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GodMode52

14 years ago

You will lose the PR.

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Fraggler

14 years ago

All PR comes from backlinks - the content on the page has nothing to do with it.

If you cut off the destination for the link juice then it simply flows to a dead-end. It will also usually lower the link-juice (PR) flowing into the homepage therefore affecting the entire domain.

If you are trying to keep the PR of the domain as-is then you have to do your best to keep any linked pages active on the new site.

If you PR3 has no links pointing to it then there is a high chance the PR was faked.

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Dentist

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Fraggler

All PR comes from backlinks - the content on the page has nothing to do with it.

If you cut off the destination for the link juice then it simply flows to a dead-end. It will also usually lower the link-juice (PR) flowing into the homepage therefore affecting the entire domain.

If you are trying to keep the PR of the domain as-is then you have to do your best to keep any linked pages active on the new site.

If you PR3 has no links pointing to it then there is a high chance the PR was faked.

Well, my understanding is that each new page has an initial PR assigned to. (This initial PR assigned is higher for videos.) That's the secret behind blog networks and why Google hates them so much. Basically a blog in a blog network is getting high PR automatically simply by posting other people's content. With a good inter-linking structure, when the number of pages increase, PR adds up and the PR of the website increases even without backlinks. It simply means the initial PR of the pages affect each other and as a result the PR for the whole website goes up. (The best example for this is Tumblr as a whole)
Now, my question is: let's say you get one of these high PR blogs all with crap content (similar to ALN posts) and no backlinks (BTW, it is not the property that I am talking about but it is good for the sake of example). It currently has a high PR and hundreds or thousands of crappy content pages, but there are chances that Google eventually penalized and de-indexes the blog. There are two ways in my opinion to keep that PR:
1- Remove all the crap content and post good content (which I am wondering if that would work, because the source of PR (internal pages) will be gone.)
2- Use this website as a source of backlink to other websites either with a blogroll or with posts linking to the other websites. I know that this one would work, but eventually the target websites will be at some risk too, although not as great as the main high PR blog.
So the question is how to keep the PR that has been accumulated and transform it with better content to some quality content websites...

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RajSrivastav 14 years ago

If google finds any redirection pages such as 404 error on SERP, it will remove your site from Top of SERP. Page rank is not most important factors nowadays.
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Fraggler

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

Well, my understanding is that each new page has an initial PR assigned to. (This initial PR assigned is higher for videos.) That's the secret behind blog networks and why Google hates them so much. Basically a blog in a blog network is getting high PR automatically simply by posting other people's content.

Sorry to be frank but that's wrong. PageRank is a way to measure the number and quality of citations (or links).

A new page may have PageRank simply because it will have links from other pages on the domain.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

Well, my understanding is that each new page has an initial PR assigned to. (This initial PR assigned is higher for videos.) That's the secret behind blog networks and why Google hates them so much. Basically a blog in a blog network is getting high PR automatically simply by posting other people's content. With a good inter-linking structure, when the number of pages increase, PR adds up and the PR of the website increases even without backlinks. It simply means the initial PR of the pages affect each other and as a result the PR for the whole website goes up. (The best example for this is Tumblr as a whole)

Wow. That is a new one. I have witnessed a lot of misinformation on this site, but this one I have never seen. Whoever told you this, has no idea what they are talking about. I would strongly suggest never listening to anything else they have to say.

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Dentist

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Wow. That is a new one. I have witnessed a lot of misinformation on this site, but this one I have never seen. Whoever told you this, has no idea what they are talking about. I would strongly suggest never listening to anything else they have to say.

I know that PR comes from backlinks (0.65 * PR of backlink/OBL accumulative). At the same time I think for the whole thing to work, it should be an initial PR assigned. I have several reasons for this:
- Put up two new websites (with a number of pages) with similar structure without external backlinks. Embed a video directly in the first page of one of them (not from YouTube) and don't in the other one. Not only both will have some PR in the next PR update, the PR of the video website will be higher.
- Let's say we are at the beginning of internet and we have only 1000 pages on the internet. Where do you think the PR comes from? It should be a starting point (The lowest possible unit of PR) for each page so it can be accumulated based on the links they give to each other. If all of the pages have 0.00000... PR, then .065 of that * anything... will still be 0.
At least that's my understanding from reading initial Google Patent, etc...

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

I know that PR comes from backlinks (0.65 * PR of backlink/OBL accumulative). At the same time I think for the whole thing to work, it should be an initial PR assigned. I have several reasons for this:
- Put up two new websites (with a number of pages) with similar structure without external backlinks. Embed a video directly in the first page of one of them (not from YouTube) and don't in the other one. Not only both will have some PR in the next PR update, the PR of the video website will be higher.
- Let's say we are at the beginning of internet and we have only 1000 pages on the internet. Where do you think the PR comes from? It should be a starting point (The lowest possible unit of PR) for each page so it can be accumulated based on the links they give to each other. If all of the pages have 0.00000... PR, then .065 of that * anything... will still be 0.
At least that's my understanding from reading initial Google Patent, etc...

Where did you come up with this 0.65 thing?

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Dentist

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Where did you come up with this 0.65 thing?

I think it was a number between 06-0.7 based on consensus. I recall 0.65. I read several articles all analyzing the first Google patent and that was their consensus. Don't remember if it was in the original patent or not.

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xbluelinks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

I think it was a number between 06-0.7 based on consensus. I recall 0.65. I read several articles all analyzing the first Google patent and that was their consensus. Don't remember if it was in the original patent or not.

Interesting. I have been putting some thought into this as well. Initially I thought the same as yourself. That creating a new page will automatically be assigned some PR.

What I can't get over is: if any new page increases PR, wouldn't there be PR inflation? Similar to the economy. If you keep printing money, you will get inflation.

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Dentist

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

I think it was a number between 06-0.7 based on consensus. I recall 0.65. I read several articles all analyzing the first Google patent and that was their consensus. Don't remember if it was in the original patent or not.

Check these two :

PageRank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google PageRank calculation (PR)

The second one is easier to understand. Apparently the coefficient is 0.85

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MikeWike

Banned 14 years ago

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeWike

Well, I have seen some tumblr pages with PR3-PR4 without ANY backlinks. But this most likely because of the overall backlinks towards tumblr, if im right..

Just because the backlink checker you are using doesn't show any, doesn't mean they don't have backlinks. Most backlink checkers are unreliable. They usually do not pick up internal links either. All the links might be internal links.

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Dentist

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Just because the backlink checker you are using doesn't show any, doesn't mean they don't have backlinks. Most backlink checkers are unreliable. They usually do not pick up internal links either. All the links might be internal links.

I have had a website with just 5 pages and zero backlinks whatsoever that had PR 2 in the next PR update. That was not the only one. I had numerous new websites that at the next PR update after they were just developed had PR 2...

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dentist

I have had a website with just 5 pages and zero backlinks whatsoever that had PR 2 in the next PR update. That was not the only one. I had numerous new websites that at the next PR update after they were just developed had PR 2...

Please show me one of these. I would love to see it.

And what are you using to check backlinks?

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Dentist 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Please show me one of these. I would love to see it.

It is really weird you should ask for proof for this. Haven't you ever had a website with PR and no backlinks? Strange!!!!
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- MikeFriedman 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dentist
  
  It is really weird you should ask for proof for this. Haven't you ever had a website with PR and no backlinks? Strange!!!!
  
  No I have never had one with PR and no backlinks. Ever.
  
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- MikeFriedman 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Dentist
  
  It is really weird you should ask for proof for this. Haven't you ever had a website with PR and no backlinks? Strange!!!!
  
  If you don't want to share a URL, I understand. If you want to PM me one, I bet I can find backlinks to the site.
  
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