Need help with latest authority site

by nest28
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Hello warriors, I've been away from the forum and internet marketing in general for about a month now. The last site I made which is "site removed" is nowhere in the top 300 search results. Webmaster tools shows 136 links consisting of social bookmarks,few article links and web 2.0s.

I defiantly need a little help, especially since the time I took off has made me really lazy about doing anything IM related, I never had a site that didn't rank in top 100, and the fact that this site has 186 articles and probably hundred low competition keywords has me stump has to why it is nowhere to be found.

On another note I did little experimenting with youtube and made about 10 cent in last couple days lol, I guess it really does take 1000 views to make 1 dollar.

Thanks in advance for any help.
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  • Profile picture of the author builderthebob
    This disappoints me a bit, since I know you're been working hard trying to get that site ranked.

    How well are you ranking for long tail keep words? How much traffic do you get everyday on average?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by builderthebob View Post

      This disappoints me a bit, since I know you're been working hard trying to get that site ranked.

      How well are you ranking for long tail keep words? How much traffic do you get everyday on average?
      Some days no traffic while other days 3 or 4. My keywords are nowhere to be found, what little traffic I do get is from long tail phrases. If it wasn't for the fact that this site is new, with very little links I would think it was penalized.


      I just can't figure out what is going on with this site, I took some time off from IM, to focus on other things, when I came back and checked , this site hadn't budged a bit in the serps.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
    What is the length of your articles ? are they completely unique ?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    [Echo Tech salary] ranks #39 in Google SERPs.

    I just picked a random page title on your site (link in OP).

    Ranking #39 isn't good traffic wise, but it's a starting point.

    I would move the links out of the sidebar & into the actual content.

    Example 7 pages with the keyword anchor-text in the sidebar.

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    Point those pages/links from directly inside the content, at the page currently ranking #39 in Google SERPs. Repeat for the rest of the keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Also, out the backlinks you built, what's the top 10 link profile look like (PR, relevancy, etc...)?
      Well like I said I took some time off and kinda stop caring about IM for minute, so I hire few people from fiverr, resulting in the 136 links I have. Most are very low quailty, pr n/a or 0, so no big surprised that my ranking didn't improve.

      Also I did start to implement the advice you gave me about internal linking, but my personal life really got in the way of everything, I had all but given up, until recently.

      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      1. Don't use site wide menus like that (popular posts).

      2. How do you track your rankings? A lot of your pages are ranking, just not high enough to get traffic.
      Thanx for letting me know about the popular posts widget.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        Well like I said I took some time off and kinda stop caring about IM for minute, so I hire few people from fiverr, resulting in the 136 links I have. Most are very low quailty, pr n/a or 0, so no big surprised that my ranking didn't improve.

        Also I did start to implement the advice you gave me about internal linking, but my personal life really got in the way of everything, I had all but given up, until recently.
        I wouldn't even consider the PRn/a - PR0 as links, unless they are extremely relevant they probably won't have much SEO value.

        At the very least build a few hand built higher PR + relevancy (If possible) external links & point them at the target page. The few quality external links + the relevant in content internal links should help you out.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

        Alot basically, when I checked out this niche Google had swamped the top of the serps with high authority sites and .edu and .gov domains since the penguin update.

        Nest, you really need a solid site to rank these keywords, your homepage needs to be a PR5 even to get a sniff of your internal pages hitting the top of the serps without deep linking them like crazy. Plus the fact they are low traffic you're not going to see a landslide of traffic.

        This is why I had a plan B, what worked 6 months ago, still works today with a few adjustments. I spend 2 months building my own bot, I've got some heavy high pr links backed up, nearly 10k, now aiming for 100k.

        If you built a neat and tidy 2.0 network I don't mind sending a few quality links your way just pm me.
        Hey thanx man, I was actually going to send you a message on fb, before you even made this post . And yes your right about the competition, these keywors were easier to rank before penguin, I may go a different route, easier niche idk. Than again now that I know this site actually ranks I might stay and put work in, I don't mind working for a year to add content and quality links, in mean time maybe I'll make a few micro niche sites to pay bills for now though.

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Ok, I see.

        I did the search & was looking at the Google Cache, you've removed all those links in the sidebar, but Google hasn't re-cached the pages yet.

        Anyways, build supporting pages & point keyword anchor-text from inside the content, back to the target page you want ranked, repeat...

        Seriously, you can make a big dent in SEO from relevant supporting pages on the same domain.
        Yea I linked about 10 supporting pages to a page aimed at ranking keyword ultrasound technician. Right after that is when I stop everything IM, or else this site would have been linked like IMDB.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          Hey thanx man, I was actually going to send you a message on fb, before you even made this post . And yes your right about the competition, these keywors were easier to rank before penguin, I may go a different route, easier niche idk. Than again now that I know this site actually ranks I might stay and put work in, I don't mind working for a year to add content and quality links, in mean time maybe I'll make a few micro niche sites to pay bills for now though.
          I PM'ed my site to you on FB, take a look at it now - ranking top 100 for around 20 keywords with no backlinks, take a look at the internal links.

          Go through all your posts and link them up like this. Group your posts together by relevance, 10 pages at a time and interlink them at 5 links per post working upwards and the last one including a link to your homepage with your keyword, if you link to your homepage with the other pages use your brand name. Then PM me some of your web 2.0 through FB and remove your site from this forum, and I'll back them up with some quality links.
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

            I PM'ed my site to you on FB, take a look at it now - the payday loans site, ranking top 100 for around 20 keywords with no backlinks, take a look at the internal links.

            Go through all your posts and link them up like this. Group your post together by relevance, 10 pages at a time and interlink them at 5 links per post, the last one point to your homepage with your keyword, if you point to your homepage with the others use your brand name. Then PM me some of your web 2.0 through FB and remove your site from this forum, and I'll back them up with some quality links.
            Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it, if you need anything let me know, site removed.

            Yukon could you please edit your post that shows my site please and remove the link, thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

          I would say what he is aiming to do, having a good sidewide nav is a good thing, blogger is great for passing link juice around the site, including the archive and 1,2,3,4 footer nav you see at the bottom it's perfect, what he needs is some linkjuice.

          Nest! what you haven't got (and shame on you) is internal linking, your posts have no links to other posts? my posts have around 5/7 links in a silo structure, I literally stuff as many links into a post that I can to other internal pages. What you're doing is not natural. Panda could hit you if a quality review was "ads above fold/no internal linking" etc you need to think about this, take a look at the New York Times and look at the post linking, then look at GWT and you will see they take this into account.
          I know I know , I should have started doing internal linking from the very start, now I have so many articles that are closely related I don't know where to start.
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I wouldn't even consider the PRn/a - PR0 as links, unless they are extremely relevant they probably won't have much SEO value.

          At the very least build a few hand built higher PR + relevancy (If possible) external links & point them at the target page. The few quality external links + the relevant in content internal links should help you out.
          I actually have the advice you gave me from that pm a while back title "Yukon Advice" on my pc in my documents folder . Believe any advice I get I either remember or I save it, from any helpful member on wf. Thank again.
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          • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            I know I know , I should have started doing internal linking from the very start, now I have so many articles that are closely related I don't know where to start..
            You will need to read through every post. What I would do is scan through the first 5 posts.

            When you see a keyword just copy and paste it into CTR+F, go back to the blogger interface and search the post titles. Then, right click the "view" link and copy the destination then go back and create a hyperlink.

            If you have articles with a similar keyword then sometimes you can adjust it slightly to meets the needs of a post title from another article. It takes a bit of time to work it to the level I did on the loans site.

            If you go and see, it fits in perfectly...
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

              You will need to read through every post. What I would do is scan through the first 5 posts.

              When you see a keyword just copy and paste it into CTR+F, go back to the blogger interface and search the post titles. Then, right click the "view" link and copy the destination then go back and create a hyperlink.

              If you have articles with a similar keyword then sometimes you can adjust it slightly to meets the needs of a post title from another article. It takes a bit of time to work it to the level I did on the loans site.

              If you go and see, it fits in perfectly...
              I see what you did what the loans site, and that is exactly what I was going to do with this site, but just got discouraged when I didn't see it ranking and stopped. Oh and thanks, that's exactly how I'll go about linking the internal pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Also, out the backlinks you built, what's the top 10 link profile look like (PR, relevancy, etc...)?
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Also, out the backlinks you built, what's the top 10 link profile look like (PR, relevancy, etc...)?
      Alot basically, when I checked out this niche Google had swamped the top of the serps with high authority sites and .edu and .gov domains since the penguin update.

      Nest, you really need a solid site to rank these keywords, your homepage needs to be a PR5 even to get a sniff of your internal pages hitting the top of the serps without deep linking them like crazy. Plus the fact they are low traffic you're not going to see a landslide of traffic.

      This is why I had a plan B, what worked 6 months ago, still works today with a few adjustments. I spend 2 months building my own bot, I've got some heavy high pr links backed up, nearly 10k, now aiming for 100k.

      If you built a neat and tidy 2.0 network I don't mind sending a few quality links your way just pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    1. Don't use site wide menus like that (popular posts).

    2. How do you track your rankings? A lot of your pages are ranking, just not high enough to get traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      1. Don't use site wide menus like that (popular posts).
      I would say what he is aiming to do, having a good sidewide nav is a good thing, blogger is great for passing link juice around the site, including the archive and 1,2,3,4 footer nav you see at the bottom it's perfect, what he needs is some linkjuice.

      Nest! what you haven't got (and shame on you) is internal linking, your posts have no links to other posts? my posts have around 5/7 links in a silo structure, I literally stuff as many links into a post that I can to other internal pages. What you're doing is not natural. Panda could hit you if a quality review was "ads above fold/no internal linking" etc you need to think about this, take a look at the New York Times and look at the post linking, then look at GWT and you will see they take this into account.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Which links in the sidebar? , and how come "echo tech salary" shows up in serps with pages that have nothing to do with that keyword.


    Thanks alot for pointing out echo tech salary rankings, I really thought something was wrong with this site, I used to use traffic travis to keep track of my rankings, but lost the license some how, I trying get that software again.

    I'm guessing ultrasound technician, pharmacy technician etc competition is really high resulting in not being found in serps, especially with my site not having to many links.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Which links in the sidebar? , and how come "echo tech salary" shows up in serps with pages that have nothing to do with that keyword.


      Thanks alot for pointing out echo tech salary rankings, I really thought something was wrong with this site, I used to use traffic travis to keep track of my rankings, but lost the license some how, I trying get that software again.

      I'm guessing ultrasound technician, pharmacy technician etc competition is really high resulting in not being found in serps, especially with my site not having to many links.
      Ok, I see.

      I did the search & was looking at the Google Cache, you've removed all those links in the sidebar, but Google hasn't re-cached the pages yet.

      Anyways, build supporting pages & point keyword anchor-text from inside the content, back to the target page you want ranked, repeat...

      Seriously, you can make a big dent in SEO from relevant supporting pages on the same domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author netightman
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Ok, I see.

        I did the search & was looking at the Google Cache, you've removed all those links in the sidebar, but Google hasn't re-cached the pages yet.

        Anyways, build supporting pages & point keyword anchor-text from inside the content, back to the target page you want ranked, repeat...

        Seriously, you can make a big dent in SEO from relevant supporting pages on the same domain.
        What is supporting page?
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by netightman View Post

          What is supporting page?
          Page you want to rank-> dog training

          Supporting pages-> how to train your dog not to bark at night

          How to train your dog to sit
          how to train your dog to come
          how to train your dog to roll over

          Yukon's advice is to link the supporting pages to the main page that you want to rank.


          On another note, the site that I had problems with got fixed be reverting back to blogspot from a custom domain, I don't know what happen or why the custom domain had problems but all my pages started ranking when I went back to blogger.
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          • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
            On another note, the site that I had problems with got fixed be reverting back to blogspot from a custom domain, I don't know what happen or why the custom domain had problems but all my pages started ranking when I went back to blogger.
            Do you believe a simple blogspot address is better than a domain linked to that blogspot address? I can see it being possible. I have a lot of blogspot addresses used to support a couple sites and I'm always surprised how fast they're indexed and how well they rank (easier than a fresh domain).
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

              Do you believe a simple blogspot address is better than a domain linked to that blogspot address? I can see it being possible. I have a lot of blogspot addresses used to support a couple sites and I'm always surprised how fast they're indexed and how well they rank (easier than a fresh domain).
              I had thought about not even buying anymore custom domains, I don't think they are necessary. I knew something was wrong with my site but just couldn't put my finger on it, something was like just revert back to blogger and see what happens, soon as I did that the post that paulgl said he couldn't find showed up and so did 9 other results which didn't show before.
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              • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
                I just "Googled" "blogspot authority sites" There are more than a few quality blogspot sites. It seems thay have an automatic headstart over a fresh domain.

                There are also a lot of great wordpress.com sites (but they don't allow ads on the basic site).

                I guess it is whatever you make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    A site wide menu like that one is ALMOST NEVER a good idea, unless you really don't care where your internal PR/link juice is going. All you have to do is grab a piece of paper and map out your site real quickly (use an identical smaller version if your site is big) and calculate how PR flows through your site (the formulas for PR are public, no secret there).

    Having site wides ONLY makes sense if you're optimizing for a few specific pages/site areas ONLY.

    You'll need a lot of link juice to rank for some of the bigger keywords... even with a good website. With a good website structure and good backlinks pointing to the right pages, you can definitely rank.

    I'd also put a lot more work into each page: get article formatting done properly, use pictures, lists, sub-headings and optimize page titles. That's a lot of work with a big site like this.

    The fact that you have random pages ranking for random keywords comes down to: bad internal link structure, bad page structure and badly optimized articles/pages.

    Good luck with the site!
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    • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      A site wide menu like that one is ALMOST NEVER a good idea, unless you really don't care where your internal PR/link juice is going. All you have to do is grab a piece of paper and map out your site real quickly (use an identical smaller version if your site is big) and calculate how PR flows through your site (the formulas for PR are public, no secret there).

      Having site wides ONLY makes sense if you're optimizing for a few specific pages/site areas ONLY.

      You'll need a lot of link juice to rank for some of the bigger keywords... even with a good website. With a good website structure and good backlinks pointing to the right pages, you can definitely rank.

      I'd also put a lot more work into each page: get article formatting done properly, use pictures, lists, sub-headings and optimize page titles. That's a lot of work with a big site like this.

      The fact that you have random pages ranking for random keywords comes down to: bad internal link structure, bad page structure and badly optimized articles/pages.

      Good luck with the site!
      I get your point with ranking main keywords, If I was to do this then I would remove pretty much all sitewides and maybe also limit other navigation points and nofollowing some links, basically making the site less crawlable, also putting less content on the site but making the articles longer and more detailed.

      When you use blogger alot you can really understand how it's built, and it's built well for passing link juice around a site. The popular/recent posts are great if you have alot of content with a high index page pagerank. You can get your posts indexed within minutes and have them ranking for their keywords.

      It's also good because it gives the posts that are performing well in the search engines an extra boost, or promotes content people prefer to read, but sometimes it's necessary to remove this and pass on some linkjuice to pages that are not ranking well and require a boost. Sometimes I do this with a quickjump menu or hand building a sitemap on a seperate page.

      I would say to get this site going now what you need is a few links per post, between 3/6 and then raise the pr of the homepage (3/4) and push the pagerank to the internal pages then pass it around clusters of pages as much as possible and back to the homepage with your main keywords. Targeting main keywords aren't really necessary, you just need non spammy quality links, even if the anchor text is your real name or better still no anchor text then Google can't clobber you.

      My blogger blog, was set up like exactly this, but I decided to remove the popular posts, the footer navigation and any label navigation, post dates, author tags etc because it's an affiliate site and I didn't want it looking like a blog, but I can tell you, overall it had a negative affect on the site's health, but not alot, it was worth the sacrifice to get it looking tidy. The only thing I have is the archive drop down menu at the bottom of the sidebar.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

        I get your point with ranking main keywords, If I was to do this then I would remove pretty much all sitewides and maybe also limit other navigation points and nofollowing some links, basically making the site less crawlable, also putting less content on the site but making the articles longer and more detailed.
        No I meant something else entirely... it doesn't matter what platform you use, the structure can be optimized to rank whatever you want: inner article pages, category pages or the homepage. In some cases all three. It's as simple as taking a pen and a piece of paper and mapping out PR flow through the site.

        Nofollowing internal links is a no go.

        You can have as much content as you want. I have close to 300 pages now.
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        • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Nofollowing internal links is a no go.
          Generally I agree but sometimes in blogger you can have links like this for editing the widgets;

          http:// www. blogger.com/rearrange?blogID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&widgetType=HT ML&widgetId=HTML1&action=editWidget&sectionId=head er

          Even when I'm logged out of blogger and don't see the tool icons I can still see these as external links on every page. Their numbers depending on how many widgets you have but could be up to 20 per page.

          I like to build my own custom templates with Blogger and sometimes they need quite a bit of tidying up if I use a basic template as the frame. Sometimes I will nofollow these links, possibly some social networks and maybe also nofollow the contact or privacy and terms pages, but everthing else I leave.

          **Edit**

          Leaving just the archive menu distributes the pagerank evenly amongst the months of the year, but it won't distribute evenly between the posts. Older posts on /page2 of the archive pages will get less pagerank and months with fewer posts would get a bigger boost - but the good thing is you can actually reassign a new post date for your posts and shuffle them around, so you can sculpt your onpage to pass more pagerank to the more competitive keywords this way. You can reassign a post limit for the archive pages and then limit the number of posts per month so the archive displays only one page with say 20 posts for your less competitive keywords and then in another month an archive page with only 5 posts for the month for the more competitive keywords.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
            Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

            Generally I agree but sometimes in blogger you can have links like this for editing the widgets;

            http:// www. blogger.com/rearrange?blogID=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&widgetType=HT ML&widgetId=HTML1&action=editWidget&sectionId=head er

            Even when I'm logged out of blogger and don't see the tool icons I can still see these as external links on every page. Their numbers depending on how many widgets you have but could be up to 20 per page.

            I like to build my own custom templates with Blogger and sometimes they need quite a bit of tidying up if I use a basic template as the frame. Sometimes I will nofollow these links, possibly some social networks and maybe also nofollow the contact or privacy and terms pages, but everthing else I leave.
            Yea I don't use blogger, didn't know about those. Tidying up your templates is the best option, just like in WP tbh...

            Don't nofollow any of the internal links (privacy, about) - it does you no good and possibly lowers PR of other pages, depending on overall site structure.
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            • Profile picture of the author dmtaylor247
              Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

              Yea I don't use blogger, didn't know about those. Tidying up your templates is the best option, just like in WP tbh...

              Don't nofollow any of the internal links (privacy, about) - it does you no good and possibly lowers PR of other pages, depending on overall site structure.
              It's a good job you brought this up actually. I just did a crawl test on my site and the bots can only find 25 of my 100 pages, when I deep crawl it further (with added links) and do an index check I can find only 70% of my posts are indexed by Google.

              Blogger sitemaps are rubbish but what you can do Nest is delete the sidewides and the archive menu (or even no index it to prevent dupe content) you can even nofollow the label tags which are noindex anyway then go into GWT and delete the sitemap and replace it with this:

              /atom.xml?redirect=false&start-index=1&max-results=500

              This should give you a 500 post xml sitemap instead of the usual 26 RSS one. You can then link to it from your homepage if you want to distribute the pagerank evenly by using the pagelist but then adding it to the "link to web page" option, then use all those pages it links to - to link to your most important pages.

              Some people like to nofollow these RSS feeds to prevent dupe content but you can just set it to short summary only or set it to full and use a post feed footer with your top ten pages for a few extra backlinks.
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              • Profile picture of the author nest28
                Originally Posted by dmtaylor247 View Post

                It's a good job you brought this up actually. I just did a crawl test on my site and the bots can only find 25 of my 100 pages, when I deep crawl it further (with added links) and do an index check I can find only 70% of my posts are indexed by Google.

                Blogger sitemaps are rubbish but what you can do Nest is delete the sidewides and the archive menu (or even no index it to prevent dupe content) you can even nofollow the label tags which are noindex anyway then go into GWT and delete the sitemap and replace it with this:

                /atom.xml?redirect=false&start-index=1&max-results=500

                This should give you a 500 post xml sitemap instead of the usual 26 RSS one. You can then link to s, it from your homepage if you want to distribute the pagerank evenly by using the pagelist but then adding it to the "link to web page" option, then use all those pages it links to - to link to your most important pages.

                Some people like to nofollow these RSS feeds to prevent dupe content but you can just set it to short summary only or set it to full and use a post feed footer with your top ten pages for a few extra backlinks.
                Thanx, I'm currently using /atom.xml?redirect=false&start-index=1&max-results=500 as my site map right now, it shows 187 indexed out of 187.

                I'll get started on everything else soon, just got back into bodybuilding so my whole mentality is focused on good fat,protein,carbs and working out like crazy, no room in my noggin for seo n backlinks at the moment lol.

                Thank you very much, dave,yukon and bnetwork I really do appreciate it.
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    ^^good luck with the site! I too exercise 4-5 times/week, but that only seems to help with focus/productivity.
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