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12 years ago

Ranked higher for what?

But yes, I can absolutely believe that the first one is ranked higher than the second for a ton of things. That domain is pretty powerful. DA of 86. PR of 7. Nearly 170,000 links.

Oh, and also the second one is clearly keyword stuffing "GPA calculator" in that page, and it is misspelled at least once that I saw right off the bat. Also found 4 other grammar errors immediately. So much for quality content.

EDIT: I just spot checked some of the links of the second site. They should be highly pissed at whoever they paid to do SEO for them. Nothing but spam. Blog comments on sites with hundreds to thousands of comments, porn links, viagra links, gambling links... None of the sites are niche related at all. Absolute garbage.

Yeah, so they don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 1000 for anything.

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aygabtu

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Ranked higher for what?

But yes, I can absolutely believe that the first one is ranked higher than the second for a ton of things. That domain is pretty powerful. DA of 86. PR of 7. Nearly 170,000 links.

Oh, and also the second one is clearly keyword stuffing "GPA calculator" in that page, and it is misspelled at least once that I saw right off the bat. Also found 4 other grammar errors immediately. So much for quality content.

EDIT: I just spot checked some of the links of the second site. They should be highly pissed at whoever they paid to do SEO for them. Nothing but spam. Blog comments on sites with hundreds to thousands of comments, porn links, viagra links, gambling links... None of the sites are niche related at all. Absolute garbage.

Yeah, so they don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 1000 for anything.

How do spam links = bad site, or bad grammar? The utility on the first site is crap. It doesn't allow you to enter the credits, review, change or save your inputs. The second does all of that and more. So what if the backlinks are spammy, how does that make it a bad site?

Would you really want to use the first site to calculate your GPA over the second?

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

How do spam links = bad site, or bad grammar? The utility on the first site is crap. It doesn't allow you to enter the credits, review, change or save your inputs. The second does all of that and more. So what if the backlinks are spammy, how does that make it a bad site?

Would you really want to use the first site to calculate your GPA over the second?

So Google should allow sites to spam their way to the top if they meant well?

No search engine can judge the quality of an application on a website.

And yes, if you are going to make the argument that content matters, than grammar and proper spelling are a part of that.

Manual reviews are not the answer. There are far too many webpages for any search engine to spend time doing that. 15 years ago when the internet was a much smaller place, that could have worked. Not today.

The site should not have tried spamming its way to the top and it might be ranking better today. I have no problem with its ranking.

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paulgl 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

No search engine can judge the quality of an application on a website.

That's the bottom line. Crazy penguin threads about how content is
everything.

Here's below the bottom line: As always in these ridiculous SERP
threads (and yes they are ridiculous), one has to judge
the quality of the searched term. As I pointed out so effortlessly
in another thread, about how some terms are just junk.

Calculating a GPA would be a junk search. The school you are
attending would already do that. That's what matters. That's
what counts. Very simple, actually. Nobody would need to calculate
their GPA in 2012.

So what does one expect when searching for terms like that?
Probably an EMD or other junk site will rule this so-called
outdated, outmoded, out-whatever search term.

Junk terms will get junk results.

But yes, google is full of crap. If "crap" means bank account.
Pity facebook is not so full of crap, or even MS.

Will these ridiculous SERP threads ever end? Nope, because
people have so much time to do this nonsense.

Me? I'm working DANG hard on my sites. Strange, I know. To
be working on my sites instead of worrying and doing ridiculous
google searches. Where do you people get this time from?

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- aygabtu 12 years ago
  
  Paul,
  
  With about 300k monthly searches for the term 'gpa calculator', not to mention variations of it, the real world does look for utilities like these and most colleges do not provide it. Yeah, they do calculate your GPA at the end of the semester, but if you want to run some hypothetical scenarios on a current semester, etc. you will have to build a spreadsheet or google for a tool to do it.
  
  I would love to just focus on content of my websites. But the google philosophy of build it and they will come through organic search doesn't work without a push from people with vested interests in the success of the sites. Unfortunately the more competitive niche the more time that takes.
  
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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

EDIT: I just spot checked some of the links of the second site. They should be highly pissed at whoever they paid to do SEO for them. Nothing but spam. Blog comments on sites with hundreds to thousands of comments, porn links, viagra links, gambling links... None of the sites are niche related at all. Absolute garbage.

Yeah, so they don't deserve to be anywhere near the top 1000 for anything.

Yep that about sums it up.

OnlineConverision deserves its rankings. Look at:
Open Site Explorer

Lots of natural, authoritative links ...no doubt gotten as a result of being around since 1997.

How is this supposed to show Google is full of crap ?

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aygabtu

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

Yep that about sums it up.

OnlineConverision deserves its rankings. Look at:
Open Site Explorer

Lots of natural, authoritative links ...no doubt gotten as a result of being around since 1997.

How is this supposed to show Google is full of crap ?

Have you tried their GPA calculator? Show me how any college student could use it to calculate their GPA. They don't have any way to enter your credits. They also have no way to go back and edit/review user inputs. Also if you leave the page, all your inputs are gone. There is no way to save it and come back a day or a week later. If you entered 20 grades, it's all gone.

Sure the other stuff in nice to have features, but don't you think google should return results for GPA calculators that can, at the very least, calculate your GPA? This is in the top 5 of their results and it can't calculate the GPA of 99.9% of colleges.

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

Have you tried their GPA calculator? Show me how any college student could use it to calculate their GPA. They don't have any way to enter your credits. They also have no way to go back and edit/review user inputs. Also if you leave the page, all your inputs are gone. There is no way to save it and come back a day or a week later. If you entered 20 grades, it's all gone.

Sure the other stuff in nice to have features, but don't you think google should return results for GPA calculators that can, at the very least, calculate your GPA? This is in the top 5 of their results and it can't calculate the GPA of 99.9% of colleges.

You might be right, but the other site is a poor example to use.

You can't expect Google to want to rank sites that keyword stuff and over optimize their anchor text ...regardless of how good or useful their content is.

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12 years ago

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

I think the biggest mistake though was using fiverr gigs to build backlinks. But given how long and entrenched the competition is in this area, I guess I went for the easier path. It sucks to need to divert so much time to SEO instead of focusing on the site itself.

What sucks is that you needed to go to fiverr. You are in niche where many target visitors have blogs/websites of their own. Linkbait and content marketing would have worked so well for you.

Imagine having to link build naturally for a page about hemorrhoids ?

You got it easy ......just employ a little:

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Steve2129

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

What sucks is that you needed to go to fiverr

New member so don't shoot me down if covered extensively elsewhere - this site is massive and I'm having a look around...

Saw this and thought I'd ask - does fiverr work well for buying links?

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve2129

New member so don't shoot me down if covered extensively elsewhere - this site is massive and I'm having a look around...

Saw this and thought I'd ask - does fiverr work well for buying links?

No it does not.

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12 years ago

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retsek

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

Easier said than done. I am a developer, not a promoter. If I could farm off my SEO to someone I would, but how do you know who is going to get you results that won't be penalized and who is just a good salesperson?

My strong point is coding too.

I outsource content, but I've learnt to do the marketing and SEO myself. It's not hard as it seems, and its definitely not cheap in the beginning.

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platnumcn

12 years ago

They have a forum OnlineConversion Forums - Powered by vBulletin

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doitnow

12 years ago

Don't you think posting a link to your adsense site on a public forum is a bit dangerous?

IMO, formulaconversion site contains far less features and conversion tools.
Or if there are tons of it, I could not find it.

While onlineconversion.com, they have too many features..

btw, how much do you earn from adsense on that site?

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12 years ago

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doitnow

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

Too many features? Really? Can you tell me what features they have over formulaconversion.com? I am referring to features not conversions. They definitely have more conversions.

Formulaconversion.com features:
- dimensional analysis for all its conversions which is a great learning tool
- search tool so you can quickly find the conversion you want. abbreviations allowed too, try searching for 'feet to meters', or 'ft to m' or 'feet to m'
- immediate conversions as you type. no need to click a convert button
- ability to save your favorite conversions. When you save them, they show in a dropdown menu on every page for quick access
- immediate conversion to common units for the unit type you are converting
- swap button to quickly swap units and update the conversion formula
- ability to enter values in either unit field. meaning if you are converting from feet to meters, you don't have to select meters to feet from the dropdowns to do the reverse

So back to my original question on your comment. 'While onlineconversion.com, they have too many features.' Please explain what those features are and why you think formulaconversion.com has less features?

1) Whois History:
OnlineConversion.com

274 records have been archived since 2001-06-26 .
Dedicated Hosting:
onlineconversion.com is hosted on a dedicated server.

FormulaConversion.comWhois History:
4 records have been archived since 2011-10-07 .
Reverse IP: 12 other sites hosted on this server.

Let's say, google has been a friend of OC.com 10 years before meeting FC.com... And OC.com lives alone in his/her own house, while FC.com lives together with 12 other housemates.

2) Features:
- What I refer to features are conversion types. That's a conversion website should feature, right?
- A common user will be easier to find the conversion tool in OC.com through the dropdown menu, and there are also those links to conversion tools on the homepage.
I don't want to search for a conversion term, I want it presented to me... That's what I meant about "...or if there are tons of it, I could not find it...".
The Enter Conversion Term search box is Too Small for me to notice..

Lastly, if you don't want to take criticism, then better not to ask.

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gearmonkey

12 years ago

I agree Google was better a year and a half ago before all these panda/penguin/poopoo updates.

Searching for quality stuff (the stuff I'm looking for) has become more annoying than ever. Bing isn't that good either. I'm hoping one of these guys get it figured out so searching for stuff can become fun again.

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Emil from Bavaria

12 years ago

From my observation Google is quite sensitive about sites trying too hard and will in doubt favor the "less useful" site that wasn't pushing so hard.

But just sitting there and not thinking about SEO at all, hoping that Google will do the right thing doesn't seem to work either, Google isn't that good

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nasuryono

12 years ago

It helps not to take things personally when it comes to SERP. Remember, it's just an algorithm made by Google. There are plenty traffic sources out there, not just Google.

Don't put all your egg on one basket (Google) and blame them when you don't do well. Diversification is key in any business.

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virtu

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nasuryono

It helps not to take things personally when it comes to SERP. Remember, it's just an algorithm made by Google. There are plenty traffic sources out there, not just Google.

Don't put all your egg on one basket (Google) and blame them when you don't do well. Diversification is key in any business.

agree with you!
But, well SERP is a challenge and naturally, we like a challenge

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Fadiz

12 years ago

add social function to your app for example allow the user to post the result to Facebook or twitter. its pretty easy to integrate

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Aristocratic

12 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

Looking for a GPA calculator? Compare these two and tell me which one deserves to be in the ranked higher:

onlineconversion.com

formulaconversion.com

Can you believe onlineconversion.com is ranked in the top 5, and formulaconversion.com isn't even in the top 1000 according to seoserp.com?!?!

Yeah, google is so smart. Focus on quality content...yeah right! Link building isn't always done by bad/low quality sites! What google needs are more manual reviews of content and less blanket punishment for sites trying to promote themselves.

1. As already stated, Google can't evaluate your program to see that it works better (or has more features) than the other. I therefor don't think this proves Google is full of crap because it spits out according to what it can evaluate (content, backlinks, setup, etc).

2. If someone is looking for a 'gpa calculator', I don't see how Google is misinterpreting the results by putting the basic one first because the searcher is not requesting a more robust calculator. If I'm searching for GPA calculator, I may just need the calculator straight and to the point. Is not the first site a gpa calculator? Is that not what the searcher asked to see?

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