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Question About Web 2.0 Properties

by GGpaul
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Hey everyone, so I know that there are people out there that sign up to a couple of web 2.0 properties (popular ones: tumblr, xanga, wordpress, etc. etc.) where they create content, and they have a backlink by using some type of anchor text that goes back to their site right?

Alright so what I want to know is....what do you do after you create the content and backlink to your $$ site? Do you backlink the web 2.0/backlink? Or after you created that content, you just let it sit and work its magic?

If you do backlink the backlink (the web 2.0's), how do you do that? Do you have a web 2.0 where you create content again, that leads to another web 2.0 which then leads to the money site? Basically creating more than 2 tiers? OR do you buy some fiverr gigs/use automated and give link juice of some sort to the web 2.0 properties?

Hopefully that makes sense. Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author dp40oz
    Ahhh the complexities of the link pyramid. There's tons of ways to do it, just don't over think it. Make your tier 1 web 2.0 quality. Then link the cr@p out of it. I usually back it up with my huge web 2.0 network, plus blog comments and forum profiles from Drip Feed Links. Just throw whatever you got at them.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

      Ahhh the complexities of the link pyramid. There's tons of ways to do it, just don't over think it. Make your tier 1 web 2.0 quality. Then link the cr@p out of it. I usually back it up with my huge web 2.0 network, plus blog comments and forum profiles from Drip Feed Links. Just throw whatever you got at them.
      Yeah I'm in that "over-thinking" mode right now which isn't good. I think being in the forums for too long with everyone's own opinion is slowing me down.

      Hmmmm I was thinking of writing "high quality" content (nothing spun) for the web 2.0's that lead to the site.

      Then perhaps use Magic Submitter? And use that to link to the web 2.0's with spun content. $4.95 for the first month worth a try I guess!
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by motorbikestore View Post

      Without spinning content it is very difficult to make big circle of web 2.0 properties.After penguin update i stop that technique..
      Then what technique are you doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Albas
      Originally Posted by motorbikestore View Post

      Without spinning content it is very difficult to make big circle of web 2.0 properties.After penguin update i stop that technique..
      If you spin articles then Google easily judge you. You are trying to fool Google. The best option is to write unique and fresh articles for website or blog
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    • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
      Spinning is time consuming in itself. Take something news worthy in your niche, summarize it and then add your own take on the subject.

      Just add backlinks to your web 2.0 articles. You know how to generate backlinks already. Any backlink is a good backlink. They add up quickly. Take your link and put it where people will see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author minisite
    You really don't have to use spin contents on these web 2.0 properties. Just write unique contents even if it takes longer because your website will eventually benefit from it in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by minisite View Post

      You really don't have to use spin contents on these web 2.0 properties. Just write unique contents even if it takes longer because your website will eventually benefit from it in the long run.
      Okay for web 2.0 properties I'm writing them in UNIQUE content. But what I'm asking is do I have to write unique content for the next tier to backlink the backlink (web 2.0). Or can I just do spun content? I want to know how people backlink their backlinks. OR do they EVEN backlink their web 2.0 that goes to their money site?
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  • Profile picture of the author goodboy21
    I just make back links manualy and they work very well for seo
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  • Profile picture of the author goodboy21
    I just make back links manually and they work very well for seo
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Hmmm...I hope someone will really answer this question.

    The MAIN question is if they use softwares/blast backlinks to the web 2.0 (NOT the money site). Or if they do NOTHING at all after they created unique content to the web 2.0?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Hmmm...I hope someone will really answer this question.

      The MAIN question is if they use softwares/blast backlinks to the web 2.0 (NOT the money site). Or if they do NOTHING at all after they created unique content to the web 2.0?
      Usually they build links to the Web 2.0. Those pages (like all pages) will weak without additional links. They link to them to strengthen that page so it passes more link juice to the 'money site.'
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        Usually they build links to the Web 2.0. Those pages (like all pages) will weak without additional links. They link to them to strengthen that page so it passes more link juice to the 'money site.'
        Right. And when they do build links to the web 2.0, are they just writing original content to other web 2.0s that lead to that site? Or do they just buy links from fiverr and blast s*** to that 2.0? Blog commenting? Softwares?

        Or you can do a little bit of everything to strengthen the web 2.0 backlinks?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          Right. And when they do build links to the web 2.0, are they just writing original content to other web 2.0s that lead to that site? Or do they just buy links from fiverr and blast s*** to that 2.0? Blog commenting? Softwares?

          Or you can do a little bit of everything to strengthen the web 2.0 backlinks?
          You shouldnt blast 1000's of crappy links to a web2.0, those links not only hurt moneysites, they also hurt the web2.0s. But you can be a bit more aggresive then when pointing it directly at your site.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            You shouldnt blast 1000's of crappy links to a web2.0, those links not only hurt moneysites, they also hurt the web2.0s. But you can be a bit more aggresive then when pointing it directly at your site.
            As of now, writing content on these web 2.0 properties NOT spinning, takes a lot of time. I don't know how time efficient/effective that can be by doing the same exact thing to the next tier of links for the web 2.0.

            You mention "a bit more aggressive", how would you go about with that?
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

              As of now, writing content on these web 2.0 properties NOT spinning, takes a lot of time. I don't know how time efficient/effective that can be by doing the same exact thing to the next tier of links for the web 2.0.

              You mention "a bit more aggressive", how would you go about with that?
              You don't need to write unique content for every single web2.0, not even when they are in tier 1. You can easily use the same piece of content for 20 different web2.0s if you like and the link will really not get that much less value, and it has nothing to do with gaming Google either, it's normal that a business uses blogs to promote his business imo.

              I would send bookmarks, forumposts, all type of links to the web2.0s in normal proportions, the links you wouldn't normally all direct to your money site. Some people blast 50 web2.0's with 50.000 scrapebox comments, that's the wrong way imo, just keep it at max 50 comments per web2.0, max 50 forumposts, and so on.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                You don't need to write unique content for every single web2.0, not even when they are in tier 1. You can easily use the same piece of content for 20 different web2.0s if you like and the link will really not get that much less value, and it has nothing to do with gaming Google either, it's normal that a business uses blogs to promote his business imo.

                I would send bookmarks, forumposts, all type of links to the web2.0s in normal proportions, the links you wouldn't normally all direct to your money site. Some people blast 50 web2.0's with 50.000 scrapebox comments, that's the wrong way imo, just keep it at max 50 comments per web2.0, max 50 forumposts, and so on.
                Wait.

                Are you saying syndicated content is just as effective as using unique content?
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                  Wait.

                  Are you saying syndicated content is just as effective as using unique content?
                  Yes it won't make much of a difference when you use it 10-20 times, now it's a different story when you plan to reuse the same piece of content hundreds of times ofcourse.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Yes it won't make much of a difference when you use it 10-20 times, now it's a different story when you plan to reuse the same piece of content hundreds of times ofcourse.
                    I'll just laugh at that one.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

                      I'll just laugh at that one.
                      Be my guest, I tested it quiet a few times. Made no difference. (let me correct: No considerable difference)

                      Reason I create huge spin articles and use that instead is cause it's insane LSI keyword rich so that they rank insane well on their. I mean it's hard to write an article in such way (especially for cheap writesr) so thats why we chose for high quality spin 1000+ word content created out of 15+ articles and we get awesome results with it. One of the blogs ranks at #18 for a 22k exact kw in the finance niche after we builded tiered links to it. I was pretty impressed by it tbh.

                      In fact I was a bit doubting whether I would go for 1 piece of original content and use that on 10-20 sites or go for this huge spun thing, then after seeing the results with the huge spun I decided to go with that one.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
                        Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                        Isn't this whole web 2.0 thing going to die a death soon, if it hasn't already?

                        Even mixing up the anchor text etc., won't Panda 2 or Possom 3 or whatever it is google will roll out, cause yet more penalties to be implemented?

                        Can anyone honestly say that creating lots of web 2.0's looks natural?

                        Web 2.0 creators, what do you think about this?
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                        • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
                          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                          Isn't this whole web 2.0 thing going to die a death soon, if it hasn't already?

                          Even mixing up the anchor text etc., won't Panda 2 or Possom 3 or whatever it is google will roll out, cause yet more penalties to be implemented?

                          Can anyone honestly say that creating lots of web 2.0's looks natural?
                          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                          Web 2.0 creators, what do you think about this?
                          Who saying to you create web2.0 accounts daily to post 1 article for one money site, i usually submit 10/20 articles on 1 account. with one article web2.0 site may be looks unnatural to google, but not 10/20.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Be my guest, I tested it quiet a few times. Made no difference. (let me correct: No considerable difference)

                        Reason I create huge spin articles and use that instead is cause it's insane LSI keyword rich so that they rank insane well on their. I mean it's hard to write an article in such way (especially for cheap writesr) so thats why we chose for high quality spin 1000+ word content created out of 15+ articles and we get awesome results with it. One of the blogs ranks at #18 for a 22k exact kw in the finance niche after we builded tiered links to it. I was pretty impressed by it tbh.

                        In fact I was a bit doubting whether I would go for 1 piece of original content and use that on 10-20 sites or go for this huge spun thing, then after seeing the results with the huge spun I decided to go with that one.
                        Spinning articles just for LSI benefits is a weak reason. Why not just use LSI keywords throughout unique content?

                        Also, your "results" are in direct conflict of mine and the entire premise of rel=author.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    My sig answers your questions and details something that works when utilizing web 2.0.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Mike Grant View Post

      My sig answers your questions and details something that works when utilizing web 2.0.
      Interesting. However, I feel like Magic Submitter may come in handy as LONG as it is used properly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
        Originally Posted by dp40oz View Post

        Ahhh the complexities of the link pyramid. There's tons of ways to do it, just don't over think it. Make your tier 1 web 2.0 quality. Then link the cr@p out of it. I usually back it up with my huge web 2.0 network, plus blog comments and forum profiles from Drip Feed Links. Just throw whatever you got at them.


        Isn't this whole web 2.0 thing going to die a death soon, if it hasn't already?

        Even mixing up the anchor text etc., won't Panda 2 or Possom 3 or whatever it is google will roll out, cause yet more penalties to be implemented?

        Can anyone honestly say that creating lots of web 2.0's looks natural?
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  • Profile picture of the author DeMango25
    I usually become "a bit more agressive" with every tier I build.

    Basic but pretty effective link pyramid example would be:

    1st tier manual high quality web 2.0 (about 10 if you have the time)

    2nd tier article submission with AMR pointing to web 2.0 (a bit more aggressive, so spun content and a minimum of 200 live links)

    3rd tier blast article submissions with forum profiles, blog comments (uber aggressive) and then wrap it up by social bookmarking all the live article links and web 2.0 pages...
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by DeMango25 View Post

      I usually become "a bit more agressive" with every tier I build.

      Basic but pretty effective link pyramid example would be:

      1st tier manual high quality web 2.0 (about 10 if you have the time)

      2nd tier article submission with AMR pointing to web 2.0 (a bit more aggressive, so spun content and a minimum of 200 live links)

      3rd tier blast article submissions with forum profiles, blog comments (uber aggressive) and then wrap it up by social bookmarking all the live article links and web 2.0 pages...
      Thanks for the reply. So far that's what I'm doing with my 1st tier.

      I'm just confused as f*** with the 2nd tier and 3rd tier. I'm trying to map out my strategy on what to do there.
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      • Profile picture of the author DeMango25
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Thanks for the reply. So far that's what I'm doing with my 1st tier.

        I'm just confused as f*** with the 2nd tier and 3rd tier. I'm trying to map out my strategy on what to do there.

        Do you mean you're confused about what software to do it with or confused about the general structure?
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by DeMango25 View Post

          Do you mean you're confused about what software to do it with or confused about the general structure?
          I know there's tiers. It's just what EXACTLY am I going to do for the 2nd tier.
          Your suggestion helped out. But I'm still figuring out what will work best for me.

          That's why I'm thinking about using magic submitter for the second tier.
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Thanks for the reply. So far that's what I'm doing with my 1st tier.

        I'm just confused as f*** with the 2nd tier and 3rd tier. I'm trying to map out my strategy on what to do there.
        The further you get from Tier 1, the lower the quality of the content can be. Spin garbage into Tier 2. Make Tier 2 decent. Tier 1 must be excellent.
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        • Profile picture of the author DeMango25
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          The further you get from Tier 1, the lower the quality of the content can be. Spin garbage into Tier 2. Make Tier 2 decent. Tier 1 must be excellent.
          Yep, that's about it
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          • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
            How long should you have to wait to see results in the SERPs with this (assuming competition is not so stiff)?
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        • Profile picture of the author rizoalbert
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          The further you get from Tier 1, the lower the quality of the content can be. Spin garbage into Tier 2. Make Tier 2 decent. Tier 1 must be excellent.
          This is what you want.Make your articles unique.It'll be not to use spun version.
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      • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Thanks for the reply. So far that's what I'm doing with my 1st tier.

        I'm just confused as f*** with the 2nd tier and 3rd tier. I'm trying to map out my strategy on what to do there.
        Anything beyond the second tier is a total waste of time and effort. Just build high quality links, then build links to those thinks. If you want to use a third tier, then sign up for backlinksindexer.com and point their services are your third tier.

        The point is to not have a bunch of dead end links pointing to your money site. Focus your time on the quality of links to your money site, then figure out a cheap and dirty way to send some links to those links. That's really what you should be focused on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
          Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

          Anything beyond the second tier is a total waste of time and effort. Just build high quality links, then build links to those thinks. If you want to use a third tier, then sign up for backlinksindexer.com and point their services are your third tier.

          The point is to not have a bunch of dead end links pointing to your money site. Focus your time on the quality of links to your money site, then figure out a cheap and dirty way to send some links to those links. That's really what you should be focused on.

          How long will this last before google "corrects" it?
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          • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
            Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

            How long will this last before google "corrects" it?
            Just imagine Google looking over us all like GOD, they stomp on BMR after picking up a few sites they hate using it and watch thousands of internet marketers scuttling towards ALN like tiny ants, so they stomp on that too..

            and now they are watching to see where you're scuttling to next, senukeX, MS, or whatever, it's easier for them just to take a system the majority of people are enjoying top rankings with and just flatten them one by one. The people who think they have escaped may get hit sooner than they think.

            That's why automated tools are a bad idea, they leave a footprint that they can classify very easily. If you go for just senukeX links or high pr profile links or private blog networks then your playing Russian Roulette..

            I think over the next year or so they will be knocking out alot of sneaky link building so you need to mix it up alot and actually get some genuine backlinks what nobody else will have...
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            • Profile picture of the author habibj
              Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

              Just imagine Google looking over us all like GOD, they stomp on BMR after picking up a few sites they hate using it and watch thousands of internet marketers scuttling towards ALN like tiny ants, so they stomp on that too..

              and now they are watching to see where you're scuttling to next, senukeX, MS, or whatever, it's easier for them just to take a system the majority of people are enjoying top rankings with and just flatten them one by one. The people who think they have escaped may get hit sooner than they think.

              That's why automated tools are a bad idea, they leave a footprint that they can classify very easily. If you go for just senukeX links or high pr profile links or private blog networks then your playing Russian Roulette..

              I think over the next year or so they will be knocking out alot of sneaky link building so you need to mix it up alot and actually get some genuine backlinks what nobody else will have...
              I like your comment and I think here in lies the problem moving forward with how easy it would be in the future to use atk seo with these spammy services.
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          • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
            Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

            How long will this last before google "corrects" it?
            There will always be other ways to accomplish the same thing. Google is going about SEO all the wrong way...its like America fighting the war on drugs by stamping out drug lords. A new one pops up almost immediately.

            Google should just embrace SEO and encourage it - instead of fight against it. Google will win every battle, yet still low this war.

            Hmmm, that's all the cliche quotes I have on me this afternoon..
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            • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
              Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

              There will always be other ways to accomplish the same thing. Google is going about SEO all the wrong way...its like America fighting the war on drugs by stamping out drug lords. A new one pops up almost immediately.

              Google should just embrace SEO and encourage it - instead of fight against it. Google will win every battle, yet still low this war.

              Hmmm, that's all the cliche quotes I have on me this afternoon..

              How is google losing the war?

              They have more cash than you or me!
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              • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
                The owner of ALN (Maulana) confirmed today that it was Google employees submitting articles and then deindexing the blogs;

                ALN de-indexation is because of google employees
                manually joining ALN and post tracking articles.
                So it wasn't any fancy crawling or IP mapping but they could do it with web 2.0, if your not careful you can leave a nasty footprint.

                Basically if your tier 1 won't hold up to a manual review then you need to make some improvements if you want to survive long term.

                This is what he said about spun content;

                As long as it is spinned correctly, spun content
                still works really well. There's a lot of talk
                going on about the cause of ALN de-indexation is
                because of spun content, which is not true.
                That's not to say they won't make any plans in the future to tackle spun content, what do you think would do? go for big gains and keep blasting out this stuff across web 2.0 or go better quality?
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              • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
                Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                How is google losing the war?

                They have more cash than you or me!
                So does the American government....yet 20 years of warring against drugs and the drug lords are as powerful as ever.

                Money don't mean sh*t when you strategy to defeat the enemy is bassackwards.
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              • Profile picture of the author onSubie
                Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

                How is google losing the war?

                They have more cash than you or me!
                Their coffers are full, but have you seen the search results lately?

                In a lot of niches they have thrown the baby out with the bath water. I don't just use Google for keyword research, I also use it to find actual information.

                I am seeing a lot more spammy sites in the results that got boosts in the rankings because, although the sites are crap, their backlink strategy was not aggressive or non-existent.

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    • Profile picture of the author digitalreinforcement
      Originally Posted by DeMango25 View Post

      I usually become "a bit more agressive" with every tier I build.

      Basic but pretty effective link pyramid example would be:

      1st tier manual high quality web 2.0 (about 10 if you have the time)

      2nd tier article submission with AMR pointing to web 2.0 (a bit more aggressive, so spun content and a minimum of 200 live links)

      3rd tier blast article submissions with forum profiles, blog comments (uber aggressive) and then wrap it up by social bookmarking all the live article links and web 2.0 pages...
      still a really good way to do your backlinking
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  • Profile picture of the author radivoj
    it works with spin content but you need to spin it manually very careful so content would more appear naturally..
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  • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
    Interesting debate, let'c the results
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Interesting opinions/facts we got from everyone. Great job guys. You're helping me out and others as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Basically what I have done so far is that I have manually submitted to the popular web 2.0's such as tumblr, xanga, posterous, hubpages, squidoo, wordpress.

    All of those pages I have created some type of unique content that has an anchor text linking back to my money site.

    The anchor text consists of all types of varations ex: "click here to find out...., leather seats, leather seats for men, http://leatherseatsx.com, etc.

    And so I've done that portion (tier 1).

    Now Tier 2, where I want to make my web 2.0 properties "Stronger," I'm considering of buying magic submitter and properly send out backlinks to to my web 2.0.

    On top of that, I know that magic submitter already has a bunch of web 2.0 properties...

    With the web 2.0 sites that I have signed up for manually, I plan to make those sites to look more 'natural.' Basically on tumblr I'd follow people, reblog stuff, etc. etc. Make the theme look all fancy. In other words, not make my 2.0 sites look like they're strictly just for backlinks. I might post pictures of funny things; just things that are more interactive.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Is magic submitter still 5 bucks and is that for life or monthy subscription?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
      Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

      Is magic submitter still 5 bucks and is that for life or monthy subscription?
      yes its 5bucks for the first month, then $67/monthly
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      • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
        Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

        yes its 5bucks for the first month, then $67/monthly
        I can't afford 67 bucks so if i just sign up for the month and get backlinks, will they be deleted when subscription is cancelled? (But I might stay with Magic submitter if it starts to help me to earn decent $$$).
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        • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          You're paying $5 for captcha or whatever it is too right?
          $5 for captcha? NO, whole software will cost you 5bucks for the first month.
          btw! i am using deathbycaptcha service in it.

          Originally Posted by wilsonm View Post

          I can't afford 67 bucks so if i just sign up for the month and get backlinks, will they be deleted when subscription is cancelled? (But I might stay with Magic submitter if it starts to help me to earn decent $$$).
          No they can't do that. because that is not in their control to delete created backlinks. i am pretty much sure it will generate money for you if you'll use it wisely.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    You're paying $5 for captcha or whatever it is too right?
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    How many computers can use MS? I plan on having it at home, and one at the office.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Hey TheProgrammer, asides from paying for magic submitter, did you have to get proxies as well? My friend is saying that I need proxies and captcha that ISN'T free. Opinion on that?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Hey TheProgrammer, asides from paying for magic submitter, did you have to get proxies as well? My friend is saying that I need proxies and captcha that ISN'T free. Opinion on that?
      You need both and the price can go very high. Captchas will become very expensive if you use this type of tool all the time. DeathbyCaptcha's website say they are $6.95 per 5K. Think of how quickly you'll burn through that if you're using the program every day.

      Plus you need the VPN or proxy server to hide you true identity. Soon you'll be automating tasks all day.

      It starts to make writing excellent content seem easier
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    • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Hey TheProgrammer, asides from paying for magic submitter, did you have to get proxies as well? My friend is saying that I need proxies and captcha that ISN'T free. Opinion on that?
      Proxies are only required if you are planning to do mass account registration quickly on web2.0 and other sites. i usually register 1 account per day and do the 10/20 content submission on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Damn..That's the thing is that I'm down to write excellent content FOR Tier 1. But it gets a bit exhausting when we do tier 2, and tier 3.......
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Have a lot of people managed to get to first page with web2.0s backlinked by spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
    This thread has more learning benefits and exchange of ideas than the other long one on which warrior you'd choose to do SEO I have some questions for some of you guys:

    Who saying to you create web2.0 accounts daily to post 1 article for one money site, i usually submit 10/20 articles on 1 account. with one article web2.0 site may be looks unnatural to google, but not 10/20.
    TheProgrammer, would you just use each account of these web 2.0 for your one website/niche. Or link say 2 out of the 10/20 articles on one account of web 2.0 to a health niche and then 4 to a finance niche, etc.?

    Also, would you spin articles to post across the different web 2.0s?

    And do you do all this through Magic Submitter or manually for these tier 1 web 2.0s and MS for the Tier 2s/3s?

    TheProgrammer, what's your strategy like since you use MS on 5 computers! Would you like to shared a more detailed strategy that you use using MS?

    You also said:

    Who telling you to do any kind of spam to get first page? you can't achieve anything with negative way. Work wisely to run long term business.
    I'm assuming wilsonm is saying that most people are advocating "spamming" the backlinks to Tier 1. Whether spamming is the right word, most people are saying Tier 1 must be high quality, but this doesn't need to be so much the case for backlinks to Tier 1 (i.e. Tier 2). So in a way that's the question I have also. With people talking about buffer sites, I would assume that Google will catch on to that one day.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Jon Paella View Post

      This thread has more learning benefits and exchange of ideas than the other long one on which warrior you'd choose to do SEO I have some questions for some of you guys:



      TheProgrammer, would you just use each account of these web 2.0 for your one website/niche. Or link say 2 out of the 10/20 articles on one account of web 2.0 to a health niche and then 4 to a finance niche, etc.?

      Also, would you spin articles to post across the different web 2.0s?

      And do you do all this through Magic Submitter or manually for these tier 1 web 2.0s and MS for the Tier 2s/3s?

      TheProgrammer, what's your strategy like since you use MS on 5 computers! Would you like to shared a more detailed strategy that you use using MS?

      You also said:



      I'm assuming wilsonm is saying that most people are advocating "spamming" the backlinks to Tier 1. Whether spamming is the right word, most people are saying Tier 1 must be high quality, but this doesn't need to be so much the case for backlinks to Tier 1 (i.e. Tier 2). So in a way that's the question I have also. With people talking about buffer sites, I would assume that Google will catch on to that one day.
      As far as Magic Submitter, it's highly highly recommended to have the articles spun. I just got this program yesterday and it's EASY to use.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
      Originally Posted by Jon Paella View Post

      This thread has more learning benefits and exchange of ideas than the other long one on which warrior you'd choose to do SEO I have some questions for some of you guys:



      TheProgrammer, would you just use each account of these web 2.0 for your one website/niche. Or link say 2 out of the 10/20 articles on one account of web 2.0 to a health niche and then 4 to a finance niche, etc.?

      Also, would you spin articles to post across the different web 2.0s?

      And do you do all this through Magic Submitter or manually for these tier 1 web 2.0s and MS for the Tier 2s/3s?

      TheProgrammer, what's your strategy like since you use MS on 5 computers! Would you like to shared a more detailed strategy that you use using MS?

      You also said:



      I'm assuming wilsonm is saying that most people are advocating "spamming" the backlinks to Tier 1. Whether spamming is the right word, most people are saying Tier 1 must be high quality, but this doesn't need to be so much the case for backlinks to Tier 1 (i.e. Tier 2). So in a way that's the question I have also. With people talking about buffer sites, I would assume that Google will catch on to that one day.
      Here's the short and to the point answers.
      1. I use one web2.0 account for 1money site, and don't post mixture of niche article on it. 1niche>1web2.0>1money site

      2. Yes usually i spin the article to post on different web2.0 sites. for ex: i write 10 fresh articles on the same niche, and submit those articles to 1web2.0 site (first time without spin). then i spun those articles like this: and submit all those 10spun ready articles to different web2.0 sites.
      1st article x 10= 10spun ready article
      2nd article x10= 10spun ready article
      ...........

      3. Yes i do all this through Magic Submitter

      4. after submitting those articles just bookmark all your web2.0 sites and submit those articles to wiki sites too with link back pointing to your web2.0 sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
        Originally Posted by TheProgrammer View Post

        1. I use one web2.0 account for 1money site, and don't post mixture of niche article on it. 1niche>1web2.0>1money site
        That means each web 2.0 account will have 10 to 20 articles and all or almost all have links to just one website.

        Do you think that gives it away too much?
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        • Profile picture of the author TheProgrammer
          Originally Posted by Jon Paella View Post

          That means each web 2.0 account will have 10 to 20 articles and all or almost all have links to just one website.

          Do you think that gives it away too much?
          I am not recommending you to create 10 web2.0 accounts daily, i usually register 1 web2.0 account per day and post 10/20 articles on it. that means 10/20 backlinks per day to my money site. so i think it is normal for any site even its new or old, isn't it?

          to work on other of your websites you must have to use private proxies.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
            Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

            The metaphor I was using is not complicated. Figure it out.

            Good contribution (not).

            Your point was irrelevant. Google aren't doing too badly $$$ are they?
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            • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
              Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

              Good contribution (not).

              Your point was irrelevant. Google aren't doing too badly $$$ are they?
              You missed my point, but not everyone can help being dimwitted.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
                Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

                You missed my point, but not everyone can help being dimwitted.

                It seems you are the one to decide to make personal childish comments.

                Bye
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    If I was you I wouldn't be lazy with these types of link structures. Blasting them all with the same links from the same sites with the same content is asking for trouble.

    I would set up a tier 1 with unique content, don't even link to your site for a while until you have completed building links to it and then let it settle for a few weeks, before adding fresh content and updating it.

    Your tier 2 needs to be unique too (link profile), if your blasting links at it with software then make sure to blend in other links to authority domains, probably a good idea to blend in links on the tier 1 sites too.

    I would prefer to do everything manually opposed to using software with the only exception to mix in some ****ty bookmarks and articles to water down the PR and anchor text and link diversity, these types of links do little if anything to boost pr but they have their uses.

    Don't waste too much time on this... it's far better to have 1 quality link than 100 ****ty web 2.0 links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    How is building a few tiers going to prevent google from slapping the whole thing.

    Surely their algorithms can look well beyond just a few tiers.

    At some point, whether tier 1 and tier 2 are decent (not auto spun) content, to work this method you have to hit the lower tiers with "spammier" stuff due to the volume of work involved.

    Won't google just work back through the tiers and see all these spammy links and spun text pointing back to the lower tiers, which in turn then flow back to higher tiers and eventually the money site.

    Surely google has sussed this out.

    Or does it still work?

    How can this be made more future google proof apart from being less aggressive on acnhor text used?
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    • Profile picture of the author habibj
      Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

      How is building a few tiers going to prevent google from slapping the whole thing.

      Surely their algorithms can look well beyond just a few tiers.

      At some point, whether tier 1 and tier 2 are decent (not auto spun) content, to work this method you have to hit the lower tiers with "spammier" stuff due to the volume of work involved.

      Won't google just work back through the tiers and see all these spammy links and spun text pointing back to the lower tiers, which in turn then flow back to higher tiers and eventually the money site.

      Surely google has sussed this out.

      Or does it still work?

      How can this be made more future google proof apart from being less aggressive on acnhor text used?
      I agree with you... The "big G" who also troll these forums can reverse engineer this stuff, especially if it does not look 100% natural and there isn't a real purpose for the tier 1 or tier 2 sites other than receiving a backlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Thats why I say keep it small and as unique as possible, like you said they only need one entry point to reverse engineer the links back up to the money site, the more you blend in other links the more natural it will be and more more unique the inbound links will make it even harder for them to spot, that's why I prefer high quality manual link building as I have 1000's more sites to link from and they are 10x better quality links.

    What I could do in a day building manual links to 5 web 2.0's would probably take you several weeks with software like MS or SenukeX.

    It's the same with ALN they only needed one site (ALN) and it's outbound links to crawl the whole network. I don't know if this is how they did it but it's possible. Then they could have filtered out the money sites from the splogs, by using dupe content filters and other chracteristics like OBL (volume), and page size (KB).
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    I think 'spam' is too strong of a word in one sense. These sites that are being submitted to have submission forms. They want the content. Of course they would prefer it was well-written content but if they accept it, it's not exactly spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      I think 'spam' is too strong of a word in one sense. These sites that are being submitted to have submission forms. They want the content. Of course they would prefer it was well-written content but if they accept it, it's not exactly spam.
      I think the perception of what "spam" and "manipulation" is has changed over the last few years. If you take Ezine for example. At one point this was used soley to promote affiliate links because it had good traffic.

      Then people wanted more control over their pages they started linking back to their sites with better squeeze pages that convert better..

      but once they saw that this improved their rankings they started to submit mass articles soley for the purpose of SEO and better SERPS positions.

      I think motives and your intentions have alot to do with it. Whether or not they want it Google still see it as "manipulation", it probably gets classed wrongly as spam in some cases, there are legitmate reasons for wanting to promote your website using a particular platform like press releases but doing en masse is probably what they're against.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
        Now, it's not what you or I think is spam that is important.

        It is what Google considers as spam that is important.
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        • Profile picture of the author mosthost
          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

          Now, it's not what you or I think is spam that is important.

          It is what Google considers as spam that is important.
          I agree with you and DMTaylor both. Google is the one that changed the definition. If they see it as spam they'll penalize for it.

          Their tolerance for 'spam' is getting lower as time goes on
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          • Profile picture of the author habibj
            Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

            I agree with you and DMTaylor both. Google is the one that changed the definition. If they see it as spam they'll penalize for it.

            Their tolerance for 'spam' is getting lower as time goes on
            great point agreed. the filters will continue to be turned up. More people will fall into their spam nets sooner or later.
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        • Profile picture of the author habibj
          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

          Now, it's not what you or I think is spam that is important.

          It is what Google considers as spam that is important.
          Agreed. It only matters what Google thinks spam is... But, then again they aren't real clear as to what spam is now. It is a moving target. The examples they provide the SEO community are phony and misleading. Most of us on the forum would most likely never backlink our website even remotely similar to the examples they provide or leak to the public through their whitewashed PR dept.

          In the end, G owns the our space, they make up the rules as they go in an effort to keep everyone off balance so site owners either give up or pay per click. G will just keep telling their surrogates who spin their news that they had nothing to do with anyone's rank loss, but that it is the SEO community's fault for spamming through advanced tactics.

          Change the rules, blame others call them spammers when the search results suck and make billions more through your paid ads. It is a fantastic PR strategy. I sometimes feel sorry for myself that I was not there to hatch the idea from the inside.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Wow. This thread has been very informative. Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

    How is google losing the war?
    Yeah it looks like they're winning it from my POV
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      Yeah it looks like they're winning it from my POV

      It's my guess Google is going to get alot better at detecting and deindexing ****ty tier 1/2 web 2.0 sites with spun content, because their index is littered with them, they now know this is a major problem both for spam and search quality as thousands of people recently pointed out..

      @ GGpaul - You got to stay ahead of the times. I would build just a small amount of blogs (5) and treat them like your main website with 100% unique content, update them often, give some link love to other quality websites, manually build backlinks to them and mix it up with a few automated social bookmarks and articles with blended links + manual directory submissions/forum profiles and only let this be no more than 20% of your link profile + plus don't choose competitive domain names but kept them highly relevant to your website + vary your anchors + don't dump them and go off building more, just keep powering them up and keep them high quality (PR4/5/6). If you get lazy Google will slap you hard...
      '

      Well that's the thing. I AM building blogs where I am treating them like my main website with 100% content. But now you mentioned automated social bookamrks, articles etc. etc. Now can't MS be used for that part?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
        Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

        So does the American government....yet 20 years of warring against drugs and the drug lords are as powerful as ever.
        This is not at all relevant to seo is it? But if the US governement really wanted to stop the drug lords they probably could.




        Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

        Money don't mean sh*t when you strategy to defeat the enemy is bassackwards.
        What does this even mean?
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        • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
          Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

          This is not at all relevant to seo is it? But if the US governement really wanted to stop the drug lords they probably could.

          What does this even mean?
          The metaphor I was using is not complicated. Figure it out.
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      • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Well that's the thing. I AM building blogs where I am treating them like my main website with 100% content. But now you mentioned automated social bookamrks, articles etc. etc. Now can't MS be used for that part?
        People who have been doing this for a while don't even use web 2.0 anymore because they know Google give more weight to a link from a GTLD than a subdomain, so they will use there own domains a start a mini PBN and build out 20 real websites with unique content, unique IP's, nameservers, geo.

        Yeah you can use MS or SenukeX for parts of it like social bookmarking, articles and press releases, but I wouldn't rely on it completely. You're far better off setting MS on a small schedule and then working on it manually in the background or hire a VA..

        There are quite a few people being slapped ATM for this type of link building. If you want to know how to do it properly go over to the SenukeX forum, there are one or two big threads over there, you will need to sit and read it start to finish to get all the juicy bits...
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

          People who have been doing this for a while don't even use web 2.0 anymore because they know Google give more weight to a link from a GTLD than a subdomain, so they will use there own domains a start a mini PBN and build out 20 real websites with unique content, unique IP's, nameservers, geo.

          Yeah you can use MS or SenukeX for parts of it like social bookmarking, articles and press releases, but I wouldn't rely on it completely. You're far better off setting MS on a small schedule and then working on it manually in the background or hire a VA..

          There are quite a few people being slapped ATM for this type of link building. If you want to know how to do it properly go over to the SenukeX forum, there are one or two big threads over there, you will need to sit and read it start to finish to get all the juicy bits...
          Interesting. I'll check out the forum tomorrow. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    For web 2.0 sites I use fiverr for my articles and have been able to narrow them down to these 3 services which I use continuously.

    Islandcoli will give you 9 unique articles of 500 words for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Phylix will give you 5 unique*articles of very high quality on any niche/keyword/subject of your choosing in 24hrs for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Kapsco1 will write two 400 plus word latent semantic indexing articles which are 100 percent unique for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Depending on if I feel lazy or not, I'll build my tier and three using web 2.0' as well then get fiverr gigs to blast them. Seems to work quite well.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    For web 2.0 sites I use fiverr for my articles and have been able to narrow them down to these 3 services which I use continuously.

    Islandcoli will give you 9 unique articles of 500 words for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Phylix will give you 5 unique*articles of very high quality on any niche/keyword/subject of your choosing in 24hrs for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Kapsco1 will write two 400 plus word latent semantic indexing articles which are 100 percent unique for $5, only on fiverr.com

    Depending on if I feel lazy or not, I'll build my tier three using web 2.0 properties as well then get fiverr gigs to blast them. Seems to work quite well.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonm
    Backlining web2.0s with spam is definately going to get hit soon, they will call that Google Goanna.

    Anyway I backlinked my web2.0 with fiverr spam about 1 week ago but no results to speak of as yet for low competetion keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author BigNorm
    The top one isn't to bad, I'm assuming he does spin but he seems to do it quite well and to be quite honest I doubt very much Google is ever going to be able to differentiate between a deeply spun article and an original. There are so many variations on the web on similar subjects it would be impossible. The only way would be to target really poorly spun articles which make absolutely no sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I'm going to try different types of backlinking with web 2.0. I'll let you guys know the results within the week.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Okay - so I invested into proxies. Man, I might as well just go get myself a private blog network. I don't even know if THAT works.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Okay - so I invested into proxies. Man, I might as well just go get myself a private blog network. I don't even know if THAT works.
      They still work, just not on a massive scale (private only), you need to be real careful. I was going to build one for all of my sites but then I backed out because I don't want multiple sites recieving the same backlinks anymore, but I could just flog the domains off, I can build PR like no tomorrow... some of my web 2.0 have PR5+ and I have quite a few of them.

      It really depends on how much wenga you're gonna make, if your site won't make $2000 a month in the first 12 months then go for mini web 2.0. I'm not going to do it with PBN but just a small web 2.0 network for each site and keep it niche related and high quality/focused. It's worth my time building a mini web 2.0 network for each site and not one for all because my sites are definately worth it.

      If you going the PBN route you want reseller hosting not SEO hosting. I have the name of a company where you can choose 50 premium IP's across three continents. I'm not going to post it here so PM me if you want it, it's only $25 a month, you could pretty much house 150 domains on this with no problems.

      Then you want aged domains, forget PR just old domains $12 a piece, with privacy and this hosting set up, with generic names like blogginit.com or just names like joebloggs.com

      When you build them up it's alot better they look alot more natural than linking from howtogetrichquicklyonlinehq.com to a website about toys, plus if its a domain with a real name it's gonna be invisble for the most part, you don't want to care about the keywords, it's the PR you want hiting your internal pages and your links sticking on the homepage, in related content.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

        They still work, just not on a massive scale (private only), you need to be real careful. I was going to build one for all of my sites but then I backed out because I don't want multiple sites recieving the same backlinks anymore, but I could just flog the domains off, I can build PR like no tomorrow... some of my web 2.0 have PR5+ and I have quite a few of them.

        It really depends on how much wenga you're gonna make, if your site won't make $2000 a month in the first 12 months then go for mini web 2.0. I'm not going to do it with PBN but just a small web 2.0 network for each site and keep it niche related and high quality/focused. It's worth my time building a mini web 2.0 network for each site and not one for all because my sites are definately worth it.

        If you going the PBN route you want reseller hosting not SEO hosting. I have the name of a company where you can choose 50 premium IP's across three continents. I'm not going to post it here so PM me if you want it, it's only $25 a month, you could pretty much house 150 domains on this with no problems.

        Then you want aged domains, forget PR just old domains $12 a piece, with privacy and this hosting set up, with generic names like blogginit.com or just names like joebloggs.com

        When you build them up it's alot better they look alot more natural than linking from howtogetrichquicklyonlinehq.com to a website about toys, plus if its a domain with a real name it's gonna be invisble for the most part, you don't want to care about the keywords, it's the PR you want hiting your internal pages and your links sticking on the homepage, in related content.

        Alright so from what I'm getting is all you do is manual post on web 2.0 properties that point to the money site. Afterwards, you just build links here and there to those 2.0.

        Asides from what, what else is there?
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          Asides from what, what else is there?
          1, Niche forum signatures
          2, DMOZ, Yahoo Directory & other quality directories
          3, Niche blog commenting
          4, Guest posting & paid reviews
          5, Social media, Facebook, Twitter
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Paella
    It really depends on how much wenga you're gonna make, if your site won't make $2000 a month in the first 12 months then go for mini web 2.0. I'm not going to do it with PBN but just a small web 2.0 network for each site and keep it niche related and high quality/focused. It's worth my time building a mini web 2.0 network for each site and not one for all because my sites are definately worth it
    Could you give us some detailed notes on how you would build a mini web 2.0 network for each site? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaseyp
    After you create your web 2.0 links you want to get them indexed as well as give them extra link juice to give them more power.

    I would first ping your web 2.0 links. Then I would throw tons of links to your web 2.0 links. You can blast them with a bunch of blog comments and forum profile links. Just go to fiverr and order a gig. I also will sometimes submit my my web 2.0 links to rss feed aggregators.
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  • Profile picture of the author brandonthomas
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    Using web 2.0 sites and a good marketing strategy it is beneficial and will boost your site's rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lukas
    To get out of zoo maze, it is going to be best to diversify and do things right. If the real quality sites don't have spammy link schemes do you want that?
    Get at least some quality links that stick and that nobody else has and you are not seeing a new zoo animal every 3 to 6 months in your sleep.
    I made some link bait that got picked up by some universities but it has had no effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charanjit
    Magic submitter is decent but it is not the be all of seo, if i was you I would use good content 2.0 site, use the the top 5, this content has to be wort while, one of my 2.0 sites jumped to a page rank of 2 as it was featured in the top 100 squdioo travel. Also worldvillage is a decent place to submit too.

    let me recap

    tier 1 (money site)

    tier 2 (handfull of 2.0 sites with very good content and link bait) do not automate this stage

    tier 3 2.0 sites using magic submitter

    tier 4 blog comments/ forum comments / wiki pages / word press blogs/ article directories / social media

    personally I do not use automated software as I am lucky enough to have a decent team behind me, but it may be the way forward for people who have low budgets. Also before you go on fivver and waste money having guys do these tasks for you you may want to try and find cheaper places to out source.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Charanjit View Post

      Magic submitter is decent but it is not the be all of seo, if i was you I would use good content 2.0 site, use the the top 5, this content has to be wort while, one of my 2.0 sites jumped to a page rank of 2 as it was featured in the top 100 squdioo travel. Also worldvillage is a decent place to submit too.

      let me recap

      tier 1 (money site)

      tier 2 (handfull of 2.0 sites with very good content and link bait) do not automate this stage

      tier 3 2.0 sites using magic submitter

      tier 4 blog comments/ forum comments / wiki pages / word press blogs/ article directories / social media

      personally I do not use automated software as I am lucky enough to have a decent team behind me, but it may be the way forward for people who have low budgets. Also before you go on fivver and waste money having guys do these tasks for you you may want to try and find cheaper places to out source.
      That's what I am doing. But it seems to me now that ranking is all about just having dope a** content and inner linking the page.s
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  • Profile picture of the author alexd
    Just discovered this thread - and am so glad I did. Its got a hell of a lot of useful information and advice on it. Thanks to everyone involved !!
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by alexd View Post

      Just discovered this thread - and am so glad I did. Its got a hell of a lot of useful information and advice on it. Thanks to everyone involved !!
      I don't even know if this thread is even useful after the updates.
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