Best WSO for Current SEO

14 years ago

Whoever has a good strategy will put it in action and make money with it instead selling it for 5-10 bucks and letting the whole world abusing it. There's nothing new with SEO , post panda/penguin varry your anchor's , don't mass spam low quality backlinks directly on your money site and try to make everything look natural nad human made.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by GodMode52

Whoever has a good strategy will put it in action and make money with it instead selling it for 5-10 bucks and letting the whole world abusing it. There's nothing new with SEO , post panda/penguin varry your anchor's , don't mass spam low quality backlinks directly on your money site and try to make everything look natural nad human made.

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Suir1980 13 years ago

Originally Posted by GodMode52

Whoever has a good strategy will put it in action and make money with it instead selling it for 5-10 bucks and letting the whole world abusing it.

Finally, someone who makes sense!

Think about it - if you ahve a super effective SEO strategy, why in the world are you going to sell it for a measly $10 or $15?!? It doesn't make sense to sell your proven effective strategy for such a small amount. If anything, you would sell it for thousands of dollars or charge ppl for your services... but never to share it for a few dollars.
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satrap

14 years ago

Originally Posted by manicmethods

^^ SEE TITLE ^^

Basically, I'm looking for the best WSO for SEO POST-PENGUIN.

A come on, no self promotion!

Here is the best wso for seo post penguin;
Stop wasting your money on useless wsos. Most of these wso creators have no clue about penguin as the rest of us. There hasn't been enough time yet for anybody to test everything and be able to defiantly say this works or this doesn't work!

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by satrap

Here is the best wso for seo post penguin;
Stop wasting your money on useless wsos. Most of these wso creators have no clue about penguin as the rest of us. There hasn't been enough time yet for anybody to test everything and be able to defiantly say this works or this doesn't work!

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methodsem

14 years ago

Best post Penguin strategy - Create content that is truly valuable. Don't try to game search engines. They will beat you.

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NomiNomiko

14 years ago

Nice share! A lot of really good footprints in there, many I never thought of.

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kristeena

14 years ago

I have not come across any solid WSO on Current SEO.
It takes moths of testing and verification to identify what is exactly working. Most of the SEO gurus are only just making wild guesses now.

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Mantasmo

14 years ago

There isn't one.

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Vija

14 years ago

Not found any yet.

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techndu2012

14 years ago

#1. Google, (as well as ebay/amazon/AT&T/Vodafone and more each day), are tracking EVERYTHING YOU DO! All day, every day, 7days a week 365 days a year.

#2. You are hiding nothing. Even if you are very careful and never use chrome , download the toolbar, never use gmail, google docs, google analytics or even click on a google ad, who you talk to, where you post what you read, what you buy they all are being tracked and any and every interactions with them get you tracked too. No matter who careful you think you are.

#3 the velvet that google likes to be rubbed by is SOCIAL MEDIA

#4. every video uploaded helps to create a market for you tube which g is still losing money on. Video also rubs them the right way

#5. if you get 100 "GOOD" backlinks, (you always have to ask yourself, who defines GOOD?), with a PR of 1 to 4 all with varying anchor text and all from different class C's (good luck!), but no social media interaction and I get 1 link with a pr of 1 and have a tweet/fb/and flickr post and get a total of 5 comments from people I dont know except maybe in social circles, 1 retweet and two likes

I WIN! Proving it everyday.

the pimp is to engage PEOPLE. get real PEOPLE to talk to other PEOPLE about you. The dont even dont have to give you a direct href link, just mention your name and or domain!

there is simply no question that video that gets a response and social media that gets a comment, like or retweet THAT IS THE SEO SIGNAL DRIVING PLACEMENT AT THE MOMENT

that said, keep in mind that personalization is a huge factor. so not only do you need to learn to engage PEOPLE, you also need to accept that THEIR history and social circles will play a big part in what they see.

BUT social gets the most like minded PEOPLE seeing your site in the top 5 when they search for what your selling.

SEO is not dead. In fact there are more opportunities than ever before BUT we're going to accept and embrace social media and learn how to elicit a response from real PEOPLE

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by techndu2012

#1. Google, (as well as ebay/amazon/AT&T/Vodafone and more each day), are tracking EVERYTHING YOU DO! All day, every day, 7days a week 365 days a year.

#2. You are hiding nothing. Even if you are very careful and never use chrome , download the toolbar, never use gmail, google docs, google analytics or even click on a google ad, who you talk to, where you post what you read, what you buy they all are being tracked and any and every interactions with them get you tracked too. No matter who careful you think you are.

#3 the velvet that google likes to be rubbed by is SOCIAL MEDIA

#4. every video uploaded helps to create a market for you tube which g is still losing money on. Video also rubs them the right way

#5. if you get 100 "GOOD" backlinks, (you always have to ask yourself, who defines GOOD?), with a PR of 1 to 4 all with varying anchor text and all from different class C's (good luck!), but no social media interaction and I get 1 link with a pr of 1 and have a tweet/fb/and flickr post and get a total of 5 comments from people I dont know except maybe in social circles, 1 retweet and two likes

I WIN! Proving it everyday.

the pimp is to engage PEOPLE. get real PEOPLE to talk to other PEOPLE about you. The dont even dont have to give you a direct href link, just mention your name and or domain!

there is simply no question that video that gets a response and social media that gets a comment, like or retweet THAT IS THE SEO SIGNAL DRIVING PLACEMENT AT THE MOMENT

that said, keep in mind that personalization is a huge factor. so not only do you need to learn to engage PEOPLE, you also need to accept that THEIR history and social circles will play a big part in what they see.

BUT social gets the most like minded PEOPLE seeing your site in the top 5 when they search for what your selling.

SEO is not dead. In fact there are more opportunities than ever before BUT we're going to accept and embrace social media and learn how to elicit a response from real PEOPLE

Before you start posting all this social media nonsense, please find one example of a site that is ranking based on social media alone. I can't.

Social media can be a great way to attract visitors, but it does not get you ranked. Frankly, in some niches, a social media presence just isn't viable or all that beneficial. For example, I do a lot of local SEO. How is social media alone going to rank one of my attorney clients in their local market? Yes there are ways we are using social media to get more traffic, but it is not going to get them ranked #1 for the 57 keywords in their market we are targeting.

People seem to have this fantasy that search engines are going to embrace social media and base their whole algorithms on social signals. However, social media is more easily manipulated than links, which is why they won't.

Start accepting social media for what it is, a great way to boost traffic, interact with potential and existing clients, and to build a brand name.

There is nothing wrong with that, but it is not going to replace backlinks/SEO.

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kickmoney 14 years ago

What the heck?

ITT OP is asking to buy a magic bullet.

Wisen up bro.
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Mantasmo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

People seem to have this fantasy that search engines are going to embrace social media and base their whole algorithms on social signals.

Replace "social media" and "social signals" with "quality content".

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tylerherman 14 years ago

Just buy different SEO packages and see how they work if you have money to burn.
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- WilsonA 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tylerherman
  
  Just buy different SEO packages and see how they work if you have money to burn.
  
  I tried this out a couple of months ago for some of the different sites I have in my portfolio and it didn't work out too well it was a mixture of new and old high pr sites.
  
  The sites did increase in ranking but not what I was looking for (i.e like 120 to 109) so I went with the private network thing and all those sites are now on page 1 or page 2 still not high enough to grab major traffic but that should change as I expand the network.
  
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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

Replace "social media" and "social signals" with "quality content".

If the "social" and "quality" people ever get together, we are going to be stuck with a bunch of people telling us the only way to rank in the search engines is by posting quality content on Facebook and Google+.

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reapr

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If the "social" and "quality" people ever get together, we are going to be stuck with a bunch of people telling us the only way to rank in the search engines is by posting quality content on Facebook and Google+.

That is true.

Ironically the sites that have survived the last updates have many back links from various sources. More interesting is the ones that had varied anchor text that was not always keyword targeted or over optimized on page did the best. I never filtered do and nofollow links but tried to avoid bad nieghborhoods. Some of the best links with PR were generally 'hand done'.

I have still not determined if page load speed played a role but where it can be improved it always was.

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techndu2012

13 years ago

>Before you start posting all this social media nonsense, please find one example of a site that is ranking based on social media alone. I can't.<

If you're still calling social media nonsense and arent seeing the effect social is having on organic SERPs, then you're doing something wrong.

I have NEVER used my clients sites as examples of how to rank. I deal with a very competitive industries and most of my clients would drop me like snake holding a hot rock if they thought I was showing competitors what they did to get the rank they have.

BUT I do blog (occasionally), on my blog at bob.blikini.com and I can show you one or two of mine.
Before I do, let me try to explain how I arrived at the philosophy I have.

we hear over and over and over that GREAT content has replaced the need for page rank/links or just about anything else. It is not quite hitting the mark. It is NOT about content, or even social media, it is about TRUST!! Who can google trust to help them get more inventory and higher conversions to be able to make more money for Google? I concede great content MIGHT help with that, but I can assure everyone it has more to do with personalization and geo targetting than trying to semantically analyze all "content" for something great! Am I really the only one finding total crap and repetition on the top? If you see it too, then maybe someone can explain that to me that disputes my belief that google is putting at the top what they think will attract the people most likely to respond to a google paid ad.

through using our blogging platform we focus on trying to get people comment on a topic because that is what google wants. Google doesnt give a damn about Facebook/Twitter/Linkedin but what they do care about is the PEOPLE that buy things that use those sites. Its about TRUST and they determine that by trusting the content they feel will bring more click thrus.

Ok, so I made a post back in August. the title is Mobile Links for SEO you can do a search for that in google and you'll find the post at or near (depending on where you're searching from and what they know about YOU), the top.

Another point is that the posts point to another url,(at least one), and now that site is generating traffic for mobile seo keywords from top placement.

Another point, the placement happened within 48 hours
Another point is it doesnt just place for the exact match title, it places for combinations of the words in the title as well. For example, it is #12 for mobile seo links which has dropped from #4 back in August and Sept. it is not dropping because the content isnt great enough. it's dropping because no one has commented or interacted with the page in 60 days or so. If someone signed up and posted a comment after selecting one of their own social platforms it would move up again.

WHY? Because google knows that someone from here who commented has an interest in seo and can be TRUSTED to attract other like minded people which offers google a chance to sell more seo ads.

You know, we are all free to believe what and who we want and Im the first to admit that Im not always right, but Ive been doing seo for a LONG time and we work on a lot of domains/keywords everyday and we watch, compare and analyze every day. So I'll give one more example and then l'll let you decide for yourself. I dont mean to cause an argument or offend anyone.

wrote a post in July as test. the title was
If a Penquin Penalty is The Problem SEO is Your Solution

its #1 of course. No one is going to be searching for that! BUT also in the top 3 that generated some traffic to our main site was
seo solution to a penquin problem. It has dropped to #6 again because no one is interacting with it and google doesnt trust it so much.

I could show you several more examples where the target site has jumped significantly for tough terms due to a combination of social and links.
outsource.techndu.com #6 for SEO Outsourcing
#3 seo outsourcing service
#7 social media outsourcing ( this site was not in the top 500 for this term 6 months ago)
#2 social media outsourcing company

I believe the following statement with all my heart

EVERY business in the world has a social media presence. Its just that some businesses embrace and capitalize on it while others refuse to accept it. Those who embrace it are the winners.

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by techndu2012

>Before you start posting all this social media nonsense, please find one example of a site that is ranking based on social media alone. I can't.<

If you're still calling social media nonsense and arent seeing the effect social is having on organic SERPs, then you're doing something wrong.

I have NEVER used my clients sites as examples of how to rank. I deal with a very competitive industries and most of my clients would drop me like snake holding a hot rock if they thought I was showing competitors what they did to get the rank they have.

BUT I do blog (occasionally), on my blog at bob.blikini.com and I can show you one or two of mine.
Before I do, let me try to explain how I arrived at the philosophy I have.

I do not consider blogging a part of social media, so I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Is it true that a lot of topped ranked sites have good social signals? Yes, in really popular markets you can often find that. However, did the social signals get them there, or did the top ranking happen first? That in turn brought traffic to the site, which increased the number of people liking the page, Tweeting about it, etc.

I have yet to see any proof of a site starting from scratch and ranking for anything with even moderately competitive keywords based on social signals.

Originally Posted by techndu2012

we hear over and over and over that GREAT content has replaced the need for page rank/links or just about anything else. It is not quite hitting the mark. It is NOT about content, or even social media, it is about TRUST!! Who can google trust to help them get more inventory and higher conversions to be able to make more money for Google? I concede great content MIGHT help with that, but I can assure everyone it has more to do with personalization and geo targetting than trying to semantically analyze all "content" for something great! Am I really the only one finding total crap and repetition on the top? If you see it too, then maybe someone can explain that to me that disputes my belief that google is putting at the top what they think will attract the people most likely to respond to a google paid ad.

through using our blogging platform we focus on trying to get people comment on a topic because that is what google wants. Google doesnt give a damn about Facebook/Twitter/Linkedin but what they do care about is the PEOPLE that buy things that use those sites. Its about TRUST and they determine that by trusting the content they feel will bring more click thrus.

Ok, so I made a post back in August. the title is Mobile Links for SEO you can do a search for that in google and you'll find the post at or near (depending on where you're searching from and what they know about YOU), the top.

Mobile links for SEO gets zero searches a month. Nobody is trying to rank for that term. You ranked for a term nobody is competing for. This is nothing new. People do that all the time. I'm not sure what you believe this proves.

Originally Posted by techndu2012

Another point is that the posts point to another url,(at least one), and now that site is generating traffic for mobile seo keywords from top placement.

Another point, the placement happened within 48 hours
Another point is it doesnt just place for the exact match title, it places for combinations of the words in the title as well. For example, it is #12 for mobile seo links which has dropped from #4 back in August and Sept. it is not dropping because the content isnt great enough. it's dropping because no one has commented or interacted with the page in 60 days or so. If someone signed up and posted a comment after selecting one of their own social platforms it would move up again.

WHY? Because google knows that someone from here who commented has an interest in seo and can be TRUSTED to attract other like minded people which offers google a chance to sell more seo ads.

OR because the other related terms dealing with mobile SEO links also have NO competition or search volume either.

Originally Posted by techndu2012

You know, we are all free to believe what and who we want and Im the first to admit that Im not always right, but Ive been doing seo for a LONG time and we work on a lot of domains/keywords everyday and we watch, compare and analyze every day. So I'll give one more example and then l'll let you decide for yourself. I dont mean to cause an argument or offend anyone.

wrote a post in July as test. the title was
If a Penquin Penalty is The Problem SEO is Your Solution

its #1 of course. No one is going to be searching for that! BUT also in the top 3 that generated some traffic to our main site was
seo solution to a penquin problem. It has dropped to #6 again because no one is interacting with it and google doesnt trust it so much.

Or it dropped to #6 because your competition started pushing harder to rank for the term. There is money to be made in making people believe you know how to fix Penguin problems. Look at all the link cleanup services that popped up in the weeks after Penguin came out.

Originally Posted by techndu2012

I could show you several more examples where the target site has jumped significantly for tough terms due to a combination of social and links.
outsource.techndu.com #6 for SEO Outsourcing
#3 seo outsourcing service
#7 social media outsourcing ( this site was not in the top 500 for this term 6 months ago)
#2 social media outsourcing company

I believe the following statement with all my heart

You have also been actively building backlinks to this site (or attracting them). So is it the social signals or the backlinks pushing it up? You really cannot say with 100% certainty it is the social signals. We know that backlinks work. We can find thousands of examples of sites ranking #1 based on their onpage SEO and backlinks with zero social presence. I cannot find one site ranking based on just a social presence and no backlinks.

Originally Posted by techndu2012

EVERY business in the world has a social media presence. Its just that some businesses embrace and capitalize on it while others refuse to accept it. Those who embrace it are the winners.

I do not believe social media is worthwhile for every business. For example, I know a business that ranks very well for industrial paper shredders. Not the little ones you find in your office. These are more like for shredding thousands of papers in a few minutes. Do you think people are really going to Tweet about that? Or Like it on Facebook?

Now it makes sense for them to have a social presence to interact with existing customers if any of those customers wish to interact that way (but none do). For any kind of SEO benefit, or even direct traffic to bring in new business, putting any kind of serious money or resources into social media is a waste for them.

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14 years ago

Nice Posting friend,

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multiplecloud

14 years ago

The best for one website do not always the best for other. You should try on your own, try to choose WSO that have good review.

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14 years ago

nice posting

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brettb

13 years ago

Becker has a nice one - he hangs out here sometimes. His site is at Source-Wave. I got his recent WSO for around $11 and it helped me to focus on what Google really wants to see right now.

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dreamtoreality

13 years ago

Originally Posted by brettb

Becker has a nice one - he hangs out here sometimes. His site is at Source-Wave. I got his recent WSO for around $11 and it helped me to focus on what Google really wants to see right now.

I'm not sure about Becker. I ordered one of his SEO packages a week ago and haven't heard anything since. Hasn't replied to my email either. Another user has said the same thing in one of Becker's WSO threads.

Edit: That's Becker13, btw. I think there might be two users named Becker on this forum.

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nik0 Banned 13 years ago

What's the secret technique to be successful with SEO?

- Build a website with great content (this is where most people fail so a bad start)
- Build quality links (and here most fail as well so how you except to become successful in IM)
- Know how to monetize a site, otherwise you still have nothing

Easy as that.

Funny enough I had a chat with one of my clients today, he build a site and the ranking worked out exceptionally well for him. Multiple #1 rankings and pulling in 200 unique visitors a day. As he apparently builds sites that Google likes I made him an offer, he builds the sites and I rank them.

He refused.

Then I asked him how much he spend on that site for content as it's a real nice looking site with good articles. Turns out he spend 1000 euro on it. No wonder he refused my offer.

But it's the ultimate proof that quality still works very well but quality does not come cheap. It will take multiple months before he makes back his investment but that's how it works in the real world. You invest and wait for it to come back, simple as that.

ps: little secret, although his content was great on an information level, he told me that the content actually wasn't that great spelling/grammar wise as it was written by a non native. I guess Google has a good way of determining quality content without nit picking about some spelling/grammar errors.
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GGpaul

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

I'm not sure about Becker. I ordered one of his SEO packages a week ago and haven't heard anything since. Hasn't replied to my email either. Another user has said the same thing in one of Becker's WSO threads.

Edit: That's Becker13, btw. I think there might be two users named Becker on this forum.

I've used Beckers service before too. It didn't do anything to my rankings. I got turned off even more just by his pointless posts or what you call "trolling" on the forums just to get more attention.

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SEO Haven

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

I'm not sure about Becker. I ordered one of his SEO packages a week ago and haven't heard anything since. Hasn't replied to my email either. Another user has said the same thing in one of Becker's WSO threads.

Edit: That's Becker13, btw. I think there might be two users named Becker on this forum.

If you pay someone for a service and don't hear anything for more than 24 hours, that's not a very good sign (unless it's over Christmas or on the 1st of January when everyone's got a hangover, but still, even on these days it's only common courtesy to confirm receipt of the payment and let the client know what's going on).

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xenium11

13 years ago

True organic content would be the only reason your site SEO gets boosted. It doesnt not sound pleasent that you are running after penguin or panda.
CONTENT IS KING.....
Get some backlinks in a natural way..... And only try WHITE HAT METHODS

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SeoKnightsInc

13 years ago

Well most of the social signal lover would like to read this by Google's Founder Sergey Brin :

Web freedom faces greatest threat ever, warns Google's Sergey Brin | Technology | The Guardian

Sergey Brin, Google Co-Founder, Says Internet Freedom Facing Greatest Threat Ever

Strange that people think social signals will ever work wonders

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ProSence

13 years ago

Thanks for sharing your knowledge for ranking site, I would adopt the same technique, rather recovering my site from EMD, I would create new site and would do quality work.

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Vikram73

13 years ago

Best post-penguin strategy to try out is called PPC. Instead of spending $300 on links and waiting 3 months for a SERP update go try out AdCenter, BuySellAds etc..

You'll have traffic within minutes to your site and can start testing what converts right away.

If it converts and you like the keyword, think about how to SEO your site for it.

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