HELP: Google position dropped Suddenly...

by iSBP
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First Off, I am a newbie and have learned so much from this site. So thanks everyone out there who have posted to WF.

I have a dilemma. I started an Authority Site and it's about one month old. For the last week or so my main keyword that I'm targeting put my site at #9 on page 1 in Google. Suddenly today, it dropped to page 5!!!

I'm thinking it could be from a few different scenarios:
1. Google originally ranked my site too high and it's now settled to page 5.
2. I did adjust some meta descriptions removing my main keyword.
3. I did spin a few articles on HP and Squidoo and Google is punishing me.

So I'm thinking it's one or more of those reasons. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt78
    Since your site is just a month old, it's probably google dance. It's normal for a new site to lost and regain ranking like that. Since yours an authority site, you should focus on continuing adding great content. Don't worry much about getting backlinks first.
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  • Profile picture of the author MSC
    Probably due to 2 and 3 you got droped to page 5, though it has to say for sure, as 3 or 5 weeks should pass to settle your changes and take effect on rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roslan G
    my site 5 years old and the same happened to me , from position 5 on page 1 to page 6
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      I think it's the meta description..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Perry
    I would attribute it to the Google Dance. The best thing you can do is just keep posting original content that people will like to read. Focus on quality content before worrying about SEO.

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  • Profile picture of the author adam337
    You are going well. Don't need to worry about the ranking drop. Keep doing your regular work it'll be back soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I wouldn't worry. As others have said, seems like the typical Google dance.

    It can take time and a lot of quality content to become a respected authority site.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by iSBP View Post

      First Off, I am a newbie and have learned so much from this site. So thanks everyone out there who have posted to WF.

      I have a dilemma. I started an Authority Site and it's about one month old. For the last week or so my main keyword that I'm targeting put my site at #9 on page 1 in Google. Suddenly today, it dropped to page 5!!!

      I'm thinking it could be from a few different scenarios:
      1. Google originally ranked my site too high and it's now settled to page 5.
      2. I did adjust some meta descriptions removing my main keyword.
      3. I did spin a few articles on HP and Squidoo and Google is punishing me.

      So I'm thinking it's one or more of those reasons. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
      First of all, it is not an authority site. Maybe in a few years you can call it that. At one month old, sorry. Not even close.

      Second, look up something called QDF, or quality deserves freshness. People often call it a Google Dance, but it is something different. That is probably your answer.

      Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

      I think it's the meta description..
      LOL. No.
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      • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        First of all, it is not an authority site. Maybe in a few years you can call it that. At one month old, sorry. Not even close.
        This one had me LOL'ing too. One month authority site...really?
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by ilovechinesefood View Post

          This one had me LOL'ing too. One month authority site...really?
          Guys, in fairness to OP, he did say he "started" an authority site. I know the term is used incorrectly a lot on this forum (heck, I even use the term to refer to non-micro-sites), but I think he was referring to something other than a 5-page micro-site.
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      • Profile picture of the author matt78
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        First of all, it is not an authority site. Maybe in a few years you can call it that. At one month old, sorry. Not even close.
        Yes, at one month old..his site is still far away from being an authority site. But I believe he started the site with the intention of making it as one. At least that's what I understand from reading his first post.
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        • Profile picture of the author iSBP
          Originally Posted by matt78 View Post

          Yes, at one month old..his site is still far away from being an authority site. But I believe he started the site with the intention of making it as one. At least that's what I understand from reading his first post.
          Thats correct.
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          • Profile picture of the author IsaacWendt
            I would say,

            1. Google originally ranked my site too high and it's now settled to page 5.
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            • Profile picture of the author mindfulness
              I have experience like that, keep writing a good content and build a good links, it will be back soon.
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              • Profile picture of the author RyanWasHere
                Let your site sit for a while. Just keep on updating it with original contents and improve its SEO. Your site is very new and it may take a while before google can fully rates your site. Patience is a virtue.
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  • Profile picture of the author ilovechinesefood
    Originally Posted by iSBP View Post

    First Off, I am a newbie and have learned so much from this site. So thanks everyone out there who have posted to WF.

    I have a dilemma. I started an Authority Site and it's about one month old. For the last week or so my main keyword that I'm targeting put my site at #9 on page 1 in Google. Suddenly today, it dropped to page 5!!!

    I'm thinking it could be from a few different scenarios:
    1. Google originally ranked my site too high and it's now settled to page 5.
    2. I did adjust some meta descriptions removing my main keyword.
    3. I did spin a few articles on HP and Squidoo and Google is punishing me.

    So I'm thinking it's one or more of those reasons. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
    Out of curiosity why did you do number 2? You're supposed to have your kw in the meta description just as long as you're not kw stuffing.

    Your fluctuations are completely normal since its new. Same thing happened with me until I finally settled into my natural position. Google will boost your rankings temporarily (honeymoon period).

    I'm in the minority here but I'd stay away from spinning articles, especially after all these G updates.
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  • Profile picture of the author iSBP
    I'm glad to hear others have gone through this. I'm sure if I keep posting new content, it will move up in the ranks. I'll stay away from spinning and focus more on the content of my site rather than backlinks.

    Also, I should have made it more clear. I am in the process of building an Authority Site. I am not claiming that it IS an authority site.

    I removed my main keyword from the meta descriptions because I felt it to be a little redundant or showed signs of "keyword stuffing". I also want to rank for the lower volume keywords for each post/page rather than throwing my Main Keyword as the focus of each page. I have my settings saved on Wordpress to show my Main Keyword or domain in the browser of each page/post.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Personally, I would just remove the meta descriptions completely. Wikipedia doesn't use them at all, and they seem to rank pretty well for just about anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Personally, I would just remove the meta descriptions completely. Wikipedia doesn't use them at all, and they seem to rank pretty well for just about anything.
      A lot of people just don't know that's even possible (removing meta-description tags).

      If they remove the meta-description tag from the header, they can basically create as many relevant search descriptions as they want with page content. I don't think very many people know that tip.

      Also, people get in a hurry & don't actually take the time to rank a page/keyword, they create a single page & some links & move on to the next keyword. If SEO was that easy everyone would be ranking #1.
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      • Profile picture of the author iSBP
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        A lot of people just don't know that's even possible (removing meta-description tags).

        If they remove the meta-description tag from the header, they can basically create as many relevant search descriptions as they want with page content. I don't think very many people know that tip.

        Also, people get in a hurry & don't actually take the time to rank a page/keyword, they create a single page & some links & move on to the next keyword. If SEO was that easy everyone would be ranking #1.
        In building a 300-400 page site, is it worth it to take the time and doing proper research keywords for each individual page? That has been what I've been doing and it's extremely tedious, however, I think it may be worth it in the long run. (hence the reason why I removed my Main KW from the Meta Description).

        About "relevant search descriptions as they want with page content" I don't fully understand how Google picks that up (I should maybe research another thread) but when I see my content keywords on Google Webmaster Tools, only 1 word is shown. Not a group of words and especially not the keywords I'm targeting. How can Google put an "emphasis" or relation to Page Content keywords without it being in the Meta Description?
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Perry
          Originally Posted by iSBP View Post

          In building a 300-400 page site, is it worth it to take the time and doing proper research keywords for each individual page? That has been what I've been doing and it's extremely tedious, however, I think it may be worth it in the long run. (hence the reason why I removed my Main KW from the Meta Description).
          It is a lot of work, but if it were easy, then everyone would be doing it. Stick with it an you will be rewarded.

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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by iSBP View Post

          In building a 300-400 page site, is it worth it to take the time and doing proper research keywords for each individual page? That has been what I've been doing and it's extremely tedious, however, I think it may be worth it in the long run. (hence the reason why I removed my Main KW from the Meta Description).

          About "relevant search descriptions as they want with page content" I don't fully understand how Google picks that up (I should maybe research another thread) but when I see my content keywords on Google Webmaster Tools, only 1 word is shown. Not a group of words and especially not the keywords I'm targeting. How can Google put an "emphasis" or relation to Page Content keywords without it being in the Meta Description?
          I focus on ranking a single keyword with multiple internal pages (see my older forum post). You say 300-400 pages, that would be approx. 30-40 main keywords for me.

          If you don't have a meta-description tag Google will take the search phrase that the traffic has searched for & try to match that search text to an exact match page-title, <h> tag, on-page content text, or image Alt-text.

          So, ideally, you want the [exact] keyword phrase that the traffic is searching for someplace on your page, which doesn't always happen.

          Next, Google will try & do a search for the same exact phrase only the word will be in a random order (same keywords, just a random order).

          Next, Google will try & find a broader match of the exact keyword from the search phrase someplace on the webpage. So they'll look at the page as a whole & try to piece together the search phrase.

          Bottom line is, [exact] text wins most times in SEO, so pick your page titles, <h> tags, & image Alt-text wisely. Then write the content in a normal way, no keyword stuffing. Keep in mind the page titles & <h> tags have to be meaningful to human traffic, or your SERP CTR will most likely be low.

          Again, see my older forum post about internal links.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    Focus on your onpage seo first.

    1. Modify your existing content for LSI keywords
    2. Do some interlinking between your articles.
    3. Implement a silo structure to your site for easy crawling.
    4. Check your site page speed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy27
    i think it's all about google new update name penguin. you do some thing wrong work so google kick you down.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
    Actually looking back I have had new sites that hit the 1st page and then bounce back to the 5th page but these were for really difficult terms and slammin it with tons of high pr links. My latest site has hit the first page with 6 mil and shows no signs of going anywhere. I think more often than not I've built new sites and fidded around with the meta data and it has dropped, I think new sites are always abit sensitive anyway probably due to 0 backlinks and Google relying heavily on content, putting it back exactly the way it was usually recovers it for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author saovietxulynuoc
    My site has experienced like this, after that I checked all again, I think may be that I spam and being penalized, after that I updated content frequently, and focus on quality backlink not is the quatity, so on everything seem to be stable.
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  • you need to update your content with new & fresh content. try to get some quality back links....submit your site in google web master tool & on some portal site...also promote your site on social networking sites..
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  • Profile picture of the author AZMD
    A circulating rumor is that Google will rank a new site and pages highly for a short period of time so that they can get a feel for what searchers want. Supposedly they do this to get your clicks high enough to give them a measurement on where they should rank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    By the way, there are changes in the Matrix again these days, judging by some of the SERPS I am following.

    There may have been another refresh of some sort - these updates have changed the game and are making terms like "Google Dance" and QDF and advice like "keep building links/content" somewhat meaningless (or even more meaningless than they were before). Currently there seem to be a ridiculous number of YouTube videos ranking, all kinds of weird stuff going on.

    When you figure it out, be sure and let the rest of us know what it's all about.
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