Are High PR Private Blog Networks the Secret?

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After being involved in SEO for a while, I'm starting to wonder. I know some people go out prospecting for high PR blogs to buy up in various ways to use for backlinking. And we know that one link from a PR 5 blog is probably worth more than hundreds of crappy links.

Are those of us slaving away building tons of web 2.0 sites and writing tons of articles for backlinks suckers? Are we just falling for the WSO's that promise all of these things can work when the only serious consistent way to do this is high PR sites that we get for backlinking?

Sure if you find a crappy competition keyword you can rank with no backlinks. But if you really want to compete on a consistent basis, is it simply that you need high PR sites to get backlinks from? Or at least that it's silly and inefficient to do it any other way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    A good PR5 link from a related page with low OBL is worth more than any link blast out there (doesn't matter if it's 1k or 20k links).

    That said, web 2.0's work ****ing great right now! You have to know what you're doing and it can take a while to see results... but I'm seeing crazy improvement from web 2.0 links I built about 2 months ago.

    Most of the stuff you read on these forums doesn't work, because people have no idea what they're doing. High PR private blogs aren't "the secret". They're just one of many worthwhile link building strategies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      A good PR5 link from a related page with low OBL is worth more than any link blast out there (doesn't matter if it's 1k or 20k links).

      That said, web 2.0's work ****ing great right now! You have to know what you're doing and it can take a while to see results... but I'm seeing crazy improvement from web 2.0 links I built about 2 months ago.

      Most of the stuff you read on these forums doesn't work, because people have no idea what they're doing. High PR private blogs aren't "the secret". They're just one of many worthwhile link building strategies.
      I have a small network of 12 web 2.0s all related to my niche. Right now they all have either pr0 or n/A except 1 that I've had for a few years with pr3. I'm thinking about fiverr gigs (hopefully penguin safe) to get some links to these sites to get some pagerank. Is this a good strategy? Is 12 properties enough?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

        I have a small network of 12 web 2.0s all related to my niche. Right now they all have either pr0 or n/A except 1 that I've had for a few years with pr3. I'm thinking about fiverr gigs (hopefully penguin safe) to get some links to these sites to get some pagerank. Is this a good strategy? Is 12 properties enough?
        There are tons of ways to go about this:

        1. Some people like to "funnel" low quality links through these properties.
        2. Others like to get a few high PR links to each site to get the PR up.
        3. A mix of the two^^.

        I like to get my properties ranking for money site keywords. This way I get backlinks from "competing" websites in the same niche. Getting some PR is also nice.

        Remember that you can only build up PR by getting links from pages with PR. If you can find fiverr gigs that offer such links - great!

        edit: forgot to answer the last questions. Yes, 12 properties is plenty. I like to have 3+ articles on each property.

        I treat web 2.0's like regular mini sites. Only you get free hosting and domain names.
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        • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          There are tons of ways to go about this:

          1. Some people like to "funnel" low quality links through these properties.
          2. Others like to get a few high PR links to each site to get the PR up.
          3. A mix of the two^^.

          I like to get my properties ranking for money site keywords. This way I get backlinks from "competing" websites in the same niche. Getting some PR is also nice.

          Remember that you can only build up PR by getting links from pages with PR. If you can find fiverr gigs that offer such links - great!

          edit: forgot to answer the last questions. Yes, 12 properties is plenty. I like to have 3+ articles on each property.

          I treat web 2.0's like regular mini sites. Only you get free hosting and domain names.
          That's good information. Thanks! I was afraid, to be effective, I'd need 100 all with 100 articles each. Too overwhelming. I thought I'd just do a few and treat them as serious sites--just not the moneymaker sites.

          I wish I did this 2 years ago. I had a friend with 30 blogspot blogs. He did nothing but link to them from tons of forums, and interlink the blogs when appropriate. He seemed to do it right without even having a plan. He treated them seriously but never even bought a domain. Yet he made a fairly decent living with these blogs.
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    • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      A good PR5 link from a related page with low OBL is worth more than any link blast out there (doesn't matter if it's 1k or 20k links).

      That said, web 2.0's work ****ing great right now! You have to know what you're doing and it can take a while to see results... but I'm seeing crazy improvement from web 2.0 links I built about 2 months ago.

      Most of the stuff you read on these forums doesn't work, because people have no idea what they're doing. High PR private blogs aren't "the secret". They're just one of many worthwhile link building strategies.
      I second that web 2.0's still work great post penguin. You just have to know what you're doing. The only way to learn is by trial and error based on what you're reading in various forums. It;s true that the majority of stuff that people are using don't work because they don't know what they're doing. My advice is for people who are serious about SEO.....STOP outsourcing your link building to other people and START trying out things for yourself. Make logs of what pages are getting what links and from where and you'll quickly figure out how to rank fast for any term you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author boosters
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      A good PR5 link from a related page with low OBL is worth more than any link blast out there (doesn't matter if it's 1k or 20k links).

      That said, web 2.0's work ****ing great right now! You have to know what you're doing and it can take a while to see results... but I'm seeing crazy improvement from web 2.0 links I built about 2 months ago.

      Most of the stuff you read on these forums doesn't work, because people have no idea what they're doing. High PR private blogs aren't "the secret". They're just one of many worthwhile link building strategies.
      Are you talking about $5 WSO strategies
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    My issue with web2.0 site sespecially if they are on a subdomain is how little history it has. I just don't think there much juice from a "brand new site. I prefer approaching sites that already have history and work with them instead. My client sites move much faster and I save alot of time. Each to their own I guess. Lots of techniques work in terms of linking but to me, it all comes down to cost and time.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheClarkey
    'Well done' high PR Private Blog Networks are very good links for any site, especially if it stays on the front page and niche related!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Wolfe
    Rule #1 you're not supposed to talk about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    But you should also update these networks often, not just create them and let them stay somewhere in the net. It could be hard, if you don't have a proper strategy. For example link each web2.0 website to the other one and also to your main website. Then add some content, ping it, then build some high quality backlinks to each of them, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
    You better believe they are. Its the exact reason Google has been cracking down on them over the past several months.

    If they weren't effective, do you think Google would target them? Obviously not. But the truth is they are one of the most effective link building strategies to date.

    After I build a good initial link profile of social, some lower quality "foundation" links I turn to one network that I've used for about a year. They kill it for me every time and make my life a whole lot easier while making me gobs of cash. The one thing though is that a good HPR network costs $$$, you gotta pay to play.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Yep, although I'm "biased".

    Homepage private networks are the cream of the crop if you can find a quality provider. Don't use networks that use rehashed, spun content and randomly inject links into the content.

    Look for a provider that is long lasting as well, one that's been around for a while. Also, try and find one that isn't heavily advertised or discussed on the forums. Sure you may be a little more "reassured" by buying from the big guys but guess what? They are the biggest target out there. Just waiting to get crushed, deindexed and slapped by Google.

    Lower key, smaller networks that aren't heavily advertised are the best long term strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikeys
    In my opinion, private networks are the ONLY way to go these days. The tricky part though is finding one that you know is going to be legit and not approve google spies. You need to make sure that they somehow do a background check on the site so that you don't get wiped out like everyone did with the build my rank bust.
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  • Profile picture of the author DylanC
    In terms of high PR backlinks, you can easily source for blog pages with high PR and comment on them. Also, there are some forum threads with high PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Quality links at high PR sites are definitely the creme de la creme but yeah you can also build out web2.0's and build links to them and make real assets out of them, works like a charm as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author Builder154
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Quality links at high PR sites are definitely the creme de la creme but yeah you can also build out web2.0's and build links to them and make real assets out of them, works like a charm as well!
      What kind of links would you get to web 2.0's that would make them so worthwhile?
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    I still argue that .edu links are as powerful as they were two years ago, if not more-so. Even then, it's not like Google can't see your link profile at any time that it wants to. As for private blog networks, it's only a matter of time before the next one get's shut down.

    And there goes all of your links. Build My Rank, is probably one of the more notable ones because they went to great lengths to hide their network. They were eventually de-indexed.

    Eventually, the algo will root out most of these methods and legitimize old-fashioned link bait again. But that's still a few algo-changes off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by BloggingPro View Post

      I still argue that .edu links are as powerful as they were two years ago, if not more-so. Even then, it's not like Google can't see your link profile at any time that it wants to. As for private blog networks, it's only a matter of time before the next one get's shut down.

      And there goes all of your links. Build My Rank, is probably one of the more notable ones because they went to great lengths to hide their network. They were eventually de-indexed.

      Eventually, the algo will root out most of these methods and legitimize old-fashioned link bait again. But that's still a few algo-changes off.
      This thread is not about publicly available blog networks. My blog network properties are very likely better than most of the mini sites people build here (and monetize with Adsense/Amazon). Google is not shutting down anything.

      EDU links don't carry any extra weight, that's just a myth. The reason why sometimes links from pages on EDU sites give you massive SERP boosst is very simple - those pages have tons of high quality links pointing to them. Same concept applies to any other TLD, but EDU's have a higher overall % of high quality pages (being EDU sites). That's all there is to it.

      BMR didn't go to "great lengths" to hide anything. Care to elaborate on the things they did to hide the network? They did pretty much everything wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        BMR didn't go to "great lengths" to hide anything. Care to elaborate on the things they did to hide the network? They did pretty much everything wrong.
        I don't know what it is about putting the word Private before blog network that makes it so hard for people to understand. IF anyone can sign up for a service, the service is being talked about by everyone and the service is advertised in many public places

        HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU STILL KEEP ON CALLING IT PRIVATE?

        Okay the network is privately owned. SO is MacDonald's but I don't hear anyone saying they are going to a private McDs to get a hamburger.

        BMR was not a private blog network neither was almost all the networks that got dinged. I've talked to many private network owners and polled over a hundred of them and none of them report their network getting deindexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    Bnetwork is spot on, BMR didn't cover their tracks by any means. They were the biggest network around, and therefore had the biggest target on their back.

    Match that with all of the mistakes they made, and it was only a matter of time. Private networks, or very intimate networks are what you need. Not heavily promoted services.
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  • Profile picture of the author nkneuper
    They definitely are working and are much safer than public blog networks. I do suggest the following though to avoid obvious footprints:

    1. Don't only link to your websites, this is unnatural and a huge footprint. Build links to other websites, such as authority sites in your niche.

    2. Don't link to your money site in a navi/sidebar, this is incredibly natural and there is correlation between this and Penguin penalties. Link to your money site from a few solid pages on each blog in your network.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    Good discussion here keep it going!
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    Is there ever a time when you link from site to site within your network, not including your money site of course or is it best to keep them as separate as possible?
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    High PR blog networks are part of the recipe but they are not the ultimate secret
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Nice! Was interested to know what everyone thought about this topic.

    Good stuff!

    Thanks for sharing everyone!

    -Omar
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    I don't think people that do that are suckers. Remember, a high quality web 2.0 can be a valuable backlink as well. It might never stack up to a blog on its own domain, but that doesn't mean its worthless. And, to be honest, it looks unnatural to have links all from the same platforms, or only from non-public sites. A good mix of all "link types" should be your main goal. Then you cover all bases.
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  • Profile picture of the author Watch Store
    It should be part of your link building campaign. Your best bet is to build your own high pr network with pr3-5 domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author bb785
    Homepage networks still definitely produce results provided the content is not garbage. Just do not go crazy with exact match anchor text and you will be fine. A big problem with the small private networks is that you have little in the way of IP diversity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lurchy
    What is the best seo hosting to get for your private networks and does it matter if all your domains are registered from the same registrar?
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    • Profile picture of the author WilsonA
      Originally Posted by Lurchy View Post

      What is the best seo hosting to get for your private networks and does it matter if all your domains are registered from the same registrar?
      Don't use seo hosting for private networks use cheap reseller web hosting from different web hosts, as long as you have protected whois on your domains you should be fine, having your real information show up for your domains is a big footprint when it comes to tracking down your network.
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      • Profile picture of the author curious73
        Originally Posted by WilsonA View Post

        Don't use seo hosting for private networks use cheap reseller web hosting from different web hosts, as long as you have protected whois on your domains you should be fine, having your real information show up for your domains is a big footprint when it comes to tracking down your network.
        it's the ip address that matters as far as I know, do you think google still can access whois details even though they are made private???
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        • Profile picture of the author WilsonA
          Originally Posted by curious73 View Post

          it's the ip address that matters as far as I know, do you think google still can access whois details even though they are made private???
          As long as you have made it private it should be ok
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    Back to the web 2.0's for a sec.
    I've got a bunch of them showing pr0s on the toolbar, but MozRank shows them ranging between 2.5 and 3.2. Should I begin placing links to my money sites on some of these properties or will the pr flow only benefit my money sites once Google updates their toolbar pr?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vivers
    Some great info and learning material here guys. Thanks for the great questions and even more helpful answers.
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  • Profile picture of the author curious73
    Originally Posted by Builder154 View Post

    After being involved in SEO for a while, I'm starting to wonder. I know some people go out prospecting for high PR blogs to buy up in various ways to use for backlinking. And we know that one link from a PR 5 blog is probably worth more than hundreds of crappy links.

    Are those of us slaving away building tons of web 2.0 sites and writing tons of articles for backlinks suckers? Are we just falling for the WSO's that promise all of these things can work when the only serious consistent way to do this is high PR sites that we get for backlinking?

    Sure if you find a crappy competition keyword you can rank with no backlinks. But if you really want to compete on a consistent basis, is it simply that you need high PR sites to get backlinks from? Or at least that it's silly and inefficient to do it any other way?
    hah ha .... I was wondering the same thing for awhile? probably building (depending on budget+time etc.) high pr blog network is the best option to have good number of backlinks instead of draining blood on all those things! Personally I wouldn't pay a blog network for backlinks because - 1. they are expensive if you continue for long time; 2. once you stop the subscription all links will be removed, unless you want to raise the domain's pr for a short period of time to sell in good price for profit!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    I can confirm that high PR blog networks are the true secret to SEO success.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      I can confirm that high PR blog networks are the true secret to SEO success.
      Lol how can you confirm that? You only have low PR sites woehahahhaha.

      Sorry that post was just too funny, had to respond to it :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Yes

    You can build all sorts of links all day long, but at the end of the day theres nothing that competes with a armada of PR 5 home page links
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    This news is hardly a 'secret.'
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  • Profile picture of the author Geekgirl01
    People create web 2.0s and link back to their money site - then they create high PR backlinks to the web 2.0's why???
    Why dont people just create backlinks from high PR sites direct to their money site?
    I dont get it
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Geekgirl01 View Post

      People create web 2.0s and link back to their money site - then they create high PR backlinks to the web 2.0's why???
      Why dont people just create backlinks from high PR sites direct to their money site?
      I dont get it
      It's about getting more IP diversity, you can't keep on linking from the same IP's and seperate hosting each time might get expensive. I rather link from a web2.0 then from a cheap C-class seo hosting IP.
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    I always with high pr blogs Networks , Because its really work
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  • Profile picture of the author bosshoggseo
    I hear a lot of buzz of folks saying that blog networks were smacked down by Panda and Penguin.:p
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by bosshoggseo View Post

      I hear a lot of buzz of folks saying that blog networks were smacked down by Panda and Penguin.:p
      Nope, it was a manual action to take the large networks down, had nothing to do with Panda / Penguin.
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    Thought you guys might be interested: https://flippa.com/2825429-25-site-n...r3-6-pr2-3-pr1
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Helphrey
    Trust me, private blog networks are no secret. People have been using them with success for quite some time. They worked in the past and they still work today. The reason you don't hear about it too much is because it can cost a lot of money to setup and maintain.

    You have to set each blog up on a unique IP, so you have separate hosting costs for each site. Then you will have to register and renew each domain every year. You will also have to find a system to post regular, niche related content on a regular basis. And be sure to link out to other sites and never the same sites. You want everything to look natural as possible with no footprints.

    But hells yeah they can work dang good. Of course, depending on your level of competition, its probably not going to be the be all end all solution to rank your site #1.

    I can also atest to Web 2.0 blog networks being valuable to SEO today. I am using them with great success, but not in the manner that you might think. No one and done submissions with spun articles. The blogs I setup actually look natural, have multiple and even hundreds of posts. Then I tier even more web 2.0 properties, usually 3 tiers. Very powerful, especially when you tie in some high PR self hosted blogs with it.
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