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$240 Per Day With Adsense

by Mosa
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Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
#$240 #adsense #day
  • Profile picture of the author smd10
    $150 a day is not bad going when you were at $80 the previous month. You nearly doubled your money. Do that every month and i am sure you would be happy with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author avirdi1987
    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*…. Not yet. We didn’t even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
    I've just began with Adsense and this is hugely inspirational . $100+/day is my target for the next few months. You say you guys have around 60 sites right now? Thanks Mosa.

    Edit: Was going through your website (which is awesome by the way) and was wondering which backlinking method you found to be the best out of the magic submitter, micro niche empire and pat flynn's method? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author PatrickLSO
    You'll get there. If you went from 80 to 150. Just do whatever you did a couple more times and you'll get there.

    And like Avirdi said, you have a thread documenting this? I'd like to know your strategy.

    Authority site with your own blog network? That's my guess.

    Anyways, goodluck getting to $250
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    I wouldn't be too bummed about nearly doubling your profit in the span of one month.
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  • Profile picture of the author d0de
    hey,

    If you don't mind, I'll paste my question from the old thread


    Originally Posted by d0de View Post

    Mosa, thanks for this thread, very interesting information and I will continue to follow it closely.

    Do you have any links for Magic Submitter tutorials? I've been considering purchasing it because my current backlinking strats are incredibly laborious and not very effective. However, I'd like to get as much out of the trial period as possible, so I'd kind of like to learn the ropes before purchase.

    Also, is the trial limited in functionality?

    I've currently been working on a niche site that I was planning on adding articles to and trying to build a mini authority site. However, I'm having trouble ranking at #1, currently at #4 and not getting any near the traffic that I'd hoped.

    I also have a question about CPC. Up until now, I've been focusing mainly on competition and traffic, and many of the niches I've considered targeting are attractive in these areas, but have a very low CPC.

    For example, my next planned site is targeting a niche with 30k exact monthly searches. I'm confident I can get top 3 and have a good shot at reaching #1, but the AWCPC is well under $1. Is there a problem with very low CPC niches if the traffic is high enough?

    Finally, when you recommend taking a partial match .com .org or .net over an exact match .info or .biz, is that based on your intuition or your experience? I've read that all TLDs that arent' country specific should rank equally well for EMD. Is this wrong, or do you have other considerations?

    Thanks for your thread, looking forward to your response with keen interest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by avirdi1987 View Post

      I've just began with Adsense and this is hugely inspirational . $100+/day is my target for the next few months. You say you guys have around 60 sites right now? Thanks Mosa.

      Edit: Was going through your website (which is awesome by the way) and was wondering which backlinking method you found to be the best out of the magic submitter, micro niche empire and pat flynn's method? Thanks
      At the moment we have two methods of building backlinks that seem to work well. One of them is magic submitter, which utilizes a strategy similar to pat flynn's method. The other is we have a VA that builds high PR software links.


      Originally Posted by PatrickLSO View Post

      You'll get there. If you went from 80 to 150. Just do whatever you did a couple more times and you'll get there.

      And like Avirdi said, you have a thread documenting this? I'd like to know your strategy.

      Authority site with your own blog network? That's my guess.

      Anyways, goodluck getting to $250
      I agree that having your own private blog network is the ultimate link building strategy. This is why we're in the process of building one. We'll probably use it to rank Authority sites though, rather than micro niche sites, but who knows...we'll run some tests and post results on that as soon as we have any.


      Originally Posted by d0de View Post

      hey,

      If you don't mind, I'll paste my question from the old thread
      The tutorials that magic submitter provides will teach you everything you need to know to use them. As far as what specific strategy we use with Magic Submitter for MNS (micro niche sites), i'm considering creating a video and releasing it to our blog readers soon. It's pretty basic. I believe that Magic Submitter's trial is the full version without any limits.

      As far as your question on CPC, if you feel you can rank for a keyword that gets 30k in traffic, go for it. A general calculation you can do is CPC x Exact Local Searches = 1000. For example 3000 exact local searches x $0.35 CPC equals more than 1000, so I would go for it if I feel I can rank.

      As for your last questions about TLDs. We only go for .com, .net, .org. If those are unavailable we go for partial match domains. To be honest, we've never bought an EMD of .info or .biz. So our suggestion is not based on personal experience. We figured that enough people mentioned this as a standard - so we just followed suit. I have come across EMD .infos and .biz ranked in the top of google, but my assumption is that you'll need a stronger backlinking plan to get these guys to the top.
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      • Profile picture of the author conners88
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        The tutorials that magic submitter provides will teach you everything you need to know to use them. As far as what specific strategy we use with Magic Submitter for MNS (micro niche sites), i'm considering creating a video and releasing it to our blog readers soon. It's pretty basic. I believe that Magic Submitter's trial is the full version without any limits.
        The trial limits you in that it only allows you to submit to 10 sites in each catagory.
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    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
    Who is "We"? You keep saying "we" in your posts...are you more than one?
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesbrands
      Great work,

      Been reading your blog and see that you have started to sell off some of the sites.

      Starting to do a similar thing myself, and you guys along with the adsense flippers provide a great resource.

      Cheers
      James Brands

      @webmonopoly "We" is Treover who is mentioned at the top of the post you quoted :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

      Who is "We"? You keep saying "we" in your posts...are you more than one?
      I'm referring to my partner, Trevor and I. I really should get him to start making a presence online, haha.
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    Wow. Your success is pretty amazing.
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  • Profile picture of the author teamheroic
    $80 to $150 is still quite a jump, good luck into reaching $240 and beyond!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by Jmart11 View Post

      how big are these niche sites?
      We start them off with a single 1000 word article. If the site start ranking high on the first page and is earning money from adsense, then we'll add a couple more articles.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        We start them off with a single 1000 word article. If the site start ranking high on the first page and is earning money from adsense, then we'll add a couple more articles.
        Great job on your success. A few questions if you don't mind.

        1. So this single 1000 word article is it targeting your main keyword that you are using as your EMD? Are you guys still doing your onpage SEO with this article with 1-2% kw density, bolding, underlining, using it in 1st sentence, last sentence..etc. plus throwing in a few LSI keywords as well?

        2. Will this article be static on the homepage if you see the site ranking/making money?

        3. When you add additional posts do these target additional LSI keywords? Are these also 1000 word articles or less?

        4. Also when you don't get a EMD do you add a suffix or prefix letter or word to the keyword? Have you noticed any better rankings with just adding an extra "X" or number after the keyword rather than a whole word before or after?

        5. When your sites are first indexed are they typically ranked in the top 100 of the SERPs for it's main keyword (before doing any backlinking) or are you seeing sites rank on 1st page as well with just that one article?

        6. As far as themes go, are you using one theme for all sites or mixing up different themes? Are you using the CTR or Clickbump type of themes at all?
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        • Profile picture of the author kickmoney
          $112 from 1900 page views....dang.

          If I had that kinda ca$h for the pageviews I'm getting I'd be a millionaire lol.
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            Originally Posted by kickmoney View Post

            $112 from 1900 page views....dang.

            If I had that kinda ca$h for the pageviews I'm getting I'd be a millionaire lol.
            Same here... on one of my networks i get about 500k adsense impressions served monthly, but the conversion rate is very small.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by Vlad Romanov View Post

          Hey Mosa I like your take on things, and the positive attitude, congrats with making such an income. I have been struggling to make it happen with amazon sites.

          Are you worried at all that so many people are getting banne from Adsense without explanation? Are you planning to diversify your plan into amazon and clickbank or other affiliates?

          Anyhow, looking forward to your guide,
          Vlad
          Well, we are planning on diversifying our sites. Right now it's just easiest for us to find keywords for adsense. We have tried amazon a little and we do plan on building our amazon income quite a bit more, but we're not actively looking for amazon keywords. If we run into a keyword that can be used for amazon then great, but if not, then we don't stress about it.

          Are we worried about getting banned? Well not really. Business has everything to do about taking some risks. Sometimes you just never know what's going to happen. What I do believe is that the whole amazon banning thing is being blown out of proportion. I think that for every 1 person that gets banned, there's several thousands of people that don't get banned. So I feel that our odds are good. If we happen to be the unlucky ones, then we'll move on. Like I said, every business has it's risks... if you're not willing to take risks your businesses potential will be drastically limited.

          Originally Posted by bhtex71 View Post

          Mosa, I just signed up for your email list and added you on my skype. I would love to learn more about your methods for making money with Adsense. Are you still planning on releasing a course? I think I saw a post on your website about it? If so, when do you think you will release it?

          One more question, about rankings and the google page algorithm update it has made for Adsense ads. What size ad units are you guys using and typically where are you placing them?
          Well, I released part of the keyword research portion on our site already. I'm debating on whether or not to release the rest of the tutorial in the same manner though because we didn't get that great of a response on that post. I may end up teaching a private course to a select few people that I know will take action and make use of it... or I may turn it into our first WSO. Maybe we'll still release it free to those on our mailing list... it's really all up in the air at the moment.

          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Great job on your success. A few questions if you don't mind.

          1. So this single 1000 word article is it targeting your main keyword that you are using as your EMD? Are you guys still doing your onpage SEO with this article with 1-2% kw density, bolding, underlining, using it in 1st sentence, last sentence..etc. plus throwing in a few LSI keywords as well?

          2. Will this article be static on the homepage if you see the site ranking/making money?

          3. When you add additional posts do these target additional LSI keywords? Are these also 1000 word articles or less?

          4. Also when you don't get a EMD do you add a suffix or prefix letter or word to the keyword? Have you noticed any better rankings with just adding an extra "X" or number after the keyword rather than a whole word before or after?

          5. When your sites are first indexed are they typically ranked in the top 100 of the SERPs for it's main keyword (before doing any backlinking) or are you seeing sites rank on 1st page as well with just that one article?

          6. As far as themes go, are you using one theme for all sites or mixing up different themes? Are you using the CTR or Clickbump type of themes at all?
          1. Yea, the 1000 word article targets the main keyword which is the same as the EMD. We use a 1% keyword density now. We bold once, and use it in the first and last sentence if it flows well. Lsi keywords will always be important. We don't underline the keyword anymore.

          2. The first article is static on the homepage.

          3. Additional articles do target additional keywords. These articles are 500 words in length.

          4. We like EMDs the most. Despite the whole argument that EMDs are not that important, we still seem to find that they rank better and easier than partial match domains. With partial match domains we have never used "x" or a number as a suffix or prefix on the domain, so I can't really comment on that. We have used "best, pro, hq, top" and a few others... but have not seen any difference in ranking that's worth mentioning.

          5. When the sites are first indexed, I actually don't know where the sites start off at... somewhere in the abyss I think. It will normally be about a week after it's indexed before the site shows up anywhere in the top 100. Also I should mention that we've typically been backlinking sites right after they get indexed, which is 1-3 days after building it. The reason I know that some sites rank without backlinks is because I'll sometimes forget about a site and forget to backlink it.

          6. We're mostly using the Niche Website Theme. But we also like CTR and Prosense. I've tried bluesense also, but I didn't like it. We haven't used any of the clickbump themes yet...but we should definitely try them out soon.
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          • Profile picture of the author viralmarketing
            Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

            5. When the sites are first indexed, I actually don't know where the sites start off at... somewhere in the abyss I think. It will normally be about a week after it's indexed before the site shows up anywhere in the top 100. Also I should mention that we've typically been backlinking sites right after they get indexed, which is 1-3 days after building it. The reason I know that some sites rank without backlinks is because I'll sometimes forget about a site and forget to backlink it.

            Do you also have your adsense codes on the sites from the start as well? Or do you wait for your sites to get ranked before adding them, ive heard your typically supposed to wait a couple of weeks AFTER the site is ranked to place your adsense codes.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mosa
              Originally Posted by viralmarketing View Post

              Do you also have your adsense codes on the sites from the start as well? Or do you wait for your sites to get ranked before adding them, ive heard your typically supposed to wait a couple of weeks AFTER the site is ranked to place your adsense codes.
              I use to wait till we got ranked to add adsense, but now I just add it after about a week. Since we started building so many sites, it's a pain in the butt to check the rankings on all the sites. I think we should invest in a ranking tool that keeps track of it automatically...i believe there are some good ones out there. Anyone have any suggestions for us?
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              • Profile picture of the author JDIZM
                Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

                Since we started building so many sites, it's a pain in the butt to check the rankings on all the sites. I think we should invest in a ranking tool that keeps track of it automatically...i believe there are some good ones out there. Anyone have any suggestions for us?
                If you haven't tried it I would suggest looking at microsite masters, this is pretty much what your looking for. Hands off solution to keyword tracking and you record when your doing your seo blasts for each project.

                btw nice thread you have here man, good job on your earnings
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                • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                  Originally Posted by JDIZM View Post

                  If you haven't tried it I would suggest looking at microsite masters, this is pretty much what your looking for. Hands off solution to keyword tracking and you record when your doing your seo blasts for each project.

                  btw nice thread you have here man, good job on your earnings
                  Thanks for the suggestion, Jdizm. I like the into video they have. I'll check out their free version of it and see if I like it.
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                Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

                I use to wait till we got ranked to add adsense, but now I just add it after about a week. Since we started building so many sites, it's a pain in the butt to check the rankings on all the sites. I think we should invest in a ranking tool that keeps track of it automatically...i believe there are some good ones out there. Anyone have any suggestions for us?
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  • Profile picture of the author slomo
    Hi
    The other is we have a VA that builds high PR software links.
    What software is he using and what sort of backlinks is he creating?
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    Nice! Are you still using Magic Submitter?
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  • Profile picture of the author risingrank
    this is encouraging. a small niche site can earn more than $100 a day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by slomo View Post

      Hi
      The other is we have a VA that builds high PR software links.
      What software is he using and what sort of backlinks is he creating?
      Well they create simple software such as a simple game or even a powerpoint presentation, submit them to software sites, and then leave a backlink from the post.

      Originally Posted by conners88 View Post

      The trial limits you in that it only allows you to submit to 10 sites in each catagory.
      Thanks for the clarification Conners!

      Originally Posted by axix245 View Post

      great success,which topic you consider for this earning process,i think some competitive keyword,but it's very difficult to get no 1 position within a mionth with some competitive keywords...
      We don't go for any competitive keywords. Pretty much just stick to the low competition. The topics we go for are all over the place and may range from household items to celebrity gossip.

      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Nice! Are you still using Magic Submitter?
      Yea, we feel that it gives us a full range to customize and test our backlinking. As far as automating the backlinking process, it rocks!

      Originally Posted by risingrank View Post

      this is encouraging. a small niche site can earn more than $100 a day.
      Hmmm...I don't know about one niche site earning 100 per day - it's possible that it's out there somewhere though. Our best niche site earns over $250 per month though. We also have several others that are earning quite similarly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    Hey Mosa I like your take on things, and the positive attitude, congrats with making such an income. I have been struggling to make it happen with amazon sites.

    Are you worried at all that so many people are getting banne from Adsense without explanation? Are you planning to diversify your plan into amazon and clickbank or other affiliates?

    Anyhow, looking forward to your guide,
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  • Profile picture of the author bhtex71
    Mosa, I just signed up for your email list and added you on my skype. I would love to learn more about your methods for making money with Adsense. Are you still planning on releasing a course? I think I saw a post on your website about it? If so, when do you think you will release it?

    One more question, about rankings and the google page algorithm update it has made for Adsense ads. What size ad units are you guys using and typically where are you placing them?
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by rankprodigy View Post

      $112 from 1,900 page views? Bit fishy.
      I believe it is doable if they are getting 15% CTR and avg of $0.40 per click. I know from my experience with Adsense and using Clickbump theme I would get CTRs of 15-20% and was able to make like $80 per day with just 1200 impressions. Of course some of the sites were in the insurance and other high cpc niches.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by rankprodigy View Post

        $112 from 1,900 page views? Bit fishy.
        It's all about the keyword research. I have several sites with a CTR rate well over 20%. And I have some sites with CPCs well over $1. If you do enough keyword research you find good niches that you know are winners and you build the heck out of those winning niches.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          It's all about the keyword research. I have several sites with a CTR rate well over 20%. And I have some sites with CPCs well over $1. If you do enough keyword research you find good niches that you know are winners and you build the heck out of those winning niches.
          One question I had about your keyword research method from watching your videos is that when you took a look at EMDs that were already taken and were setup as sniper sites, but weren't ranking do you always skip that niche even though all the pieces tell you that is easy to get into the top 10?

          I ask this because after this whole Penguin update many of these EMDs that were previously ranking on page 1 are now nowhere to be seen and if you had run the Long Tail Pro before the update those sites would have been there and your decision might have been different back then compared to now.

          When I'm doing my kw research I always do that and check those top 3 domain extensions when they were taken if the there is an actual site there and why they weren't ranking. But at times I went ahead with that niche and got a PMD and built the site and I was able to rank easily with my site while those other sites were not able to rank for some reason. So I don't think we should really rely on that data of other EMDs not ranking and choose not to go into that niche. I think if the research shows it's easy to get into the top 10 even if those .com/.net/.org EMDs are not ranking for some reason.

          What's your feedback?
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          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          It's all about the keyword research. I have several sites with a CTR rate well over 20%. And I have some sites with CPCs well over $1. If you do enough keyword research you find good niches that you know are winners and you build the heck out of those winning niches.
          Or I can just pay someone to do it for me! :-)

          There are some great site builders on here that I can't wait to get started with. I just have to do some SEO each month and I think I'd be ok. I need like 20 sites!

          BTW, congrats man! You'll get to $240 in no time!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mosa
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            A personal site? Dont have one yet, no clue what it would contain. Some people have suggested I create a blog and blog about my processes for adsense sites, but there are plenty out there already. Plus I rather concentrate on building out more sites than writing a blog. Now Im trying to concentrate on building out an amazon product review site, just launched yesterday. Feel stupid though as I still dont have a grasp on this. But hopefully I can figure it out, right now its just a site with a couple of product reviews from amazon.
            Yea, we suck at amazon too, haha! Just haven't taken the time to learn it well yet. I keep saying we're gonna learn it soon, but there's just so much going on right now and it's not really a top priority.

            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            I dont want to steal this thread, just wanted to update Mora where I was and wanted to see if he saw a spike this month as well. However if you want to know, pm me your questions and I can answer the best I can.
            I'm not worried about that at all. I'd love to hear your stuff and learn. I'm always open to hearing new ideas and advise so post away

            Originally Posted by marketforus1 View Post

            Or I can just pay someone to do it for me! :-)

            There are some great site builders on here that I can't wait to get started with. I just have to do some SEO each month and I think I'd be ok. I need like 20 sites!

            BTW, congrats man! You'll get to $240 in no time!
            Yea, I know some people do sell their keywords. Just make sure those guys are doing it right and not fooling people with keywords that are not really low competition. There are a lot of people that still think that by simply finding a keyword with phrase match competition of under 50k they automatically have a winner.
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  • Profile picture of the author nerbie
    Wow thats great achievement already if that was my earning per day. I also dreamth of getting maybe $100 a day for the remaining months of this year.


    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post


    2. The first article is static on the homepage.
    thanks for this mosa : I always been thinking that a static article with keywords on the homepage would make sense. Since all of my blogsites are using wordpress and homepage content keep on changing when new updates are posted I noticed once in awhile my ranking move up and down. I think putting my best article on the homepage would actually work.
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    how many sites? good job man
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      I've been following your progress a while. The main thing people should take from this (as with so many other projects/performance diaries) is that techniques are not as important as action.

      The 3 stepping stones to success are basically always the same: research, execution, analysis. I guess everyone knows that. What a lot of people miss is that organisation is the foundation on which these stones need to be laid.

      Projects like yours, and many others, are good examples that working seriously with a business oriented setup pays off.

      Too many miss ( or skip because it is often tedious) the analysis part, which includes testing and therefore hooks into research.

      Good work, best of luck progressing further.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        One question I had about your keyword research method from watching your videos is that when you took a look at EMDs that were already taken and were setup as sniper sites, but weren't ranking do you always skip that niche even though all the pieces tell you that is easy to get into the top 10?

        I ask this because after this whole Penguin update many of these EMDs that were previously ranking on page 1 are now nowhere to be seen and if you had run the Long Tail Pro before the update those sites would have been there and your decision might have been different back then compared to now.

        When I'm doing my kw research I always do that and check those top 3 domain extensions when they were taken if the there is an actual site there and why they weren't ranking. But at times I went ahead with that niche and got a PMD and built the site and I was able to rank easily with my site while those other sites were not able to rank for some reason. So I don't think we should really rely on that data of other EMDs not ranking and choose not to go into that niche. I think if the research shows it's easy to get into the top 10 even if those .com/.net/.org EMDs are not ranking for some reason.

        What's your feedback?
        You're absolutely right on that. In the video I think I mentioned that you can check the backlink profiles of the sites that have fallen to see if they got hit by the new Penguin standards. The general take away though is that if the taken EMDs looked like they couldn't rank well even though they seemingly did everything right, then it starts to become closer to a guessing game and our success rate would probably drop if we tried to go for them. Actually we have gone for them before and we have ranked. We have also not ranked for some of these as well. I could probably go into detail about what factors were at play here as well, but for the tutorial I tried to keep it simple. I may release some advanced tactics soon though... If you're brand new to building sites and you don't have much to spend, I would try to keep a high % of success


        Originally Posted by prodigy1290 View Post

        how many sites? good job man
        I don't have the exact number, but I know we're nearing 200... not all are completed though.

        Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

        I've been following your progress a while. The main thing people should take from this (as with so many other projects/performance diaries) is that techniques are not as important as action.

        The 3 stepping stones to success are basically always the same: research, execution, analysis. I guess everyone knows that. What a lot of people miss is that organisation is the foundation on which these stones need to be laid.

        Projects like yours, and many others, are good examples that working seriously with a business oriented setup pays off.

        Too many miss ( or skip because it is often tedious) the analysis part, which includes testing and therefore hooks into research.

        Good work, best of luck progressing further.
        Definitely great advice. And you're right, organization is VERY important - especially once you start scaling. Actually now that you've mentioned that, I should probably make a post about that sometime.
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    This thread is pretty awesome, would be happy with $80/day!!!!!

    Let alone 150/day.

    Well done.

    Would definitely consider buying one of your WSOs.
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    Simply WOW... You guys really commit to it greatly... while me, i'm just doing it slowly and surely, hopefully... And freely too, because i still can't afford that many SEO services yet, so i'm doing it by myself manually.
    But your post here and after visiting you wsotester site, i've learned many things, thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it, but i have one question for you, what is the most important, backlinks or regular articles addition to our sites?
    Because up till now i have only one article that ranks as high as top ten on google and sent quite a number of visitors to my site, but still i don't really know what does the magic, you know? I'm still trying to understand how google works, lol.

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    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
    That isn't bad. Great to hear your niche sites are still doing well with penguin updates.

    Just a quick question, how many sites are you maintaining for the $150/day. I would suggest scaling these niche sites up to an authority site after you find the specific niches/sites that play well. (still maintain the rest but see which one has a higher return in terms of CPC and CTR then try to scale those up)
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    Ive been trying to make some earnings with adsense but my accounts always seem to get disabled, and I was only making maybe $1-$3 per month. Any tips on how your making so much more per day/month would be appreciated
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by TomBuck View Post

      This thread is pretty awesome, would be happy with $80/day!!!!!

      Let alone 150/day.

      Well done.

      Would definitely consider buying one of your WSOs.
      Thanks for the compliment. We really appreciate it, even though we don't have any WSO's

      Originally Posted by itobun View Post

      Simply WOW... You guys really commit to it greatly... while me, i'm just doing it slowly and surely, hopefully... And freely too, because i still can't afford that many SEO services yet, so i'm doing it by myself manually.
      But your post here and after visiting you wsotester site, i've learned many things, thanks a lot guys, really appreciate it, but i have one question for you, what is the most important, backlinks or regular articles addition to our sites?
      Because up till now i have only one article that ranks as high as top ten on google and sent quite a number of visitors to my site, but still i don't really know what does the magic, you know? I'm still trying to understand how google works, lol.

      Regards,
      marco
      I think the process as a whole is important. You need to find low competition keywords, do good on page optimization, and have a decent linking strategy. You're in a good position right now, Marco. You've seen first hand that a one page article can rank, so that in itself has probably already started to remove some previous doubts you may have had. It's likely you stumbled on a nice low competition keyword. Find some more of those and you'll be Golden. If you haven't yet, I would recommend adding content on the sites if they are ranking already.

      Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

      That isn't bad. Great to hear your niche sites are still doing well with penguin updates.

      Just a quick question, how many sites are you maintaining for the $150/day. I would suggest scaling these niche sites up to an authority site after you find the specific niches/sites that play well. (still maintain the rest but see which one has a higher return in terms of CPC and CTR then try to scale those up)
      We have close to 200 I believe...but not all are fully developed. And that is a great suggestion for authority sites - we've actually already begun steps into doing just that.

      Originally Posted by jpsween88 View Post

      Ive been trying to make some earnings with adsense but my accounts always seem to get disabled, and I was only making maybe $1-$3 per month. Any tips on how your making so much more per day/month would be appreciated
      Well I think I've listed quite a bit of "tips" throughout this thread and on our WSOtesters site. Are there any specific questions you had?
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  • Profile picture of the author dannyl
    Hi,

    Me and my friend are just starting with MNS's and doing it in a similar way to yourself (low comp keyword with EMD, 800-1000 word article and backlinks via MS campaign) but after the sites being indexed a few weeks back and a 1 week MS campaing just finishing the sites are still nowhere near the top 10 and we haven't really seen any movement since running the MS campaign although in the link manager there are still a lot of valid links.

    I've got a couple of questions you can hopefully help me with:

    Once you have ran a MS campaign after the site has been indexed, roughly how long is it until you get to near the top of your niche?

    When using MS are you just submitting to the standard sites or are you adding your own with the designer?

    We aren't sure if it is just a waiting game or if there is something we are doing wrong although we are struggling to think what it could be.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author glacey
    Hi Mosa, when you look for keywords for niche sites what is the lowest "global exact" figure you would regard as worth giving a go?

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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

      Hi,

      Me and my friend are just starting with MNS's and doing it in a similar way to yourself (low comp keyword with EMD, 800-1000 word article and backlinks via MS campaign) but after the sites being indexed a few weeks back and a 1 week MS campaing just finishing the sites are still nowhere near the top 10 and we haven't really seen any movement since running the MS campaign although in the link manager there are still a lot of valid links.

      I've got a couple of questions you can hopefully help me with:

      Once you have ran a MS campaign after the site has been indexed, roughly how long is it until you get to near the top of your niche?

      When using MS are you just submitting to the standard sites or are you adding your own with the designer?

      We aren't sure if it is just a waiting game or if there is something we are doing wrong although we are struggling to think what it could be.

      Thanks,
      Dan
      When we run a magic submitter campaign it will generally take some time to rank. Sometimes up to two months

      Originally Posted by sam1216 View Post

      amazing man keep it up what niches you target
      If I told you, i'd have to kill you...jk. In general, our niches are all over the place: automotive, shopping - household items, vacation, etc.

      Originally Posted by glacey View Post

      Hi Mosa, when you look for keywords for niche sites what is the lowest "global exact" figure you would regard as worth giving a go?

      Thanks
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      I never look at global exact so I wouldn't know. I always base search volume on local exact searches.
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      • Profile picture of the author dannyl
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        When we run a magic submitter campaign it will generally take some time to rank. Sometimes up to two months



        If I told you, i'd have to kill you...jk. In general, our niches are all over the place: automotive, shopping - household items, vacation, etc.



        I never look at global exact so I wouldn't know. I always base search volume on local exact searches.
        Thanks for the reply, that's reassuring to know there can be a delay. When using Magic Submitter are you just using the standard sites or are you using the developer tab and adding your own sites?

        Also, say for example, a site of yours takes 2 months to rank, during that 2 months are you constantly running MS campaigns to it or are you just running something like a 2 tier campaign lasting a week for each tier or something similar and then waiting?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Mosa,

    As far as EMD vs PMD goes have you noticed if it takes a bit longer for a PMD to rank and get to page 1 vs an EMD assuming all things being equal and only difference being just the domain name?
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    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon

    Hi,

    Can you please tell me clearly how it possible then I will try this.

    becoz I need money.

    You can contact at weblink4solution at gmail dot com
    skype : weblink4solution

    Thanks...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Mosa,

      As far as EMD vs PMD goes have you noticed if it takes a bit longer for a PMD to rank and get to page 1 vs an EMD assuming all things being equal and only difference being just the domain name?
      Yes, PMD has taken longer to rank.

      Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

      Thanks for the reply, that's reassuring to know there can be a delay. When using Magic Submitter are you just using the standard sites or are you using the developer tab and adding your own sites?

      Also, say for example, a site of yours takes 2 months to rank, during that 2 months are you constantly running MS campaigns to it or are you just running something like a 2 tier campaign lasting a week for each tier or something similar and then waiting?
      Right now we're only using the standard sites. Also we only run one campaign. We may run another for follow up articles though.

      Originally Posted by weblink4solution View Post

      Hi,

      Can you please tell me clearly how it possible then I will try this.

      becoz I need money.

      You can contact at weblink4solution at gmail dot com
      skype : weblink4solution

      Thanks...
      Just check out our site, we've released a keyword research tutorial, and we'll be releasing more soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Yes, PMD has taken longer to rank.
        Do you have a general idea of how much longer it typically takes? I ask this question because I'm about to start some new sites that were previously hit with the Penguin update and this time around I won't be able to get the EMDs like I did before. I know these niches that I want to start again are money makers and have a good idea of how long it took before to get to page 1 with the EMD.

        So just by adding an extra letter or number or word can really make a big impact on the ranking process even though the full keyword is still there, but just a simple addition of a few more letters? Do you see any difference in ranking time whether adding 1 letter or number vs adding like "hq" "guide" etc..?

        Another question I had is I had the plural versions of the EMD last time (and it was the one that had the higher monthly search account), but I do notice a few of the singular version still availabe as an EMD. So do you think it's better to get that and just focus the title, h1, homepage article using the plural keyword instead and that will help more with ranking or should I just stick with the full plural version of the keyword and just add an extra letter or word on the end of it?
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  • Profile picture of the author tylrr
    Mosa,Do you write the WSO about the adsense make money?
    Could you teach me? thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by tylrr View Post

      Mosa,Do you write the WSO about the adsense make money?
      Could you teach me? thanks.
      We've never had any WSO. However, I do show people what we're doing for free on our site WSOtesters.com.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        We've never had any WSO. However, I do show people what we're doing for free on our site WSOtesters.com.
        Mosa, so are you seeing an increase this month? I have so far, up till yesterday I had a record week last week. I averaged almost $400 a day off of 5 adsense sites, it was amazing. It went back down yesterday to $200 but weekends are usually slow to begin with, with Sunday being the lowest day of the week. Im actually almost at $200 already today. Im close to hitting $3k already for the month, hope your seeing the same increases!
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          Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

          Mosa, so are you seeing an increase this month? I have so far, up till yesterday I had a record week last week. I averaged almost $400 a day off of 5 adsense sites, it was amazing. It went back down yesterday to $200 but weekends are usually slow to begin with, with Sunday being the lowest day of the week. Im actually almost at $200 already today. Im close to hitting $3k already for the month, hope your seeing the same increases!

          That's great! We're not quite there yet at the $200/day mark, but we're working towards it. I'm pretty confident that we'll hit it this month. But yea, congrats on your success! If you have your own website up, i'd love to check it out
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          • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
            Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

            That's great! We're not quite there yet at the $200/day mark, but we're working towards it. I'm pretty confident that we'll hit it this month. But yea, congrats on your success! If you have your own website up, i'd love to check it out
            A personal site? Dont have one yet, no clue what it would contain. Some people have suggested I create a blog and blog about my processes for adsense sites, but there are plenty out there already. Plus I rather concentrate on building out more sites than writing a blog. Now Im trying to concentrate on building out an amazon product review site, just launched yesterday. Feel stupid though as I still dont have a grasp on this. But hopefully I can figure it out, right now its just a site with a couple of product reviews from amazon.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
          Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

          Mosa, so are you seeing an increase this month? I have so far, up till yesterday I had a record week last week. I averaged almost $400 a day off of 5 adsense sites, it was amazing. It went back down yesterday to $200 but weekends are usually slow to begin with, with Sunday being the lowest day of the week. Im actually almost at $200 already today. Im close to hitting $3k already for the month, hope your seeing the same increases!
          That's some serious bank you are doing there with just 5 sites? Are all 5 sites do the same amount or 1-2 make most of the income? Are all 5 in same niche or different? Are all 5 big authority sites (100+ pages)? Do you use the same theme on all the sites? What sort of CTR and CPC are you getting on average?
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          • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
            Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

            That's some serious bank you are doing there with just 5 sites? Are all 5 sites do the same amount or 1-2 make most of the income? Are all 5 in same niche or different? Are all 5 big authority sites (100+ pages)? Do you use the same theme on all the sites? What sort of CTR and CPC are you getting on average?
            I dont want to steal this thread, just wanted to update Mora where I was and wanted to see if he saw a spike this month as well. However if you want to know, pm me your questions and I can answer the best I can.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
            Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

            That's some serious bank you are doing there with just 5 sites? Are all 5 sites do the same amount or 1-2 make most of the income? Are all 5 in same niche or different? Are all 5 big authority sites (100+ pages)? Do you use the same theme on all the sites? What sort of CTR and CPC are you getting on average?
            Well Mosa said it was ok, so to answer your questions:

            I have 10 total sites, however 5 of them are making me the most money. But out of the 10 only 2 are older than 3 months. And I do make the majority money with one site, for example last month I made over 6k, out of the 6k I made 3800 off one site. However as the other sites get older I see an increase in earnings.

            Out of the 10, 7 are in the same niche. The other 3 are in their own niche. All of my sites are over 100 pages but I dont know if that qualifies as authority sites. All my traffic mainly comes from long tail keyword matches, they are more along the lines of micro niche sites.

            I do not use Wordpress, I hate WP. I roll with my own custom solution and I use the same template for each site. After testing I came up with the ad arrangement on these sites that seem to work well. I cant discuss my CTR or CPC due to adsense rules and lord knows I dont want to piss google off.

            Hope that helps!

            On a side note Mosa, Im sorry for typing your screen name wrong. My vision isnt the best these days.
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            • Profile picture of the author febbelli
              Sillysoft congrats on your success. Do you heavily backlink your websites or do you find the long tail keywords just rank with little backlinking?

              Mosa congrats on your success as well. I have been following your blog for a little while now and plan on implementing some of your suggestions. I am looking forward to more of your tutorials.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                Originally Posted by febbelli View Post

                Sillysoft congrats on your success. Do you heavily backlink your websites or do you find the long tail keywords just rank with little backlinking?
                All I do is find the latest news articles online relating to my sites, read the article, add a legit comment and put a link back to my site. I used to do this every day, but I get real busy so I do it every few days. So basically its long tail keywords just rank with little back linking.
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                • Profile picture of the author febbelli
                  Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                  All I do is find the latest news articles online relating to my sites, read the article, add a legit comment and put a link back to my site. I used to do this every day, but I get real busy so I do it every few days. So basically its long tail keywords just rank with little back linking.
                  Thanks for the reply, seems like a legitimate and safe backlinking strategy. Did you use anchor texts in your backlinks? Also do you mind elaborating a little on how you found these news site? was it through google news searches

                  Seems like a really safe strategy and I wouldn't mind trying it out. Thanks for the tip
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                  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                    Originally Posted by febbelli View Post

                    Thanks for the reply, seems like a legitimate and safe backlinking strategy. Did you use anchor texts in your backlinks? Also do you mind elaborating a little on how you found these news site? was it through google news searches

                    Seems like a really safe strategy and I wouldn't mind trying it out. Thanks for the tip
                    I use google alert so each day I get an email with all news articles matching the keywords I requested. I only use anchor text when allowed, usually I just add a link to the main home page of the site I'm linking too. Rarely I add a link to a sub page of my site. After reading about all the Google changes I only will do natural links, I will never buy back links or trust someone else to do it. Not even my wife lol

                    Is it time consuming to do the back links this way? Yes, but I think my results show its worth it. Yesterday I cleared over $300 again, only one day this month so far I didnt go over $300 for the day.
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                    • Profile picture of the author febbelli
                      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                      I use google alert so each day I get an email with all news articles matching the keywords I requested. I only use anchor text when allowed, usually I just add a link to the main home page of the site I'm linking too. Rarely I add a link to a sub page of my site. After reading about all the Google changes I only will do natural links, I will never buy back links or trust someone else to do it. Not even my wife lol

                      Is it time consuming to do the back links this way? Yes, but I think my results show its worth it. Yesterday I cleared over $300 again, only one day this month so far I didnt go over $300 for the day.
                      Your earnings are fantastic, your hard work has obviously paid off. I am definitely going to give the google alert thing a try. I'm noticing that nearly all of the news articles on google news have a facebook comment plug in or other social network plug in. Very few of them actually allow you to publish your name + website url anymore (probably due to spamming). How do you find news articles that allow you to comment and publish your url? I too am trying to build a long term strategy. Hopefully I can get things rolling within the next few weeks.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                        Originally Posted by febbelli View Post

                        Your earnings are fantastic, your hard work has obviously paid off. I am definitely going to give the google alert thing a try. I'm noticing that nearly all of the news articles on google news have a facebook comment plug in or other social network plug in. Very few of them actually allow you to publish your name + website url anymore (probably due to spamming). How do you find news articles that allow you to comment and publish your url? I too am trying to build a long term strategy. Hopefully I can get things rolling within the next few weeks.
                        I have no preference, if its a facebook comment box I still add my link. Dont just add a link in your comment for search engines only. If the comment box only allows plain text you should still do it, because regular people will copy and paste the link in the url to view your site and that is who you want coming to your website. I know this works because I see it work in GA. I will post on an article via facebook comment box and then the next think you know I get 10 visits using the direct link because people just copy and paste the url into the browser address bar. Then from there the chances are that person will send the page to one of their friends and or bookmark your site and come back later or even add the link to their own website.

                        So dont just build back links for the sake of search engines, search engines cant click your ads but a human visiting your site can. So no matter if a news article allows comments then add your comment and then a link back to your site. But again I ALWAYS read the article and leave a legit comment, though admins still delete my comment because it has a link in it. But it doesnt matter because majority of my comments stick and I even get people who give me thumbs up on my comment via facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Mosa,

    What point do you expand a site from the 1 article on the homepage? Is after you see good traffic after a certain number of days from your main keyword/LSI keywords, daily Adsense revenue, etc.? Is there a certain time frame you wait to see if traffic builds before deciding to expand? What would be the main criteria to expand vs not expanding a site?
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      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Mosa,

      What point do you expand a site from the 1 article on the homepage? Is after you see good traffic after a certain number of days from your main keyword/LSI keywords, daily Adsense revenue, etc.? Is there a certain time frame you wait to see if traffic builds before deciding to expand? What would be the main criteria to expand vs not expanding a site?
      Mosa,

      Can you give me some feedback on this?
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    Sillysoft, awesome milestones you have completed. Looks like Mosa is on the way as well.
    Best of luck to you both, as you are already successful though WF is rooting for you knowing you can do better!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    That's awesome Silly! So in 2-3 months you built over a hundred pages to all of them? Do you use VAs? I'm interested in this news linkbuilding that you're doing with Google Alert. Sounds like something I could add to my strategies, but I don't quite know if many niches can relate to this tactic. I'm assuming that in order to do this you'll need specific niches that are currenlty "hot topic".
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      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      That's awesome Silly! So in 2-3 months you built over a hundred pages to all of them? Do you use VAs? I'm interested in this news linkbuilding that you're doing with Google Alert. Sounds like something I could add to my strategies, but I don't quite know if many niches can relate to this tactic. I'm assuming that in order to do this you'll need specific niches that are currenlty "hot topic".
      Mosa, my sites are different than most people deal with on here. I dont write custom content, my sites are informational websites. So the content doesnt change often. I maybe spend 1-2 hours a month on the site itself, I spend majority of my time working on back links. It usually takes me about a day to build out a site, once done though I set it and forget it.

      The link building strategy for me works, case in point when I did it every day for about a month straight for one site I ended up with a PR3 in 3 months time, I didnt do it as much for a second site but still managed a PR2.

      Google alert is easy, just enter generic keywords and google does the rest. So if your site is about monkeys wearing red dresses just use monkeys as your keyword and then add a second keyword for red dresses and it will send you the latest news articles related to those keywords each day. I dont know how I came up with that example, but hopefully it made sense.
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        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        Mosa, my sites are different than most people deal with on here. I dont write custom content, my sites are informational websites. So the content doesnt change often. I maybe spend 1-2 hours a month on the site itself, I spend majority of my time working on back links. It usually takes me about a day to build out a site, once done though I set it and forget it.

        The link building strategy for me works, case in point when I did it every day for about a month straight for one site I ended up with a PR3 in 3 months time, I didnt do it as much for a second site but still managed a PR2.

        Google alert is easy, just enter generic keywords and google does the rest. So if your site is about monkeys wearing red dresses just use monkeys as your keyword and then add a second keyword for red dresses and it will send you the latest news articles related to those keywords each day. I dont know how I came up with that example, but hopefully it made sense.
        I'll have to run some test with that backlinking tactic that you have there, thanks for sharing.

        For my sites, I'm still using 100% unique content that I get from my article writing team so It only takes a few miinutes out of my day to outline more articles for them to write. But for your content you said you don't write custom content. So does that mean you grab PLR?
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        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        Mosa, my sites are different than most people deal with on here. I dont write custom content, my sites are informational websites. So the content doesnt change often. I maybe spend 1-2 hours a month on the site itself, I spend majority of my time working on back links. It usually takes me about a day to build out a site, once done though I set it and forget it.

        The link building strategy for me works, case in point when I did it every day for about a month straight for one site I ended up with a PR3 in 3 months time, I didnt do it as much for a second site but still managed a PR2.

        Google alert is easy, just enter generic keywords and google does the rest. So if your site is about monkeys wearing red dresses just use monkeys as your keyword and then add a second keyword for red dresses and it will send you the latest news articles related to those keywords each day. I dont know how I came up with that example, but hopefully it made sense.
        Hi Sumo,

        I'm new at this so I have questions that hopefully you can answer:


        1) When you say each of your site has 100+ articles, do you just copy and paste information from other webistes?

        2) How do I find out how much each "keyword" is worth with google ads?

        3) You say you use google notice. Is this because once an article is made in your category, you can copy and paste the info to your site?

        Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
          Originally Posted by cricketns View Post

          Hi Sumo,

          I'm new at this so I have questions that hopefully you can answer:


          1) When you say each of your site has 100+ articles, do you just copy and paste information from other webistes?

          2) How do I find out how much each "keyword" is worth with google ads?

          3) You say you use google notice. Is this because once an article is made in your category, you can copy and paste the info to your site?

          Thanks.
          Hello! To answer in the order you have:

          1. NO! I would never just copy information from other websites and put it on my site. However being an information website there is information out on the web that is free that I sometimes find and use. For example I might have a database of car dealerships, I can put that into my own customized database and make it searchable and get traffic on a lot of long tail keywords.

          2. You can use the free Google Keywords Tool.

          3. Again I dont copy content from other websites, google alerts simply tells me the latest news articles out on the web that is related to the keywords I specify. So when I get the alert from google I simply read that news article, then make a comment on that article and add a link back to my website. I ONLY use the google alert system to build natural back links to my sites.

          Mosa, I believe my answer to #1 also answers your question about content.
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          • Profile picture of the author cricketns
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            Hello! To answer in the order you have:

            1. NO! I would never just copy information from other websites and put it on my site. However being an information website there is information out on the web that is free that I sometimes find and use. For example I might have a database of car dealerships, I can put that into my own customized database and make it searchable and get traffic on a lot of long tail keywords.

            2. You can use the free Google Keywords Tool.

            3. Again I dont copy content from other websites, google alerts simply tells me the latest news articles out on the web that is related to the keywords I specify. So when I get the alert from google I simply read that news article, then make a comment on that article and add a link back to my website. I ONLY use the google alert system to build natural back links to my sites.

            Mosa, I believe my answer to #1 also answers your question about content.
            My apologies for calling you Sumo, Silly. Thanks so much for the help!

            More questions

            1) From beginning to end, how long does (how many months) it take you to create the site and have all the contents up? Do you hire VA to help you with your content?

            2) Also are the domains new? I read google is more strict with SEO if it's new.

            3) Is there a keyword value limit in terms of how much it pays ie if it's more than $1 you'll go for it and less than that you won't bother?

            Thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
              Originally Posted by cricketns View Post

              My apologies for calling you Sumo, Silly. Thanks so much for the help!

              More questions

              1) From beginning to end, how long does (how many months) it take you to create the site and have all the contents up? Do you hire VA to help you with your content?

              2) Also are the domains new? I read google is more strict with SEO if it's new.

              3) Is there a keyword value limit in terms of how much it pays ie if it's more than $1 you'll go for it and less than that you won't bother?

              Thanks.
              1. Im a web developer full time so it doesnt take me long to build out these types of sites. I can launch a fairly large site within a day worth of work. Its all database driven so it makes it easier. I do everything myself, I dont outsource anything.

              2. Yep all of my domains are new. I hardly mess with buying existing domains, though sometimes I will look around.

              3. Not really because Im about quantity not quality. I want to find a keyword that has at least 100 variations off the base keyword. So if I had a keyword hand bags and there are 100 different variations such as white hand bags or small hand bags etc then that will help me determine it. Im not really looking to rank high for the main keyword, rather Im looking to rank on the long tail keywords. Its easier to rank for lower end keywords than the more generic keywords. Meaning I feel like I have a better chance ranking higher for someone searching for big blue hand bags than just hand bags

              Hope that helps! No problem about the name.
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                Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post


                3. Not really because Im about quantity not quality. I want to find a keyword that has at least 100 variations off the base keyword. So if I had a keyword hand bags and there are 100 different variations such as white hand bags or small hand bags etc then that will help me determine it. Im not really looking to rank high for the main keyword, rather Im looking to rank on the long tail keywords. Its easier to rank for lower end keywords than the more generic keywords. Meaning I feel like I have a better chance ranking higher for someone searching for big blue hand bags than just hand bags

                Hope that helps! No problem about the name.
                This might be going to too much of your business so I understand if you don't reply...but for example.

                1) 100 variations of the word hand bags. Is your site content just about hand bags in general or is content about "white hand bags", "green hand bags" etc or a combination of both?

                Thanks.
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                • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                  Originally Posted by cricketns View Post

                  This might be going to too much of your business so I understand if you don't reply...but for example.

                  1) 100 variations of the word hand bags. Is your site content just about hand bags in general or is content about "white hand bags", "green hand bags" etc or a combination of both?

                  Thanks.
                  1. Actually both, but with emphasis on the long tail keywords. The generic keyword, hand bags, is what I would use in the domain name. Then add urls with the long tail domains. Ranking high for hand bags would be difficult, but not for green hand bags or white hand bags, example of url structure:

                  www.handbags.com/green-hand-bags
                  www.handbags.com/white-hand-bags
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                  • Profile picture of the author cricketns
                    Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                    1. Actually both, but with emphasis on the long tail keywords. The generic keyword, hand bags, is what I would use in the domain name. Then add urls with the long tail domains. Ranking high for hand bags would be difficult, but not for green hand bags or white hand bags, example of url structure:

                    www.handbags.com/green-hand-bags
                    www.handbags.com/white-hand-bags
                    So awesome! Thanks for the tips.
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                    • Profile picture of the author CallOfTheMild
                      Mosa....reading through this, I see the mention of Magic Submitter.

                      Would you recommend this for one site? (I don't have 60.) Would it be worthwhile?

                      Thanks.
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                  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
                    Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                    1. Actually both, but with emphasis on the long tail keywords. The generic keyword, hand bags, is what I would use in the domain name. Then add urls with the long tail domains. Ranking high for hand bags would be difficult, but not for green hand bags or white hand bags, example of url structure:

                    www.handbags.com/green-hand-bags
                    www.handbags.com/white-hand-bags
                    So using your example of handbags say I wanted to do a site on that niche and I have like 100+ keywords to target (i.e. green hand bags, white hand bags, big hand bags, etc.) so then the homepage article would be about handbags in general and static then 100+ internal pages (with the url structure you mentioned above) each with an article focused on that keyword (500+ words) and then focus on building links to the homepage only? Would I just have a list of all my internal pages on the homepage so that juice flows to those pages or is it better to build links to each of those internal pages instead of the homepage?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

                      So using your example of handbags say I wanted to do a site on that niche and I have like 100+ keywords to target (i.e. green hand bags, white hand bags, big hand bags, etc.) so then the homepage article would be about handbags in general and static then 100+ internal pages (with the url structure you mentioned above) each with an article focused on that keyword (500+ words) and then focus on building links to the homepage only? Would I just have a list of all my internal pages on the homepage so that juice flows to those pages or is it better to build links to each of those internal pages instead of the homepage?
                      Yeah you want to have links throughout your site to pass some juice to your sub pages, but make sure you get a google webmaster tool and submit a xml sitemap. Makes it very easy for google, yahoo/bing to index all your pages without having to link to every single page within your site.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

                        Mosa,

                        Can you give me some feedback on this?
                        Hey MrTrance,
                        The one page site will rank with just that single article. If the site is already earning money with that one article, then I'll build them out to 3-5 articles, depending on how well it's doing and how many other long tail keywords I think I can rank. For the sites that aren't earning, I take a quick glance at them to see if they're ranking anywhere. If not then I just stick them in the archive - to potentially be used as part of my personal blog network.

                        Originally Posted by CallOfTheMild View Post

                        Mosa....reading through this, I see the mention of Magic Submitter.

                        Would you recommend this for one site? (I don't have 60.) Would it be worthwhile?

                        Thanks.
                        Yes, probably even more so in my opinion. To be used to it's potential, you should probably run magic submitter campaigns constantly to keep the flow of link velocity. Also you can run magic submitter with you own personal blog network, if you ever choose to do that in the future. If you do that with a giant and powerful blog network, then you've pretty much built yourself a dominating machine that could rank for whatever you can dream....at least that's what all my research points to. Obviously I haven't achieved this myself so I can't claim that it works 100% - but building it is one of my goals.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mosa
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            Hello! To answer in the order you have:

            1. NO! I would never just copy information from other websites and put it on my site. However being an information website there is information out on the web that is free that I sometimes find and use. For example I might have a database of car dealerships, I can put that into my own customized database and make it searchable and get traffic on a lot of long tail keywords.

            2. You can use the free Google Keywords Tool.

            3. Again I dont copy content from other websites, google alerts simply tells me the latest news articles out on the web that is related to the keywords I specify. So when I get the alert from google I simply read that news article, then make a comment on that article and add a link back to my website. I ONLY use the google alert system to build natural back links to my sites.

            Mosa, I believe my answer to #1 also answers your question about content.
            I see, well that makes sense. I've actually played a little bit with something similar to this on a smaller site. I was actually also able to rank on the first page, but I wasn't able to keep the site ranking well. I assumed it was due to not using really unique content, but I should probably run more tests to find out more about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            1. NO! I would never just copy information from other websites and put it on my site. However being an information website there is information out on the web that is free that I sometimes find and use. For example I might have a database of car dealerships, I can put that into my own customized database and make it searchable and get traffic on a lot of long tail keywords.
            Thanks to Mosa and yourself for such great feedback - there's definitely a lot of stuff I'll start implementing on my adsense sites.

            Just a quick question for Sillysoft -

            If you could just emphasize a little more about your content. Do you curate content from other sites and link back to the originator? I'm not sure what you meant by 'free' information.

            Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
              Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

              Thanks to Mosa and yourself for such great feedback - there's definitely a lot of stuff I'll start implementing on my adsense sites.

              Just a quick question for Sillysoft -

              If you could just emphasize a little more about your content. Do you curate content from other sites and link back to the originator? I'm not sure what you meant by 'free' information.

              Thanks!
              I will just say that, there is a website out there that gives you the customer support phone numbers for major corporations out there as well as customer support website and how to navigate a companies support line so that you get to a human support person right away. That website has adsense on it and that site makes a ton of money from adsense. Its not my site, but that is where I got the idea and that is what my sites are about. I add my own twist and in my opinion use better on page SEO. Company contact information is free.

              I have one website that is a directory of a certain niche and I get emails DAILY for people who thank me for posting their company info and actually ask me to add more entries on my site. I also get people who contact me asking to update their info.
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              • Profile picture of the author cricketns
                To Silly and Mosa,

                So tie everything in. These are the steps:

                1) Research long tail keywords with low competition

                2) Buy domain with long tail keyword.

                3) Write 800 - 1000 word article

                4) Little bit of SEO

                5) Subscribe to google news for related content and advertise

                Please let me know if this is the correct logic. Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                I will just say that, there is a website out there that gives you the customer support phone numbers for major corporations out there as well as customer support website and how to navigate a companies support line so that you get to a human support person right away. That website has adsense on it and that site makes a ton of money from adsense. Its not my site, but that is where I got the idea and that is what my sites are about. I add my own twist and in my opinion use better on page SEO. Company contact information is free.

                I have one website that is a directory of a certain niche and I get emails DAILY for people who thank me for posting their company info and actually ask me to add more entries on my site. I also get people who contact me asking to update their info.
                Aha! So the type of content you use is probably like Pat Flynns Security Guard Training Site. I've thought about doing something like this before. But now I might actually have to take action on this
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                • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                  Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

                  Aha! So the type of content you use is probably like Pat Flynns Security Guard Training Site. I've thought about doing something like this before. But now I might actually have to take action on this
                  Never heard of Pat Flynns Security Guard Training Site, but you wont believe what people search for and its always long tail keyword matches. Hardly anyone hits my main home page, I get majority traffic to the sub pages with the long tail keyword matches.

                  I will say this, one of my sites is about how to check the balance on gift cards. It averages over 2k uniques a day. Can you imagine something so simple getting that much traffic? Now I said to much, no more!
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                Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                I will just say that, there is a website out there that gives you the customer support phone numbers for major corporations out there as well as customer support website and how to navigate a companies support line so that you get to a human support person right away. That website has adsense on it and that site makes a ton of money from adsense. Its not my site, but that is where I got the idea and that is what my sites are about. I add my own twist and in my opinion use better on page SEO. Company contact information is free.

                I have one website that is a directory of a certain niche and I get emails DAILY for people who thank me for posting their company info and actually ask me to add more entries on my site. I also get people who contact me asking to update their info.
                Ahh!!

                I understand completely.

                That's a totally different angle I hadn't thought about covering.

                I won't ask you to reveal your twist, as that would be pretty unfair. You've given us the blueprint, all we need to add is our own creativity. Thanks a ton!
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                • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                  Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

                  Ahh!!

                  I understand completely.

                  That's a totally different angle I hadn't thought about covering.

                  I won't ask you to reveal your twist, as that would be pretty unfair. You've given us the blueprint, all we need to add is our own creativity. Thanks a ton!
                  Well I hoped that helps you going forward. You know the reason why I got into programming was because I used to build static sites with hundreds of pages of content. I got so tired of updating these pages one by one manually, if I wanted to add a link to the menu I had to edit 100 plus pages. So to make my life easier I learned programming and it actually turned into a full time career for me.

                  Same for adsense, I have no patience or the skills to write quality articles so I found a way to somewhat automated this. As I said, my sites are information based, the information is out there but I make it easier to find.
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                  • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
                    Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                    Same for adsense, I have no patience or the skills to write quality articles so I found a way to somewhat automated this. As I said, my sites are information based, the information is out there but I make it easier to find.
                    I know exactly what you mean.

                    Never really thought about doing that since I've been focused on providing 100% original content - but what you;re saying makes complete sense.

                    Funny part is, your approach is so simple, yet I'm sure it's overlooked by sooo many people.

                    Just one more question -

                    Do you use any keyword tools to come up with/research ideas, or is it mainly all brainpower? Hehe.

                    Like Mosa, I use LongTail Pro as well. Reason I ask is because I get the feeling that from your approach, old fashioned brainstorming may provide better results than an automated keyword tool.

                    Thanks again, and best of luck to you, as well as Mosa and everyone else. You've all contributed so much great information in this thread. Hopefully I'll be able to chime in soon with tips of my own. :p
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                    • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

                      I know exactly what you mean.

                      Never really thought about doing that since I've been focused on providing 100% original content - but what you;re saying makes complete sense.

                      Funny part is, your approach is so simple, yet I'm sure it's overlooked by sooo many people.

                      Just one more question -

                      Do you use any keyword tools to come up with/research ideas, or is it mainly all brainpower? Hehe.

                      Like Mosa, I use LongTail Pro as well. Reason I ask is because I get the feeling that from your approach, old fashioned brainstorming may provide better results than an automated keyword tool.

                      Thanks again, and best of luck to you, as well as Mosa and everyone else. You've all contributed so much great information in this thread. Hopefully I'll be able to chime in soon with tips of my own. :p
                      Its a combination of brain power and keyword tool. I tried using programs like traffic travis but I just rolled my eyes with boredom lol. So I just stick with googles keyword tool and google insight. The brain power comes in when I get an idea of certain keywords to target, after I found a successful niche with adsense I started exploring other related niche sites. So basically I started with one idea, found out it worked and then branched out from there. Once I did that other ideas started coming to me that even helped me branched into other niches.

                      Now I wont sit here and tell you I hit a homer run every time, I had a few domains that failed big time because I miscalculated, I'm no genius

                      Another tip I noticed, my top earning sites have 3 keywords in the domain. The ones that aren't doing as well or failed had 2 keywords in the domain. Enjoy
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        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        Mosa, my sites are different than most people deal with on here. I dont write custom content, my sites are informational websites. So the content doesnt change often. I maybe spend 1-2 hours a month on the site itself, I spend majority of my time working on back links. It usually takes me about a day to build out a site, once done though I set it and forget it.

        The link building strategy for me works, case in point when I did it every day for about a month straight for one site I ended up with a PR3 in 3 months time, I didnt do it as much for a second site but still managed a PR2.

        Google alert is easy, just enter generic keywords and google does the rest. So if your site is about monkeys wearing red dresses just use monkeys as your keyword and then add a second keyword for red dresses and it will send you the latest news articles related to those keywords each day. I dont know how I came up with that example, but hopefully it made sense.
        Hi, this method sounds really interesting, I have had a look at it and done a couple of tests but I have found all the links within the comments are set to nofollow. Is it a case of one in every few are dofollow links and I've just not come across them yet or am I missing something?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
          Originally Posted by dannyl View Post

          Hi, this method sounds really interesting, I have had a look at it and done a couple of tests but I have found all the links within the comments are set to nofollow. Is it a case of one in every few are dofollow links and I've just not come across them yet or am I missing something?
          I dont care about it being nofollow or dofollow, all I care about is being able to add a link to my site. If a search engine doesnt pick it up because its nofollow I bet you humans will pick it up and those are the people that click your ads. Search engines only help people find your site when using their search engine.

          People sometimes just get caught up with search engines and forget about the whole idea is getting humans to view your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author dakar
    Congratulations Sillysoft and Mosa on your work and results.
    I'm also building out an authority site like Sillysoft's, which is
    custom made (no wordpress or cms package).

    I've been pondering how to go about backlinking my site.
    I know some people prefer to grab thousands of low level backlinks,
    but others recommend to only go after select authority type backlinks.

    Since I created my website, I also added google alerts,
    but I never really do anything with the daily results. I'm gonna try your idea of backlinking with this method.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    2k visitors per day from one site...nice! I'm glad to hear that what your doing is working for you. I'm really going to need to take a piece of that pie soon.
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      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      2k visitors per day from one site...nice! I'm glad to hear that what your doing is working for you. I'm really going to need to take a piece of that pie soon.
      Yeah that is one of my top sites, but not my best. My best is over 4k uniques a day right now. With all my sites combined, 10 total, Im averaging over 10k uniques a day. Had to upgrade to a more dedicated solution to handle the traffic.

      And Im a big guy, I dont like sharing pie!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        Yeah that is one of my top sites, but not my best. My best is over 4k uniques a day right now. With all my sites combined, 10 total, Im averaging over 10k uniques a day. Had to upgrade to a more dedicated solution to handle the traffic.

        And Im a big guy, I dont like sharing pie!
        10k a day from 10 sites, nice! My average visitor count is 28 across my sites. Oh, and I didn't mean I'm going to take from the pie on your plate, I'm talking about finding my own niches and attempting to build in a similar way.
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          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          10k a day from 10 sites, nice! My average visitor count is 28 across my sites. Oh, and I didn't mean I'm going to take from the pie on your plate, I'm talking about finding my own niches and attempting to build in a similar way.
          28k a day from all of your sites? How many sites do you have again?
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            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            28k a day from all of your sites? How many sites do you have again?
            I think he means 28 visitors per site per day.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mosa
              Originally Posted by PatrickLSO View Post

              I think he means 28 visitors per site per day.
              Yea, that's what I meant.
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              • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
                Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

                Yea, that's what I meant.
                Ahh! Sorry about that. Mosa, question for you. I see that you blog about your niche building techniques, how does that work for you? Do you get a good following? I get a lot of PM's on Warrior Forum from people asking me to teach them about building adsense sites, but I always felt I wasn't doing anything special. My techniques are probably the same as most on here, I can get my site indexed by google and bing/yahoo within hours and sometimes I can even get ranked on the home page within a couple of hours as well. I just came up with a process that works for me. My friends tell me I could most likely benefit more financially teaching this than just building the sites themselves. Just thought I ask how your experience has been with your blog.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                  Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

                  Ahh! Sorry about that. Mosa, question for you. I see that you blog about your niche building techniques, how does that work for you? Do you get a good following? I get a lot of PM's on Warrior Forum from people asking me to teach them about building adsense sites, but I always felt I wasn't doing anything special. My techniques are probably the same as most on here, I can get my site indexed by google and bing/yahoo within hours and sometimes I can even get ranked on the home page within a couple of hours as well. I just came up with a process that works for me. My friends tell me I could most likely benefit more financially teaching this than just building the sites themselves. Just thought I ask how your experience has been with your blog.
                  Well I currently don't charge anything for the techniques that I show and I don't even offer any paid courses at the moment. However, blogging in itself has so many benefits: It keeps me motivated, builds a community of successful peers, and I've been able to make a few affiliate sales on the products that I use. Most of all, I enjoy what I do and I enjoy sharing it with people. Just yesterday I talked to a guy for 2 hours just chatting about how he could improve his sites (I intended to only spend 15 minutes, but I got carried away). The bottom line is...yes, you should make a blog - it benefits everyone
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    Good inspiration, congrat Mosa
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    BTW just launched my 11th website last night, woke up this morning and all indexed with most of the pages already found on page 1, getting some good traffic already. Woot! Im finding a pattern that Im going to look at further to see if it will continue to work for other new sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author krestup
    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
    How many articles did you have on your website?
    How long did it take for your website to start making money?
    The keywords you are ranking for, how many searches do they get per month?
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    Wow, congratz on your success ! ^^
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    how do you host your sites ? i have a few right now all on hostgator baby plan is that ok ? i have heard that you need to keep them different ?
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    • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      Now I wont sit here and tell you I hit a homer run every time, I had a few domains that failed big time because I miscalculated, I'm no genius

      Another tip I noticed, my top earning sites have 3 keywords in the domain. The ones that aren't doing as well or failed had 2 keywords in the domain. Enjoy


      Yeah, I think we all strike out a few times too. But hey, if you can hit at least 30% of the balls that come at you, you'd be considered a pretty good hitter. Haha!

      Hope that new site of yours is a home run. Keep us posted.

      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      how do you host your sites ? i have a few right now all on hostgator baby plan is that ok ? i have heard that you need to keep them different ?
      I have a Baby Croc package as well, and haven't had any issues at all.

      Depending on how much traffic you're getting you may want to upgrade to something with a bit more headroom. But I even remember Spencer from NichePursuits writing that he has about ~40 sites on each shared account.

      Not sure how much traffic they all get combined though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      Its a combination of brain power and keyword tool. I tried using programs like traffic travis but I just rolled my eyes with boredom lol. So I just stick with googles keyword tool and google insight. The brain power comes in when I get an idea of certain keywords to target, after I found a successful niche with adsense I started exploring other related niche sites. So basically I started with one idea, found out it worked and then branched out from there. Once I did that other ideas started coming to me that even helped me branched into other niches.

      Now I wont sit here and tell you I hit a homer run every time, I had a few domains that failed big time because I miscalculated, I'm no genius

      Another tip I noticed, my top earning sites have 3 keywords in the domain. The ones that aren't doing as well or failed had 2 keywords in the domain. Enjoy
      Hmm...I haven't noticed any difference with the number of keywords in the domain. I think you're just seeing a coincidence.
      Anyway, when you do these news backlinks to a site with 100+ pages, i'm assuming you're doing it to the main url, right? Also how many comment links are you actually doing per site? I may add your linking strategy to my own


      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      how do you host your sites ? i have a few right now all on hostgator baby plan is that ok ? i have heard that you need to keep them different ?
      You can stick several sites on one host. We put 30-40 sites on a single hosting account. However, you wouldn't be able to do the same thing if you were building it like Sillysoft, because each one site he builds, generates tremendous traffic in comparison to my sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark806
        Hey Mosa,

        I have been doing the same thing it seems, finding exact match domains in low competition niches, I add a 400 word article then do article marketing within a week or 2 of the site getting indexed. It seems like when the site is first indexed, its on page 2 or 3, then I start linking and it dances then comes back but never gets to page one? How long after you start building links do you see it hit page one? Or maybe i am using the wrong linking source?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Hmm...I haven't noticed any difference with the number of keywords in the domain. I think you're just seeing a coincidence.
        Anyway, when you do these news backlinks to a site with 100+ pages, i'm assuming you're doing it to the main url, right? Also how many comment links are you actually doing per site? I may add your linking strategy to my own




        You can stick several sites on one host. We put 30-40 sites on a single hosting account. However, you wouldn't be able to do the same thing if you were building it like Sillysoft, because each one site he builds, generates tremendous traffic in comparison to my sites.
        Yeah the keyword thing I should of said it was an observation, not a tip.

        Yes 99% of the time I just link back to the main site url. Only if the article is specific to a sub page and I thought it would better to link to a sub page is when I would link directly to that sub page. To be honest I kind of do it round robin style, when I launch a site I setup the google alert and do it each day for about 2 weeks straight. Then I kind of peel off and go back to doing other sites here and there. Its just to much work to do every single site every day, plus it could look unnatural having a bunch of back links flood in at once. Though a couple of sites I didnt do any back linking and I still received a lot of traffic, mainly because I go back to my core strategy and that is very easy long tail keywords to rank high for very quickly.

        Also, new sites I submit the link to Digg, stumbleupon and I create a twitter account and post a link to the site. Search engines pick up twitter links very fast and digg gets its page indexed within minutes, it doesnt index your site, but it indexes the name of your site right away and I think it helps in some fashion to help get your site noticed sooner.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        You can stick several sites on one host. We put 30-40 sites on a single hosting account. However, you wouldn't be able to do the same thing if you were building it like Sillysoft, because each one site he builds, generates tremendous traffic in comparison to my sites.
        One thing I noticed when I switched to a more dedicated solution is my clicks went way up. When I was on godaddy shared hosting I was getting around 200 clicks a day. Now since switching to this new vps I am at this time averaging 600 clicks a day.

        I also like the vps because I can do more code wise with it than a shared account, such as I can use minification where I can take all of my css and js files and put them into one file and cache it. That way less files for the browser to download and faster load times. Plus I can use php memcache, this allows me to store database results into memory instead of hitting the database making load times faster, plus I can create sub domains and have more "pipes" open to download files quicker.

        Yes I have a lot of other tips and tricks outside of optimizating an adsense site, the faster you can get your website to load, the better chance of someone clicking your ad because if they have to wait for your page to load, they might just give up and leave your site. A BIG reason why I HATE wordpress.
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        • Profile picture of the author dakar
          Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

          One thing I noticed when I switched to a more dedicated solution is my clicks went way up. When I was on godaddy shared hosting I was getting around 200 clicks a day. Now since switching to this new vps I am at this time averaging 600 clicks a day.

          I also like the vps because I can do more code wise with it than a shared account, such as I can use minification where I can take all of my css and js files and put them into one file and cache it. That way less files for the browser to download and faster load times. Plus I can use php memcache, this allows me to store database results into memory instead of hitting the database making load times faster, plus I can create sub domains and have more "pipes" open to download files quicker.

          Yes I have a lot of other tips and tricks outside of optimizating an adsense site, the faster you can get your website to load, the better chance of someone clicking your ad because if they have to wait for your page to load, they might just give up and leave your site. A BIG reason why I HATE wordpress.
          Dedicated solution is the way to go for large sites. I managed one site with 50k clicks a day, off one server. Like you said, you can play around with cache and use all of the server's resources.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
            Originally Posted by dakar View Post

            Dedicated solution is the way to go for large sites. I managed one site with 50k clicks a day, off one server. Like you said, you can play around with cache and use all of the server's resources.
            Yep, my full time job averages over 4 million views a month and I was in charge setting up the dedicated boxes and headed up the development for the platform that serves the traffic. I have pretty much been forced to figure out how to squeeze out as much performance I can within a small budget
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    damn that's awesome guys keep up the good work
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  • Profile picture of the author cPayne
    Quick question for Silly, I'm a little fuzzy as to how you manage to build a site in one day with over 100 pages of content. Do you think you could elaborate? I understand that they're informational sites but doesn't the content still need to be unique? If you have a specific method that you don't want to reveal then I understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
      Originally Posted by cPayne View Post

      Quick question for Silly, I'm a little fuzzy as to how you manage to build a site in one day with over 100 pages of content. Do you think you could elaborate? I understand that they're informational sites but doesn't the content still need to be unique? If you have a specific method that you don't want to reveal then I understand.
      My sites are database driven, all I have to do is setup one page template and my scripts do the rest extracting the data from the database. I have one site with over 200k pages indexed. At this point that is as much info Im giving out.
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      • Profile picture of the author cPayne
        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        My sites are database driven, all I have to do is setup one page template and my scripts do the rest extracting the data from the database. I have one site with over 200k pages indexed. At this point that is as much info Im giving out.
        Hmm, I had never really heard of a site being setup that way before. It's pretty interesting. Thanks for the info, I need to research more haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author alfid
    I was a bit fooled by thinking you reached the $240/day goal. LOL However, I would settle for the 80 to 100 dollars per day you are making already. This is encouraging. We have to learn all your secrets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Lacer
    Cool stories! only 1 question, how do you link 100 pages? Do you have 100 links on your home page or don't you have links to them?
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  • Profile picture of the author joshpat2
    thanks so much mosa for your help. i have another question do you have multiple accounts so you make like $50 each account and you have 3 accounts ? if so is that a precaution if you get banned ?
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    • Profile picture of the author makbog
      Superb discussion here. Congrats to all of you for making such huge profits online. I am just a newbie and have started with $10/day. Lets see how far my destiny takes me. But I would certainly like to incorporate your best practices in my strategies as well.

      Thanks for the information and helpful discussion here
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  • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
    Just an update on this 11th site I just launched yesterday. So far these past 2 days I hit 20 unique visitors per day, 40 total. These arent big numbers but for the site just being up for 48 hours I think I hit another jack pot, just have to continue with the back links so when the google dance is over they wont leave me at the ball room alone No clicks yet from adsense, but I feel like I have done enough sites and seen enough patterns to know this would has a lot of potential to make decent money in the next few months. I would say almost 100% of the long tail keywords are being found on page 1 within the first 5 results. This now gives me another idea for another niche, think I will launch that over the weekend and see how that goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by Mark806 View Post

      Hey Mosa,

      I have been doing the same thing it seems, finding exact match domains in low competition niches, I add a 400 word article then do article marketing within a week or 2 of the site getting indexed. It seems like when the site is first indexed, its on page 2 or 3, then I start linking and it dances then comes back but never gets to page one? How long after you start building links do you see it hit page one? Or maybe i am using the wrong linking source?
      Some sites have been taking as long as 2 months to rank well. Other sites we'll rank within a week of it going live.


      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      My sites are database driven, all I have to do is setup one page template and my scripts do the rest extracting the data from the database. I have one site with over 200k pages indexed. At this point that is as much info Im giving out.
      Dang man, that's really awesome that you're able to do that.

      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      thanks so much mosa for your help. i have another question do you have multiple accounts so you make like $50 each account and you have 3 accounts ? if so is that a precaution if you get banned ?
      Both my partner and I have one account each. We never thought of it as a precaution when we first started, but since there were two of us we figure, "why not?"

      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      Just an update on this 11th site I just launched yesterday. So far these past 2 days I hit 20 unique visitors per day, 40 total. These arent big numbers but for the site just being up for 48 hours I think I hit another jack pot, just have to continue with the back links so when the google dance is over they wont leave me at the ball room alone No clicks yet from adsense, but I feel like I have done enough sites and seen enough patterns to know this would has a lot of potential to make decent money in the next few months. I would say almost 100% of the long tail keywords are being found on page 1 within the first 5 results. This now gives me another idea for another niche, think I will launch that over the weekend and see how that goes.
      Glad to hear that buddy! Keep rocking what's working for you!
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    thanks for responding helps out alot man. hope you able to reach your goal soon
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  • Profile picture of the author Volux
    Quite an inspiration.

    You think if I used Unique Article Wizard that that would suffice, or go beyond, what Magic Submitter does?
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  • Profile picture of the author sandman123
    $10,000 a Month with Adsense in under a Year .. how's this guy doing this !?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
      Originally Posted by sandman123 View Post

      $10,000 a Month with Adsense in under a Year .. how's this guy doing this !?
      Its doable, I have my sites and its not been a full year and Im closing in on 10k a month with adsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by Volux View Post

        Quite an inspiration.

        You think if I used Unique Article Wizard that that would suffice, or go beyond, what Magic Submitter does?
        I think UAW works for the really low comp keywords. I don't think it would go beyond what you could do with magic submitter though. The good thing about UAW though is that you can submit to Web 2.0s that have already been established - you can do the same with MS, but you'll need to either have access to those established Web 2.0s, or you'll have to create them with time.

        Originally Posted by DrewG View Post

        Thanks, I'll check it out later today.

        Originally Posted by sandman123 View Post

        $10,000 a Month with Adsense in under a Year .. how's this guy doing this !?
        Yea, I believe there are actually quite a few people that have done it. Once you get momentum going, it really takes off.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

        Its doable, I have my sites and its not been a full year and Im closing in on 10k a month with adsense.
        When did you start working on ranking sites? I know you said many of your sites were not even 3 months old, but I'm curious as to if you've started many other similar sites in the past.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sillysoft
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          When did you start working on ranking sites? I know you said many of your sites were not even 3 months old, but I'm curious as to if you've started many other similar sites in the past.
          Well I am a web developer full time, so my understanding of how the web works was already there. About 2 years ago I built a site on the side wanting to make money on my own with adsense, didn't know what the heck I was doing and admit I didn't event try hard. However little by little this one site increased in traffic and increased in earnings. Fast forward to the early part of 2011 I decided to learn as much as I could about adsense to increase my earnings so all I did was read about adsense and how to optimize the site at the same time increase my knowledge about SEO optimization etc. By Jan 2012 I was averaging $1000 a month in adsense revenue for this one site and ended up selling it on flippa for 5 figures.

          After that I took a couple of weeks off, spent some money , then decided if I could do that with one site then just think how much I could make with multiple sites. So mid/late part of January of this year I started building out more sites, my oldest one was in January. However most have been made within the past 3 months.

          Its funny, I set out to have my goal at $100 a day, I get there but I find myself still not happy though because I feel I can make more and I also continue to feel that I need to diversify my earnings by switching to something like Amazon. But its hard because I SUCK at writing. I think I might bite the bullet finally and just pay for articles, I have always done things on my own but writing is just not something I do very well.
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          • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
            Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

            Its funny, I set out to have my goal at $100 a day, I get there but I find myself still not happy though because I feel I can make more and I also continue to feel that I need to diversify my earnings by switching to something like Amazon. But its hard because I SUCK at writing. I think I might bite the bullet finally and just pay for articles, I have always done things on my own but writing is just not something I do very well.
            Nothing wrong with outsourcing the writing, with your approach it's probably slightly different but to build niche sites at scale it's essential.

            Though I must admit that even proof reading and editing the articles can get very tedious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiliate Ninja
    Awesome job!

    I have been testing some of my Adsense sites by changing the ad size, block type and colors. Trying to see if there is any extra money to be made with differnet ad typs.

    Just wanted to ask for any opinons out there what you have done that worked well for you with the Adsense ads. I know a lot of marketers use the large block ads but I am sure there are better ideas out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author indirasera
    i like your site and already subscribe for update, i have a micro niche site, searcher 1900/months cpc $1, articles (500 words x 4) and already on no.1(main keyword) but why my adsense income about 0.5/day sometimes $0.00, visitor : 40 -50/day , i am using heatmap theme
    how to increase ctr ? thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucaslee
      I notice sites need to have commercial value if not somehow the traffic doesnt convert. Example is movies that are crappy but high entertainment value is more sellable than movies that are superbly and artistic shot and directly but no commercial value...
      likewise for a site, the reader needs to be able to gain something from it.. once they see its another hit-and-run niche site without true value, they will just click and go..

      Originally Posted by indirasera View Post

      i like your site and already subscribe for update, i have a micro niche site, searcher 1900/months cpc $1, articles (500 words x 4) and already on no.1(main keyword) but why my adsense income about 0.5/day sometimes $0.00, visitor : 40 -50/day , i am using heatmap theme
      how to increase ctr ? thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by Affiliate Ninja View Post

        Awesome job!

        I have been testing some of my Adsense sites by changing the ad size, block type and colors. Trying to see if there is any extra money to be made with differnet ad typs.

        Just wanted to ask for any opinons out there what you have done that worked well for you with the Adsense ads. I know a lot of marketers use the large block ads but I am sure there are better ideas out there.
        Originally Posted by indirasera View Post

        i like your site and already subscribe for update, i have a micro niche site, searcher 1900/months cpc $1, articles (500 words x 4) and already on no.1(main keyword) but why my adsense income about 0.5/day sometimes $0.00, visitor : 40 -50/day , i am using heatmap theme
        how to increase ctr ? thanks
        I made a post about improving CTR here.

        Originally Posted by Dayes View Post

        People need to learn that making hundreds of crappy niche sites is NOT a legitimate way to make money.

        Your Adsense account will be banned, and every single Google update, your sites rankings will be demolished.

        If you're new to Adsense, DO NOT go down this road, however tempting it might seem.
        I disagree. If people on google are searching for "brown rusty nails" then a small website should more than satisfy their appetite for information. Many times, the reason why niche sites rank is because there's no one building Authority Sites for such a small topic to begin with. Also if the topic of "brown rusty nails" is only worth about 3 pages of info, why should someone fill up 20 pages of fluff? Thus, a small niche site may definitely provide value.

        There are plenty of people still building these sites the right way and banking on the returns. When we started this gig, people were already saying it no longer works, but here we are along with many others. Many people are saying SEO is dead too, but isn't funny that they also said that 10 years ago? Since then, many SEO businesses have flourished. So do I expect this market to be here forever? No. But that's just how it is. Things change, people adapt. If you're going to wait until things stop changing, you'll never get off the starting line.
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        • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          There are plenty of people still building these sites the right way and banking on the returns. When we started this gig, people were already saying it no longer works, but here we are along with many others. Many people are saying SEO is dead too, but isn't funny that they also said that 10 years ago? Since then, many SEO businesses have flourished. So do I expect this market to be here forever? No. But that's just how it is. Things change, people adapt. If you're going to wait until things stop changing, you'll never get off the starting line.
          Well said, most of those people saying niche sites don't work any more probably never tried it or they just gave up too easily. It's all about going for something, sticking with it and learning from your mistakes until you start making a profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayes
    People need to learn that making hundreds of crappy niche sites is NOT a legitimate way to make money.

    Your Adsense account will be banned, and every single Google update, your sites rankings will be demolished.

    If you're new to Adsense, DO NOT go down this road, however tempting it might seem.
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      Originally Posted by Dayes View Post

      People need to learn that making hundreds of crappy niche sites is NOT a legitimate way to make money.

      Your Adsense account will be banned, and every single Google update, your sites rankings will be demolished.

      If you're new to Adsense, DO NOT go down this road, however tempting it might seem.
      This type of post is what annoys me about this site. Don't sit there slagging a method of with out making a suggestion on to what people should be doing instead. I just feel these types of post are not needed and If you don't like the idea go elsewhere.
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        I disagree. If people on google are searching for "brown rusty nails" then a small website should more than satisfy their appetite for information. Many times, the reason why niche sites rank is because there's no one building Authority Sites for such a small topic to begin with. Also if the topic of "brown rusty nails" is only worth about 3 pages of info, why should someone fill up 20 pages of fluff? Thus, a small niche site may definitely provide value.

        There are plenty of people still building these sites the right way and banking on the returns. When we started this gig, people were already saying it no longer works, but here we are along with many others. Many people are saying SEO is dead too, but isn't funny that they also said that 10 years ago? Since then, many SEO businesses have flourished. So do I expect this market to be here forever? No. But that's just how it is. Things change, people adapt. If you're going to wait until things stop changing, you'll never get off the starting line.
        You can sprout all the flashy quotes you want, it doesn't change the fact that you're just creating junk content for a quick buck. This so called "method" only works because Google ranks EMD's higher in their algorithm, something people have known and exploited for YEARS. This is nothing new, and quite frankly a child could do it.

        And yes, there are plently of people doing it, mainly because of threads like this, and sites like Niche Pursuits (who ironically got banned from Adsense).

        Originally Posted by wizzykid123 View Post

        This type of post is what annoys me about this site. Don't sit there slagging a method of with out making a suggestion on to what people should be doing instead. I just feel these types of post are not needed and If you don't like the idea go elsewhere.
        I'm not "slagging off" anything, I'm warning people of the consequences when using this "method". Google is cracking down on it, and you will be caught out eventually.

        You want a suggestion on what people should be doing instead? Create a website that actually offers real value to users, not a two page junk-site that is never updated. If you can't do that, then you're in the wrong business.
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          Originally Posted by 530112 View Post

          Hi Moza, how do you keep up with having fresh content for this many sites?
          We have all of the content built by our own team of article writers.

          Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

          Hi

          @Mosa, how do you build your backlinks?
          Do you buying fiverr gigs for all your sites /deeper pages or the domain only?

          How do you build backlinks to the inner pages- some 5-10 sb backlinks for every page or more???????

          marco005
          Originally Posted by betsyanne View Post

          Thanks for the heads up about Magic Submitter. I will have to go check that out. It is also good to hear about people with lots of traffic. It is motivating! I gave a thanks message after that posting (above).

          Now I need to learn about your "VA that builds high PR software links." Thanks for the information, and I wish you the very best of luck with all your blogs and sites.
          Well this is obviously a hot topic and many people want the small details so it seems like i'm going to need to make a step by step a tutorial about it soon.

          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Just a suggestion, but how about just showing us a general mockup of how a site is structured as far as content, images, ad units, etc. You don't have to reveal your niche, just take an image or setup a dummy url for say a keyword like "dog training class" (as an example since the "dog training" keyword is used so often in the IM world). I think that would be very helpful for alot of people.

          Maybe put up a demo site that uses either the CTR or Niche Website theme so that we get a visual sense of how the sites are setup.
          This is actually what i'm leaning towards.

          Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

          This is just extraordinary that you manage to make that money every single day!! That means that you have great traffic and also a pretty good CTR right ?
          That would be correct
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            Originally Posted by Mosa View Post




            This is actually what i'm leaning towards.
            Any update on showing us a demo or mockup?
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    If you're going to wait until things stop changing, you'll never get off the starting line.

    what a quote that should be your slogan
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      If you're going to wait until things stop changing, you'll never get off the starting line.

      what a quote that should be your slogan
      Yea, it's so true though. People make this mistake because of fear. Fear of failing, fear of change, fear of not being able to adapt. They put themselves on a downward spiral right from the start. When we first said we were going to build niche sites and we had $0 income, we already had a lot of people telling us we wouldn't make our goals... but we tried anyway... and we sucked. But we learned from our mistakes and moved forward without hesitation. Now we're actually seeing some decent return and we've learned A LOT along the way. I'm confident that if we really wanted to, we could diversify into many different unrelated projects and be successful because of the knowledge we've gained.
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    aw.. $240 a day, $7,200 a month!
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    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Just wanted to give a Progress Report on where Trevor and I are with the Niche Sites we've been building. We made some pretty big Goals for the month of June. One of which was to pump our adsense earnings from $80/per day to $240/per day. While this was a pretty big jump, we felt that if we organized and worked hard at it we would be able to hit this mark.

    So are we making $240 per day now? *sigh*.... Not yet. We didn't even come close! We are currently making about $150/day, which is not too bad, but it's definitely far from our goal. We'll get there soon
    Wow!, This is great... you did a good job...
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Mosa,

      As far as domain names go if the exact match .com/net/org is not available do you ever go with hyphenated exact match domain or a .info or .me exact match? Or always stick with the top 3 TLDs and just add a suffix to make it a PMD?

      Have you done any tests if the exact match with hyphens ora exact match .info/.me takeslonger to rank compared to even a PMD?
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      Mosa,

      As far as domain names go if the exact match .com/net/org is not available do you ever go with hyphenated exact match domain or a .info or .me exact match? Or always stick with the top 3 TLDs and just add a suffix to make it a PMD?

      Have you done any tests if the exact match with hyphens ora exact match .info/.me takeslonger to rank compared to even a PMD?

      Also on your sites do you use just 1 Adsense block per page or multiple ad units? Do you pit ad blocks within content for best conversion?
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    mosa, mind update us on your daily earning this week?
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    nice achievement. i hope you reach your goal soon ^^
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Mosa,

      As far as domain names go if the exact match .com/net/org is not available do you ever go with hyphenated exact match domain or a .info or .me exact match? Or always stick with the top 3 TLDs and just add a suffix to make it a PMD?

      Have you done any tests if the exact match with hyphens ora exact match .info/.me takeslonger to rank compared to even a PMD?
      Sorry to dissapoint MrTrance, but we have never gone for hyphenated domains nor have we tested .info or .me. I've just done research in the past that said they were not good to go with, so I didn't bother second guessing this. Maybe we'll try some tests on this someday.


      Originally Posted by Sillysoft View Post

      Well I am a web developer full time, so my understanding of how the web works was already there. About 2 years ago I built a site on the side wanting to make money on my own with adsense, didn't know what the heck I was doing and admit I didn't event try hard. However little by little this one site increased in traffic and increased in earnings. Fast forward to the early part of 2011 I decided to learn as much as I could about adsense to increase my earnings so all I did was read about adsense and how to optimize the site at the same time increase my knowledge about SEO optimization etc. By Jan 2012 I was averaging $1000 a month in adsense revenue for this one site and ended up selling it on flippa for 5 figures.

      After that I took a couple of weeks off, spent some money , then decided if I could do that with one site then just think how much I could make with multiple sites. So mid/late part of January of this year I started building out more sites, my oldest one was in January. However most have been made within the past 3 months.

      Its funny, I set out to have my goal at $100 a day, I get there but I find myself still not happy though because I feel I can make more and I also continue to feel that I need to diversify my earnings by switching to something like Amazon. But its hard because I SUCK at writing. I think I might bite the bullet finally and just pay for articles, I have always done things on my own but writing is just not something I do very well.
      Yea, I am now starting to see the broader spectrum and how we can earn much much more with what we're doing as well.

      Outsourcing writing is really not that bad. You have to filter through a bit of crappy writers, but there are definitely a lot of good writers willing to do articles for cheap.

      Originally Posted by risingrank View Post

      mosa, mind update us on your daily earning this week?
      Daily earnings is sitting around $160-170 per day. We haven't pushed as hard to get this much higher yet, but we will be hitting it hard again soon.
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    Can you give the sample of your site with high visitors...
    PM me
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      Originally Posted by pdfcafe View Post

      Can you give the sample of your site with high visitors...
      PM me
      We thought about revealing one of our niches, but someone brought it to our attention that this would actually not be a good idea because it would expose too much of our personal information. So at the moment, i'm trying to figure out a good way to show people some good examples without exposing our accounts to any unnecessary risks.
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      • Profile picture of the author saganator
        Mosa - Awesome to hear you're already at the $160+ level.

        Could you expand on how your VAs go about building high PR links for software sites, and where to find quality VAs?
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        We thought about revealing one of our niches, but someone brought it to our attention that this would actually not be a good idea because it would expose too much of our personal information. So at the moment, i'm trying to figure out a good way to show people some good examples without exposing our accounts to any unnecessary risks.
        Just a suggestion, but how about just showing us a general mockup of how a site is structured as far as content, images, ad units, etc. You don't have to reveal your niche, just take an image or setup a dummy url for say a keyword like "dog training class" (as an example since the "dog training" keyword is used so often in the IM world). I think that would be very helpful for alot of people.

        Maybe put up a demo site that uses either the CTR or Niche Website theme so that we get a visual sense of how the sites are setup.
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    Hi Moza, how do you keep up with having fresh content for this many sites?
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    Seems you are reaching your goal very soon. Good luck and keep us posted.
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    Hi

    @Mosa, how do you build your backlinks?
    Do you buying fiverr gigs for all your sites /deeper pages or the domain only?

    How do you build backlinks to the inner pages- some 5-10 sb backlinks for every page or more???????

    marco005
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    oh!!! you are going massive. but still i cant able to get Google adsense..
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  • Profile picture of the author betsyanne
    Thanks for the heads up about Magic Submitter. I will have to go check that out. It is also good to hear about people with lots of traffic. It is motivating! I gave a thanks message after that posting (above).

    Now I need to learn about your "VA that builds high PR software links." Thanks for the information, and I wish you the very best of luck with all your blogs and sites.
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    This is just extraordinary that you manage to make that money every single day!! That means that you have great traffic and also a pretty good CTR right ?
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  • Profile picture of the author markanthony73
    great read and congratulations on your success. I even signed up to your blog

    I myself seemed to have lucked into a decent adsense site (I guessed good keywords), I'm on page 1 for loads or rubbish keywords, and the beginning of page 2 for about a total 4 keywords that receive 27,000 exact searches. I put adsense on a week ago and have made $6

    My website design is horrible, as I should be making more in revenue. I've had 277 visits today so far, so my click rate is terrible. Anyway, I'm blethering.

    All the best and I hope you reach your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinmartinjr
    Sorry, but I personally myself dont approve of Adsense. I prefer sites that give almost just as much traffic with much less expensive keywords such as 7search.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by markanthony73 View Post

      great read and congratulations on your success. I even signed up to your blog

      I myself seemed to have lucked into a decent adsense site (I guessed good keywords), I'm on page 1 for loads or rubbish keywords, and the beginning of page 2 for about a total 4 keywords that receive 27,000 exact searches. I put adsense on a week ago and have made $6

      My website design is horrible, as I should be making more in revenue. I've had 277 visits today so far, so my click rate is terrible. Anyway, I'm blethering.

      All the best and I hope you reach your goal.
      Hmm, it could either be the niche you're in, or your site design. If you want me to take a look at it to see if there are ways for you to improve the monetization, I can. Just pm me.

      Originally Posted by kevinmartinjr View Post

      Sorry, but I personally myself dont approve of Adsense. I prefer sites that give almost just as much traffic with much less expensive keywords such as 7search.
      Never heard of 7search, i'll check it out.
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Hmm, it could either be the niche you're in, or your site design. If you want me to take a look at it to see if there are ways for you to improve the monetization, I can. Just pm me.
        Thanks for that Mosa. I can't PM just now as I don't have a high enough post count. I'll contact you at your blog though if that's OK?
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Hmm, it could either be the niche you're in, or your site design. If you want me to take a look at it to see if there are ways for you to improve the monetization, I can. Just pm me.



        Never heard of 7search, i'll check it out.
        Mosa, I think that must be a confusion. 7Search is a PPC site. Not a revenue making site like Adsense. 7search and Adwords would be a better comparison.
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          Originally Posted by dakar View Post

          Mosa, I think that must be a confusion. 7Search is a PPC site. Not a revenue making site like Adsense. 7search and Adwords would be a better comparison.
          I'm sure he was addressing me Dakar. My site is just an informational site, using adsense for revenue.
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            Originally Posted by markanthony73 View Post

            I'm sure he was addressing me Dakar. My site is just an informational site, using adsense for revenue.
            Got it! Thanks
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    Wow thanks for sharing all this information, definitely inspirational in a time of SERP Turmoil!
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO4hire
    Hello Mosa. Congrats on the success. Hopefully I will one day be earning $150+ a day as well. Right now, my goal is $100 a day. So far, it sounds like you:
    - Only create content for the home page, and use 1000 words
    - Only use magic submitter and high PR backlinks to get your sites ranked

    A few questions:
    - What do you typically do in terms of on-site SEO?
    - Do you invest in high quality LSI type content, or just use a cheap article writer?
    - Are these high PR links from blogrolls? Contextual backlinks? Blog comments?

    Any feedback is greatly appreciated...
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    hello mosa,

    i am getting started with ms thanks to you. what is a usualy campaing you guys run with ms
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    What's the avg amount of money each site is making and what is the total avg cost per site for seo per site? Just want to know the avg roi per site (not counting content creation, web developement, hosting, etc) just seo/revenue per month
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by markanthony73 View Post

      Thanks for that Mosa. I can't PM just now as I don't have a high enough post count. I'll contact you at your blog though if that's OK?
      That's alright with me

      Originally Posted by SEO4hire View Post

      Hello Mosa. Congrats on the success. Hopefully I will one day be earning $150+ a day as well. Right now, my goal is $100 a day. So far, it sounds like you:
      - Only create content for the home page, and use 1000 words
      - Only use magic submitter and high PR backlinks to get your sites ranked

      A few questions:
      - What do you typically do in terms of on-site SEO?
      - Do you invest in high quality LSI type content, or just use a cheap article writer?
      - Are these high PR links from blogrolls? Contextual backlinks? Blog comments?

      Any feedback is greatly appreciated...
      We create more than one article once the site is ranking and making money. If it's not ranking then we archive it. Hmm I'll talk a lot about on page optimization on the next post I make, but in general I optimize tags, description, titles, and keywords to have the main keyword and related keywords. The article has 1% keyword density and utilizes LSI keywords. We really try to get quality articles now because we want to provide value, however, in the beginning we ranked some really crappy content. Although content will probably improve your CTR, the search engines still let you get away with garbage content - I know this from experience. And lastly, the high PR links are Software links. the va builds a software, inserts a backlink in the PAD and submits it to software directories.

      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Any update on showing us a demo or mockup?
      I'm going to be working on it this weekend. I've been really busy this week - we had a flea infestation that needed to be handled... my wife and I had to washed all the carpets, put spot on treatment on our cat, and we slept at our pastor's house for a few days because the fleas we biting us like crazy!
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        That's alright with me
        And lastly, the high PR links are Software links. the va builds a software, inserts a backlink in the PAD and submits it to software directories.
        Mosa. I have a question about the software backlinks from PAD files. Aren't you a little scared or cautious with those links considering that the links do not come from related sites? if you're niche site is about Pets, how would a link from a software directory benefit you? Isn't this what Google is penalizing sites for? Just wanted to get your thoughts and feedback on that.
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        That's alright with me

        Hi Mosa,

        I took you up on that offer and posted on your blog, if you get a chance to look, that would be very much appreciated.

        I liked the keyword research video too. I might need to invest in that keyword tool.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by markanthony73 View Post

          Hi Mosa,

          I took you up on that offer and posted on your blog, if you get a chance to look, that would be very much appreciated.

          I liked the keyword research video too. I might need to invest in that keyword tool.
          It really is a great tool. You can do research without investing in tools, but I think you'll only be hurting yourself more in the long run. Like I said, we hit an 80% success rate on profitable keywords.
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post



        I'm going to be working on it this weekend. I've been really busy this week - we had a flea infestation that needed to be handled... my wife and I had to washed all the carpets, put spot on treatment on our cat, and we slept at our pastor's house for a few days because the fleas we biting us like crazy!
        Any new update on this? It'd be nice to see a mockup of the Niche Website Theme.
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    Congrats Mosa - glad to see you are making progress.
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    Originally Posted by dakar View Post

    Mosa. I have a question about the software backlinks from PAD files. Aren't you a little scared or cautious with those links considering that the links do not come from related sites? if you're niche site is about Pets, how would a link from a software directory benefit you? Isn't this what Google is penalizing sites for? Just wanted to get your thoughts and feedback on that.
    Well, I know you can build powerpoint presentations and they count as software - so you can potentially just build a powerpoint of your topic. Many people don't do it this way, including our VA. But these links do work and they are very powerful.
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      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      Well, I know you can build powerpoint presentations and they count as software - so you can potentially just build a powerpoint of your topic. Many people don't do it this way, including our VA. But these links do work and they are very powerful.
      Hi Mosa,
      I would love to know more about powerpoint links because that's definitely my cup of tea. For starters, how can i put up a ppt file on a website (wordpress type websites)?
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    Awesome Mosa. I am sure you and Trevor are going to be the next Adsense Flippers. I appreciate your detailed(BS free) approach to make $$, both here and on WSO Testers as well. Hope to see your continued success. Keep it up!
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    How many sites are you operating with at what CPC?

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    mosa, let say you just created a site. what is your next steps with ms ?
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      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Any new update on this? It'd be nice to see a mockup of the Niche Website Theme.
      Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

      mosa, let say you just created a site. what is your next steps with ms ?
      I'm working on trying to get some tutorials up right now, but camtasia is not being nice. The video is stopping, but the audio keeps playing. If anyone knows the solution to this I may be able to get this done faster.
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    ok thanks. do you have a affiliate link i can sign up with ms through you guys ?
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    It's cool that you guys can make so much money. I use magic submitter and it works very well.
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    That was really a hefty goal!.. But it seems that you guys are doing it right as you are making some huge jumps...

    I will be following this thread and see how I can do it with my websites..

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        Originally Posted by joshpat2 View Post

        ok thanks. do you have a affiliate link i can sign up with ms through you guys ?
        Hey Josphat, thank you for that, I pm'ed you. All our links and information can be found on WSOtesters.com - We try to update our site regularly.

        Originally Posted by Oling View Post

        That was really a hefty goal!.. But it seems that you guys are doing it right as you are making some huge jumps...

        I will be following this thread and see how I can do it with my websites..

        Thanks
        Oling
        Hey Oling, July is almost over and we still haven't hit our goal haha! We've just had a lot of other things going on so we haven't been able to push the pace quite yet.

        Originally Posted by RayWhite View Post

        Hi there Mosa, you may remember me from your blog "Ray". All these days I have been researching on keyword research. I first stumbled on a youtube video which was completely misguiding people on keyword research using "phrase match". I spent roughly 100-200 GBP ($350) on domains, hosting etc. But the keywords and domains were completely not researched at all. I learned from my mistakes and I moved on.

        I stumbled on niche pursuits first, then your blog and smart passive income. I found your blog the easiest to digest information as it was explained clearly.

        Now I found, 30 keywords, filtered them to 16 and waiting for the launch.

        I'm just waiting for your complete backlinking post/guide then I'm ready to be set. Is there anything else I should add to the list? Outsourcing, more research etc?

        Furthermore, what tips would you give in terms of execution of these websites.

        Thank You
        Hey Ray, it's been really hectic this month as far as both personal and business - and all things aside, I've been slacking on getting those tutorials up. However, our 'setting up sites' tutorial should be up tomorrow, and our backlinking guide should be up sometime next week for sure.
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    Mosa - nice job on the increase. I sent you a note via Twitter and will be checking out MS through your link. All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Mosa,

    In your tutorial on "LEARNING FROM OTHERS" you went over how if the .com/net/org were already taken and there were similar microniche sites made for that keyword and optimized (both onpage & offpage), but if they weren't ranking it might be that the keyword is much more difficult than say what LTP shows or even from a manual analysis of the top 10.

    What I have been noticing recently is that pretty much for many keywords that seem to fit that your criteria and when the top 3 domains are already taken none of those sites seem to rank on the first page 1 for that main keyword (even if the onpage and offpage is fine). I've gone through many keywords and this seems to be the case over and over again. Even for ones that I know are super easy to rank and low monthly searches (i.e. 500 or so exact a month) when I check for domain availability for these all 3 of the top level ones are taken. However, if there is a site already setup for one of those domains and optimized it does not seem to rank though.

    Before I would find quite a few of these sites pretty much for every keyword I went for. Now the situation is idifferent.

    In your video you mentioned that you wouldn't go for such a keyword if you came upon such a scenario, but I'm thinking that many of these sites might have just been hit with the Penguin update (possibly for over optimized anchor texts) and that is why they are not ranking. It's probably not the competition that is hard, but more like many of these sites got hit with some of the recent updates.

    For me if I follow your suggestion from the video, I would pretty much conclude every keyword is difficult since just about all the ones I want to target the top 3 are taken and setup as microniche sites, but none of them are even in the top 100 even though competition is super easy.

    So what is your take on this? I need to get this right from the beginning to make sure it's a good keyword otherwise it's time wasted.
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  • Profile picture of the author linkmetro
    mosa,

    how much is your expenses/month? I know ms is like $70/month or so...?
    Thx
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  • Profile picture of the author Dianzo
    Wow, amazing results. But if I may ask, what do you think if the a website with visitor 1 k/day just getting the earning $ 5/day, what is reasonable. Any suggestions? Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Mosa,

      In your tutorial on "LEARNING FROM OTHERS" you went over how if the .com/net/org were already taken and there were similar microniche sites made for that keyword and optimized (both onpage & offpage), but if they weren't ranking it might be that the keyword is much more difficult than say what LTP shows or even from a manual analysis of the top 10.

      What I have been noticing recently is that pretty much for many keywords that seem to fit that your criteria and when the top 3 domains are already taken none of those sites seem to rank on the first page 1 for that main keyword (even if the onpage and offpage is fine). I've gone through many keywords and this seems to be the case over and over again. Even for ones that I know are super easy to rank and low monthly searches (i.e. 500 or so exact a month) when I check for domain availability for these all 3 of the top level ones are taken. However, if there is a site already setup for one of those domains and optimized it does not seem to rank though.

      Before I would find quite a few of these sites pretty much for every keyword I went for. Now the situation is idifferent.

      In your video you mentioned that you wouldn't go for such a keyword if you came upon such a scenario, but I'm thinking that many of these sites might have just been hit with the Penguin update (possibly for over optimized anchor texts) and that is why they are not ranking. It's probably not the competition that is hard, but more like many of these sites got hit with some of the recent updates.

      For me if I follow your suggestion from the video, I would pretty much conclude every keyword is difficult since just about all the ones I want to target the top 3 are taken and setup as microniche sites, but none of them are even in the top 100 even though competition is super easy.

      So what is your take on this? I need to get this right from the beginning to make sure it's a good keyword otherwise it's time wasted.
      What tools are you using to filter through your keywords, because my first thought is that you're spending a lot of unnecessary time. We find keywords left and right with available tld domains, and we find sniper sites all the time.

      Anyway, I mentioned that it might be questionable to go for a keyword where the .com, .net, and .org couldn't make it... but only if they seemed to be optimized properly. I briefly mentioned even checking their backlinks - you can even check their anchor texts if you'd like. Personally I never go too far into the analysis simply because we find enough keywords with domain availability or sniper sites at the top.

      If you're using tools like Long Tail Pro or SEMrush, you'll blast through a ridiculous amount of keywords. That being said, I've spent an hour finding 0 good keywords...but i've also spent an hour where I found 10. Good keywords seem to hang around in bulk.

      Originally Posted by linkmetro View Post

      mosa,

      how much is your expenses/month? I know ms is like $70/month or so...?
      Thx
      I think last month we spent around $1600 on all our expenses.

      Originally Posted by Dianzo View Post

      Wow, amazing results. But if I may ask, what do you think if the a website with visitor 1 k/day just getting the earning $ 5/day, what is reasonable. Any suggestions? Thanks
      $5/day for one small site? That's a great result, in my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        What tools are you using to filter through your keywords, because my first thought is that you're spending a lot of unnecessary time. We find keywords left and right with available tld domains, and we find sniper sites all the time.

        Anyway, I mentioned that it might be questionable to go for a keyword where the .com, .net, and .org couldn't make it... but only if they seemed to be optimized properly. I briefly mentioned even checking their backlinks - you can even check their anchor texts if you'd like. Personally I never go too far into the analysis simply because we find enough keywords with domain availability or sniper sites at the top.

        If you're using tools like Long Tail Pro or SEMrush, you'll blast through a ridiculous amount of keywords. That being said, I've spent an hour finding 0 good keywords...but i've also spent an hour where I found 10. Good keywords seem to hang around in bulk.
        Well what I've been doing is kinda reverse engineering how I target which niches to go into. I've been able to find pages upon pages of these types of microniche sites by doing a Google search using a specific search string. This pulls up all the various niches and keywords that people have already made sites for so keyword research has already been done to a certain extent. (I don't really have to start with a root keyword at this point to see what other long tails I get since these sites have already take care of it and done the research).

        What I do is just take the keyword from the SERP title (the root keyword for which they based their site on and is in most cases an EMD) and check search volume and CPC to see if it meets your formula, then domain availability (here is where pretty much for all these sites the 3 TLDs are pretty much taken...some have the just the .info available) and then do a quick page 1 competition analysis based on your criteria.

        After going thru quite few of these keywords/sites the majority of the top 3 TLDs that are already registered and are setup similar to your method are not on the first page for their main term (By the way many of these have many internal pages as well). The onpage SEO seems to be dead on for all these sites and though I didn't go into offpage analysis for each site I would have thought that these could rank pretty easily on page 1 having looked at their search volume (many of these seem to have only 400-500 exact monthly searches) for one thing and also top 10 competition.

        So that is what I'm seeing right now as far as running into any microniche site in the top 10 for any of the top 3 TLDs. I'll start venturing into new niches and find keywords on my own and continue to use this method as well to find niches that I might not have thought about.

        It just seems odd to me that that so many of these sites are setup just like yours but pretty much none of then seem to be ranking on page 1. By the way some of these keywords are really long tail and competition on page 1 is super weak. So I'm baffled somewhat on why exactly not one of the 3 TLDs don't rank based on just onpage like before.

        Any input?
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Well what I've been doing is kinda reverse engineering how I target which niches to go into. I've been able to find pages upon pages of these types of microniche sites by doing a Google search using a specific search string. This pulls up all the various niches and keywords that people have already made sites for so keyword research has already been done to a certain extent. (I don't really have to start with a root keyword at this point to see what other long tails I get since these sites have already take care of it and done the research).

          What I do is just take the keyword from the SERP title (the root keyword for which they based their site on and is in most cases an EMD) and check search volume and CPC to see if it meets your formula, then domain availability (here is where pretty much for all these sites the 3 TLDs are pretty much taken...some have the just the .info available) and then do a quick page 1 competition analysis based on your criteria.

          After going thru quite few of these keywords/sites the majority of the top 3 TLDs that are already registered and are setup similar to your method are not on the first page for their main term (By the way many of these have many internal pages as well). The onpage SEO seems to be dead on for all these sites and though I didn't go into offpage analysis for each site I would have thought that these could rank pretty easily on page 1 having looked at their search volume (many of these seem to have only 400-500 exact monthly searches) for one thing and also top 10 competition.

          So that is what I'm seeing right now as far as running into any microniche site in the top 10 for any of the top 3 TLDs. I'll start venturing into new niches and find keywords on my own and continue to use this method as well to find niches that I might not have thought about.

          It just seems odd to me that that so many of these sites are setup just like yours but pretty much none of then seem to be ranking on page 1. By the way some of these keywords are really long tail and competition on page 1 is super weak. So I'm baffled somewhat on why exactly not one of the 3 TLDs don't rank based on just onpage like before.

          Any input?
          Mrtrance, I know exactly what you mean, but don't let the fact that the .com,.net and .org is taken and not ranking on front page stop you from going after that keyword.

          The 15 sites I had that use to make me around 2,100 a month were all based on keywords where the emd was taken, and the emd was not ranking on first page.

          My first site's main keyword was "ultrasound technician" by the time I got there all the emd were taken, so I simply made my site "my ultrasound technician.com" and at one point that site achieved first page rankings.


          Now to my surprise ultrasoundtechnicain.com has been raised from the dead and ranking number 1, I have not seen that site in the top 50 in the last 2 yrs, so I'm guessing that latest updates brought it back.Also the front page is filled with site with all kinds of variations to the keyword ultrasound technician. Just put, the,a,my in front of your keyword or add something to the end like x.

          I've also seen plenty of keywords with good search volume, 4,400 to 12,000, where the top ten results are mostly page rank 0s or n/a, have little to no backlinks,keywords is not in h1 tag,title or url. In micro niche finder I get a yellow light and in traffic travis I get a difficulty of "easy". Now these keywords do not have the emd available, and when checking the emd sites on page seo is great, but then I check their backlink profile using majestic seo like Mosa says to do, I see spammy links and lots of them, so like you said penguin must have gotten rid of most of your competition for you.


          Just earlier I made a thread asking "why do people build thousands links to keywords with low search". I found a keyword today that has 8,100 local searches a month, top ten results are a joke, when I checked all the emds, the .com version had built 195,000 spammy links, the .net seo was horrible and so was the .org, and all had really bad link profiles.


          If you find a good keyword go for it, just don't build a bunch of backlinks like most others who make these kind of sites, also please don't make it a 1 page green and black site lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            Mrtrance, I know exactly what you mean, but don't let the fact that the .com,.net and .org is taken and not ranking on front page stop you from going after that keyword.

            The 15 sites I had that use to make me around 2,100 a month were all based on keywords where the emd was taken, and the emd was not ranking on first page.

            My first site's main keyword was "ultrasound technician" by the time I got there all the emd were taken, so I simply made my site "my ultrasound technician.com" and at one point that site achieved first page rankings.


            Now to my surprise ultrasoundtechnicain.com has been raised from the dead and ranking number 1, I have not seen that site in the top 50 in the last 2 yrs, so I'm guessing that latest updates brought it back.Also the front page is filled with site with all kinds of variations to the keyword ultrasound technician. Just put, the,a,my in front of your keyword or add something to the end like x.

            I've also seen plenty of keywords with good search volume, 4,400 to 12,000, where the top ten results are mostly page rank 0s or n/a, have little to no backlinks,keywords is not in h1 tag,title or url. In micro niche finder I get a yellow light and in traffic travis I get a difficulty of "easy". Now these keywords do not have the emd available, and when checking the emd sites on page seo is great, but then I check their backlink profile using majestic seo like Mosa says to do, I see spammy links and lots of them, so like you said penguin must have gotten rid of most of your competition for you.


            Just earlier I made a thread asking "why do people build thousands links to keywords with low search". I found a keyword today that has 8,100 local searches a month, top ten results are a joke, when I checked all the emds, the .com version had built 195,000 spammy links, the .net seo was horrible and so was the .org, and all had really bad link profiles.


            If you find a good keyword go for it, just don't build a bunch of backlinks like most others who make these kind of sites, also please don't make it a 1 page green and black site lol.
            Ya it just seems that for just about every keyword I research with low comp on page 1 that the .com, .net, and .org are taken, but none of these are ranking on the first 5 pages at least.

            Some at least have the .info available so I was thinking of grabbing those and see if I can rank it on page 1 instead of adding a suffix or prefix with a .com.

            So based on your findings is adding an x to the end or guide, hq, or my at the front does it really take that much longer to rank? Say if an EMD with .org ranked on page 1 after a week with just onpage optimization will a partial match domain that has an "x, hq, site, etc." added to the end take just the same amount of time if the onpage was done exactly the same as the EMD that ranked after 1 week?

            Also is it better to just an extra letter to end or a whole word and does adding more actually dilute it further thus making it harder to rank as fast?
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

              Ya it just seems that for just about every keyword I research with low comp on page 1 that the .com, .net, and .org are taken, but none of these are ranking on the first 5 pages at least.

              Some at least have the .info available so I was thinking of grabbing those and see if I can rank it on page 1 instead of adding a suffix or prefix with a .com.

              So based on your findings is adding an x to the end or guide, hq, or my at the front does it really take that much longer to rank? Say if an EMD with .org ranked on page 1 after a week with just onpage optimization will a partial match domain that has an "x, hq, site, etc." added to the end take just the same amount of time if the onpage was done exactly the same as the EMD that ranked after 1 week?

              Also is it better to just an extra letter to end or a whole word and does adding more actually dilute it further thus making it harder to rank as fast?
              I really don't think emd matters I see plenty of sites ranking for keywords and the keyword is not in the domain name. On top of that, I don't think Google will continue to give emd extra seo value knowing they are commonly used by IMers.

              I really can't offer to much advice in this area because all of my old sites got traffic through long tail searches, it was never my intention to be on page one, but at the same time just putting a letter before or after the keyword in the domain seem to work just fine.

              The thing that you are noticing is nothing new, when I did keyword research in 2010, I remember seeing a lot of keywords with the emd taken, yet they were nowhere to be found on front page, or the top 50 pages for that matter.

              They most likely did something wrong, or other competitors used black hat techniques to out rank them. For example when I first went after "ultrasound technician" competition wasn't that bad, the top person only had 3,000 backlinks. Than out of nowhere other sites started popping up with 10,000,15,000 and the this one guy went from having just a couple thousand to having 36,000, and he took the top spot.

              Now when I look at the top 30 results for that keyword, all of those sites are gone. So just take advantage of the situation, things are much easier after all these updates. If you found a keyword that gets 11,000 local searches most likely all the emd will be gone, and probably were bought months or yrs before you found that keyword.

              Just do as much on page seo as possible, and when it comes to building links just be careful of what kind you make and you should rank just fine. In the end you will have to test things yourself.

              Don't go after low competition keywords with 580,720,880, or even 1,000. Set the filters in whatever software your using to in between 3,000 and 12,000. I'm telling you I've found 10 keywords yesterday, all fit Mosa's criteria and the search volume was good.

              Think about it, if you want to make the most money in the shortest amount of time, and also with the least amount of sites as possible you'll need to up your standards for local search.

              Would you rather make 1,000 dollars a month from 50 sites that focused on low search volume or would you rather make that from 10 site because you went after higher search volume.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            Mrtrance, I know exactly what you mean, but don't let the fact that the .com,.net and .org is taken and not ranking on front page stop you from going after that keyword.

            The 15 sites I had that use to make me around 2,100 a month were all based on keywords where the emd was taken, and the emd was not ranking on first page.

            My first site's main keyword was "ultrasound technician" by the time I got there all the emd were taken, so I simply made my site "my ultrasound technician.com" and at one point that site achieved first page rankings.
            Whatever happened to your ultrasound tech website? Did it get deindexed or did you take it down? How about your other sites in that group? Are you still doing anything with those or you left them?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO4hire
    Hello again Mosa. I just checked out your on-site SEO tutorial...nice work. Quick question: How did your sites hold up after the July 25th Panda update? Did your portfolio take a hit at all?
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  • Profile picture of the author skywalkerph
    hello mosa,

    i like to ask this questions.
    how many do you have VA's (seo link builders and article writers) and how much do you pay your VA's per month?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author TimeTravelAgent
    $150 a day sounds like a dream come true to me. I can't even make that in a month!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by SEO4hire View Post

      Hello again Mosa. I just checked out your on-site SEO tutorial...nice work. Quick question: How did your sites hold up after the July 25th Panda update? Did your portfolio take a hit at all?
      Honestly it's too early to tell. If we did get touched, then it must be very minimal so far because yesterday and todays earnings are still looking good.

      Originally Posted by skywalkerph View Post

      hello mosa,

      i like to ask this questions.
      how many do you have VA's (seo link builders and article writers) and how much do you pay your VA's per month?

      thanks
      We have 2 VAs and 10 article writers. We pay the VAs $2/hr.
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        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Honestly it's too early to tell. If we did get touched, then it must be very minimal so far because yesterday and todays earnings are still looking good.



        We have 2 VAs and 10 article writers. We pay the VAs $2/hr.
        Wow $2/hr? Could you PM me which VAs you use? Thanks
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          Originally Posted by saganator View Post

          Wow $2/hr? Could you PM me which VAs you use? Thanks
          Hey Saganator. We keep our VAs pretty busy so they only have the time to work for us at the moment. Just search on odesk and make sure to interview them. You can find a good one if you put a little effort in it.
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            Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

            Hey Saganator. We keep our VAs pretty busy so they only have the time to work for us at the moment. Just search on odesk and make sure to interview them. You can find a good one if you put a little effort in it.
            Hey Mosa, hows it going? Wanted to stop in and see how things were progressing. Tried hitting you up on skype but no response! :p
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    I saw your thread on another site, how are your other 30 sites coming along?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    I noticed that for that ultrasound keyword there is even a free wordpress subdomain ranking in the 4th spot now. Before when checking that keyword none of those top sites that ranking now were there, but it seems like Google brought them back once again. The SERPs seem to be changing constantly now unlike before. I wonder how those sites all of a sudden came back to life.

    By the way whatever happened to your ultrasound site?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      I noticed that for that ultrasound keyword there is even a free wordpress subdomain ranking in the 4th spot now. Before when checking that keyword none of those top sites that ranking now were there, but it seems like Google brought them back once again. The SERPs seem to be changing constantly now unlike before. I wonder how those sites all of a sudden came back to life.

      By the way whatever happened to your ultrasound site?
      All of my old sites including the ultrasound one got hit by unnatural links notice, resulting in a huge loss of rankings and income. I am just now starting to rebuild what I once had. I learned a lot since than and have a much better understanding of things.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        All of my old sites including the ultrasound one got hit by unnatural links notice, resulting in a huge loss of rankings and income. I am just now starting to rebuild what I once had. I learned a lot since than and have a much better understanding of things.
        I thought when I read your method you were getting traffic from long tails and weren't relying on heavy backlinking to move up the SERPs. You would target super long keywords that showed up from your initial articles and then optimized for those which got you more further rankings for other long tails.

        How did you get the unnatural links notice if you weren't doing any of the spamming backlinks everywhere?

        Your sites were not deindexed correct, but just took a hit in the rankings with drops of 200+ stops?
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          I thought when I read your method you were getting traffic from long tails and weren't relying on heavy backlinking to move up the SERPs. You would target super long keywords that showed up from your initial articles and then optimized for those which got you more further rankings for other long tails.

          How did you get the unnatural links notice if you weren't doing any of the spamming backlinks everywhere?

          Your sites were not deindexed correct, but just took a hit in the rankings with drops of 200+ stops?
          I stopped using spammy links after I got hit with the unnatural links notice. I linked almost exclusively to the homepage using article marketing,fiverr,social bookmarks and forum profiles. The long tail articles ranked on there own as a result.

          Now I just use social bookmarks and web 2.0s, and a few manual blog comments on the top blogs in my niche.

          Also I'm no longer doing informational sites, I've turned my attention to buyer friendly keywords. I been just doing a ton of keyword research lately, now I'm just picking out templates. Also these kind of sites are much cheaper to produce. If you were to make a product based site your descriptions only need to be any were from 150 to 250 words, the rest of the page can be filled with manufacture stats. So now for a hundred dollars I can make at least 5 sites, that are 20 pages each, vs my old business model where each page required a 500 word article.


          I never really experiment with seo,ranking site etc, I still have a lot to learn. Rite now I making five sites that could be monetized either by amazon or adsense.
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    That's great. I used Niche Blitzkrieg and had marginal success. Keep up good work!
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    congrats to your work mosa ..

    i would like to ask what adsense channel did you use ?
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    Wow, $150 per day, that is awesome amount of money. anyway congrats.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Hey Mr. Trance, like they were saying above you can still rank without EMD. Also the guidelines I set are just that...guidelines. You can break them and still rank. However, we find that sticking to them yields the highest success rate.

    I should mention though, that now that we've been a little successful lately, we're starting to really break some of those guidelines for the sake of experimentation.
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    I spent almost an entire hour reading the complete thread.
    Captivating! Really.
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      Originally Posted by leontina View Post

      I spent almost an entire hour reading the complete thread.
      Captivating! Really.
      Yea, it's grown quite a bit, haha. The sad part is, we still haven't gotten close to $240 per day and it's another month later. But, we have had some other cool projects that have started to take face. I really believe it's true that success breeds success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ray
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Yea, it's grown quite a bit, haha. The sad part is, we still haven't gotten close to $240 per day and it's another month later. But, we have had some other cool projects that have started to take face. I really believe it's true that success breeds success.
        I commented on your other thread about the quality of the sites. It sounded like you weren't putting up very thorough sites, and putting up a lot of them.

        What do you think is the problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Mosa,

    Would you target a keyword if the .com/.net/.org/.info are all taken (would need a PMD), but none of those 4 rank in on the first page? I've attached a keyword competition analysis for the top 10 sites using Traffic Travis. Now TT puts this keyword at very difficult though I don't really on that and just examine the data myself from the top 10. This keyword has 4400 exact searches a month with a $1.30 CPC. What do you think based on just the top 10 sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author greatar4
    Good job, I hope on day I may do the same with my sites. Getting targeted traffic is the most important things as far as Google ad-sense is concerned. The click through rate seems to be much higher when the traffic that you get is targeted.
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  • Profile picture of the author papifiar
    How much money you use to start this project?
    Your adsense earnings are really great, it's like a dream for me.
    Thanks mosa...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by Daniel Ray View Post

      I commented on your other thread about the quality of the sites. It sounded like you weren't putting up very thorough sites, and putting up a lot of them.

      What do you think is the problem?
      Hey Daniel, I'm not really sure what problem you're referring to here.

      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Mosa,

      Would you target a keyword if the .com/.net/.org/.info are all taken (would need a PMD), but none of those 4 rank in on the first page? I've attached a keyword competition analysis for the top 10 sites using Traffic Travis. Now TT puts this keyword at very difficult though I don't really on that and just examine the data myself from the top 10. This keyword has 4400 exact searches a month with a $1.30 CPC. What do you think based on just the top 10 sites?
      I wasn't able to load the image. But if all the good TLDs are taken, and not ranking, you need to just really examine the sites that are left on the top ten - PR, on page optimization, and backlinks if you want to make sure you rank. The guidelines I posted on our tutorials are just guidelines to get the highest percentage of success. You can break the guidelines and still rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Are you spinning with thebestspinner? Or are you manually spinning?
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  • Profile picture of the author mikasse
    112 $ for 1905 views !! good job man but I think that dangereus for your ''' Account Adsense ( Page CTR It's will be High !! The normaly valeur of CTR page's 0.5-5% )))

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  • Profile picture of the author flyingeagle
    mosa .. i got 1 million monthly ad views and got US$ 180 can you give me advise ?
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  • Profile picture of the author laiba
    unfortunately I lost my adsense account how can i get a new one can anyone tell me pls
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  • Profile picture of the author rhensiong
    What methods do you use to achieve $240 per day? Because my account has been banned by Google on the reason of invalid clicks. Though I never did click on my own website.
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  • Profile picture of the author online fighter
    you really do a nice job.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Are you spinning with thebestspinner? Or are you manually spinning?
      We do manual spinning with the best spinner.

      Originally Posted by mikasse View Post

      112 $ for 1905 views !! good job man but I think that dangereus for your ''' Account Adsense ( Page CTR It's will be High !! The normaly valeur of CTR page's 0.5-5% )))
      Well we were lucky enough to have found a couple of niches that yielded 20% CTRs. We pretty much dominated these niches and it's bumped up our CTR to around 10%. Since they are all valid clicks I'm not worried about it.

      Originally Posted by flyingeagle View Post

      mosa .. i got 1 million monthly ad views and got US$ 180 can you give me advise ?
      That certainly is a lot of views. I'm guessing you're ranking in a fairly competitive niche. If you feel comfortable enough, you can pm the site details and I can break down how we can improve your CTR.

      Originally Posted by laiba View Post

      unfortunately I lost my adsense account how can i get a new one can anyone tell me pls
      A bunch of internet marketers went bonkers when they found out Spencer Haws had been banned from adsense and lost his $10k+ per month passive income. But recently he released a post saying that he quietly had created a second LLC and reapplied for adsense just a couple weeks after the ban. He placed ads back up and since then he's been paid a couple of times already.
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      • Profile picture of the author flyingeagle
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        We do manual spinning with the best spinner.

        That certainly is a lot of views. I'm guessing you're ranking in a fairly competitive niche. If you feel comfortable enough, you can pm the site details and I can break down how we can improve your CTR.
        mosa .
        i have sent you PM please check .. thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author shalwan
    wow $150 per day is not bad how do you do that ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Trevor
    Awesome job man and keep it going!
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  • Profile picture of the author ambrown31
    Great job making that much, since it is still more then most people make working a full time job. I've tried the whole adsense gig but was never able to make more than a $1 with it. You must have a great stream of traffic though. Have any recommendations for article marketing?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Mart
    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by flyingeagle View Post

      mosa .
      i have sent you PM please check .. thank you
      Just pmed you back.

      Originally Posted by ambrown31 View Post

      Great job making that much, since it is still more then most people make working a full time job. I've tried the whole adsense gig but was never able to make more than a $1 with it. You must have a great stream of traffic though. Have any recommendations for article marketing?
      Do you mean, how do we submit to our article directories? If that's the case then we use magic submitter.

      Originally Posted by komplex View Post

      Congrats on $150, $300/Day would be my ideal goal.
      Yea, we're working on it...
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      • Profile picture of the author DaCheese
        Mosa,

        Thanks for the great tips man....But how do you do PAD submissions? Do you send out screensavers, HTML webpages in .exe format or .PDF files?

        If possible could you please tell or show me how to get them done either here or via PM??

        Thanks for the great posts again and keep them coming.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by DaCheese View Post

          Mosa,

          Thanks for the great tips man....But how do you do PAD submissions? Do you send out screensavers, HTML webpages in .exe format or .PDF files?

          If possible could you please tell or show me how to get them done either here or via PM??

          Thanks for the great posts again and keep them coming.

          Hey DaCheese, I'll make a tutorial on it soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    So the income report is in, and we're still far from $240 per day...haha. But I guess we had so many other focuses that it only makes sense that we'd fall short.
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    • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      So the income report is in, and we're still far from $240 per day...haha. But I guess we had so many other focuses that it only makes sense that we'd fall short.
      Hey Mosa,

      Firstly, thanks for the info you have contributed to the forum in the last few weeks. Secondly, I have a few questions:

      - how is your 30 day challenge going?

      - do you check your income on a daily/weekly/monthly basis? I am forever spending time checking stats when I should be getting on with work!

      Thanks,

      J
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Autrey
    It's easy to get there, just add 50 more sites, LOL! Kidding, good luck man. I'm at about $2 a day right now with 3 sites. Gonna add 20-40 more by the end of October!
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    • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
      Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

      So the income report is in, and we're still far from $240 per day...haha. But I guess we had so many other focuses that it only makes sense that we'd fall short.
      Nice earnings. Keep going


      Originally Posted by marketforus1 View Post

      It's easy to get there, just add 50 more sites, LOL! Kidding, good luck man. I'm at about $2 a day right now with 3 sites. Gonna add 20-40 more by the end of October!
      LOL, pretty insane input
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  • Profile picture of the author Cricket Betting Blog
    Jeepers, makes my £5 a month look fairly garbage!

    Will have to put a lot more work into it. It's good to see that it can be done, find these threads very helpful.

    Well done Mosa
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  • Profile picture of the author fearos
    keep up the goodwork hope to replicate some of your success through my sites!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by marketforus1 View Post

      It's easy to get there, just add 50 more sites, LOL! Kidding, good luck man. I'm at about $2 a day right now with 3 sites. Gonna add 20-40 more by the end of October!
      $2 a day is a great start. The great thing is that you at least know it actually works so you can start scaling and taking it to new heights. Keep us updated on your progress!

      Originally Posted by jodiesmitham View Post

      Hey Mosa,

      Firstly, thanks for the info you have contributed to the forum in the last few weeks. Secondly, I have a few questions:

      - how is your 30 day challenge going?

      - do you check your income on a daily/weekly/monthly basis? I am forever spending time checking stats when I should be getting on with work!

      Thanks,

      J
      I think I updated that not too long ago, but yea the next batch of 30 are going pretty well, we're still working to get a few more of them indexed and we'll likely start backlinking this week. In the beginning I checked stats like 3 times a day, haha! But now I check it maybe 2 or 3 times a week.

      Originally Posted by Cricket Betting Blog View Post

      Jeepers, makes my £5 a month look fairly garbage!

      Will have to put a lot more work into it. It's good to see that it can be done, find these threads very helpful.

      Well done Mosa
      Definitely. Keep learning and keep scaling.