Considering a Link Removal Service to Recover from the Penguin

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Hey guys I've had some sites get nailed by the Penguin update. I paid an seo guy from India to do my backlinking and I'm sure there are plenty of links that are negatively affecting my site's standing with google.

I saw an add for Linkdelete.com . Apparantly they identify and delete links for you - for a cost obviously. Has anyone had any experience with this service? Will this be worthwhile?
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    This is probably going to be worthwhile as I doubt they can really remove all those backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author redstanford
    so you think it won't benefit me?
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  • Profile picture of the author GodMode52
    They are just running this new Penguin hype and as you can see their fees are for ''Link delete requests'', they are simply sending hundred of mails requesting backlink delete. Useless.
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    • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
      Originally Posted by GodMode52 View Post

      They are just running this new Penguin hype and as you can see their fees are for ''Link delete requests'', they are simply sending hundred of mails requesting backlink delete. Useless.
      lol - that is funny. what do you propose websites with unnatural link penalties do?
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  • Profile picture of the author redstanford
    Well it may be better than me trying to do it. I wouldn't even know how to identify a bad link if it looked me in the eye.
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  • Profile picture of the author redstanford
    anyone else have an opinion or experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Let's try a bit of logic here. It was links that were the cause of your ranking in the first place. Removing those links will remove the 'juice' that gave you the rankings. Removing the links might get you out of the 'penalty' but how exactly will you regain rankings without links?
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    • Profile picture of the author redstanford
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      Let's try a bit of logic here. It was links that were the cause of your ranking in the first place. Removing those links will remove the 'juice' that gave you the rankings. Removing the links might get you out of the 'penalty' but how exactly will you regain rankings without links?

      Ok i hear what you're saying but the jist of what your saying is "bad links are better than no links?"
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by redstanford View Post

        Ok i hear what you're saying but the jist of what your saying is "bad links are better than no links?"
        He's saying if that you want recovery, you need to not only remove bad links, but also acquire links that are more in-line with Google's guidelines or at least ones that fake it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trabalhodigital
      Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

      Let's try a bit of logic here. It was links that were the cause of your ranking in the first place. Removing those links will remove the 'juice' that gave you the rankings. Removing the links might get you out of the 'penalty' but how exactly will you regain rankings without links?
      Shoudnt the ranking starts to raise by only deleting the bad links ?
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by Trabalhodigital View Post

        Shoudnt the ranking starts to raise by only deleting the bad links ?
        The penalty should start to lift, but whether the rankings will start going back to where they were is unknown.

        It seems logical that the links were causing the site to rank in the first place. That said, this whole 'area of study' is pretty new. For years everyone was taught to 'build links.' Now they're being re-trained to remove them
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
    I've actually used this service for a client of mine. They actually do a hell of a lot more than "send link requests"

    My client decided to buy some spam links of Fiverr and then came running to me when they figured out that they got the WMT warning notice. Since I didn't want to waste time doing this, I tried linkdelete.com. Here is how it worked when i did it:

    About 5 days after signing up, they sent a backlink report that was sorted by the type of links that they thought should be removed. (They must rate them by spammyness or something). From that list, I got to select which links I wanted them to remove.

    Over the next few weeks, they worked with webmasters through various methods to try and remove the links while documenting it the whole time. This was key for me since I could take that to my client, show them what was done and then bill them.

    The final report had the time of contact, method of contact, finally if it was successful. a high percentage of the entire list was fixed.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post

      I've actually used this service for a client of mine. They actually do a hell of a lot more than "send link requests"

      My client decided to buy some spam links of Fiverr and then came running to me when they figured out that they got the WMT warning notice. Since I didn't want to waste time doing this, I tried linkdelete.com. Here is how it worked when i did it:

      About 5 days after signing up, they sent a backlink report that was sorted by the type of links that they thought should be removed. (They must rate them by spammyness or something). From that list, I got to select which links I wanted them to remove.

      Over the next few weeks, they worked with webmasters through various methods to try and remove the links while documenting it the whole time. This was key for me since I could take that to my client, show them what was done and then bill them.

      The final report had the time of contact, method of contact, finally if it was successful. a high percentage of the entire list was fixed.
      What was your total cost for link removal?
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    • Profile picture of the author finch21
      Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post

      I've actually used this service for a client of mine. They actually do a hell of a lot more than "send link requests"

      My client decided to buy some spam links of Fiverr and then came running to me when they figured out that they got the WMT warning notice. Since I didn't want to waste time doing this, I tried linkdelete.com. Here is how it worked when i did it:

      About 5 days after signing up, they sent a backlink report that was sorted by the type of links that they thought should be removed. (They must rate them by spammyness or something). From that list, I got to select which links I wanted them to remove.

      Over the next few weeks, they worked with webmasters through various methods to try and remove the links while documenting it the whole time. This was key for me since I could take that to my client, show them what was done and then bill them.

      The final report had the time of contact, method of contact, finally if it was successful. a high percentage of the entire list was fixed.
      Hi Mikeys: With your clients $57 linkdelete package it says 200 linkdelete requests. Do you remember how many links were removed?
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  • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
    here the thing: you need to remove bad backlinks if you received unnatural link warning. that what this service is designed for.

    i paid someone on odesk to do the same thing that linkdelete does and i paid 10x what they are charging. this was right after the warnings were rolled out though. if you got an unnatural link warning you must clean up your links. it is that cut and dry.

    after cleaning up those links (and providing examples of how and what you have done) you submit a reinclusion request.

    you can win these if you pay someone like i did to clean up your bad backlinks. if you don't and file a reinclusion nothing will happen and you'll likely lose the window of opportunity.
    this advice is for sites with unnatural link warning. you cannot get out of this unnatural link warning by building more artificial links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
      Originally Posted by DizenSounds View Post

      here the thing: you need to remove bad backlinks if you received unnatural link warning. that what this service is designed for.

      i paid someone on odesk to do the same thing that linkdelete does and i paid 10x what they are charging. this was right after the warnings were rolled out though. if you got an unnatural link warning you must clean up your links. it is that cut and dry.

      after cleaning up those links (and providing examples of how and what you have done) you submit a reinclusion request.

      you can win these if you pay someone like i did to clean up your bad backlinks. if you don't and file a reinclusion nothing will happen and you'll likely lose the window of opportunity.
      this advice is for sites with unnatural link warning. you cannot get out of this unnatural link warning by building more artificial links.
      I agree, this is what I used as proof to take to google when I applied for my reconsideration request. Have to show that you made a significant effort to resolve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Would anyone recommend linkdelete.com for Penguin affected sites or is it only worth using if you recieved an unnatural link notice?

    What do they do more than just asking the webmaster to remove the links?
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    • Profile picture of the author finch21
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      Would anyone recommend linkdelete.com for Penguin affected sites or is it only worth using if you recieved an unnatural link notice?

      What do they do more than just asking the webmaster to remove the links?
      Hi Cooler,

      I contacted linkdelete.com for similar reasons to yourself. This is what they told me

      1/the link that is connected to the domain
      Yes, we send the URL that the link can be found on to help make the Webmasters have an easier time identifying where the links need to be removed. We also keep track of the time of contact, how we contacted, whether email, contact form or whatever method we used and other vital information.

      2/Correspondence to the web master of the website
      We DON'T have the actual email we used in the final report, but we do show all other information AND information about whether they respond or not to the request and what their response is.

      3/Confirmation that the link has been removed.
      Yes, we do a final check towards the end of the month and show the status of removal. Do keep in mind that when we check for links removed and the time frame that they are usually removed differ. For example, we send out all the requests for removal and then about 4-7 days later check the status and send you, the client, the final report. At times it can take 2+ weeks to have the webmaster remove the links.

      I to am looking to utilise their services but would appreciate some feedback from clients on wf :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author syedmuntajib
    Once the link have been indexed by Google, we cannot delete its value. So I think the software cannot detect which link has a good value and which link dont. Rather If you can manually try it could be helpful. But on the whole I dont think that your site would come back even if you removed all the spam links. So try to build a new site keeping in mind the new algorithm.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by syedmuntajib View Post

      Once the link have been indexed by Google, we cannot delete its value. So I think the software cannot detect which link has a good value and which link dont. Rather If you can manually try it could be helpful. But on the whole I dont think that your site would come back even if you removed all the spam links. So try to build a new site keeping in mind the new algorithm.
      When people recieve an unnatural links notice in GWT, Google specifically tell people to remove bad links so you must be able to delete its value.

      Why wouldn't a site come back if you remove all the spam links? Penguin is an algorithmic penalty, it isn't a permanant penalty. Probably a combination of variables which trigger it, two of the most likely in most cases being anchor text over optimization and link quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
      Originally Posted by syedmuntajib View Post

      Once the link have been indexed by Google, we cannot delete its value. So I think the software cannot detect which link has a good value and which link dont. Rather If you can manually try it could be helpful. But on the whole I dont think that your site would come back even if you removed all the spam links. So try to build a new site keeping in mind the new algorithm.
      Start a new website? Thats crazy!

      I know for a fact it works, it worked wonders for my client. Also, they didn't use software to decide what to remove. It seemed as if very little of the process was automated. They sent me a detailed report of all my backlinks and then gave me suggestions as to what should be removed. At the end of the day, I had the final say as to what links I wanted to be removed (which was pretty much the same as their suggestions.)
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by Mikeys View Post

        Start a new website? Thats crazy!

        I know for a fact it works, it worked wonders for my client. Also, they didn't use software to decide what to remove. It seemed as if very little of the process was automated. They sent me a detailed report of all my backlinks and then gave me suggestions as to what should be removed. At the end of the day, I had the final say as to what links I wanted to be removed (which was pretty much the same as their suggestions.)
        It would be interesting to know, what type of links did they suggest that you remove? Were they links on sites with a high OBL or was it links with a low PR, links on sites with irrelevant content, etc..
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        • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
          Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

          It would be interesting to know, what type of links did they suggest that you remove? Were they links on sites with a high OBL or was it links with a low PR, links on sites with irrelevant content, etc..
          The odd thing with my experience was that the majority blatantly looked like spam, but some of them for whatever reason still had some PR and not a huge amount of OBL. They must have somehow been connected though to trigger it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
      Originally Posted by syedmuntajib View Post

      Once the link have been indexed by Google, we cannot delete its value. So I think the software cannot detect which link has a good value and which link dont. Rather If you can manually try it could be helpful. But on the whole I dont think that your site would come back even if you removed all the spam links. So try to build a new site keeping in mind the new algorithm.
      LOL - what?

      This is a service that removes the LINKS. Its for people that received the unnatural link warning from Google.

      You can come back, but its either you do it or you find a service like the one mentioned in this thread.

      For some of us, building a new site isn't an option. We have established brands, you don't just got out and build a new site.

      If you have some little MNS, then sure. For the rest of us we need to play by Googles rules and clean up those links. That's why this service exists.
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  • Profile picture of the author plsearch
    well i just signed up, i'll let you know how it goes. My sites links are full of chinese blog comments and forum sigs, so I'll be impressed if they make any sort of dent.
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    • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
      Originally Posted by plsearch View Post

      well i just signed up, i'll let you know how it goes. My sites links are full of chinese blog comments and forum sigs, so I'll be impressed if they make any sort of dent.
      Were you penalized with a unnatural link warning from GOogle?
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  • Profile picture of the author michael1311
    Hi Plsearch...how did you go with linkdelete?
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    • Profile picture of the author mikebundrant
      I used linkdelete.com for several months and applied for reconsideration - denied three times. LinkDelete did it's job though, until I was late submitting my links for removal. Then, NO REPLY and $450 down the drain.

      I've been trying for two weeks to get a hold of them so they can finish what I paid them to do and to no avail.

      TRUE, I delayed submitting my links for removal but to get no service and no reply and be out this sum of $$$ is - well - wrong in my book.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by mikebundrant View Post

        I used linkdelete.com for several months and applied for reconsideration - denied three times. LinkDelete did it's job though, until I was late submitting my links for removal. Then, NO REPLY and $450 down the drain.

        I've been trying for two weeks to get a hold of them so they can finish what I paid them to do and to no avail.

        TRUE, I delayed submitting my links for removal but to get no service and no reply and be out this sum of $$$ is - well - wrong in my book.
        For another $450, I can put all the links they deleted for you back.

        Anyone who,

        SPAMS,
        RANKS,
        GETS SLAPPED,

        Should have contingencies in place. You burned your house. Build a new one. Stop looking for the arm off the couch, and go shopping for new furniture.

        Not only do you get slapped. But then you nail the coffin. With omissions of guilt. By sending Google file after file of urls, you spammed, or paid some $99 a month SEO guy to do for you.
        1. You out yourself as being an SEO (Someone out to game the SERPs), by plugging yourself into Google Webmaster/ Analytics in the first place.
        2. Build a load of dodgey links that get you slapped.
        3. Then submit all the lists you can grab from your fiverr shopping cart you can find. And send Google the confirmation that, their suspicions of you being a Blackhat spam monkey. Where true.

        A Shovel My Lord?
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  • Profile picture of the author anhkevin
    Mhmm is it much worth the time to restart the niche with a new domain or try recover it :\
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
    How can they remove all bad backlinks? most bad backlinks are not even listed in google webmaster tools. Once google punishes you or deranks your site there is pretty much no coming back. I haven't seen a legit recovery story yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author netanel23
      Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

      How can they remove all bad backlinks? most bad backlinks are not even listed in google webmaster tools. Once google punishes you or deranks your site there is pretty much no coming back. I haven't seen a legit recovery story yet.
      I had good results with link delete- they didn't remove all of the links because that is impossible and Google doesn't expect you to remove all of your links.

      My website received unnatural link warning because of SAPE links I bought, so I removed those but still Google told me I had more links that were bad. Thats why I just used a service to handle the link removals. I dont have time for that!

      I have another site that has penalty - does anyone know if I can get a discount for link delete?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
      Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

      How can they remove all bad backlinks? most bad backlinks are not even listed in google webmaster tools. Once google punishes you or deranks your site there is pretty much no coming back. I haven't seen a legit recovery story yet.
      I've recovered from a slap. I had to move the content to another domain though. I was able to 301 pages (not the domain) from the slapped site to the new one. I don't know why it worked but it definitely worked.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Genius
    I'm the owner of Unlink | Link Removal Service

    You can try giving our service a go if you don't want to contact the webmasters yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author blingo
    Do you have brand equity tied up on this website? If so, then going through the recovery process may be worthwhile. I'll warn though, I've done it and it can be incredibly painstaking.

    Unless you have serious brand equity tied up on your website, I'd build a new website. Often times, the turnaround on this option will take less time.

    Here's an analogy:

    You buy a real estate property. It has a great location, great profit potential. But it's rundown and decrepit. The repairs to get it back to the right condition will be enormous. So much so, that it might be more economical and timely to bulldoze the property and rebuild.

    Now: It could be that the structure is a historic landmark and has so much value that the repairs ARE economical. It could also be that the cost of the repairs are less than starting over.

    That's something YOU have to decide.

    Too many people in business become too attached. There's no reason to be attached to a site.

    The question is simple: Is it more timely and economic to gut the building and repair, or to bulldoze and rebuild? (Don't let your emotions of "oh, the website was my baby" play into the decision).

    My thoughts anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
      Originally Posted by blingo View Post

      Do you have brand equity tied up on this website? If so, then going through the recovery process may be worthwhile. I'll warn though, I've done it and it can be incredibly painstaking.

      Unless you have serious brand equity tied up on your website, I'd build a new website. Often times, the turnaround on this option will take less time.

      Here's an analogy:

      You buy a real estate property. It has a great location, great profit potential. But it's rundown and decrepit. The repairs to get it back to the right condition will be enormous. So much so, that it might be more economical and timely to bulldoze the property and rebuild.

      Now: It could be that the structure is a historic landmark and has so much value that the repairs ARE economical. It could also be that the cost of the repairs are less than starting over.

      That's something YOU have to decide.

      Too many people in business become too attached. There's no reason to be attached to a site.

      The question is simple: Is it more timely and economic to gut the building and repair, or to bulldoze and rebuild? (Don't let your emotions of "oh, the website was my baby" play into the decision).

      My thoughts anyway.
      I would disagree with you, fixing my site was the best thing I could have done.

      You've already got your business, foundation, location and everything else built. Someone comes along and steals all of your product but you've been in business for years. Do you shut down because this happened? I hope not.

      Starting over is much harder than fixing the problem. Unless you are a site that has 100k crappy links and nothing of value then sure start over. But my rankings recovered to preexisting positions and I'm on track to have higher rankings than before. I was able to maintain my Bing rankings as well as keep my preexisting traffic from people that bought from me before.

      Starting over means more than just SEO and more often than not people forget about that.
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