How to "properly" spin an article?

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Hi all;

I'm finally getting away from the trainwreck that is automatically spun content. But I'm not sure exactly what the methods of "proper manual spinning" are that people talk about on this forum.

Does this mean just taking a 500 word article and creating 2-3 variations for every sentence? If so, how do you "know" how many variations this is good for?

Or is it even more complex than that?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author risingrank
    "proper spinning" is human readable and grammar free spinning. It can be words / sentences / paragraph. Make sure you have a few spun version of the title.
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  • Profile picture of the author WittyT
    I always try and get at least 3 different variations for all my words/groups of words...
    As long as it's readable, you're good to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author gPlayer
    Properly spin can be made by hand. I used to make 5 spuns of a article.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      The best spinner is your brainpower combined with your creative writing skills.

      If you're going to take the time to rewrite each sentence or paragraph anyway, why not just write a few more articles?

      Use the same information, but use a different unique angle that different readers can relate to.

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  • Profile picture of the author Redwyn88
    I use The Best Spinner (TBS) but the process should pretty much be the same regardless of what spinner you're using.

    The fastest way I've found is to first do "sentence spinning" and write 3 versions of each sentence. This isn't rocket science, just rephrase the same sentence real quick in 3 different ways.

    If you do that through the entire article, including any headings, you'll be most of the way there, anywhere between 50%-70% uniqueness at that point. Then you go through and do some word / phrase spinning. In TBS you can easily see and spin phrases of 2-4 words, do a few of these before bothering with individual word spinning.

    Most of the time I can push the uniqueness over 70% by doing just those 2 steps above without having to go down to the individual word level. Also this results in better articles that don't have weird grammar issues since most of your spinning is at the complete sentence level you don't end up with weird combinations.

    Another tip is to write articles that have unordered lists in them and do paragraph spins on those (first do the sentence spins, and phrase spins, so that you get those for free in every paragraph spin). You just spin the order of the bullet points where it makes sense.

    You can also do this by writing articles that contain multiple sections that would make sense in different orders, then spin the orders of those sections.
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    • Profile picture of the author jackrice
      Originally Posted by Redwyn88 View Post

      I use The Best Spinner (TBS) but the process should pretty much be the same regardless of what spinner you're using.

      The fastest way I've found is to first do "sentence spinning" and write 3 versions of each sentence. This isn't rocket science, just rephrase the same sentence real quick in 3 different ways.

      If you do that through the entire article, including any headings, you'll be most of the way there, anywhere between 50%-70% uniqueness at that point. Then you go through and do some word / phrase spinning. In TBS you can easily see and spin phrases of 2-4 words, do a few of these before bothering with individual word spinning.




      Most of the time I can push the uniqueness over 70% by doing just those 2 steps above without having to go down to the individual word level. Also this results in better articles that don't have weird grammar issues since most of your spinning is at the complete sentence level you don't end up with weird combinations.

      Another tip is to write articles that have unordered lists in them and do paragraph spins on those (first do the sentence spins, and phrase spins, so that you get those for free in every paragraph spin). You just spin the order of the bullet points where it makes sense.

      You can also do this by writing articles that contain multiple sections that would make sense in different orders, then spin the orders of those sections.



      this is a very good and cool strategy i will give it a try, i have tbs but have not try the sentence spinning option
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  • Profile picture of the author cardine
    Don't use TBS, it is not that good of a product.

    The goal should be having spintax which is unique enough and looks like a human wrote it (and not a machine).
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    • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
      Here's how to "properly" spin an article in 15 Minutes using the best spinner.

      ---> The Best Spinner - Deep Spin on Vimeo <---
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        • Profile picture of the author vdek
          Originally Posted by TommoBedhair View Post

          In my opinion, spinning is an extremely dirty way of creating content.

          I manage our content via elance - freelance bloggers are cheap, and the people I use are extremely talented and turn new content over that I actually enjoy reading.
          I agree, spinning isn't worth it in my opinion either. You fail to create a personality/author behind the words, and that is a large part of what attracts users to keep coming back for more. Why should I keep coming back to your site for your opinion when it's not really your opinion?

          I can tell almost right away if an article is spun or not and I'm sure Google will be able to eventually as well. The worst offenders are these creators of tech blogs and review sites that do product reviews without ever actually having touched the product in their life. Their reviews spun from others in the industry. What kind of value do you create by doing that?
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          • Profile picture of the author jurky
            This is how I do it, and it always brought in HUGE results for me. Keep in mind that it takes me more than 3-4 days to properly spin an article, but if you have the patience, you will reap great results, because you will literally get thousands of unique articles (compared one to another INDIVIDUALLY, not just compared to the original... if you're spinning for a long time, you'll know what it means):

            1. I use TBS, but not directly, I use an online tool that you get with it, called the Spin Wizard.

            2. I write 1 original article from scratch. The length doesn't matter, but its always around 600-1000 words.

            3. I rewrite each paragraph 10 times.

            5. I rewrite each sentence 10 times.

            6. I post this to TBS (which crashes abnormally, so keep in mind to save from time to time, meaning every 20-30 seconds lol).

            7. I go through every word and replace it with one that has similar meaning, so that the article remains readable.

            After this, you simply do what you want with it. It's an ultra readable, ultra spun article. You wanna use it for Tier 1 Web 2.0? Check! Article Directories? Check! Wiki pages? Check! You can use it basically for everything.

            GENERAL RULES: Don't make those sentences look the same. For example:

            "Annie will go to school tomorrow."

            You don't want to rewrite it to something like this:

            "Tomorrow, Annie will go to school",

            but rather to something like this:

            "Tomorrow is Monday, and this means that Annie is going to pack her bag and go to school".

            Just rewrite the original sentence 10 times this way, and you'll thank me later . The same applies to the paragraphs. Keep the same point, but rewrite it thoroughly.

            I know this is hard, and only the diligent will go through this process, but it literally means that you will have free, original, quality content on demand for your backlinking properties.

            I can go into more details, and I can show you more advanced techniques if you want me to . Hope this has helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    To create a good spun article does require time.

    If you are intending to use the spun article in many places, then you should really do three levels of spinning:

    1. Paragraph level
    2. Sentence level
    3. Word/Phrase level
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    • Profile picture of the author IMHypeless
      Originally Posted by UMS View Post

      To create a good spun article does require time.

      If you are intending to use the spun article in many places, then you should really do three levels of spinning:

      1. Paragraph level
      2. Sentence level
      3. Word/Phrase level
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      html elements spinning (images, italics, bolds, subtitles etc.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhino99
    You can also spin embedded code from YouTube videos and images to get you up to the 80 percent mark. Even after all that, a quick check for readability if you are submitting to a relatively small number of sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author weston2012
    Use protected terms when you span articles in the best spinner then your articles keyword density will be perfect.
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  • Profile picture of the author vdek
    I'm sorry but writing "Tomorrow is Monday, and this means that Annie is going to pack her bag and go to school". sounds like something a non native English speaker would write. That's not quality content and that's not something Google or web users want. Ignoring the fact that I'm quoting only one sentence, the abysmal writing quality of many posters and webmasters is readily apparent.
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    • Profile picture of the author jurky
      I gave it as an example only. It popped in a second
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    • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
      Originally Posted by vdek View Post

      I'm sorry but writing "Tomorrow is Monday, and this means that Annie is going to pack her bag and go to school". sounds like something a non native English speaker would write. That's not quality content and that's not something Google or web users want. Ignoring the fact that I'm quoting only one sentence, the abysmal writing quality of many posters and webmasters is readily apparent.
      You're missing the point entirely. He was just showing a process that works well. He was NOT telling you the exact words to write. If you think you can write better, than do it. You don't need to insult others about their writing ability.

      Also, this is a public forum. Not a writing convention. Writing in a "casual tone" is perfectly acceptable in this environment. I graduated from university with an English major, but you'd never know it from reading my posts.

      Write for people, NOT professors. This is a good tip in general, but especially in most on-line niches.
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      • Profile picture of the author vdek
        Originally Posted by Brendan Mace View Post

        You're missing the point entirely. He was just showing a process that works well. He was NOT telling you the exact words to write. If you think you can write better, than do it. You don't need to insult others about their writing ability.

        Also, this is a public forum. Not a writing convention. Writing in a "casual tone" is perfectly acceptable in this environment. I graduated from university with an English major, but you'd never know it from reading my posts.

        Write for people, NOT professors. This is a good tip in general, but especially in most on-line niches.
        I don't miss points.

        It has nothing to do with writing in a "casual tone" or insulting others. Google actually checks websites for sentence structure, reading level, complexity, grammar and such. Writing in a casual tone is actually fine, what's not fine is writing in obscure sentence structures that non native speakers would never do. How much this affects SERP rankings is up in the air since Google won't readily disclose that kind of information. Besides, I disagree on the entire premise of spun articles since I view them as valueless fluff.
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        • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
          Originally Posted by vdek View Post

          I don't miss points.

          It has nothing to do with writing in a "casual tone" or insulting others. Google actually checks websites for sentence structure, reading level, complexity, grammar and such. Writing in a casual tone is actually fine, what's not fine is writing in obscure sentence structures that non native speakers would never do. How much this affects SERP rankings is up in the air since Google won't readily disclose that kind of information. Besides, I disagree on the entire premise of spun articles since I view them as valueless fluff.
          It is complete non sense that Google can decide a article is written by professional native English speaker or non native English speaker. Dont know why people spread this kind of BS around the forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author vdek
            Originally Posted by Rohit View Post

            It is complete non sense that Google can decide a article is written by professional native English speaker or non native English speaker. Dont know why people spread this kind of BS around the forum.
            No it's not at all.

            Here is an example search with the option enabled: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pe=&as_rights=

            Do you think Google hires PhD linguists and Computer Scientists and pays them $300k+ to sit on their ass all day?
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            • Profile picture of the author SeoKnightsInc
              Originally Posted by vdek View Post

              No it's not at all.

              Here is an example search with the option enabled: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pe=&as_rights=

              Do you think Google hires PhD linguists and pays them 300k+ to sit on their ass all day?
              Lol, did it make sense to you? How is reading level related to native English speaker ? Do you mean if a non native English speaker writes an article it will be high on level of readability ? come on grow up Man, Google SERP's are populated with every kind of articles regardless of native English speaker or non native. It may be a factor but very small, not a major one.

              Well google hire every kind of PhD not just linguistics still we see a lot of crap many times in SERP's.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ivan Nikolov
              Originally Posted by vdek View Post

              No it's not at all.

              Here is an example search with the option enabled: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...pe=&as_rights=

              Do you think Google hires PhD linguists and Computer Scientists and pays them $300k+ to sit on their ass all day?
              This is somewhat getting out of reason.. Let's do the math. There are less than 1 billion people (approximate numbers) who are native speakers in the world and about 6 billion that are not (including myself). Does this mean that Google will depreciate the content, created by 85 percent of the population because they are not native speakers?

              I personally don't think that Google will ever want to go this far (just my opinion).
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        • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
          Originally Posted by vdek View Post

          I don't miss points.
          LOL. Get over yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author Brendan Mace
          Originally Posted by vdek View Post

          I don't miss points.

          How much this affects SERP rankings is up in the air since Google won't readily disclose that kind of information.
          So basically, you don't know anything.
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          • Profile picture of the author vdek
            Originally Posted by Brendan Mace View Post

            So basically, you don't know anything.
            Basically, I know as much as you know.

            Which is to say that Google doesn't directly reveal the finer points of their algorithms, however what they do say is that it is based on the quality of your site and articles. The quality of your writing, presentation, and information affects not only your SERP directly through the algorithm, but also your traffic and user retention as well which indirectly affects your SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaytav
    Try to post unique content on different sites, if you are looking for rankings. If you just wanna build links, then its OK to use sun content as it wont benefit you much.
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  • Profile picture of the author enterscope
    I've also found it more difficult to spin an article rather than just write a new one. I'll spend more time trying to make a bad article sound good when i could just write a new article offering advice on a topic.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by enterscope View Post

      I've also found it more difficult to spin an article rather than just write a new one. I'll spend more time trying to make a bad article sound good when i could just write a new article offering advice on a topic.
      I don't see it difficult to rewrite/spin...for me it doesn't matter whether I work from an existing article or write from scratch. But WHAT matters is that the work/effort/time is the same (in fact, writing from scratch is sometimes faster) and some people think that rewriting is "easier" or faster to do. It's not.

      As for rewriting and spinning, it actually needs better grammar and English skills as well. If I give a foreigner with "so so" writing skills a list of word synonyms, chances are he will not know which ones will be appropriate in the text's context so he would not be able to spin effectively.

      The only occasion where rewriting would be easier is if it would be a topic which is entirely unknown to me so that the original article helps with research. But this I do anyway, so it doesn't really matter whether someone sends an article to "rewrite" or I do this research myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Try spinning at 100%.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Rawat
    Try at 99%. Sorry Yukon content should not be duplicate. Thanks lolzzz
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Karan Rawat View Post

      Try at 99%. Sorry Yukon content should not be duplicate. Thanks lolzzz

      100% would be unique content, 0% would be duplicate content.

      My point was, don't bother spinning.
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  • I always do 2 kinds of spinning for all articles- sentence spin THEN keyword spin.

    All sentences are spun in the sentence spin level 3x, then after I will proceed to keyword spin. It takes a lot of time but I get a very unique spun article after.

    Of course, don't forget to read your spun content for errors before submitting.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukerutherford
    I'm not really fan of article spinning as it is not beneficial for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author fmac
    Yes in a word. The title also and just change it up yet make it readable as well
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  • Profile picture of the author vikashmunda
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    Originally Posted by Delta223 View Post

    Hi all;

    I'm finally getting away from the trainwreck that is automatically spun content. But I'm not sure exactly what the methods of "proper manual spinning" are that people talk about on this forum.

    Does this mean just taking a 500 word article and creating 2-3 variations for every sentence? If so, how do you "know" how many variations this is good for?

    Or is it even more complex than that?

    Thanks!
    Spinning can be done if you don't just think of spinning it just take the idea blend it with your own words mix some more points from hear and there which that article lacks and create the upgrade and better version of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author jonnyhardbaked
    It depends, sometimes there are articles that don't need to be spun because they already provide good information. Spinning them will either ruin it or not. Either way, makes no sense.

    However, there are articles that lack of information. Those are the best articles that need a good spinner. So to answer your question, don't bother to spin articles. But don't forget to add quality to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jclindayag
    Hi Delta223!

    Proper spinning is doing it the manual way. Just put about 3 synonyms towards the words and will be fine as long as it is readable. Spinning in the word level will also do just fine for ranking. But if you have the ample time to produce better content, spinning it in the paragraph level would be the best.

    I use the best spinner and it is very easy to use in terms of checking the grammar. It also has a huge database for word synonyms.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by jclindayag View Post

      Hi Delta223!

      Proper spinning is doing it the manual way. Just put about 3 synonyms towards the words and will be fine as long as it is readable. Spinning in the word level will also do just fine for ranking. But if you have the ample time to produce better content, spinning it in the paragraph level would be the best.

      I use the best spinner and it is very easy to use in terms of checking the grammar. It also has a huge database for word synonyms.
      Replacing a few synonyms is the worst possible form of spinning and is detected as spun
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  • Profile picture of the author Vinnee
    Nice to read the recommendations. With the recent search engine updates from the big G, is there anything to be watchful of when spinning articles? I agree, it takes time to properly spin content...no quick turnaround.
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  • Profile picture of the author fmac
    I was wondering this also. All these answers have really helped me out.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbirdmanjr
    I have created many, many different 'spin ready' articles. And it seems like doing it properly, to what i feel are proper standards for avoiding duplicate content and making them ALL legible , takes quite along time. After writing the initial or base article, i can write 5 more articles faster and with the confidence that each one is structured properly and is completely presentable.

    Also, I have found that 'Quality' IS much more important than 'Quantity'.

    Meaning that submitting to quality article sites with quality articles is a far better use of our time. If all your doing is trying to get links, there are easier more effective methods that creating a 100 spun articles and submitting them to garbage article directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author jlcs
    -60% unique different from original
    -Rephrase the 1st and Last paragraph
    -Slight rephrase the intermediate paragraph
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  • Profile picture of the author vdek
    If your focus is on spinning, then you're nothing but a spammer.
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  • Profile picture of the author evilsaigon
    You should generally have at least 2 other variations at sentence level for every sentence in the article. The uniqueness ratings should preferably be above 70%.

    Don't waste your money buying article spinners though. They will NOT do the job properly, and will never be as effective as your brains lol.

    In fact, there's a lot more to just rephrasing. I have a course that actually teaches you all the possible spinning methods, which you can get a free review copy while it's still available.
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