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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
    I'm loving it

    my sites all climbed the rankings without me doing anything... a lot of the EMD sites that were above me have been slapped
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      There you go... just in case Google didn't know which sites they hit, let's give them a list to go by.:rolleyes:

      You can petition all you want but they don't care what you want. They only care that they give the searchers the best possible experience that they can. So they're going to keep making changes until crappy 'I-just-wanna-make-a-buck' sites stop showing up in the first pages of search.
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        There you go... just in case Google didn't know which sites they hit, let's give them a list to go by.:rolleyes:

        You can petition all you want but they don't care what you want. They only care that they give the searchers the best possible experience that they can. So they're going to keep making changes until crappy 'I-just-wanna-make-a-buck' sites stop showing up in the first pages of search.
        This update has done more damage than good though. What sort of improvement have you seen since this rolled out? It's put loads of poor quality sites which haven't been optimized to the top, while those who have put effort in optimizing their site with white hat SEO and writing quality content are suffering.

        I agree that the petition will do no good though. Big G already know most people hate the Penguin update with over 500 angry comments on their official blog.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

          This update has done more damage than good though. What sort of improvement have you seen since this rolled out? It's put loads of poor quality sites which haven't been optimized to the top, while those who have put effort in optimizing their site with white hat SEO and writing quality content are suffering.
          Please show me some examples of sites that did nothing but white hat SEO that got hit by this update? I haven't found any yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author vstar650
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Please show me some examples of sites that did nothing but white hat SEO that got hit by this update? I haven't found any yet.
            My Son owns a well established service business, his website has ABSOLUTELY ZERO black hat techniques... when I say ZERO, I mean ZERO

            He has been ranked #1 for the term "Miami flooring" for 12 straight years

            As of now he is bottom of page #3 and has been taken over by useless websites that aren't even related to the same industry, in fact there are results from Miami kijiji of people selling used carpeting

            Here's the KICKER... My son's business name is "Miami flooring" and his website is Miamiflooring.com... so is that what Google calls black hat

            P.S.

            for privacy reasons I used Miami Flooring as an example only

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            Well it's all well and good to be comming into the warrior forum to voice our concerns to this horrific algo change, why not make yourself heard where it really counts... Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Another step to reward high-quality sites
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by vstar650 View Post

              My Son owns a well established service business, his website has ABSOLUTELY ZERO black hat techniques... when I say ZERO, I mean ZERO

              He has been ranked #1 for the term "Miami flooring" for 12 straight years

              As of now he is bottom of page #3 and has been taken over by useless websites that aren't even related to the same industry, in fact there are results from Miami kijiji of people selling used carpeting

              Here's the KICKER... My son's business name is "Miami flooring" and his website is Miamiflooring.com... so is that what Google calls black hat

              P.S.

              for privacy reasons I used Miami Flooring as an example only

              P.P.S

              Well it's all well and good to be comming into the warrior forum to voice our concerns to this horrific algo change, why not make yourself heard where it really counts... Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Another step to reward high-quality sites

              You wouldn't happen to be referring to this website?

              It's not "miami flooring", but it is pretty close.

              Anyhow, if so, that site is far from innocent.

              If not, well, I want to see specific examples that can be verified, not stories.
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              • Profile picture of the author vstar650
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                You wouldn't happen to be referring to this website?

                It's not "miami flooring", but it is pretty close.

                Anyhow, if so, that site is far from innocent.

                If not, well, I want to see specific examples that can be verified, not stories.
                NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE... and for privacy reasons I will not divulge his website on a public forum where tons of HACKERS hang out
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by vstar650 View Post

                  NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE... and for privacy reasons I will not divulge his website on a public forum where tons of HACKERS hang out

                  I understand.

                  I still have not seen a specific example of a site that didn't have sound reasoning behind its drop in rankings.
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          • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Please show me some examples of sites that did nothing but white hat SEO that got hit by this update? I haven't found any yet.
            As I posted above, I believe my site has been affected and all I've done there since I started it was write two high content blogs a week for my readers. It was indexing like crazy on Google but now I have a hard time finding my site on the same search terms.
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            • Profile picture of the author mosthost
              Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

              As I posted above, I believe my site has been affected and all I've done there since I started it was write two high content blogs a week for my readers. It was indexing like crazy on Google but now I have a hard time finding my site on the same search terms.
              You still could be subconsciously 'over optimizing.' Google turned down the knob on optimized pages. Take a good look at the pages replacing yours and see if you can get a clue about what's going on by checking their on-page. It doesn't seem like a site like yours would be penalized.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

              As I posted above, I believe my site has been affected and all I've done there since I started it was write two high content blogs a week for my readers. It was indexing like crazy on Google but now I have a hard time finding my site on the same search terms.
              I'm assuming you are referring to the site in your signature. This is the first example I have seen with no obvious spam pointing at it.

              Would you mind sharing some info about your ranking drop? How many keywords? Where were they ranking? Where are they ranking now?

              You can PM me if you do not want to share that info here.

              Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                I'm assuming you are referring to the site in your signature. This is the first example I have seen with no obvious spam pointing at it.

                Would you mind sharing some info about your ranking drop? How many keywords? Where were they ranking? Where are they ranking now?

                You can PM me if you do not want to share that info here.

                Thanks.
                Thanks Mike and Mosthost,

                Well, my niche is the Gospel Music Ministry. I offer vocal training that caters to Christian and Gospel singers, but I also blog about all aspects of working in music ministry.

                As recently as last week I could type in almost any key words related to that niche; terms like gospel, gospel music, music ministry, etc, although pretty general would still put several instances of my site on the first page. These would often point to various blogs I've written that included some instance of the keywords in the blog as a natural part of writing about it.

                Yesterday after learning about the update I tried these keywords again and was not able to pull up my site at all on the first page. My site's domain name is themusicministrycoach.com so it always ranked high whenever music ministry was mentioned. There is also another site named musicministry.com .

                This site would usually be there too but mine would be ranked a little better. That site seems to blog about music ministry also but doesn't seem as active. Well now, that site is coming up number one organic (at least when I did it) for that term and mine didn't come up at all. I haven't tried it again though.

                I saw several traffic generating products in the war room. I'm going to start delving into those and learning more about generating my own.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

                  Thanks Mike and Mosthost,

                  Well, my niche is the Gospel Music Ministry. I offer vocal training that caters to Christian and Gospel singers, but I also blog about all aspects of working in music ministry.

                  As recently as last week I could type in almost any key words related to that niche; terms like gospel, gospel music, music ministry, etc, although pretty general would still put several instances of my site on the first page. These would often point to various blogs I've written that included some instance of the keywords in the blog as a natural part of writing about it.

                  Yesterday after learning about the update I tried these keywords again and was not able to pull up my site at all on the first page. My site's domain name is themusicministrycoach.com so it always ranked high whenever music ministry was mentioned. There is also another site named musicministry.com .

                  This site would usually be there too but mine would be ranked a little better. That site seems to blog about music ministry also but doesn't seem as active. Well now, that site is coming up number one organic (at least when I did it) for that term and mine didn't come up at all. I haven't tried it again though.

                  I saw several traffic generating products in the war room. I'm going to start delving into those and learning more about generating my own.
                  When you were checking your rankings by typing in these keywords, did you use a Chrome incognito window or at least clear your browsing history? Also were you signed into any Google products when you did the searches?

                  It is very likely if you were ranking for that many general terms, you were probably seeing personalized search results, not the actual rankings.

                  Has your traffic dropped significantly or stayed about the same?
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                  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    When you were checking your rankings by typing in these keywords, did you use a Chrome incognito window or at least clear your browsing history? Also were you signed into any Google products when you did the searches?

                    It is very likely if you were ranking for that many general terms, you were probably seeing personalized search results, not the actual rankings.

                    Has your traffic dropped significantly or stayed about the same?
                    Good points Mike! I never thought of that. I wasn't using incognito but I definitely use Chrome. And I was almost certainly signed into G-mail. Traffic looks about the same when I checked, but I wasn't sure of the lag time.

                    One thing though; when I looked yesterday all of the same conditions would have been in place as when I checked the same keywords before and found my site ranking on the first page several times. It may be too early to tell and it may not have changed much. Certainly an eye opener though! I really appreciate the help Mike, thanks.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

                      Good points Mike! I never thought of that. I wasn't using incognito but I definitely use Chrome. And I was almost certainly signed into G-mail. Traffic looks about the same when I checked, but I wasn't sure of the lag time.

                      One thing though; when I looked yesterday all of the same conditions would have been in place as when I checked the same keywords before and found my site ranking on the first page several times. It may be too early to tell and it may not have changed much. Certainly an eye opener though! I really appreciate the help Mike, thanks.
                      If your traffic has stayed the same, then I would say you were seeing personalized results, which also can vary depending on your browser activity, and that your rankings have not actually dropped.

                      Try using something like Rank Tracker to get a true reflection of where your keywords are ranking.

                      Good luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Actually if we really look at the heart of the matter, Google cares about its profits plain and simple.

        Everything else is just propaganda. They have to ALWAYS ALWAYS do what's in the best interest of their stock holders.

        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        There you go... just in case Google didn't know which sites they hit, let's give them a list to go by.:rolleyes:

        You can petition all you want but they don't care what you want. They only care that they give the searchers the best possible experience that they can. So they're going to keep making changes until crappy 'I-just-wanna-make-a-buck' sites stop showing up in the first pages of search.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          Actually if we really look at the heart of the matter, Google cares about its profits plain and simple.
          Since Google is a business, I wouldn't expect anything else. I wouldn't call everything else propaganda though. For Google to make its money, they need visitors. To bring in those visitors, they need the best search results. So while their intent for doing the right thing by their readers may not be so pure, it doesn't change the fact that it is their intent.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        There you go... just in case Google didn't know which sites they hit, let's give them a list to go by.:rolleyes:

        You can petition all you want but they don't care what you want. They only care that they give the searchers the best possible experience that they can. So they're going to keep making changes until crappy 'I-just-wanna-make-a-buck' sites stop showing up in the first pages of search.
        The guys at Big G are laughing their butts off at this little petition!

        Seriously though, I've heard from many people that their sites are doing better than ever now so I don't see what the big deal is. My sites are still going strong, I didn't even notice the difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author BTbuzz
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        There you go... just in case Google didn't know which sites they hit, let's give them a list to go by.:rolleyes:

        You can petition all you want but they don't care what you want. They only care that they give the searchers the best possible experience that they can. So they're going to keep making changes until crappy 'I-just-wanna-make-a-buck' sites stop showing up in the first pages of search.

        Lol yep ditto, unless you got a few billions bucks laying around to fight them
        i'm sure they have a bigger agenda, silly just improve your sites and methods.
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        • Profile picture of the author lamontweaver
          The petition is almost up to 500 signatures, it is getting media attention at least and this is not good media for Google, so sign the petition.

          Also like this Facebook Page

          Boycott Evil Google
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          • Profile picture of the author Mister Rex
            Originally Posted by lamontweaver View Post

            The petition is almost up to 500 signatures, it is getting media attention at least and this is not good media for Google, so sign the petition.

            Also like this Facebook Page

            Boycott Evil Google
            500 Signatures! Wow, Google is going down!
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            • Profile picture of the author lamontweaver
              Cynics didn't help stop SOPA and they won't hurt Google, but bad publicity hurts Google and little things like this petition can touch off media stories of how Google hurts the little guy trying to make a buck in a bad economy and entrenches big corporations in the top search results.

              Those who say something can't be done should not get in the way of the person doing it.

              If you want to try and hurt Google,
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Countless webmasters have seen their livelihoods vanish over night.
    What did they expect would happen, when you build a business that another company has control over, you're standing on quicksand and it's only a matter of time before things go bad.

    The sooner webmasters realize that Google / SEO is only a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the success equation, the better.

    Every year when Google publicly announces a new update another batch of bloggers, webmasters and marketers cry about how unfair Google is... the lesson yet again is that webmasters should be diversifying their marketing strategies instead of relying on any single method.

    Until the next world-ending update,
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    • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
      Originally Posted by Mick Meaney View Post


      Until the next world-ending update,

      Mick

      Nice one Mick.

      I just saw your profile pic - I didn't think they had weather nice enough in Lancashire to drive around like that :-)

      Sam
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
        Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

        Nice one Mick.

        I just saw your profile pic - I didn't think they had weather nice enough in Lancashire to drive around like that :-)

        Sam
        We get 2 days of sun a year, usually the first weekend in July.

        The pic was taken on Lake Windermere, now that you mention it, it does look like I'm driving a car but I'm really in a boat.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
          Originally Posted by Mick Meaney View Post

          We get 2 days of sun a year, usually the first weekend in July.

          That's 2 more than I was getting when I lived there ;-)

          (Actually Lancs is pretty lovely).


          Originally Posted by Mick Meaney View Post

          The pic was taken on Lake Windermere, now that you mention it, it does look like I'm driving a car but I'm really in a boat.
          It could have been on one of the flooded roads happening right now near me in Sussex!
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      Originally Posted by Mick Meaney View Post

      What did they expect would happen, when you build a business that another company has control over, you're standing on quicksand and it's only a matter of time before things go bad.

      The sooner webmasters realize that Google / SEO is only a small (and increasingly irrelevant) part of the success equation, the better.

      Every year when Google publicly announces a new update another batch of bloggers, webmasters and marketers cry about how unfair Google is... the lesson yet again is that webmasters should be diversifying their marketing strategies instead of relying on any single method.

      Until the next world-ending update,
      Mick
      I understand what you're saying and using non-search engine traffic works great for blogs and established authority sites but does not convert for product review sites.

      face it, if you are looking to buy a beverage refrigerator, are you going to go watch youtube videos or read an article on it?

      no, they are going to either do a search engine search for "best beverage refrigerator" or just go straight to Amazon - preferably the 1st option.

      for product review sites, google SERP traffic is un-paralleled. 1 google sent visitor is worth at least 70 article marketing visitors and thousands of social viral visitors.....

      I know google is the devil but not for product review sites - its the only option
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Give it time cooler, the SERPs aren't done moving around. The update is just rolling out. People who's websites got slapped needed something to go after to try to seem justified, and that was the best they could reach for. Things will settle down and the results will be much better. Just wait and see.

    On the petition, I'm all for activism, but really?
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  • I think this petition will not get any results, because Google don't care about our websites, and with this Penguin update it decided to kill all the websites we care about for work.

    It's sad but this is the actual situation, and I'm sure this penguin popped out just for IM'ers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni View Post

      I'm sure this penguin popped out just for IM'ers.
      I'd agree. The thing is though that the "IMers" who are going to suffer from this did bring it on themselves. If they keep trying to find ways around Google's algorithm then Google is obviously going to keep changing the algorithm to try to stay ahead.

      IMers trying to game the SERPs don't have the best interest of Google's users at heart. If they did, they would let their sites gain backlinks, ranks, all that fun stuff through virtue of being the best site on "XXX" keyword. It's not the way those IMers think though.

      They have an affiliate product, and they want sales. They want those sales yesterday. So, they start getting sneaky and doing things like building links unnaturally (and believing that by doing so slowly they are somehow "white hat"). Google ends up with a bunch of sites trying to sell a $47 "How to Train Your Dog" ebook at the top of the SERPs, when the user only wanted to find a quick article on teaching their dog to sit.

      Eventually, that user is going to get pissed and say "F*** this, I'm going to Bing." Google knows this, and absolutely cannot afford to have it happen. They need users on their site using their search engine, being exposed to their adwords ads. Something needs to be done to ensure that users get the results they want to see. Hence, an algorithm update is rolled out that makes all of the "SEO techniques" people use to game the system worthless.

      When you look at it, this is nothing more than self preservation on Google's part. It is not their job to give your crappy affiliate pages prime spots on high volume keywords. Google cares about their users and what they want, not your business. Frankly, they don't have a reason to.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMAnthony
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

        I'd agree. The thing is though that the "IMers" who are going to suffer from this did bring it on themselves. If they keep trying to find ways around Google's algorithm then Google is obviously going to keep changing the algorithm to try to stay ahead.

        IMers trying to game the SERPs don't have the best interest of Google's users at heart. If they did, they would let their sites gain backlinks, ranks, all that fun stuff through virtue of being the best site on "XXX" keyword. It's not the way those IMers think though.

        They have an affiliate product, and they want sales. They want those sales yesterday. So, they start getting sneaky and doing things like building links unnaturally (and believing that by doing so slowly they are somehow "white hat"). Google ends up with a bunch of sites trying to sell a $47 "How to Train Your Dog" ebook at the top of the SERPs, when the user only wanted to find a quick article on teaching their dog to sit.

        Eventually, that user is going to get pissed and say "F*** this, I'm going to Bing." Google knows this, and absolutely cannot afford to have it happen. They need users on their site using their search engine, being exposed to their adwords ads. Something needs to be done to ensure that users get the results they want to see. Hence, an algorithm update is rolled out that makes all of the "SEO techniques" people use to game the system worthless.

        When you look at it, this is nothing more than self preservation on Google's part. It is not their job to give your crappy affiliate pages prime spots on high volume keywords. Google cares about their users and what they want, not your business. Frankly, they don't have a reason to.
        Yes they take care of users. But what about that information that only can be gotten by buying it in a digital format? I mean, who in the world would put any professional course to learn how to play the guitar for free?

        On the other hand this shows us that we should take care of the user too, and this is made trough useful content, not a 300 words crap article containing the phrase "how to play the guitar within days at home" 15 times trough it, but a well researched and informative one.
        I think we should be ready to Adsense, I guess only those will be the sites Google will accept.

        Any way, we will see a bunch of wsos to 'save us' from latest Penguin update.
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        • Profile picture of the author danr62
          Originally Posted by blueriver View Post

          Yes they take care of users. But what about that information that only can be gotten by buying it in a digital format? I mean, who in the world would put any professional course to learn how to play the guitar for free?

          On the other hand this shows us that we should take care of the user too, and this is made trough useful content, not a 300 words crap article containing the phrase "how to get six pack abs" 15 times trough it, but a well researched and informative one.
          I think we should be ready to Adsense, I guess only those will be the sites Google will accept.

          Any way, we will see a bunch of wsos to 'save us' from latest Penguin update.
          A whole course? Maybe not. But a tutorial on how to play the G chord? That's something you should be able to find with a simple search, without having to pay anything.

          It's the same analogy Joe used, only in a different niche.
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          • Profile picture of the author IMAnthony
            Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

            A whole course? Maybe not. But a tutorial on how to play the G chord? That's something you should be able to find with a simple search, without having to pay anything.

            It's the same analogy Joe used, only in a different niche.
            Yup, you are right, but a tutorial with videos, and more, its a whole course. And there is a market right there. People pay for it.

            But What Google wants is to give informative, useful and well researched information to show their adwords ads and profit from it.

            OK, that's good after all is its Search Engine, but it wants to use for it high quality/valuable content that costs time,effort and money and no give a reward to the websites owners...
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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

            What sort of improvement have you seen since this rolled out?
            None, but neither have I been affected. Only two of my sites have any kind of SEO done on them and neither one was affected in the slightest. I don't rely on Google. I don't write for their bots - I write for people.

            Originally Posted by Alessandro Zamboni View Post

            I think this petition will not get any results, because Google don't care about our websites, and with this Penguin update it decided to kill all the websites we care about for work.

            It's sad but this is the actual situation, and I'm sure this penguin popped out just for IM'ers.
            It didn't decide to kill your websites. They couldn't care less about your websites and why should they? That's not their business. Their business is making search useful for searchers, not in sending you free traffic to earn you money. And if you mean that the "penguin popped out just for IM'ers" in the sense that it wants to drop-kick crappy sites that used dodgy link schemes to fool the bots into thinking their sites had any real value, then I agree. I also say good for them and three cheers.

            Originally Posted by Thomas Michal View Post

            Bottom line: It's just a search engine and there will always be creative ways to get to the top.
            Yup, and those "creative ways" are what Google is trying to stamp out and will keep coming up with updates to do so.

            Originally Posted by Premier Plugins View Post

            Also, I'm reading and seeing tons of sites who are 100% legitimate, losing substantial amounts of traffic and revenue. I'm not sure they'll agree with you about "all being well". They were following the rules and now Google has put a serious hurt on them.
            Look back in history. Every major algo update has affected both good and bad sites at first. You need to allow things to settle before you can make any determination at all on the long-term effects. I haven't seen anyone complaining about losing that can say they didn't use dodgy, spammy backlink tactics. Not saying there isn't any, but I have yet to see them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
              Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

              Look back in history. Every major algo update has affected both good and bad sites at first. You need to allow things to settle before you can make any determination at all on the long-term effects. I haven't seen anyone complaining about losing that can say they didn't use dodgy, spammy backlink tactics. Not saying there isn't any, but I have yet to see them.
              That's kind of my point. Do you really wanna be spinning the roulette wheel with Google every time they roll out an update? Sure, your site may come back to good positions after a month or two, when things settle down. But, that next slap is right around the corner and you'll go another few weeks/months in the hurt-locker while they readjust the rankings again, before your site gets back to it's proper position.

              Finally, when your site re-stabilizes in the rankings, here comes yet ANOTHER algorithm update knocking you all over the rankings yet again! By it's very existence, Google will always have to make constant adjustments to their algorithm and this is an inescapable scenario with organic traffic.

              Even if every site in the world was 100% unique content, and a picture of Google perfection, they would still be adjusting the algorithm so that the rankings weren't stagnant and you'd still be seeing the same scenario over and over.

              All I'm suggesting is, it should be easy to see that basing any part of your traffic campaign around Google organic search is a very dangerous and risky practice and that it will never come close to the consistency you will derive from creating your own traffic sources.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Yes they take care of users. But what about that information that only can be gotten by buying it in a digital format? I mean, who in the world would put any professional course to learn how to play the guitar for free?
          I get what you are saying, and sites that have a guide like that do have their place in the SERPs. On certain keywords, they should rank very highly too. I'm not saying that there should be zero commercial products that benefit from organic search results. That would be foolish. People do use Google to buy as well.

          The problem is that certain "marketers" are screwing up the game for the people who do things the right way. Let's take the guitar example, because I actually tried to learn last year (didn't go very well ). While searching for a basic diagram telling me where to place my fingers for a G chord (small world dan ), I was bombarded by eguide after eguide that guaranteed me "all the secrets to playing the guitar in X amount of time". It had absolutely nothing to do with what I was looking for. I just wanted to know where the heck my fingers were supposed to go for the most basic of chords. If I wanted to buy an ebook I would have searched "guitar playing guide" not "finger placement for G chord".

          That is where the problem lies. "Marketers" who are trying to find "low competition" keywords to rank for are throwing up crap that has nothing to do with the subject matter in the hopes of making a sale.

          It looks like the aim of Penguin, once the SERPs settle down, is to bring search results closer to what the user actually wants. I see nothing wrong with that at all. Smart marketers won't either. If users know that they are going to get the information they want when performing a Google search, it adds more credibility to a marketers site that ranks the right way.

          If we're going to get to that point though, we are going to have to go through algo updates and adjustment periods like this one. If you ask me, it is worth the wait. The anguished cries of the "marketers" as their "businesses" crumble? Icing on the cake .
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Bottom line: It's just a search engine and there will always be creative ways to get to the top.

    The only problem I see now is there are A LOT of SEOs talking about G bowling other peoples sites now... and that isn't good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    My traffic has gone down a little bit not so much so that I'm concerned about it or anything. It usually dips a tad during the weekend anyway, so I'm not sure if it's due to an update or what. With the previous updates, my traffic has gone up, so I'll just have to wait and see.

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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      There is one immutable truth that many marketers miss:

      We are a very small part of Google's equation. There are far more google searchers than there are marketers (that's why we can make money with free traffic, albeit inconsistent). We as marketers can't expect to be at the top of Google's priorities. It's just plain math.

      Catering to marketers over searchers (potential customers) makes no sense for them or for us. If they loose customers, those customers they loose won't be searching Google to find our content.

      Now I know some folks put a lot of stock in Bing and Yahoo, but whenever I hear marketers talk about SEO, they're almost always talkin bout Google.

      Google wants to do well with their business - If they do well, those of us who use them for traffic will, too. (provided we're producing quality content, of course )
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Curtis
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        Catering to marketers over searchers (potential customers) makes no sense for them or for us. If they loose customers, those customers they loose won't be searching Google to find our content.

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        This is a common misconception.

        Google's customers are not the searchers. Google's customers are advertisers.

        From Merriam-Webster dictionary, "customer: one that purchases a commodity or service."
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  • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
    Personally, going forward, I would pretty much ignore SEO all together. Imagine it doesn't exist, just write for users, get your traffic numbers up there and never worry about how Google decides to run their business ever again.

    Aside from a little bit of basic on-page SEO to keep things organized, I'd put zero effort into trying to play Google's game anymore. I think one of the smartest things people can do for their online business is do whatever they have to do to generate their own traffic, their own community. Then you'll have the power and can use it to launch new sites, promote your own money sites, etc.

    I wish those that got smacked hard by Google the best. I know it's rough if you've built up a dependance on that traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasGreg
      I'd put zero effort into trying to play Google's game anymore.
      If you play 'Google's Game' and don't try to 'Game Google' all will be well.

      Sometimes, the desired results are slower to achieve, but the benefit is that they last a lot longer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Premier Plugins
        Originally Posted by VegasGreg View Post

        If you play 'Google's Game' and don't try to 'Game Google' all will be well.

        Sometimes, the desired results are slower to achieve, but the benefit is that they last a lot longer.
        Or, instead of worrying about Google ever again, you just build your site as if it doesn't exist.

        Also, I'm reading and seeing tons of sites who are 100% legitimate, losing substantial amounts of traffic and revenue. I'm not sure they'll agree with you about "all being well". They were following the rules and now Google has put a serious hurt on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    I sort of got over google a while back, I get tons of traffic from them but I basically ignore just about everything they do mostly because I think they are a waste of my time and energy. I will check out the petition though
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    My sites are doing fine. SEO is a zero sum game. For every change there is a winner and loser*. So some want a petition. Others do not.

    * Except for Google.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should find alterior ways to make money online without Google. Best petition i can think of.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingva
    I have a client site that I lost half of it's traffic starting last December for no apparent reason. We didn't do any backlinking at all except for article submission sites and our authors linking to us. This week our traffic doubled and the site is rising in the rankings.

    The lesson is to stop relying on Google for traffic. Work on other methods of getting traffic so you won't be so dependent on someone who can turn off the traffic spigot at any time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kreator517
    I'm not complaining.

    I was sick of seeing spammy sites ranking higher than mine which has 2+ years of careful content creation and patient link building.

    I say, Let the Cheaters EAT THEIR HEARTS!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Britton
      Originally Posted by Kreator517 View Post

      I'm not complaining.

      I was sick of seeing spammy sites ranking higher than mine which has 2+ years of careful content creation and patient link building.

      I say, Let the Cheaters EAT THEIR HEARTS!
      yes too right!

      I have risen 75% in the rankings without doing anything as many autoblog sites above me with lots of spam and scraped backlinks etc etc have all been slapped

      of course I have to see if those rankings hols but I have seen a steady upward drift
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Has anyone noticed that we are only hearing from the Google losers and not the winners?

    LOL

    For every site that disappeared from Google's SERPs, another one rose from obscurity to take its place!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I am not going to comment on the issue but I would like to add a little something that might be of some use to people.

    If your site has been hit by the update and you don't think it should have, here is a form to provide feedback: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...bkE6MQ&ndplr=1.

    I don't know if they will take any direct action as a result of a submission via that form but it wouldn't hurt to submit your site if you think you have been wrongly hit.

    EDIT: And for the curious minds, many of my sites have climbed in rankings and few have lost their spots so I am kind of liking this update
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  • Profile picture of the author SamKalai
    my sites all climbed the rankings without me doing anything SEO at all.... lots lots of visitors and lotss of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$... I'm laughing alllll the wayyy at the bank!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author peepin2me
    This update has been good for my sites. Except one site, I've seen SERP rankings improve across dozens of sites I own/manage!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
    There's never going to be an outcry over Google changes. They don't care about publishers and the user would never really notice a difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      You could petition forever and Google wouldn't care. They don't care who they hurt or help I don't think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    To bring in those visitors, they need the best search results.
    ...and the "best search results" are the ones that deliver what the consumer public asks for when searching.

    I spent some time tonight doing a bunch keyword searches to see how much the results had changed.

    The results I got tonight are far, far better than results on similar/same searches done in the past few months on multiple topics/niches/keywords FROM A CONSUMER SEARCH POINT OF VIEW. Google is, after all, a search engine/advertiser aimed at the internet public.

    I didn't find reams of EMD sites with a few pages of crappy content or a page filled top to bottom with links - and not a single page filled with sites featuring the same PLR content either.

    I also notice most of the results are not brand new sites - they are not GAMED sites - they are not sites "positioned" for a keyword but offering nothing of value.

    I've made several large online product purchases in recent months and it was frustrating to do a search because of the crappy sites that didn't ofer what I was looking for and were clearly designed only to rank in google and sell a CB product ABOUT the product I wanted buy.

    Those sites were missing tonight - good riddance. Could it be the days of launching a site, buying a bunch of Fiverr gigs and using every trick you can find to push your site to the top quickly...are over?

    Google doesn't care about your SEO efforts or the thousands of backlinks you bought in the past week.

    If I sound like a Google fan - I'm not. It's a tool like many other things I use. It's a business - and I don't own it (darn it). My own sites haven't changed - but I never play the SEO games and I don't build thin sites.

    One thing I noticed:

    The search results feature mainly authority sites - big sites - sites with some age on them - sites with good, helpful, informed content...and lots of it. This was a suggestion ("start building authority sites") that was made on this forum several times in the past six months.

    Of course it's frustrating if your sites got dinged. You can yell at Google for being "unfair", you can sign a petition telling Google how you want them to run their business - or you can learn what is working now and deal with it. I think the best way to proceed is to let the dust settle then evaluate and see what you need to do. Some of the dinged sites may come back - I've had it happen.

    This is only what I saw myself...tonight. It may be different tomorrow....and the next day...and the next.

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  • Profile picture of the author surferman
    link building is dead.. from now on everything has to be natural.. sad but true.. I think we should quit IM and look for some real world opportunities. Maybe selling lemonades can be a better idea.. A world without Google.. a world without thinking the next update. Just sell lemonades. wouldn't be better?
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  • Profile picture of the author purplecone
    Several others have already said something like this, but here goes: Google has the right to do what they want to with their own property (search engine). It's time to spend more time building sites up the right way, instead of using questionable tactics. I have seen some traffic slip, but not much.

    I am waiting until the 'dance' from this roll out is over, then I will reassess my methods.

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    • Profile picture of the author Content Traders
      Originally Posted by purplecone View Post

      Several others have already said something like this, but here goes: Google has the right to do what they want to with their own property (search engine). It's time to spend more time building sites up the right way, instead of using questionable tactics. I have seen some traffic slip, but not much.

      I am waiting until the 'dance' from this roll out is over, then I will reassess my methods.

      Linda
      I don't think now people should wait to develop new strategies. Everything is obvious and we all know what Google wants now. NO over optimization (optimize but for user not to get ranked ) and NO Spam link building/
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Thomas,
        The only problem I see now is there are A LOT of SEOs talking about G bowling other peoples sites now... and that isn't good.
        I'm not so sure that's a bad thing, at least in the short term.

        Well, okay. If you are trying to build a business on junk content and SEO gimmicks, it sucks, but that's always been in the cards. Just a matter of time. The price of entry just went up. It is now about getting traffic without Google in the mix, since you can't depend on them even if you're doing things with the end user in mind.

        There will always be ways to game the Google system, and there will always be people who play those games. Some of them will profit in the short term, but the only ones who'll really benefit from it are the ones who don't kid themselves about what they're doing. They're spammers and they know it.

        Unless you're willing to play the game with a definite end and no idea when it's coming, you're going to have to learn to get traffic without the SEs. Take anything you get from them as found money.

        All of that will make for stronger marketing and better content.

        I see that as a good thing.

        This goes right back to what I've been preaching for years: Don't build a business that is too dependent on any resource you don't personally own, no matter what that source is. Not the WSO section, not eBay, and not Google.


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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          It is now about getting traffic without Google in the mix, since you can't depend on them even if you're doing things with the end user in mind.
          Why not Google in the mix?

          The real problem is not that Google algo changes or that you can't rely on getting traffic from them the real problem is that most people are not building anything worthy of KEEPING the traffic that Google does sends their way.

          I use the example of WF all the time.

          Internet marketing forum gets 9,900 searches per month. Lets say at number one WF would get 6-7,000 for that one term (provided you track you would know better than I the real numbers but just for a hypothetical). Given other terms It would be easy to see how WF would get minimum 8-10, 000 visitors a month through search. Lets say that state of affairs stays that way for 8 months and then vanishes due to an algo change. I doubt Allen would give much of a rip. Certainly his business won't tank like you hear people saying theirs have because WF retains a certain amount of that Google initiated traffic in return visits and will continue to get residual traffic from word of mouth (and direct links) from that exposure the forum had when it did rank.

          Now I realize WF already hit that critical mass long ago and is in a certain position that other sites might not be in but too often people operate like monthly search volume is the total volume of traffic that google will bring in when the monthly search volume is mostly a representation of NEW searchers for that keyword. The old searchers do not all lose interest in the subject they simple don't search anymore because they have found your or some other site that meets their ongoing interest.

          What most adsense, affiliate marketers and unfortunately many marketers in general truly cannot rely on is the ability of their site to bring in return visits that Google initially set them up for. Their sites have nothing anyone would return to and the bounce rates indicate that those who do arrive can't wait to get out of the sites they find. SO i see no issue with having Google in the mix. In every successful business I know the lion share of the profit is made off of return customers and the referrals from previous customers. If you rank for even 6 months in a lucrative niche it can put many a well thought out business on solid ground going forward. A business that always needs to be number one in the search engine to be viable is not the problem of search engine marketing - its a problem with the site itself.

          Frankly a site that stays in the index for 6 months in a high traffic term and attracts lots of return visits is going to have greater longevity in the search engine itself because on the Internet customer recommendations often come in the form of natural links that will keep the site ranked higher even longer AND bring ongoing traffic through the link itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    I was hoping to see a petition like :

    Human Rights Petition: The President of the United States: Help Start a movement to Stop congress from passing the CISPA bill! | Change.org

    Google is nothing more than a search engine, there are more going around to be concerned about than Google and its lousy algorithms. Yes, Google I am sorry but you start to loose your track, too many updates, in a very short time and lousy results.

    I started to have a hard time actually using google to find what I am searching for online.
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    • Profile picture of the author honestbiz
      Originally Posted by onegoodman View Post

      I was hoping to see a petition like :

      Human Rights Petition: The President of the United States: Help Start a movement to Stop congress from passing the CISPA bill! | Change.org

      Google is nothing more than a search engine, there are more going around to be concerned about than Google and its lousy algorithms. Yes, Google I am sorry but you start to loose your track, too many updates, in a very short time and lousy results.

      I started to have a hard time actually using google to find what I am searching for online.
      I think that CISPA thing is seriously important, and more people need to join the various signature campaigns online to oppose this.

      That said, Google was one of those that supported CISPA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Content Traders
    Google will never reverse this update. To be honest this update is a sign of better IM and better internet experience. The GURUs who are now crying will learn the fact very soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Larkrise
    I've been watching what's going on from my own business perspective and what's happening to others.

    Most of my client sites haven't moved at all so I guess they are 'playing by the rules'. One affiliate site (my oldest) is doing okay and actually climbing - getting more traffic for some competitive keywords that I previously didn't see doing well.

    I've been interested in some of the weird sites appearing on page one at number one with no content - I guess that will resolve.

    I'm really glad that I sidelined into offline for a while because it forced me to really focus on content for quality sake not content for keyword sake. EDIT: Actually I have added what I call 'landing pages' which I excuse from the aforementioned, those do indeed act as ways to get 'found' in G for multiple keyword phrases. I do always however, start with the base information and user friendly site. And I could not afford to do anything blackhat with those sites so its been more about doing things correctly with a grey hat twist

    I totally agree that as marketers we cannot afford to rely on Google unless you are prepared to pay for your traffic. The way we now work will have to involve more effort in real marketing not just building links.

    I'm keeping my eyes on all the forums, my sites, Google's posts and continuing to do what I believe works.

    I feel really sad for some of those whose whole livelihood has disappeared overnight and am gutted for the website offering free help to addicts losing its position - that's something G needs to deal with asap for moral reasons.

    Right now syndicating your content is a good thing, its a natural activity that Google expects to see and even if we are actually doing this in part at least, to get our link on authority sites, we are also marketing ourselves. The tools and techniques we use to get our keywords neatly nested on our sites, our pages out there for G to position and our marketing strategies will change and improve. We as marketers will still find ways to do what we do easily and efficiently.

    But to continue in this business I think the key is 'pride'. Creating first and foremost a site that however basic (eg even if its only 5 pages), the content is high quality, useful to the reader and we would find it helpful ourselves is our step one. Then making sure our sites are working correctly and easy to navigate, are pleasing to the eye and we would want to recommend. Once we've set things up the right way, its all about letting people know our site is here for them. That's where thinking like Google, which also involves thinking like an advertiser who uses Google, is where you go next.

    Whatever you want to create, think about making it quality first. If you can feel proud of your 'babies' - the sites you 'deliver' to Google will rely less on SE's and more on people to grow and you will naturally prosper

    (well fingers crossed anyway - lol!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Very creative idea for a squeeze page.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mohan Harianto
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      Very creative idea for a squeeze page.

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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Buy google stock. Get enough shares to matter. Then you
        can have your say. Bad news though. Shares are $614
        each. (Apple is $603 BTW)

        Maybe the lot of you can pool your money.

        Judging by the responses, perhaps sanity is returning
        to the WF.

        Originally Posted by ticks100 View Post

        I read one webmaster saying "Google we are going to leave you for other search engines."
        Google would say, "Good riddance."


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  • Profile picture of the author Viramara
    Haha, now I understand why my site has a mysterious significant traffic increase (adding 200 more UV/day than before). And now they're using the Batman's villain for their latest update? Thank you, Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cedevita
    signed i lost few ranks with last update
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  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
    Well guys I can definitely attest to the fact that it's not just sites using "tricks" or unscrupulous methods. I write a blog twice a week, and have done so for almost a year. I write for my readers, relevant content to my niche, no keyword stuffing or anything of the sort.
    The keywords occur naturally in the articles, and then I place the relevant keywords in the space provided in wordpress.

    Last week I could type in pretty-much any keyword remotely related to Gospel music or music ministry and my site would have several entries on the first page of Google. After reading about this update today I checked again this morning.

    Now my site is not coming up for many of the same terms it was coming up for before. I didn't even come up for the term "music ministry" , which as always landed me in the top 3. I definitely look forward to learning from other members here about different traffic generating techniques that don't involved being a slave to Google's constantly changing algorithms.
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  • Profile picture of the author ticks100
    My site is getting advantage of the new update. And I don't thing google is going to listen to the webmasters. I read one webmaster saying "Google we are going to leave you for other search engines." okay, but people who are searching for something will never leave google. So if few webmasters leave google, they won't care I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author eguinan
    I agree with those who say a petition would make no impact at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author GregT7
    Much has been made on this thread about Google trying to create the best experience for its users and them not caring about IMers. Well what do their users want? Answer: High quality free content.

    But who is going to provide this high quality free content if Google punishes sites that are trying to make money by selling stuff (eg. the $47 ebook on "How to learn to play the Guitar")? And who is going to provide this quality content if the only way to make money online is by creating the content and waiting years for it to become popular enough to rise high in the rankings naturally?

    Personally, I have lost 3/4 of my traffic for my biggest website out of this update, and I have created a lot of very high quality content for the website. What sort of SEO did I do? Basic onpage SEO (include keyword 3-4 times in an 800-1500 word article, keyword in title, keyword in H1 tags, keyword in metadescription etc) and then commented on various blogs and forums. Is this so evil in Google's eyes?

    For one of the main keywords I'm targeting, guess what the new #1 is? It is a press release from about February this year. The article is short, the content is clearly spun and of very low quality, and the page does everything it can to try to stop you from leaving (multiple exit popups). To me, this is a terrible user experience. Yay Google!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Paul, I'm sure you're smart enough to know that the price of a share doesn't make it any more expensive to own.

    I don't know if it would be that great an investment anyway. With everyone here saying how important it is to move their traffic generating focus off Google and onto other mediums, why would business pay to use Google's services?

    Is it because millions of people make targeted searches on Google everyday?

    Being dependent on it is definitely bad but it's still a pretty big decision to ignore the opportunity because it's too tough.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MusicMinCoach View Post

      It's not "miami flooring", but it is pretty close.

      Anyhow, if so, that site is far from innocent.
      Thats what I have been finding. A lot of the people who think their sites are clean aren't (especially on forums where alot of people have been recommending unnatural looking links). There will however always be collateral damage. To be frank Google doesn't even care that some sites got caught in the cross fire if the first two pages for most searches looks fine.

      If not, well, I want to see specific examples that can be verified, not stories.[/QUOTE]

      Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

      why would business pay to use Google's services?

      Is it because millions of people make targeted searches on Google everyday?
      That and those companies are paying steep prices for customer acquisition not just one time click through traffic. their business model takes into account the ongoing value of a customer not just a one shot deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author MusicMinCoach
    That's a great point Mike, I hadn't thought about that, but that's certainly the case with a site like mine that's always being updated with new blog articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    The problem is not that this site or that fell in the rankings. It is not that your content is Pulitzer worthy, yet you just dropped from page one to page 106. It is none of that, really.

    The real problem is that it gives business owners a long sought, effective method to negatively affect competitors' search results. If people were of a mind to use "black hat" techniques to boost their own rankings, will they not jump with reckless abandon on the ability to downgrade their competitors' sites?

    Of course they will, and we'll see things that will exhibit little semblence of rational results, at least until G makes another algo change. Unfortunately, by that time, some of the best sites, many of which are fairly resource intensive, may have been irreversably harmed.

    This is one of the primary reasons I am transitioning my business to more of a local consulting model. Sure, you can have excellent content, and only have search engine traffic for one part of your traffic equation.

    However, the fact is that if new people want to find what you do, they will use search engines. If you're not there, you'll not be found by those people. If they're not seeing your Twitter feed, one of your blog subscribers, in your G circle, or one of your FB friends, you'll live in obscurity for these folks, no matter if your site offered a great solution for them, or not.

    The fact is that if they are already connected to you via social media, they are already aware of you. Search engines are for bringing in those who ar not, and thus will continue to be somewhat important, no matter how much you diversify your traffic away from them. Gviing competitors an effective blueprint to mitigate this is just plain bad business on Google's part, if they really do want to deliver the best user experience.

    By the way, what happened to the "Do no harm" they used to live by, or did that go out when they started blocking Chinese search result at the request of the Cinese gov't.?
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    Each time I think I've seen the silliest idea related to SEO, someone proves me wrong.

    You guys that keep trying to have direct contact with Google are only causing your own problems.

    Good luck with that. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author J3thro M
    I am not an SEO expert or anything, but I think it doesn't matter now what ever SEO strategy your using or even if your not doing SEO at all. After those google updates, NegativeSEO is somewhat clear. Before negative SEO could be true but now it has more weight, the penalty is much greater. Just try to search in godaddy how many negativeseo related domains had been registered, I did found SEOBOMBS..COM unregesterd
    Google did update their algo, SEO is just waiting on their updates, especially the blackhat ones. And I am hating it
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    I get a little tired of the posts like "Waa, Google. I had to fire my 10 employees because of this update. Your ruined my business!"

    If you were banking enough to hire 10 people but you can't withstand one negative update, you didn't have a business. You had a 'lick.' You should have realized that was 'easy money' and been reinvesting to build something sustainable.

    Now you're going to find out the hard way: Google doesn't give a **** about your business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by GregT7 View Post

      Much has been made on this thread about Google trying to create the best experience for its users and them not caring about IMers. Well what do their users want? Answer: High quality free content.
      I keep seeing people say that Google searchers want "free content". Where does it say this? Google repeatedly states they want to give the searchers what they are looking for but I've never seen them use the word free in the mix.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        I keep seeing people say that Google searchers want "free content". Where does it say this? Google repeatedly states they want to give the searchers what they are looking for but I've never seen them use the word free in the mix.
        If you look at a more direct response scenerio from Google - Adwords - then this is backed up. Google has no problem allowing paid solutions but the website must provide that solution, not a redirect to another site that might provide the solution.

        The tough part is becoming Google friendly when the solution is hidden behing the checkout counter. Sure, Google will return your result when directly asking 'where do I find product A' but are less likely to return any particular product when you ask it 'what's the best way to solve problem'.

        This is where you need free content, whether written by yourself or ideally written by your peers, pointing back to your paid solution. Paid content (with a few exception where you can allow Google to peak) are difficult to rank for vague searches simply due to them being locked away or shrinkwrapped from seeing what's inside.
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    As long as there's a Google, there's a way to manipulate it.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Adevictus
    This petition is silly. Google does not exist to serve other businesses, Google exists to serve Google. I can't believe people are really asking for a hand out like this...

    If you rely on Google and get slammed, it's your own fault.
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  • Profile picture of the author dm5k
    This Penguin update has its flaws as people have pointed out. Websites that are just horrible are ranking higher than quality ones! My website went from number 1 to number 8 on the first page of Google, but thankfully it has risen back up to 2. The website above mine is just garbage though.
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarjosh
    A petition, eh? haha.. Newsflash.. multi-billion dollar corporations don't make decisions based on a few hundred users getting a little less traffic to their sites.

    I'm not sure if I'm a cynic or not though.. because I did help to stop SOPA.

    I'm another one to benefit from the algo change. I guess I need to start a petition to thank Google for doing a great job.
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    Where do I sign!!!!!
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    Google wouldn't care, but I agree with you
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    Interesting 1,011 sig so far
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    Hehe interesting idea! - but why not just build more authority sites?
    If you sign that thinking you can then go build c*** online and make money, then you would be wrong - if its because you have a reputable business that got hit for the wrong reasons - then go for it
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