Is Skynethosting Safe ?

12 years ago

First, what are your hosting requirements? Some aspects of "SEO" hosting are not only bogus, but a waste of IP addresses.

What's your budget?

Are you looking for shared, reseller, VPS or dedicated hosting?

I'd be willing to put my rep on the line and say the only "semi-legit" seo hosting claiming company is the one offered by HG, which is now EIG. It's nothing more than a company selling a range of IP's at a premium price.

NONE of these companies can honestly tell you that using their class C IP's are going to help your SEO position. If you're running shady link farms and trying to game the search engines, then sure, maybe until you get caught.

Quoted from another expert in the industry:

Well, to make two easy examples, aseohosting and rockstarvps both make that claim in their past WHT posts (within past 6 months). Sometimes its not written on the host's own site specifically, but you can follow these people elsewhere online, such as Facebook/Twitter and forums. I've yet to see Brent state "IP addresses help SEO", unlike the other hosting owners.

What I find amusing is how some owners will half-claim IP addresses help, seemingly battling their ethics against their desire to market a shady service. Deep down, they know "SEO hosting" is BS, but it's hard to turn away the extra money. (i.e. "SEO hosting works, but it's not just IPs." -- WTF??? -- SEO hosting is shared hosting with extra IP addresses, nothing more!) It's not too dissimilar from the fake review sites that push crappy hosts for their own financial gain, instead of actually helping people to find a quality host.

From the hosting side, "SEO hosting" is nothing more than a premium bounty on top of a normal $5 shared account -- marked up 500%+. It's literally a stupid tax.

So you have to consider the type of people you're dealing with. Legitimate hosts want nothing to do with this semi-scammy service.

Aside from wasting IPv4 space, it also attracts needy customers -- the people who know zero about creating websites, but want to get rich from it. (Many of them are self-proclaimed "affiliate marketers" looking for ways to scam search engines into giving their crappy thin-content mostly-fake "review" site a high SERP.)

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

SEO Hosting really needs a new name because there is no SEO benefit in it. I think that is why people run around yelling it is a bogus service.

If you are running a private network, you do need a range of C-class IP addresses to host your sites on. In that, SEO hosting is a cheaper alternative than buying a bunch of shared hosting accounts.

I used Skynet in the past. I have moved almost all of my sites away from them. I never had network sites deindexed, but I lost 3 a few months ago. They were older poorly designed sites that I only used for personal tests. However, the only thing I could find they all had in common was Skynet. I went through the IP's they were on and found enough other domains deindexed that it made me switch.

It only makes sense for Google to go after known SEO hosting accounts. If they get the IP's, they can find all the domains on the IP and manually check them out. Most network sites are so poorly designed that you can tell in an instant what they are.

What I do with my sites is put them on shared hosting accounts. I usually put 2-3 sites in unrelated niches on the same account. They share nothing else in common. Structure, content, links, etc. If you watch out for shared hosting specials and buy 1-2 years of service at once versus paying month to month, it actually comes out to be about the same cost as SEO hosting. You are just paying bigger chunks up front.

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mysteryleaves

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

SEO Hosting really needs a new name because there is no SEO benefit in it. I think that is why people run around yelling it is a bogus service.

If you are running a private network, you do need a range of C-class IP addresses to host your sites on. In that, SEO hosting is a cheaper alternative than buying a bunch of shared hosting accounts.

I used Skynet in the past. I have moved almost all of my sites away from them. I never had network sites deindexed, but I lost 3 a few months ago. They were older poorly designed sites that I only used for personal tests. However, the only thing I could find they all had in common was Skynet. I went through the IP's they were on and found enough other domains deindexed that it made me switch.

It only makes sense for Google to go after known SEO hosting accounts. If they get the IP's, they can find all the domains on the IP and manually check them out. Most network sites are so poorly designed that you can tell in an instant what they are.

What I do with my sites is put them on shared hosting accounts. I usually put 2-3 sites in unrelated niches on the same account. They share nothing else in common. Structure, content, links, etc. If you watch out for shared hosting specials and buy 1-2 years of service at once versus paying month to month, it actually comes out to be about the same cost as SEO hosting. You are just paying bigger chunks up front.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

So are you guys saying Skynethosting isn`t safe ?

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Kingfish85 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

So are you guys saying Skynethosting isn`t safe ?

I personally would say you're better off hosting elsewhere.

From my previous post:

First, what are your hosting requirements?

What's your budget?

Are you looking for shared, reseller, VPS or dedicated hosting?
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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

I just want to hosting some high PR blogs for backlinking,

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Kingfish85

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

I just want to hosting some high PR blogs for backlinking,

Alright, you should be fine with any shared hosting package. I'd recommend staying away from those claiming "unlimited" disk space & bandwidth as there's no such thing. They also tend to jam pack as many accounts on each sever as possible.

What's your budget range? I'd say 5-10GB of storage and around $6-$7/month would work good for you. Be sure to check what features the company has, what software they use, backups etc.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Alright, you should be fine with any shared hosting package. I'd recommend staying away from those claiming "unlimited" disk space & bandwidth as there's no such thing. They also tend to jam pack as many accounts on each sever as possible.

What's your budget range? I'd say 5-10GB of storage and around $6-$7/month would work good for you. Be sure to check what features the company has, what software they use, backups etc.

thank you so much for your help i have PM`d you

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Kingfish85 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

thank you so much for your help i have PM`d you

No problem at all. If you have any other questions, or would like more info on how things work etc, just let me know.

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svaningen

12 years ago

only if you plan on sending the world into a nuclear apocalypse and have it taken over by machines

, in reality though i have no idea about the hosting!

all the best,
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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by svaningen

only if you plan on sending the world into a nuclear apocalypse and have it taken over by machines

, in reality though i have no idea about the hosting!

all the best,
Stefan

It always reminds me of Terminator too mate lol

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

There is no need to pay $6-7 a month for hosting for this. That is a complete ripoff.

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Kingfish85 12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

There is no need to pay $6-7 a month for hosting for this. That is a complete ripoff.

How is it a ripoff? In fact, I quoted prices roughly close to what we charge, for what I'll list below.

Unlike the mainstream, who promise you unlimited everything & overloaded servers web hosts out there, we're not running on aging hardware from the early 2000's like most of them do.

They also don't provide a streamlined backup solution. They don't replicate their backups from site to site in the event of a failure.

Security costs money. Every single time you hear about websites getting hacked and it ends up being server side, they are using some bargain host that does not care about the quality of their environments.

Knowledgeable techs cost money. Not script reader "let me check on that" tech support, I mean real techs, techs that can diagnose complex problems & have the right training in administering servers, networks & storage.

Typically, you'll find that the people complaining saying $5 & $6 a month is too expensive, are the spammers & people running shady websites that I personally don't want my business associated with. Sure, we've got a smaller budget plan, but this is not hosted in the same environment as our larger plans & Business+ plan.

We invested in a pretty well known online form builder, & it was one of the best decisions we made as far as special features go. We also invested in a streamlined backup solution for our customers. All of this stuff costs money, and lots of it. Software licensing is not cheap. It all boils down to "you get what you pay for" in this industry.

There have been countless other perks that we have also invested in as well as actively pursue to ensure our customers have tools that are useful to them. So again, the price I listed might be too much for some cheap budget host, but when you need quality services, it's right on par.

EDIT: I guess the OP should jump right over to the WSO section and pick up one of the $10/year hosting plans....we all see how many of those lasted....25+ page threads about not being able to access sites, servers down, no support etc. Sorry, I value my business a little more than that and I make sure my customers have quality services.
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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

I'm sure your hosting is great, and for a primary site, I can absolutely see the benefit.

But for a network of sites for the purpose of generating PR and quality links, you do not need all that stuff.

I'm using places like Fatcow and Webhosting Buzz. On a two-year plan it is costing me about $3/month.

And I apologize. Ripoff was the wrong word. I simply meant to imply that there is no need to spend that much for what the OP needed.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Webhostingtalk shared offer section - scroll down a bit. Hosting specials that will get you decent hosts for $2 or $3 a month. Same forum you can do research into any you are not sure of.

Sorry kingfish all those other features etc is just not needed for a network site and many of the hosts are solid with great tech support running litespeed and never gave me a problem. Money sites sure up the ante pay a bit more because you have more to do on them, Network sites not so much.

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Kingfish85

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Webhostingtalk shared offer section - scroll down a bit. Hosting specials that will get you decent hosts for $2 or $3 a month. Same forum you can do research into any you are not sure of.

Sorry kingfish all those other features etc is just not needed for a network site and many of the hosts are solid with great tech support running litespeed and never gave me a problem. Money sites sure up the ante pay a bit more because you have more to do on them, Network sites not so much.

Fair enough, I choose to run my business differently with more options.

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mosthost 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Kingfish85

Fair enough, I choose to run my business differently with more options.

You're barking up the wrong tree In order to sell professional web hosting, you need to be dealing with professionals. WHT and WF are not the place for it. Stick with marketing to businesses.
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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

So with these shared hosting accounts how many sites is it safe to add to each hosting account if your only using the account to host your own private blog network ?

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

So with these shared hosting accounts how many sites is it safe to add to each hosting account if your only using the account to host your own private blog network ?

If they share no outbound links between them, as many as you want really. If they are all linking to the same site, one.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If they share no outbound links between them, as many as you want really. If they are all linking to the same site, one.

Really just one emmmm

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Really just one emmmm

Well if you are going to do more than one, then what is the point of getting different accounts and different IP addresses in the first place? Just throw them all on one account then.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Well if you are going to do more than one, then what is the point of getting different accounts and different IP addresses in the first place? Just throw them all on one account then.

LOL yeah kinda makes sense thanks Mike

So i guess it goes back to a early comment of yours where you say that $3/4 is more than enough to pay

I`ve got a Skynethosting account but i`m just paranoid to add any more domains to it as i had one deindexed the other day so i`m now paying $19 PM to host 3 domains

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MikeFriedman

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

LOL yeah kinda makes sense thanks Mike

So i guess it goes back to a early comment of yours where you say that $3/4 is more than enough to pay

I`ve got a Skynethosting account but i`m just paranoid to add any more domains to it as i had one deindexed the other day so i`m now paying $19 PM to host 3 domains

Don't they still give you 15 IP's for that price? Or is that just because you only have 3 other domains?

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seocognition 10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

If they share no outbound links between them, as many as you want really. If they are all linking to the same site, one.

Greetings,

Are you saying that if I have:

domain.com
domain2.com

on a Class C setup with (private domain registration) pointing the same outbound links to: domain3.com (hosted somewhere else), I will get detected by Google?

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

No Mike its 10 domains for $19 PM

Any one you recommend for shared hosting ?

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MikeFriedman 12 years ago

Most shared hosts I have used have been fine. Fatcow, WebHosting Buzz, WebHosting Hub, HostGator... Only one I have been unhappy with is 1&1 Hosting. Complete garbage.
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SkyNetHosting

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Hi guys,

I just wondered if any of you have heard about any problems using Skynethosting ?

I have seen a few posts about google targeting this seo hosting company and just wondered if its really a problem is google deindexing and targeting Skynethost ?

thanks James

We are currently hosting over 100,000 domains in over 25 data centers world wide with SEO hosting being our main business. We work with many SEO providers which they use our hosting for their customers and we never had or have any issues with Google.

Further more we rank No1 or in top 10 for almost every SEO hosting / A Class / b-Class / C-Class / related keyword in Google for almost a decade.

Hope this helps!

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

We are currently hosting over 100,000 domains in over 25 data centers world wide with SEO hosting being our main business. We work with many SEO providers which they use our hosting for their customers and we never had or have any issues with Google.

Further more we rank No1 or in top 10 for almost every SEO hosting / A Class / b-Class / C-Class / related keyword in Google for almost a decade.

Hope this helps!

Yeah it shows your the top dog in SEO Hosting but doesn`t mean google isn`t looking at SEO hosting more and more,

I just asked the question in general about SEO hosting i dont know too much about it i`ve not been using this kind of hosting as long as some of the guys here i have a account with you and only had a few domains on it all expensive though and one has been deinedxed so i asked a question

I understand there could be many reasons why the site was deindexed but i now feel uneasy about adding another domain to my skynet account

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SkyNetHosting

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

I just asked the question in general about SEO hosting i dont know too much about it i`ve not been using this kind of hosting as long as some of the guys here i have a account with you and only had a few domains on it all expensive though and one has been deinedxed so i asked a question

Isn't it really unfair on the host point of view that the first time one site of yours get de-indexed, you jump on the bandwagon and say skynethosting.net is not safe? Do you mean whole 100,000 domains we host in 25 data centers are not safe or even the whole SEO hosting industry is at risk just because one site of yours got de-indexed? Please be more responsible with what you say.

With that being said I have decided have closer look at the 3 sites that you host with us. Here's what I found.

1. Your sites looks more like pure link farms with copywrite materiel taken from other sites. This kind of behavior will not only get you banned from google but will also creates copywrite violation issues. If you want to rank well you'll need to have original content that is useful to the users, duplicates would not take you anywhere.

2. In the other hand, your SEO tactics looks outdated on these sites. They might have worked well few years back but it looks exactly the type of sites that would get hit by the Panda and Penguin Updates.

3. I also assume you have tried luck with SEO hosting after your sites got hit by Panda and Penguin Updates? slap me if I'm wrong though

Hope this helps and feel free get in touch with me over steve[@]skynethosting.net or skype: skynsteve if you need any detailed advice. Even though its not our scope to provide SEO advice for the customers I would like to point you out few things that would help you to regain your rankings.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Isn't it really unfair on the host point of view that the first time one site of yours get de-indexed, you jump on the bandwagon and say skynethosting.net is not safe? Do you mean whole 100,000 domains we host in 25 data centers are not safe or even the whole SEO hosting industry is at risk just because one site of yours got de-indexed? Please be more responsible with what you say.

Oh really the first time??? How come that I hear at a private forum that a standard deindexing rate of 2-5% of their sites that are hosted at Skynet SEO hosting is fairly standard. Those people have no benefit on lieing about it. 2-5%, I have 250+ sites myself, I haven't had a single site deindexed in the last 6 months and according to their math I should've lost, lets say 3% per month or in other words 7.5 site, that comes down to about 45 sites over the course of 6 months if I had used SEO hosting. I guess I am just lucky that I paid a bit more for shared hosting plans right?

The whole SEO hosting industry is at risk, oh really??? Oh there I go again..., there will always be dumb found people who will keep making use of cheap hostings to sell crappy services so don't worry the SEO hosting industry is not at risk at all.

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

With that being said I have decided have closer look at the 3 sites that you host with us. Here's what I found.

1. Your sites looks more like pure link farms with copywrite materiel taken from other sites. This kind of behavior will not only get you banned from google but will also creates copywrite violation issues. If you want to rank well you'll need to have original content that is useful to the users, duplicates would not take you anywhere.

Oh really??? If I do a reverse IP on one of your C-class or A-class IP's then every single site looks like a link farm. SEO hosting attracts blog networks and normal people stay clear from it, so don't start to blame this poster that his site looks like a link farm / blog network site when every single site looks like one. Or would you like me to do some reverse IP look up right now for everyone to see and judge their selves?

You also want to claim that BMR, HPRS aren't taken down cause of the immens easy way to track down all of them cause they all shared the same C-class clusters. Seriously how obvious do people want to make it for Google. And it weren't just BMR and HPRS, it were also a whole bunch of small private networks that were sharing the same IP.

There is no coincedence that people who get their site deindexed automatically get the sites deindexed that share the same IP.

I ain't saying that SEO hosting is 100% the causation but it does attract a TON of poor sites and once one of them gets tracked then the whole bunch on that IP get's down with them. And I guess we both agree that SEO hosting has a huge target on their back. If I were Google I would just buy subscriptions at every server of yours and take down the whole lot of 100k sites over night. It doesn't take a genius to do that.

So yeah people , stay clear from SEO hosting if your money is precious to you.

I have a good advice for you btw, you should start a WSO, plenty of noobs to attract more money from to keep your SEO hosting industry a live. You must feel real proud of yourself!

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Isn't it really unfair on the host point of view that the first time one site of yours get de-indexed, you jump on the bandwagon and say skynethosting.net is not safe? Do you mean whole 100,000 domains we host in 25 data centers are not safe or even the whole SEO hosting industry is at risk just because one site of yours got de-indexed? Please be more responsible with what you say.

With that being said I have decided have closer look at the 3 sites that you host with us. Here's what I found.

1. Your sites looks more like pure link farms with copywrite materiel taken from other sites. This kind of behavior will not only get you banned from google but will also creates copywrite violation issues. If you want to rank well you'll need to have original content that is useful to the users, duplicates would not take you anywhere.

2. In the other hand, your SEO tactics looks outdated on these sites. They might have worked well few years back but it looks exactly the type of sites that would get hit by the Panda and Penguin Updates.

3. I also assume you have tried luck with SEO hosting after your sites got hit by Panda and Penguin Updates? slap me if I'm wrong though

Hope this helps and feel free get in touch with me over steve[@]skynethosting.net or skype: skynsteve if you need any detailed advice. Even though its not our scope to provide SEO advice for the customers I would like to point you out few things that would help you to regain your rankings.

Wow your aggressive arnt you lol have a nice day

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Wow your aggressive arnt you lol have a nice day

That guy is just trying to save face with his pathetic hosting service.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

That guy is just trying to save face with his pathetic hosting service.

Yes he`s a horrible guy isn`t he ?

Niko i`ve sent you `PM`d` the url for the site that i host on skynet that the Horrible man from Skynet says is a link farm copyrighted , google watch out peice of crap...

Can you just have a look .. YES i`m new to that type of thing so please be 100% honest and post what you see here and be hard on me i have nothing to hide i want to learn so take it away..

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Yes he`s a horrible guy isn`t he ?

Niko i`ve sent you `PM`d` the url for the site that i host on skynet that the Horrible man from Skynet says is a link farm copyrighted , google watch out peice of crap...

Can you just have a look .. YES i`m new to that type of thing so please be 100% honest and post what you see here and be hard on me i have nothing to find i want to learn so take it away..

As said in the PM, when one site gets reported to Google that shares that IP then you can expect all of the sites on that IP to be taken down. The proof is all out there at FCS, you won't be the first one.

Besides that all sites on seo hosting are link farms, if they were not they would've chosen a normal hosting plan.

Everyone should avoid SEO hosting like the plague.

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SkyNetHosting

12 years ago

As said in the PM, when one site gets reported to Google that shares that IP then you can expect all of the sites on that IP to be taken down. The proof is all out there at FCS, you won't be the first one.

Only one of his sites were de-indexed and all the other sites on his IP are doing well

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Only one of his sites were de-indexed and all the other sites on his IP are doing well

I first just checked some sites randomly, now I runned scrapebox on it.

129 sites on that IP adress that ends at 8.248, then you know we talk about the same one

Not indexed: 54

That is almost half!
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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Only one of his sites were de-indexed and all the other sites on his IP are doing well

And like i said i was only asking a question Steve i am sorry if i spoke out of place about Skynet but that domain cost me $220 or something close and i was just about to add a new domian to my account look i did get hit by the Panda and Penguin my cash flow is none exsistant and losing a 200 buck domain is the last thing i need ok and i asked a question on this forum

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SkyNetHosting

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

And like i said i was only asking a question Steve i am sorry if i spoke out of place about Skynet but that domain cost me $220 or something close and i was just about to add a new domian to my account look i did get hit by the Panda and Penguin my cash flow is none exsistant and losing a 200 buck domain is the last thing i need ok and i asked a question on this forum

Apologies accepted, and I was sorry too if I spoke out loud. I was simply trying to help you and explain some of the issues with your sites that would help you in the long run.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Apologies accepted, and I was sorry too if I spoke out loud. I was simply trying to help you and explain some of the issues with your sites that would help you in the long run.

Thanks lol

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SkyNetHosting

12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Wow your aggressive arnt you lol have a nice day

I'm really sorry if you take me that way. I was trying point out some issues with your sites, which would eventually help you with SEO in the long run. That you call me a horrible man? honestly I feel bad for all the time I spend out on your sites.

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

I'm really sorry if you take me that way. I was trying point out some issues with your sites, which would eventually help you with SEO in the long run. That you call me a horrible man? honestly I feel bad for all the time I spend out on your sites.

Steve can we just forget it really this isn`t my style anyway, i`m offering my hand please accept i apologise and forget the whole thing dam its giving me bad vibes first first on a Monday morning dont need it , dont want it

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

Isn't it really unfair on the host point of view that the first time one site of yours get de-indexed, you jump on the bandwagon and say skynethosting.net is not safe? Do you mean whole 100,000 domains we host in 25 data centers are not safe or even the whole SEO hosting industry is at risk just because one site of yours got de-indexed? Please be more responsible with what you say.

Dam put your dummy back in Stephen

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting

1. Your sites looks more like pure link farms with copywrite materiel taken from other sites. This kind of behavior will not only get you banned from google but will also creates copywrite violation issues. If you want to rank well you'll need to have original content that is useful to the users, duplicates would not take you anywhere.

I actually got someone to write that content for me i`ll have to check but i think your fibbing Stephen lol

And yeah maybe i do need your SEO advice i`ll add you on skype .. actually i wont i dont like aggressive people like you but anyway i am new to all this theres only 9 links on the whole of my sites so thats 2 original 500 word articles with 9 links on Thesis theme with images. Yes i`m new to this so if that a link farm copycat site you got me

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jape

12 years ago

OK. Let's wait for somebody from the future to tell us how Skynet is doing

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jimkirk1943

12 years ago

Well i guess i also should get off my high horse my site of course does look like link farms it would be very obvious for a google employe to spot EXACTLY wot is going on

Although i`m staying strong about the content it is original lol bloody hope so !!!

but hey 9 links thats it ??? I`m still learning lol

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SkyNetHosting 12 years ago

Originally Posted by jimkirk1943

Although i`m staying strong about the content it is original lol bloody hope so !!!

I'f you like I could PM you the other sites that has the same lines, if that helps.
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- jimkirk1943 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by SkyNetHosting
  
  I'f you like I could PM you the other sites that has the same lines, if that helps.
  
  Yes ok then steve that would be interesting
  
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Kingfish85

12 years ago

....just wow. That's all I've got to say. /unsubscribed.

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stacyeva87

12 years ago

I am not so sure about skynethosting but yes hostgator, fatcow, mnis is reliable one.