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joshpat2 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mcatt

Isn't this exactly what google is not happy with and will not give weight for?

i dont understand what you mean. i am trying different ways once i see the best way i will use that to rank my sites.
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James.N 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mcatt

Isn't this exactly what google is not happy with and will not give weight for?

I believe thats the whole point of the case study. Test out different methods to see which does the best in Google.
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dbwebdesignz

12 years ago

Mosa's test?

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Mr.H

12 years ago

I think that what may work for one website may not work for another, there is no rule for seo, it may happen it may not

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

I can tell you right now, word count is hype when it comes to SEO. Retaining traffic is another thing, but for ranking pages word count isn't a big deal.

For on-page SEO Google is mainly looking at (no particular order):

Page title
<h> tags
Plain text surrounding relevant anchor-text
Plain text surrounding images
Anchor-text links
Image-Alt tags
Relevancy
Freshness (is the page being updated?)

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joshpat2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I can tell you right now, word count is hype when it comes to SEO. Retaining traffic is another thing, but for ranking pages word count isn't a big deal.

For on-page SEO Google is mainly looking at (no particular order):

Page title
<h> tags
Plain text surrounding relevant anchor-text
Plain text surrounding images
Anchor-text links
Image-Alt tags
Relevancy
Freshness (is the page being updated?)

yes i have seen that word count is not up there. i will start with 1 1000 word then see what happens

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Todd Pedersen

12 years ago

With Bounce Rate being such a big Google criteria now. I always try to add some video content.

That will keep the visitor on the page longer. When I added video my bounce rate went below 50%. Instead of adding video to every page, you can try adding video in a sidebar so it appears on every page.

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joshpat2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Todd Pedersen

With Bounce Rate being such a big Google criteria now. I always try to add some video content.

That will keep the visitor on the page longer. When I added video my bounce rate went below 50%. Instead of adding video to every page, you can try adding video in a sidebar so it appears on every page.

thanks for that tip i will use that on the sites. upon doing my keyworreseach i have ran into 100s of top 10 sites with only 1-5 pages of content and rankign very well.

i have started this because i got magic submitter and use it with current sites and have not seen much movements so i just want to find what the best tool will be.

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Mantasmo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I can tell you right now, word count is hype when it comes to SEO. Retaining traffic is another thing, but for ranking pages word count isn't a big deal.

For on-page SEO Google is mainly looking at (no particular order):

Page title
<h> tags
Plain text surrounding relevant anchor-text
Plain text surrounding images
Anchor-text links
Image-Alt tags
Relevancy
Freshness (is the page being updated?)

^^big word count == more LSI terms (and naturally occurring keywords) == more SERP love everywhere. That's how I do it and it works pretty good. But I build info sites and (I think) that your sites are more technical in nature or w/e.

What experiment? (didn't read the OP)...

EDIT: Todd, I have no videos on my pages and my bounce rates rarely go >30% (most sites average < 20% lifetime).

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by bnetwork

^^big word count == more LSI terms (and naturally occurring keywords) == more SERP love everywhere. That's how I do it and it works pretty good. But I build info sites and (I think) that your sites are more technical in nature or w/e.

What experiment? (didn't read the OP)...

EDIT: Todd, I have no videos on my pages and my bounce rates rarely go >30% (most sites average < 20% lifetime).

Just pointing out the basics & true more relevant keywords on a page will help rank LSI's but ranking multiple keywords per page is an option not really a necessity.

I think most people would be surprised in how very basic pages can still rank in the SERPs. I'm not suggesting people create thousands of useless pages just for ranking, just that there is no fixed amount of text on a page that's required for SEO. In the real world the amount of text depends on what the traffic wants/expects/needs.

If I have a video site or an image gallery, I don't need a lot of text on the page, a short description is enough.

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Chrisbroholm

12 years ago

What does videos have to do with Bounce rate? Afaik bounce rate is the percentage of visitors that leave your domain without seeing any additional pages. The video might keep people on the page longer, which may or may not have an effect on rankings...who knows.

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by joshpat2

Ok this is whats gona happen

3 keywords

3 sites

3 link building methods

site 1 - magic submitter

site 2 - fiverr

site 3 - serp bomb (WF)

articles are being written as you read.

1 x 1000 word and 2 500 words later
each keyword $1-$2 and 1000-2000 searches
low competition
top 5 rankings has 2 0 PR and weak links according to LTP

First of all, there is nothing MASSIVE about this case study. It is only 3 sites, so nothing conclusive can be drawn from it.

Second, Magic Submitter is not a link building method. Fiverr is not a link building method. Serp bomb is not a link building method. These are services. The services can do all kinds of things. Your testing needs to be more specific than that.

Last, testing on different keywords is not going to give you anything conclusive either. What do you even mean by low competition? Just that the top five have 2 0 PR sites and "weak links" in there? Weak links is pretty subjective.

You should have the sites competing for the same keyword to draw anything useful out of this test. Even then the content and URL structure could be influencing things in a way you cannot control.

You want to do this massively, then build 3 sites (1 for each linkbuilding method) in each of 500 different keywords (1500 sites). Do that and come back with your results and it might be something interesting.

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joshpat2

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

First of all, there is nothing MASSIVE about this case study. It is only 3 sites, so nothing conclusive can be drawn from it.

Second, Magic Submitter is not a link building method. Fiverr is not a link building method. Serp bomb is not a link building method. These are services. The services can do all kinds of things. Your testing needs to be more specific than that.

Last, testing on different keywords is not going to give you anything conclusive either. What do you even mean by low competition? Just that the top five have 2 0 PR sites and "weak links" in there? Weak links is pretty subjective.

You should have the sites competing for the same keyword to draw anything useful out of this test. Even then the content and URL structure could be influencing things in a way you cannot control.

You want to do this massively, then build 3 sites (1 for each linkbuilding method) in each of 500 different keywords (1500 sites). Do that and come back with your results and it might be something interesting.

Sure let me go build 1500 sites to satisfy your interests .. be right back

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tylerherman 12 years ago

Originally Posted by joshpat2

Sure let me go build 1500 sites to satisfy your interests .. be right back

This is a waste of a post. Only building 3 sites with 3 uncontrolled variables will prove nothing.

Don't call it massive, your sample size isn't even big enough to call it a case study.
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MikeFriedman 12 years ago

Originally Posted by joshpat2

Sure let me go build 1500 sites to satisfy your interests .. be right back

I'm not the one claiming to be doing a "massive" case study. If you titled this thread something like "an extremely limited attempt at gathering some data", I wouldn't have bothered to point out the obvious flaws in your experiment.
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