Congratz To Google For Garbage Results

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I've been observing googles results for quite a while and the penguin update has to be the biggest failure in quality results I've ever seen.

I had a website that had tons of articles that were informative, useful to my audience, and well written (free of grammar and spelling errors).

Now that my website and some other good websites in my niche are nowhere to be found for our keywords in googles results we are replaced by websites in the top two pages that include:
  • Websites that are a few pages long that pretend to be a professional organization or put on personas of people they really are not.
  • Websites that try to install viruses on my computer, yep in googles top results for my competitive keywords.
  • Websites that can't even spell the keyword properly, have garbage material that makes little sense.
  • Websites that don't even answer the users questions.
  • The list goes on and on.
My favorite is the websites with the viruses. Congratz Google on a great experience, gota love that no customer service and the fact that I reported some of these sites A LONG TIME AGO and they are still sitting nice and pretty in your results.
#congratz #garbage #google #results
  • Profile picture of the author DistinctWords
    My children's school district sent out a letter stating that for the remainder of the school year they do not want the children using Google for searches to complete their homework assignments. They are recommending Bing.
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    • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
      Originally Posted by DistinctWords View Post

      My children's school district sent out a letter stating that for the remainder of the school year they do not want the children using Google for searches to complete their homework assignments. They are recommending Bing.
      Wow, well with the results I'm seeing, especially the virus-filled pages I'm glad some of the public is taking notice.
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    • Profile picture of the author ketset
      Originally Posted by DistinctWords View Post

      My children's school district sent out a letter stating that for the remainder of the school year they do not want the children using Google for searches to complete their homework assignments. They are recommending Bing.
      Wow, how much did Microsoft pay off the Education Secretary! What a great promotional technique if they did!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
        Originally Posted by DistinctWords View Post

        My children's school district sent out a letter stating that for the remainder of the school year they do not want the children using Google for searches to complete their homework assignments. They are recommending Bing.
        Originally Posted by ketset View Post

        Wow, how much did Microsoft pay off the Education Secretary! What a great promotional technique if they did!
        LOL, I think Microsoft pay off the Google to do this penguin update. just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Google thinks they can slap IMers around, but I think they are underestimating the influence of this "tiny" group.

      When Google is more interested in punishing people rather than upholding its previous standards in search and being so arrogant about it, it's time for IMers everywhere hit by Google to remove their support for Google.

      A lot of bloggers/IMers have been sucking up to Google for a long time already. It's time to collectively remove that support.

      Some examples. The comments are very telling.

      The Real Reason I Broke Up With Google | PotPieGirl.com

      Ranking in Google after Penguin. « Jonathan Leger – SEO And Internet Marketing Blog

      Search metrics have proven this update was much bigger than Panda because of its scale of impact....probably one of the biggest if not the biggest update ever in Google's history.

      http://www.seomoz.org/blog/penguins-...nic-at-the-zoo
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    Would love to see a screenshot of that if you could take one, it would makes some waves in the community.
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    • Profile picture of the author Reinhard
      This is really shocking!! So with such developments on Google, do you think their keyword tool is reliable anymore? if not, what alternative would you recommend?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Update=Not finished. The results now are now what the results are going to be permanently.

    But of course, the people who would rather just whine than build a business don't want to hear this :rolleyes:.
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    • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      Update=Not finished. The results now are now what the results are going to be permanently.
      And this worries me for a different reason entirely.

      I'm sitting here doing keyword research and checking the competition. Every time I examine the results pages I'm asking myself how skewed they are. When will they be where they are going stay? How long should I wait before I can safely assume the update is done?? AHHH! I'm making myself insane here this morning.

      Seeing as how some of my sites are still bouncing around -- one of my keywords has come back from oblivion to page 2, not page 1 where it was for the last few years, but I'm not giving up hope -- I'll wait and see.

      Or should I just move ahead? Should I stay or should I go??

      I'm going to get myself another coffee.
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      • Profile picture of the author bangzenk
        Originally Posted by Elle Holder View Post

        Or should I just move ahead? Should I stay or should I go??
        I better go

        previously I was Adsense publisher till they banned my account without acceptable reason. I sells out my blogs on Flippa and the listing ended with the highest bid for 4 digits $.. well, done nothing to lose.. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author freddo
          I own two sites (completely different areas of interest) which ranked well to very well the last several months and have all of a sudden plummeted. And as several folks have noted, the keywords which were used to rank well, are now bringing in (IMHO) total garbage results with crappy websites that aren't even worth rating as "half assed"!
          The Google people better get their head screwed on straight as this 'work in progress' has definitely given them a black eye.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
          Most Google users don't realize that Google is "hiding" many good websites from them. If they knew, they may choose an alternative search engine. And it's only a matter of time before they realize Google is no longer giving the best results.

          When I search, I usually use phrases and long tail keywords. I used to get great results, but now I get forum posts from 2005 or old blog posts with obsolete information. I have seen plenty of sites with malware on the first pages. I think that's wrong.

          As a college student and writer, I probably do at least a 100 searches a day. The poor search results have been very frustrating. I could care less about a site's backlinks. I only care about finding the websites that provide me with good information.

          I feel like my searching is being 'censored.' I hate it when an entity does something to "protect me from myself."

          Google has to realize that some bad backlinks do not make a good site bad.

          I think that Google will have to correct this, especially if they really do hope to provide a better experience for users.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by JeanneLynn View Post

            Google has to realize that some bad backlinks do not make a good site bad.
            That might be true, but so is the opposite. Some bad backlinks do not make a bad site good. Nevertheless, many bad sites were ranking very well before Penguin based on a ton of bad links.

            In many SERPs, if you could outspam your competition, you won.
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    • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
      Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post

      Update=Not finished. The results now are now what the results are going to be permanently.

      But of course, the people who would rather just whine than build a business don't want to hear this :rolleyes:.

      ok and when google has finished the update and no longer offers an inferior product we can talk about it, but until then the OP is 100% correct their results are garbage.

      BTW isnt complaining about people discussing well documented issues whining also?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    So based on your ONE website, and ONE search result, the entire update is a failure?

    These kind of unfounded claims (and it is far from just you) do nothing to help anyone in the community. If there really is garbage ranking, post examples. Let others see. Maybe they can be analyzed, and people can find some reasons behind it, things that can be used and duplicated for the success of others.

    On a side note, there has always been garbage ranking in the SERPs. That is nothing new. It was that way long before Penguin. If you want to determine whether or not Penguin was a success or failure, you would really need to analyze if there is more or less garbage ranking than before Penguin. None of us have access to enough data to really say that with any certainty.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    I'm rather disappointed in the responses and I'm not wasting my time getting into the drawn-out traditional arguments that seem to pop up in every thread in the warrior forum.

    To Joe:

    "Update is not finished" - Ok, I've observed google updates in the past and I have never seen the total tanking of legitimate websites on a massive scale only to be replaced by lower quality websites and compromised sites (this would be a 1st), not saying it hasn't happened, but this has been across the board.

    "People would rather whine then post a business" - I'm not sure if that response is aimed at myself and others, but I am actually building a business, friend. Just because someone brings up a serious issue in the SERPs does not mean they are whining. I've seen enough threads where this is the same response by a few, and I have to say its quite arrogant. There is nothing wrong with open discussion nor pointing out the grave fallacies of this update.

    To Mike Friedman: I never said my conclusion was based on one web search or one keyword, I simply highlighted a niche I have been watching for over a year and I am very knowledgable in.

    "If there is really garbage ranking, post results"

    Sorry buddy, I'm not about to reveal all my keywords for my different sites where I am witnessing this happen. This is not about PROVING to you anything, this thread is about discussion of the results, and I'm seeing more and more compomised websites with viruses, poor content, grammar errors/spellign errors galore across many results.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      To Mike Friedman: I never said my conclusion was based on one web search or one keyword, I simply highlighted a niche I have been watching for over a year and I am very knowledgable in.

      "If there is really garbage ranking, post results"

      Sorry buddy, I'm not about to reveal all my keywords for my different sites where I am witnessing this happen. This is not about PROVING to you anything, this thread is about discussion of the results, and I'm seeing more and more compomised websites with viruses, poor content, grammar errors/spellign errors galore across many results.
      I never suggested posting your website or keywords. I just said post some examples of things you are seeing that validates that "the penguin update has to be the biggest failure in quality results I've ever seen."

      People said the same thing after Florida, Big Daddy, Caffeine, Panda, etc.

      If we look at specific examples across the SERPs, people may find some rhyme or reason behind what is going on.

      If all you want to do is point out that your niche got hit... well there are plenty of threads of that sort already started. There is nothing to be gained by simply adding another to the forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Many of the major product queries are also looking like strip malls. Most of the "mom and pop" sites are nowhere to be found and more of the big boys are moving to the 1st page.
        Just playing devil's advocate with this statement...

        Forget about IM. Pretend you had no idea what internet marketing really was. That is about 99.99999% of Google's users.

        If the "big boys" are showing up more and more in major product queries, is that a bad thing for search users? Generally there is a reason that they are the "big boys". People have made the decision to do a lot of their shopping through them, either online or offline. People trust them.

        As a search user, if I am searching for information about the latest Samsung 3D Plasma HDTV, do I want to see the opinion of some little blogger I have never heard of, or would I rather see what Cnet, Best Buy, etc had to say about the product?

        I think most users are going to trust the "big boys" more, than a little site they have never heard of. So for product searches, I completely understand these results. It may seem unfair to IM'ers, but there is no reason for Google, or any other search engine for that matter, to be fair to IM'ers.
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        • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Just playing devil's advocate with this statement...

          Forget about IM. Pretend you had no idea what internet marketing really was. That is about 99.99999% of Google's users.

          If the "big boys" are showing up more and more in major product queries, is that a bad thing for search users? Generally there is a reason that they are the "big boys". People have made the decision to do a lot of their shopping through them, either online or offline. People trust them.

          As a search user, if I am searching for information about the latest Samsung 3D Plasma HDTV, do I want to see the opinion of some little blogger I have never heard of, or would I rather see what Cnet, Best Buy, etc had to say about the product?

          I think most users are going to trust the "big boys" more, than a little site they have never heard of. So for product searches, I completely understand these results. It may seem unfair to IM'ers, but there is no reason for Google, or any other search engine for that matter, to be fair to IM'ers.
          Funny you mention that because that was more of an observation then a knock. Having big brands come up first is probably what people would rather see, so from a search stand point thats pretty good. Its just sad to see the internet turning into everything else. If you have a ton of money you can own the SERP results. The internet was one of the last places were mom and pop businesses could really thrive.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

            Funny you mention that because that was more of an observation then a knock. Having big brands come up first is probably what people would rather see, so from a search stand point thats pretty good. Its just sad to see the internet turning into everything else. If you have a ton of money you can own the SERP results. The internet was one of the last places were mom and pop businesses could really thrive.

            I think the mom and pop businesses can still compete very well locally. They are not going to outrank one of the big companies nationally for any super competitive product without spending some serious cash, but local SEO is still thriving.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      I'm rather disappointed in the responses and I'm not wasting my time getting into the drawn-out traditional arguments that seem to pop up in every thread in the warrior forum.
      Oh, well that's nice.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      To Joe:
      Oh wait, so we are doing the traditional back and forth that you just said you wouldn't in the last sentence? Cool beans. Let's do this thing.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      "Update is not finished" - Ok, I've observed google updates in the past and I have never seen the total tanking of legitimate websites on a massive scale only to be replaced by lower quality websites and compromised sites (this would be a 1st), not saying it hasn't happened, but this has been across the board.
      I've observed multiple Google updates as well. The rankings fluctuate and are far from ideal for a couple of weeks at least before things settle down.

      You are basing "the total tanking of legitimate websites on a massive scale" on nothing more than one website and one keyword ranking that dropped. What's more, it is your website. So maybe you think it is legitimate. Doesn't mean it is though. So forgive if me if I'm calling ignorance and bias here.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      "People would rather whine then post a business" - I'm not sure if that response is aimed at myself and others, but I am actually building a business, friend. Just because someone brings up a serious issue in the SERPs does not mean they are whining. I've seen enough threads where this is the same response by a few, and I have to say its quite arrogant. There is nothing wrong with open discussion nor pointing out the grave fallacies of this update.
      Aimed at you and the collective groups who have been screaming like banshees since the update rolled out. I've yet to see one person clarify "serious issues in the SERPs" with anything more than "Well...my website got hit so it must be bad!"

      As the other poster in this thread said, until people start showing objective (meaning not your website) cases where things are completely f***ed, no one is going to take you seriously.

      I'll also point out that the average Google user has yet to make a peep about "devastated results", it's only been IMers who have had their sites hit. So, take that for what it is worth.

      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

      I don't think this update is nearly as bad as portrayed. Mostly just a lot of upset "SEOs" that don't know how to SEO who were rocked in this update.
      At the end of the day, this is what this update is really about. Mike hit the nail on the head. It's just a bunch of people who thought they were doing SEO learning that they weren't at all. Sucks for them; but it's been a little over a week already and we are tired of hearing them whine about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author BLQu
        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post


        I'll also point out that the average Google user has yet to make a peep about "devastated results", it's only been IMers who have had their sites hit. So, take that for what it is worth.
        it.
        This statement is completely false! Just go to the Google Webmaster Central Help Forum and see yourself!


        Originally Posted by Joe Robinson View Post


        At the end of the day, this is what this update is really about. Mike hit the nail on the head. It's just a bunch of people who thought they were doing SEO learning that they weren't at all. Sucks for them; but it's been a little over a week already and we are tired of hearing them whine about it.

        Right, we are all tired of hearing Google is a great search engine :p
        Bing is much better now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by BLQu View Post

          This statement is completely false! Just go to the Google Webmaster Central Help Forum and see yourself!
          You mean where IMers are complaining? Because that is what I'm observing in all of those comment sections: a bunch of marketers (many in broken/poor English, even those from native English countries) crying about their sites getting shut down.

          Not much from average Google users at all.


          Originally Posted by BLQu View Post

          Right, we are all tired of hearing Google is a great search engine :p
          Bing is much better now.
          Well if that is how you feel, stop creating threads whining about Google (I've seen at least one from you today) stop posting in threads about Google, and go play with Bing. You're clogging the forum with crap.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by Complex View Post

              Of course all you are seeing is comments from IMers. It's called Google Webmaster Central.
              This is the exact point I was making :rolleyes:. The other poster was claiming that average everyday Google users who know nothing about IM were in there whining and griping about algorithm updates and their SERPs. It simply just isn't true.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Ive actually been really surprised at how bad this update has been. I figured it would have been tweaked by now. The results really are not as relevant as they have been. Rather then retype the whole thing here is snippet of a post I wrote.

    This is the first Google algorithm update that I've really felt from a user standpoint. As an SEO guy I have seen the massive affects of Google's previous algorithm updates, but as a user I didn't really notice much of a difference. This time around though I am not getting back the same quality of results I previously had. Im finding many of my searches are being returned with irrelevant results as well as secondary pages rather then homepages being returned. For example I searched the query "Free iPads" which was a heavily spammed keyword term and found a URL who's "about" page was ranking ahead of the homepage which obviously was not meant to be that way by the websites creator.

    Although its still early and Google never stops tweaking, it just seems pretty obvious that Google may have rushed this update out. I also think Google has been a bit over ambitious with this update as well.

    Rather then clean up the obvious SERP garbage with a scalpel like they've done in the past, Google is going after the SERP results with a sledgehammer and making no apologies for the potential thousands of innocent victims caught in Penguin's wake.

    Google is being very strict when examining backlink profiles and they aren't tip toeing around punishing these sites. Google is handing out massive penalties for sites that they feel are violating their quality guidelines regardless of the sites quality. For example as of writing this, if you search the service "Linklicious" their homepage does not show up. Is this a quality search result?... No, but Google has decided that penalizing sites they feel are in violation is more important then returning accurate results. Google has decided to be a disciplinarian first and foremost and an accurate search engine 2nd.

    Many of the major product queries are also looking like strip malls. Most of the "mom and pop" sites are nowhere to be found and more of the big boys are moving to the 1st page. Sites like Amazon, Wikipedia, BestBuy ect... are really benefiting from our cute Penguin friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    A LOT of the results are pretty terrible. It's definitely not just one.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    dp40oz's post is dead on, but hey then again isn't that whining?
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  • Profile picture of the author zaco
    Why does Google need to please you with their results? it is their search engine and they do whatever they want with it, even if they wanted to show porn results at the top 10 !

    You want to benefit from their free services and yet you want the things to go your way? I am not on Google's side and I know some of the results are crap but at the end of the day we cannot complain since its their product and if they don't maintain it then they will lose their customers.

    I bet If your site was not hit by the penguin or you saw crap results showing up but you are ranking then you wouldn't even care...as I have always said if you don't like Google then don't use them, stop crying
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    • Profile picture of the author Dellco
      Originally Posted by zaco View Post


      I bet If your site was not hit by the penguin or you saw crap results showing up but you are ranking then you wouldn't even care...as I have always said if you don't like Google then don't use them, stop crying
      For me anyway, I would care even if I wasn't hit. This update makes me realize that relying on Google traffic is like building a house on quicksand; you never know when it's going to disappear.

      That said, almost everyone with multiple sites was impacted, at least for some of their sites. Very few went unscathed.

      That is the difference this time compared with all the other updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
      Originally Posted by zaco View Post

      Why does Google need to please you with their results? it is their search engine and they do whatever they want with it, even if they wanted to show porn results at the top 10 !

      You want to benefit from their free services and yet you want the things to go your way? I am not on Google's side and I know some of the results are crap but at the end of the day we cannot complain since its their product and if they don't maintain it then they will lose their customers.

      I bet If your site was not hit by the penguin or you saw crap results showing up but you are ranking then you wouldn't even care...as I have always said if you don't like Google then don't use them, stop crying
      saying their results are garbage when this is a well documented issue is not saying that he needs to be pleased

      Google service is NOT free they consume boith content and bandwidth both of which the op pays for, in return they send traffic this is an excange and definately not free.

      I lost a whopping 3% of my income which i made up already elsewhere and i am flat out saying their results are garbage

      Some people just cannot admt that google is fallable, we call them fanboys
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        • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
          Originally Posted by Chronic IM View Post

          i agree with you

          thank you.

          it honestly amazes me that there are people in this business that feel somehow we have an obligation to google and need to bow down
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      • Profile picture of the author zaco
        Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

        saying their results are garbage when this is a well documented issue is not saying that he needs to be pleased

        Google service is NOT free they consume boith content and bandwidth both of which the op pays for, in return they send traffic this is an excange and definately not free.

        I lost a whopping 3% of my income which i made up already elsewhere and i am flat out saying their results are garbage

        Some people just cannot admt that google is fallable, we call them fanboys
        Is not about "fanboys" I don't like Google's approach in many ways but at least I am honest with my self, you are saying that the OP provides them with content, well guess what too bad! without them the OP will has his content on his site for 10 years and nobody will see it if he depends on search engines, he needs Google and that's the reason why he is crying

        Google doesn't need him as you can see and they replaced his website by other sites so too bad! this is reality..stop acting victimized and move on

        You are crying cuze you lost 3% so if Google needs you then why did they derank you Mr Google wants me? LOL.. Google doesn't need you.. they have 1000000 people like you begging them to index their content, everybody wants Google to index their content , People are paying for SEO to rank! People will spend thousands on creating content to index it in Google.. Wake up!!!! you have got it wrong this time
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        • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
          Originally Posted by zaco View Post

          Is not about "fanboys" I don't like Google's approach in many ways but at least I am honest with my self, you are saying that the OP provides them with content, well guess what too bad! without them the OP will has his content on his site for 10 years and nobody will see it if he depends on search engines, he needs Google and that's the reason why he is crying

          Google doesn't need him as you can see and they replaced his website by other sites so too bad! this is reality..stop acting victimized and move on

          You are crying cuze you lost 3% so if Google needs you then why did they derank you Mr Google wants me? LOL.. Google doesn't need you.. they have 1000000 people like you begging them to index their content, everybody wants Google to index their content so you have got it wrong this time

          first off i pointed out that op provided content to refute the argument that google is free which it does unquestionably.

          your right google doennt need him, no show me where anyone says they do, or show me where somehow that relates tot he fact that their results are garbage

          I am crying? really i said i moved on and replaced my income in other ways how is that crying?

          The only people who think people talking about google changes is crying are fanboys and the fanboys are the only ones who are doing the actual crying

          Is the school district who syas googles results are garbage crying? are the numerous other people documenting garbage results across the internet crying? or is it jus the fanboys having their feelings hurt?


          I know you are emotionally tied to google but you need to realize their accomplishments are not yours, you are not part of google just a pathetic hanger-on fanboy.

          I know google doesnt need me and guess what i dont need google but neither of our relationships are free. I whore out googles searchers and they whore out my content plain and simple.

          If you feel you need to get on your knees for google go ahead but dont complain when the rest of us dont.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by dracoboar View Post

            Is the school district who syas googles results are garbage crying? are the numerous other people documenting garbage results across the internet crying? or is it jus the fanboys
            That post was sarcasm. No school district has done that.
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            • Profile picture of the author dracoboar
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              That post was sarcasm. No school district has done that.
              damn sarcasm on the internet!!! dont people know we cant hear their voice!!!

              LOL
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              That post was sarcasm. No school district has done that.
              LOL, it was probably some school that MS built a new library for.

              No strings attached, honest, ha, ha.

              [j/k]
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    I don't think this update is nearly as bad as portrayed. Mostly just a lot of upset "SEOs" that don't know how to SEO who were rocked in this update.
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  • Profile picture of the author wadboram
    I miss the old days from about 10 years ago where the search engines shares where distributed evenly between the 3 big companies and no one at that time have heared about the ZOO and its funny animals like Panda, Penguin and Donkey.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I really hope they get it straightened out.
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  • Profile picture of the author three marketeers
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    it seems like google is no longer useful for discovering actual information. the only thing that sows up or that it is good for is finding illegal/blackhat downloads. pirated mp3's to movies, google's got it on page one.
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  • Profile picture of the author RatRaceWatch
    Well the trolls have arrived in the thread, sorry for them they aren't going to get the bait for the ridiculous fights they want until they act like sensible people, I've seen that trash in too many other threads, and frankly I'm sick of it.

    JeanneLynn was 100% right (read the post above), most google users won't be aware that many great sites are buried or nowhere to be found.

    As for this update, I've never seen so many compromised (malware) websites and its a damn shame google can let this slide.

    I was talking to a friend im starting a business with and we couldn't grasp other than for higher profit motives why google doesn't have an open customer service department that truly connects with the webmasters so we can work together to build good results.

    Other than the push for more PPC, I see no reason to close the blinds on people, give them little forms to fill out, and when u get the info to them, nothing changes! I've reported websites months ago that were absolute garbage or doing shady things and they are still floating around out there in higher results.

    I'm curious who else has found compromised websites and sites with viruses on them when they do searches on the first few pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      Well the trolls have arrived in the thread, sorry for them they aren't going to get the bait for the ridiculous fights they want until they act like sensible people, I've seen that trash in too many other threads, and frankly I'm sick of it.
      Just because someone disagrees with your premise does not make them a troll.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      As for this update, I've never seen so many compromised (malware) websites and its a damn shame google can let this slide.
      But still no examples to back this up.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      I was talking to a friend im starting a business with and we couldn't grasp other than for higher profit motives why google doesn't have an open customer service department that truly connects with the webmasters so we can work together to build good results.

      Other than the push for more PPC, I see no reason to close the blinds on people, give them little forms to fill out, and when u get the info to them, nothing changes! I've reported websites months ago that were absolute garbage or doing shady things and they are still floating around out there in higher results.
      Google is never going to have a 100% open line of communication with webmasters about building good results. It's their business. They do not need our input. Plus, they are not going to want to give away too many ranking secrets. That just opens the doors even more for people to find ways to manipulate the rankings.

      Google is a business, plain and simple. I cannot even imagine how many people fill out those "little forms" and submit them on a daily basis. To be honest, it would probably be unwise for them to hire enough staff to track down every little complaint about sites. It would cost far too much. So for the most part, I would imagine they devote their staff to tracking down the big ones that matter most.

      And the problem with everyone's conspiracy theories about pushing people to PPC is that for every site that drops in rankings, other sites take their place. Who is to say that a site that moves up and now has a very favorable ranking wasn't an existing AdWords customer that previously struggled to get good rankings but now decides they are getting enough free traffic that they do not need to continue paying for ads? So if Google wanted to manipulate the rankings as you say in order to push for more people to spend on PPC, wouldn't they stand to potentially lose as many AdWords clients as they gain?

      The majority of people that lost rankings were internet marketers, and not offline physical businesses. Let's be honest. Most internet marketers are notoriously cheap. They do not want to spend money on building a business. That is what attracts many of them to internet marketing in the first place. They hear all these promises of making heaps of cash with out having to spend a dime. I do not think they are all going to go running towards AdWords now.

      Originally Posted by RatRaceWatch View Post

      I'm curious who else has found compromised websites and sites with viruses on them when they do searches on the first few pages.
      Me too because I cannot find any.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnnyflex
    for many of you who still believes in google quality work, try defending this keyword

    "BUY NEW PANTS"

    now, all of the top results in there are all crappy. the #1 is even a blog with the title "buy new pants" but nowhere you can see a PANTS. the rest are all QA sites with crappy content. NOW ENJOY your google!!!

    By the way, dont tell me about "ITS Just 1 keyword" BS, because i have seen so many KW that has crappy and not so very useful results!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author tylerherman
      How about build a business that doesn't rely 100% on Google traffic and maybe you wont have to come here and cry every time there is an algorithm update.

      I feel dumber for reading this.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by johnnyflex View Post

      for many of you who still believes in google quality work, try defending this keyword

      "BUY NEW PANTS"

      now, all of the top results in there are all crappy. the #1 is even a blog with the title "buy new pants" but nowhere you can see a PANTS. the rest are all QA sites with crappy content. NOW ENJOY your google!!!

      By the way, dont tell me about "ITS Just 1 keyword" BS, because i have seen so many KW that has crappy and not so very useful results!!!
      Finally someone with an actual example and not just crying about their own site. Thank you for that.

      I would agree that the results in that search are not particularly helpful. One thing I would point out though is that "buy new pants" receives less than 10 searches a month globally, therefore I highly doubt anyone is really trying to optimize their sites or pages to receive traffic from that keyword.

      I'm not saying that to justify the results. However, most of the pages in the results have 0 links pointing at them, and although how links are viewed may have changed, links are still the overriding factor for rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    One key to succeeding in running a business online is to lose the sense of entitlement. Google doesn't owe anyone anything. They have built themselves up over the years because they offer a service that is 'good enough' for the majority of people. If the majority decides that to be true, they'll leave and Google will have a problem.

    Upsetting some self-serving internet marketers is no big problem for them in the grand scheme of things. Find other ways to drive traffic and sales, and quit pretending that Google controls the internet. They control YOU, but not the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jose A
    Hi folks, I registered here after typing "google results are total garbage" in google's search box and found this thread! Obviously I am not the only one reaching the same conclusion.

    I agree with Rat Race Watch google search results are fundamentally, garbage. In other words, non-sensical. I'm getting more productive results with Bing.

    it's unproductive and a total waste of my time to search for anything on google, all you get is (anybody guessed?) thousands of pages of garbage. I removed google as my start page, (they love to think of themselves as everybody's "Home Page").

    And does anybody remember the purpose of computing was productivity?? Obviously google doesn't remember THAT.
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