for that matter profiles, or links from spun content.

    It seems linking building has become much more refined, it's more about relevance now, if you have 90% unrelevant backlinks then it can't be good especially if they are high pagerank links. Finding links that are both high pagerank and have site and page relevance is probably the way to go.

    It's probably worth building up some quality original web 2.0 sites with unique content and recycling the pagerank. Less is best now, not thousands of links, even for a high competition keyword you would only need 100 or so pr4/5 relevant links to rank well. I would aim to get 100 very high quality links as oppossed to 1000 reasonable links.

    I have seen websites with better social profiles on FB and Youtube ranking alot better, so if your going to do alot of seo work, it's probably better to focus on building up these social groups and linking them with nofollow links to your website.

    I think a big mistake alot of people made was link consitancy, you hear alot of people saying keep the links going everyday but in reality a natural link profile wouldn't really look like this, perhaps shorts bursts of links 2/3 ever few days and also alot more social bookmarking to internal pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Texjd
    As usual it's tough to pin down any single factors. I have completely mixed results from the update. Some are obvisouly suffering from spammy links and BMR links that are no longer with us.

    But what's wierd on my sites is many of the pages have lost position (dropped 50+ spots off of front page) on chosen keywords but they are catching a lot more long tail searches. WTF?

    And looking at who is seating on the front page now in many of my niches is really insane. I have noticed that Wiki sites have moved up, large old and outdated sites have moved up, and a sprinkling of very bad MFA sites.

    So far, other than the obvious, I don't know what is going on.

    My only plan of action is I have some new websites that are untouched right now and I'm going to breath some life into them and start testing. They've been sitting for at least a year with a few pages of good content but no linking and no monitization.

    I'm not doing anything to my current crop no matter if they were impacted or not until the latest changes settle down for at least a week.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm doing the same things I did last month & the month after that...
    • Focus on the niche/keywords.
    • Build quality content for traffic (not bots).
    • Format the pages for both traffic & bots (think Wikipedia page layout).
    • Traffic goals are 50% niche forum, 50% SERPs.
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    I manage 50 sites and can see no correlation between sites that suffered and sites that did not. Only three of our sites were adversely affected, one was a test site for me to try out SEO methods and I believe I went to crazy on the link building. The anchor text signals on the few pages that did severely drop are way to heavy on keywords.

    However, we have another site with good anchor text and link diversity and the site has log geo targeted rankings for its landing pages for no apparent reason. Meaning if you searched for keywords + destination, all the landing pages which were previously #1 have dropped and been replaced by smaller mom and pop websites for their respective area. I think Google is being more picky about large sites going after geo targeted area's that they aren't truly in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zibblu
    I think the thing that is most upsetting about this latest update is that it seems indiscriminate. Two of my sites that have the most unique quality content got hit the hardest meanwhile I have thin affiliate sites that are doing just fine (or even better.)

    I don't really have any idea why some of my sites were hit and others not. It doesn't appear to have *anything* to do with unique quality content though.
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  • Profile picture of the author ereader1407
    authority site is the one that can survive from the algorithm these day..

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    avoid the massive backlinking in a short time. it will slap your website fastly.. one of my minisite is decrease in position this month. from no.3 in google to no,7 for now.

    *_*
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by ereader1407 View Post

      authority site is the one that can survive from the algorithm these day..
      My authority site was churning out over 400,000 pv's per month, gone!

      as Tommy Cooper would say "Just like that"
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  • Profile picture of the author Arowana
    I will do negative SEO to my competitors (not sure but possibly) and replace SEO articles with human readable articles including Title, H1, H2 etc. Use more natural anchor texts not just targeted keywords. Implement manual slow SEO practices for my new websites... What else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Theeban
    I guess, still contextual link building rocks (article submissions, blogging and etc) as well as niche related links. However, we should diversify anchor text a lot....
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  • Profile picture of the author adrixe
    With the new update, my site and all my clients sites are still doing good.

    Using AR and UAW and BI only for all the sites. All sites are for local businesses.

    My site lost a few spots on some KWs. still in the top 5 w/c I dont mind.

    Hopefully all the BLs will not be affected. I'll be using more KWs for my site and my clients site just to be safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Originally Posted by Theeban View Post

    I guess, still contextual link building rocks (article submissions, blogging and etc) as well as niche related links. However, we should diversify anchor text a lot....
    ^^ yes do exactly the same thing everyone's been doing for the last 2 years. You can't lose!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      My way is way better. :p
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Lol.

      So you buy links & don't have content?

      Classic!
      Hilarious!

      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I mostly do nothing and hope for the best. Maybe buy a backlink packet once in a while... Because that's what SEO is. Four hour work week baby!
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      I mostly go after 8-12 word longtails. Content is overrated.
      I dont know whether its your avatar or your comments, but man I LOL'd!
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  • Profile picture of the author Zibblu
    One thing I think I'm seeing: Almost all of the link outsourcing I've bought on WF has been worse than a bust. I wish I could just say it's thousands of dollars wasted, but it's more like thousands of dollars that did a lot of harm to my websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart william
    Try to focus on content sharing site in genuine way dont use those sites for getting backlink.
    Use anchor text diversity in your link building campaign. Use genuine content on your website, dont stuff your content with keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author gardenkeeper
    There is no big change. Content is still the king. While you should decrease the backlinks from forums, Google seemly lower the importance of forum links.
    I do think adding links of do-follow blog is much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Red Eagle
    Is this the WARRIOR forum, or not?

    Is there not a real warrior here among us? Who among us will stand up to Google?

    Has there ever been a generation in our history who willingly bowed down before a corporation the way we have bowed down on our knees before Google?

    We should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow Google to put us on our knees so they can own us and ours.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Red Eagle View Post

      Is this the WARRIOR forum, or not?

      Is there not a real warrior here among us? Who among us will stand up to Google?

      Has there ever been a generation in our history who willingly bowed down before a corporation the way we have bowed down on our knees before Google?

      We should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow Google to put us on our knees so they can own us and ours.
      There's a ton of real warriors. Just look around!
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by Red Eagle View Post

      Is this the WARRIOR forum, or not?

      Is there not a real warrior here among us? Who among us will stand up to Google?

      Has there ever been a generation in our history who willingly bowed down before a corporation the way we have bowed down on our knees before Google?

      We should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow Google to put us on our knees so they can own us and ours.
      I will stand tall, brother. Google can kiss my big hairy you know what
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by Red Eagle View Post

      Is this the WARRIOR forum, or not?

      Is there not a real warrior here among us? Who among us will stand up to Google?

      Has there ever been a generation in our history who willingly bowed down before a corporation the way we have bowed down on our knees before Google?

      We should be ashamed of ourselves if we allow Google to put us on our knees so they can own us and ours.
      So you're saying you've huge serpsticles then? What's your game plan bro?
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  • Profile picture of the author bwnet13
    Im still doing exactly the same as a was before tbh. Good on site SEO, but not too excessive mixed with high quality, high pr backlinks and thats pretty much it. Less links but higher quality links is best imo. Works for me 9/10 anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author estz
    I guess it now comes down to doing SEO the old fashioned way again, getting high quality niche related sites and getting links that way rather than using the more spammy techniques of forum profile linking, blog commenting and so on.

    Was interesting to see everyone's responses.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    I am still doing what I did before, and that's doing things very slowly, and only doing off page SEO related things now and then.

    My results are slower but I haven't had any problems, and if you're going after right keywords then it still doesn't take that long.

    I have noticed since update so many sites with 0 backlinks ranking, either full sites, twitter profiles, profile links etc. I cannot see how Google have found their middle ground yet, some of the results are a complete joke.

    Very slow, very natural, long term strategy for me.

    One of my sites ranked #3 with one backlink, I built it and didn't do anything to it for a month off page wise, then got a good backlink and it shot up.
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  • Profile picture of the author hicksdelight
    Also, another big thing I have noticed is EMD's have tanked bigtime and a lot of results are now sites with sub pages of myurl.com/mykeywordhere.html.

    Many of these sites have no banklinks and EMD sites build specifically for that one keyword with backlinks and some decent content have tanked. What I take from that is sites that have lots of different pages with different keywords in a related niche are doing very nicely, even torrent sites ffs! kat.ph are ranking superbly since the update.

    Also noticed subdomains doing well too, I wonder if Google now treat subdomains as a subpage rather than a new page, probably not but I have noticed sub domains on authority based sites doing very well with little on page or off page seo.

    Just few observations.
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  • Profile picture of the author estz
    Interesting stuff, hopefully all of this just blows over soon as I can't see it staying around too long as Google will just be creating more work for them self's especially with the negative SEO that you can now do where if you really want to you can slam a competitors site for as little as $5. Obviously as you guys are well aware If you are in a highly competitive industry and you are ranking 3rd or 2nd you can simply slam a your two competitors website's above you and then you will rank #1.

    Obviously I hope people are not going to do this however you know it will happen and then people will be submitting manual reviews requesting google to check there site out which will in turn use up time etc etc. They should just stop making lame changes to the algorithm and let things be ;D
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  • Profile picture of the author extremejava
    @estz
    very well said. with the current trend about penalizing sites with spammy backlinks, it will be all about submit competitor's website on fiverr for those really bad 10000 backlinks gig and you have knocked your competitor with $5
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    -Optimize on site SEO
    -I build manually web 2.0 network around money site with unique readable content,photos , videos etc
    -Add some quality link diversity pointing on money site and blogs(only high quality and safe links)
    -I start blasting the hell out of those blog , forum profiles,wikilinks,blog comments ,sb (I never point this kind of BL on my money site)
    - In the end I add social networks push mixing it with various videos in order to add more link diversity
    - crawl and ping everything
    -profit

    This strategy worked months ago and still works like charm.
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    Until we figure this all out I'll be doing:

    - Original content on various public blogs; wordpress, blogger, tumblr, etc. Followed by tiered linking as usual.
    - Buy a few expired or auction sites in my niche. Throw up a wordpress blog and a few original blog posts.
    - Occasional press release.
    - Make 100% of the links branded, URL, or click here, etc.
    - Look for high authority sites within the industry that I can buy some advertising on.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    I'm doing the same steps I've always done and haven't had any problems.

    Find high search volume, low competition keywords that have a great affiliate program in that niche.

    Build a squeeze page.

    Attach a blog that I add good content to to the same domain name as the squeeze page.

    Write unique, original articles for syndication (the steps of how I do that I've posted in other threads).

    Social network.

    Youtube videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    I'm doing the same steps I've always done and haven't had any problems.

    Find high search volume, low competition keywords that have a great affiliate program in that niche.

    Build a squeeze page.

    Attach a blog that I add good content to to the same domain name as the squeeze page.

    Write unique, original articles for syndication (the steps of how I do that I've posted in other threads).

    Social network.

    Youtube videos.
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    44 days in and we broke the $10K a month recurring bench mark.

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  • Profile picture of the author georgem78
    I would like to focus on creating fresh content more than in the past. Grow my networks at social media sites and post the links there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Red Eagle
    estz asked, what are the Perfect SEO Methods Since Google Update?

    The answer to Estz's question is simple... Promote any search engine but Goggle. Stop Google's monopoly so everyone can benefit from competition between all the search engines again. Google provides terrible search results nowadays (see Warrior forum for examples everywhere) compared to Bing, Yahoo, Start Page, etc.

    Google has no intention of providing publishers Adsense revenue very much longer. It should be quite obvious to you that each year Google continues to pull away from their publisher business model more and more. All the revenue it ever provided them was a poultry 15% or so, respectively. Now Google has huge legal problems over their business model (see New York Times article) and search engine monopoly.

    The Google corporation has big plans to dominate search and much more, but their plans do not include you no matter how well you obey Google or how often you change your SEO methods to please Google.

    There are so many thousands of Warriors who suffer from Google's greed. Show your family, friends and anyone who will listen how Google's search results suck while other search engines return better results with less ads. Spread the word... Bing and Duck Duck Go are better, Start Page offers more privacy, etc. The real reason Google used publishers in the first place was not to make money through revenue sharing, but to build their brand.

    Let people know Google has become a dirty greedy corporate monopoly which only returns search results that make them money, and there are better search engines nowadays.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zibblu
    I'm afraid Red Eagle may be right in the long term. I personally like Duck Duck Go. It's going to be hard to get people off of their Google addiction. I've been trying to use Duck Duck Go for my searches but I still sometimes go back to Google by habit.
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