Legitimate question about doing TONS of backlinks on fiver..

by RedShifted 8 replies
Ok so I see a lot of you guys hate the idea of getting backlinks on fiver.

But I'm looking at it in a different, newbie sort of way.
What I was thinking about doing was buying cheap info domains, then putting an incredible sales page up for a very targeted/low competitive niche.

Then I want to go on fiver and get some serious backlink campaigns. Maybe 4 of those 40,000 blog posts, a few edu packages and other high page rank packages.

I want to get more backlinks than all my competitors, in the hopes my site will quickly race up the serps.

I understand the site will likely get banned at some point, and thats what this thread is about.

My question is HOW LONG does it take usually for google to slap a site? How good are the chances of my site ranking a few months before google even finds out?

So that way I can make money, then if the site gets banned I'll just move it to a new domain or w/e and repeat the process.

I've been trying to figure out a way to QUICKLY get my site on page 1, and thought this might work if even for a little bit.

Has anyone ever tried something like this?
Reason I ask is I wanted to try it for a competitive niche too, where one of my main competitors has around 13,000 backlinks in a variety of different forms. I just don't see anyway of ever outranking them unless I do some SERIOUS backlinking. For less competitive niches I'm thinking maybe just a few campaigns might work, and maybe I'll get lucky and won't get banned. But I wanted to test competitive niches too.

I mean how do you guys even begin to compete with some of these sites that have building links for years and years? Like for the keywords "basement waterproofing nj" I will NEVER have any hope of outranking those websites unless I do something serious. I can build natural looking links, but it'll take farrr too long to get any movement in the serps I feel.


Thanks - Red
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  • Profile picture of the author Warrior X
    How good are the chances of my site ranking a few months before google even finds out?
    Approximately zero, sorry
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    You're thinking Black Hat, not Entrepreneur. Bad Red, bad. *slaps hand*

    Google Penguin knocked out the ability for this to work even for a day. You could slap your site with all of the backlinks you wanted to slap it with, millions if you chose, and it would do NOTHING for your rankings except for keeping you from EVER getting ranked, period.

    Go back and read my posts, Alexa's posts, and few others...you need 2 things to rank:
    1. High quality unique content
    2. High quality, relevant backlinks

    My mentor and I can often get a site ranked with 100 backlinks, all done manually, unless we're going up against PR9 sites or the actual vendor itself (and even then sometimes). There is no need for 5 bajillion backlinks.

    -- j
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    My question is HOW LONG does it take usually for google to slap a site? How good are the chances of my site ranking a few months before google even finds out?
    Nobody can possibly know this.

    It's because of the Penguin update that such a site seems very likely to be slapped, and the Penguin update itself is only a few weeks old.

    It'll be some months (at least) before people can even start guessing. In my opinion. (Not that that will stop some, of course :p ).
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Yeh sorry this is just one of those evil newbie thoughts I had to dispel from my brain.

    In my more competitive niche, this is my top competitor right now:

    NJ Basement Waterproofing | Crawl Space & Foundation Repair in Newark, Paterson, Staten Island, Tom's River, Edison, Clifton, Passaic, Union City, NJ | All Things Basementy! | NJ Umbrella Man

    These people have been building links for years and years, they have more than 1 website, some rank ok and they are all linked together. Plus they have a website that is about 60 times larger than mine.

    I try to stay as ethical as possible about stuff but for the longest time I just have not seen a way to rank up there on page 1 with them.

    This week I got to see how well natural backlinking actually works, but god this is going to take forever to do for this niche which is why I haven't even begun.

    I think what I'm realistically going to need to learn is how to outsource backlinking in a natural way on fiver. I don't want to pay thousands of bucks to have a SEO company do it and I guess the reality is I'm just looking for a shortcut.

    I know what shortcuts usually lead to in life so let me just drop it, I'll figure this out on my own at some point.

    Thanks - Red
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    • Profile picture of the author dv8domainsDotCom
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      my top competitor right now
      have been building links for years and years, they have more than 1 website, all linked together. Plus they have a website that is about 60 times larger than mine.

      I try to stay as ethical as possible about stuff but for the longest time I just have not seen a way to rank up there on page 1 with them.

      This week I got to see how well natural backlinking actually works, but god this is going to take forever to do for this niche which is why I haven't even begun.

      I know what shortcuts usually lead to in life so let me just drop it, I'll figure this out on my own at some point.

      Thanks - Red
      So, I highlighted some important parts from your post, and here's the thing: You have actually hit the nail on the HEAD what GOOD SEO is all about! You just need to DO IT!

      Stay as ethical as possible - Google penalties happen because people 'bend' ethical guidelines (and try OH SO HARD to rationalize their use of B.H. methods)... If you don't USE those methods, then (mostly) you won't be penalized.

      And, your top competitor IS your top competitor for a good reason: They have been building links for years, they have multiple sites (probably, I'm guessing, with good, relevant content) and they have strategically linked all of those sites together. And, guess what? This WORKS. (of course, being careful of "too much, too fast" which is un-natural, and overkill, quite frankly).

      "Plus they have a website that is about 60 times larger than mine."
      - A larger, relevant website that provides good content is typically referred to as an authority site. If they happen to have a good, non-spammy backlink strategy to deeplink those multiple pages, it probably helps them greatly.

      Here's the thing: You can easily emulate this by setting up some sort of FAQ. Each "page" is a focused answer on a specific topic. I am sure as a basement waterproofer, you can EASILY answer these questions for me: "How do I keep my basement waterproofed?" "Why should I care about waterproofing my basement". "How often should I consider checking my basement for waterproofing" : "What can happen if I don't waterproof my basement? "Is it possible to do some basic waterproofing for my basement by myself?" "I live in a drier climate... is basement waterproofing still important??" "How can I tell it's a good time to get my basement checked for waterproofing?" Your answers can be as little as a short paragraph where warranted, or hell, a college essay if you'd like... just make them GOOD answers, and make them useful to ME

      Now: Don't answer these questions here friend (hehehe). PUT 'em on your WEBSITE! I'm just giving you some ideas... the point is, you are doing SO many things by having multiple relevant pages. You are broadening your keyword reach and probably introducing mini/micro niche topics that WILL GET YOU BUSINESS organically through search.


      And finally:

      This week I got to see how well natural backlinking actually works

      There's a VERY good reason for this.

      I know what shortcuts usually lead to in life so let me just drop it, I'll figure this out on my own at some point.

      THANK you Maybe to put this into perspective for you, sir: (and, yes, this is a slightly rhetorical question). I have problems with basement waterproofing that I want to fix myself. You see, I did a little bit of reading at "cheapo-waterproofing" forums, and they suggested a VERY quick and immediately effective way to waterproof my whole basement is to just spray a latex primer (like, for painting) over any cracks... Hopefully (if you're truly a good waterproofer) you are GROANING at this suggestion... BECAUSE: it might stop a small problem NOW, but it can even lead to BIGGER problems in the future.

      In short: it's a shortcut that YOU (as a professional waterproofer) knows will never work long-term. And, for ME (as a customer in "pain" or some sort of need), I would hope that you would give ME the same advice that WE would give you:

      Aim for the long term solutions. They are somewhat more painful short term, and YES, it requires more work. BUT, you won't have to keep "patching those cracks" every year (or: every time google does another algorithm change). Your LONG TERM benefits will only get better with time.

      And... embarassingly this ended up a little longer than I hoped, but I like stories sometimes too hehe. I honestly hope that it is a little helpful for you, and wish you the best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
    Red...without letting too many of my "secrets" roam free here in the WF, I will say that there are ways you can demolish your competitor with a lot less effort. My mentor is a lot more versed in them than I am (it's something I'm still learning in all honesty), but it is very powerful and can pull you up the SERPs very quickly.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Perry
    Red, it's all about doing your due diligence before getting started. By doing some research, you would have discovered that this niche is probably not the best to get into since there is a good authority site that has been there for quite a while.

    Find the weaknesses in their online strategy. There are probably some long-tail keywords that they haven't optimized for that you could potentially target.

    Research is the key to being successful online!

    Kevin
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  • Profile picture of the author fenixpro
    Related but not I just wanna stand up for a few high quality backlink providers on fiverr. yes, the majority are crap and/or I wouldn't let them touch my sites, but there are a handful (at least) that do seriously high quality work. To the tune of having 300 plus orders in their queues at any time and 40K in 5 months of work. Not spammy links either. Social book marks, web 2.0 property links, etc.

    Another related but not related thought is that when people talk about penguin and getting slapped, they may (or I may) not be thinking about it accurately. It's not so much a matter of how long until you get found out. That implies that there are people or computers on the hunt and that you can roam free until they catch you. The whole point of the algorithm itself rests on the fact that it is a function, a system.

    It's like the day the garbage is picked up has changed from a thu to a friday. No matter how many times you put your garbage out on thu, they are not going to notice or do anything about it. They now come on friday. The system has changed.

    Maybe not the best analogy ;]
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