Proof The EMD Update Does Not Target Crappy EMDs

by Becker13 Banned
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So last night as I was thinking to myself...

How can Google target EMDS. I mean yes, they do exist, but if you think about it...Every site is a EMD for a search

For example if I made a site called catswithhatsandguns.com, sure that search does not get a TON of search volume...but it is a exact match for the search "cats with hats and guns"

I then noticed that NONE of my EMDS have been hit, even the REALLY crappy ones I have made just to test link theories in Google...

So it became very apparent to me this update is

A) Cannot be based JUST around EMDS because every site is a EMD

B) Is looking at something in our links or activity that says "This is a crap EMD"


Obviously there is something in the way some of us link that points out a EMD.

For example this site ranks first for the search "D Drol"

D Drol

This is not a huge search OR a competitive search AT ALL. Very easy to rank for, and has about a 1000+ global exact search volume. Not very high, but not TOTALLY irrelevant either.

Anyways this site is the DEFINITION of a beyond crappy EMD domain, yet it is not penalized and still getting about 30 visits a day from the 1st spot.

While I have many big quality sites, I do also have a ton of crap just like this and none of it has been hit (yet).

In conclusion

I believe this update has more to do with links instead of being a EMD. I also truly believe it has to do with our anchor text or link patterns and NOT the fact that our sites are EMD.

Like I said before EVERY site is "technically" a EMD. So being a EMD alone is not enough to get you slapped. Google HAS to be looking at something other than that to target sites.

Now I am not saying this site will last forever

I am not saying that I have SOLVED THE NEW ALGORITHM FOREVA

I am saying that there is more than meets the eye going on with this algo update

Thoughts?
#crappy #emd #emds #proof #target #update
  • Profile picture of the author ShutupAndEarn
    I moved up in rankings in all of my emds. From #6 to #1 in one case #8 to #3 in another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by ShutupAndEarn View Post

      I moved up in rankings in all of my emds. From #6 to #1 in one case #8 to #3 in another.
      Yeah its like crazy obvious that this algo is looking for links that say "EMD" alert.

      Be very interesting to compare the link profile of a EMD that got hit and one that did not

      Anyways have a EMD that got hit, I would love to analyze your links n compare them to mine
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    • Profile picture of the author adamcm
      I am curious what types of links you built and the anchor text distribution.

      When I look at my EMD that is gone, I had social bookmarks, article links and a blog network. The anchor distribution should have been ok as my main keyword was 40%. I was curious if it was the blog network linking and not the EMD itself.
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      • Profile picture of the author mojo1
        It's all quite interesting. It seems in the tax attorney industry where my site was banished, as of today, serp pages 2 and beyond are now all directory style sites.

        For the record, these sites did not dominate the top 50 results at all previously.

        My cheesy one page holiday, emd sites are still in the #1 positions.

        Perhaps the focus is on the big, money clicks niches?

        Just a thought.

        Also, I'm of the mind that Google is clearing the front page for industries where they have become Affiliates themselves. Last week during my search for "free business checking" , Lil' Ms. Google was on the very top of the page which featured a type of grid display of all the available banks with a rating system.

        The link on each result within the grid clearly stating the following:
        "Sponsored:Based on your search query, we think you are trying to find a checking account. Clicking in this box will show you checking account providers that can fulfill your request. Google may be compensated by some of these providers."

        We'll begin to see more and more of this in Google's serps.

        It's their sandbox though so it's in our best interest to keep it moving.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    There's always going to be more than meets the eye with each Google algo. update, that's the whole point of not telling anyone their secrets.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      There's always going to be more than meets the eye with each Google algo. update, that's the whole point of not telling anyone their secrets.
      Yeah of course...Dont drink the poison. For all we know they just randomly took down sites

      I mean their main goal right now is to discourage SEO, not improve quality

      Anyhoo is just very annoying seeing people on here saying

      OMG YOU CANT RANK THEM EMDS NO MORE...when the truth is quite the opposite (for now)
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

        Yeah of course...Dont drink the poison. For all we know they just randomly took down sites

        I mean their main goal right now is to discourage SEO, not improve quality

        Anyhoo is just very annoying seeing people on here saying

        OMG YOU CANT RANK THEM EMDS NO MORE...when the truth is quite the opposite (for now)
        I know EMDs can still be ranked, I'm looking at my competitions SERPs right now. This particular EMD has decent links & usually ranked at the top of the SERPs for a lot of relevant keywords, now he's sitting at the bottom of page #1 for most of his keywords.

        Might not have anything to do with the EMD algo. update, but this guys EMD has been holding steady with good SERP positions for months, now within 24 hours after the EMD update, he's losing traffic.

        I'm sure there's a lot more going on than just targeting EMDs, but I seriously doubt G is hitting random sites, more likely testing their algo. before they drop the hammer on even more EMDs. Google usually test their algo. updates in small batches.

        [source: hxxps://twitter.com/mattcutts]
        New exact-match domain (EMD) algo affects 0.6% of English-US queries to a noticeable degree. Unrelated to Panda/Penguin.
        I have a feeling this update will impact a lot more EMDs, soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    There is also the possibility that the update is not yet done rolling out...
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      There is also the possibility that the update is not yet done rolling out...
      Exactly what I'm thinking, that comment Matt C. made on Twitter is a tip off that more EMDs will be on the radar (outside the US SERPs). I doubt G is even finished with US SERP EMDs, it took my competitions EMD about 24 hours to show SERP movement (US SERPs) on keywords/pages that usually had solid SERP rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      There is also the possibility that the update is not yet done rolling out...
      Of course of course of course. Honestly it is just a matter of time before I site I showed gets smacked.

      But look at what I also pointed out. Every site is "technically" a EMD. There has to be something in our links or a pattern that highlights a site as a "crummy EMD"

      Google cannot simply make a algorithm that punishes every site that is a EMD.

      We are also seeing VERY low quality EMDs stick and medium quality EMDS getting smacked.

      There has to be something that trips the low quality EMD alarm
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  • I understand your thinking. Seems like they didn't penalize EMDs, as you say quite impossible to implement, just took away the benefit that this attribute once had in terms of relevance (IMO).
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    My emds are fine. It has something to do with other signals that tells google it's a crappy emd site. Not just domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddwebx
    I agree with you. EMDs will never gone, because until certain point all websites, including big brands are EMDs. Take a look at this search query : https://www.google.com/search?q=hond...hrome&ie=UTF-8

    Obviously, Honda.com is an EMD, yet you still see it ranking number #1. You cannot target all EMDs as that is a silly idea, you will even affect big brands, large and small businesses.

    You CAN still rank EMDs and they will never lose their boost, It would be silly if Toyota outranks Honda for the search term Honda right? Now you may think that I'm idiotic for giving an example with such a big brand, where obviously it will have thousands of links and a large amount of pages, but this concept also applies to small businesses, vets, restaurants, etc all this small business won't have such a large amount of backlinks, it will ruin users experience by dropping them in the SERPS just because it's an EMD for it's own business name...

    I also don't think this updates targets the anchor text, as that's pretty much what Penguin is for. But you are right, they must be checking a given factor to determine if it's someone trying to get a given keyword or if it's a real brand providing real value to the world... Most of people building EMDs for the solely purpose of getting that keyword they often have a one page website and many times it's a really short article.

    I think they will be looking at how many pages your website has and if it has affiliate links ( pretty much any outgoing link could be a potential affiliate website, therefore you are at risk ). Real businesses won't have just one page of content right? and they won't link to their competitor, correct me if I'm wrong.

    None of my EMDs have lost their rankings so far, but I build atleast 20-30 pages per website, and vary up my anchor text.
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  • Profile picture of the author treezie
    Oh yeah I have no doubt this update is (also) an offpage update. Most of my first page non-EMDs got blasted out of the Top 100. The ones that didn't seem to have a fair amount of real links coming to them...and some essence of a social signal.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    As Bnetwork pointed out before as well, I think this update has a lot to do with site structure, as that could better indicate if a site is an EMD or not, besides that many sites dropped that were non EMD.

    Google is also definitely using number of advertisements in his filter cause it simply can't be that every single local client of mine is still ranking perfectly fine with the exact same back links and sometimes a bit crappy or few content, while at the same time MANY affiliate/adsense sites are hit.

    That just doesn't add up!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Barr
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      As Bnetwork pointed out before as well, I think this update has a lot to do with site structure, as that could better indicate if a site is an EMD or not, besides that many sites dropped that were non EMD.

      Google is also definitely using number of advertisements in his filter cause it simply can't be that every single local client of mine is still ranking perfectly fine with the exact same back links and sometimes a bit crappy or few content, while at the same time MANY affiliate/adsense sites are hit.

      That just doesn't add up!
      I am seeing the same thing! My local clients are all doing fine (thank goodness) as is my own local business site. Every single one of my affiliate-based sites has dropped like a stone. I think they are targeting sites which carry a large proportion of affiliate links or advertising.

      Not sure about Adsense as I don't run any sites monetized primarily with that.

      I do think Google's long term aim is to knock any affiliate that they don't have a finger in, out of the SERPS.

      Makes me wonder if using a PHP redirect script (i.e. affiliate cloaking) rather than a "naked" Amazon link would remedy things, however, this would impede Amazon geo-redirect...
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

        I am seeing the same thing! My local clients are all doing fine (thank goodness) as is my own local business site. Every single one of my affiliate-based sites has dropped like a stone. I think they are targeting sites which carry a large proportion of affiliate links or advertising.

        Not sure about Adsense as I don't run any sites monetized primarily with that.

        I do think Google's long term aim is to knock any affiliate that they don't have a finger in, out of the SERPS.

        Makes me wonder if using a PHP redirect script (i.e. affiliate cloaking) rather than a "naked" Amazon link would remedy things, however, this would impede Amazon geo-redirect...
        Believe me, redirecting affiliate scripts is worse of all. I've had tons of problems getting those sites ranked in the first place, and those are exactly the ones that are hit most hard of all.

        The naked affiliate link is really the best option to chose.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    yep weird as hell!
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  • Profile picture of the author Capbell
    Obviously every name is a "EDM". The difference is that a domain like "bestvacuumbluecleanerreviews" is clearly a name trying to take advantage of the emd "boost". If I can instantly spot it, I can program a machine to spot it. Stop overthinking it people, it's very simple:

    If you intentionally bought a domain name with the sole purpose of ranking that name as a keyword, you are going to leave some sort of footprint.

    Buy good domain names that make sense, write articles that make sense on the subject you want to rank for and get a good backlinking profile. Forget the rest and you will not have to worry about these things. If you get hit anyway, you can request a reconsideration, so chill the f*** out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Strong point but an even more serious issue that might have catastrophic implications is that Becker and I have agreed twice within the last 24 hours. I am beginning to think this Mayan calendar thing might have something to it. downright scary. There may will be a rift in space -time that could tear the planet apart.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    My site Toyota Hilux Vigo 2013 2012 New 2011 2010 2009 2008 Minor Change Toyota Vigo Thailand Toyota Fortuner Nissan Navara 4x4 Pickup Truck Dealer Exporter SUV Thailand Australia NZ UK Dubai Dealer has been hit on "Toyota Hilux Vigo" and "Toyota hilux" related searches but is fine on all other searches so it does seem that Google is targeting EMDs just because they are exact match for the particular keyword. Three crappy contents are doing better than mine even though they have spun content.
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    • Profile picture of the author UMS
      Originally Posted by jfambrini View Post

      My site Toyota Hilux Vigo 2013 2012 New 2011 2010 2009 2008 Minor Change Toyota Vigo Thailand Toyota Fortuner Nissan Navara 4x4 Pickup Truck Dealer Exporter SUV Thailand Australia NZ UK Dubai Dealer has been hit on "Toyota Hilux Vigo" and "Toyota hilux" related searches but is fine on all other searches so it does seem that Google is targeting EMDs just because they are exact match for the particular keyword. Three crappy contents are doing better than mine even though they have spun content.
      But yours does have a lot of keyword stuffing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        But yours does have a lot of keyword stuffing.
        Yeah I think the update is more focus at signs of crap instead of EMDs
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      • Profile picture of the author Ducksauce
        Originally Posted by UMS View Post

        But yours does have a lot of keyword stuffing.
        And the site would not give me confidence to hand over money for a new pick up.
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        • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
          Is it possible that Google could "hone in" on a site that's optimized for
          a single phrase, especially if it's in the domain?

          For example: If I build a site around the keyphrase "Cat Tinker Toys",
          register the domain CatTinkerToys.com, have a main post about Cat
          Tinker Toys, have other posts written around LSI or closely related
          keyphrases, and then all (or a majority) of the links I build contain
          that keyword (or a synonym) in the link text then I think Google
          could POSSIBLY target that site.

          POSSIBLY.

          But who really knows?

          I think Google is so hell bent on destroying certain types of marketers
          that it's willing to live with a little collateral damage (plus it covers their
          "tracks").
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by W.P. Allen View Post

            Is it possible that Google could "hone in" on a site that's optimized for
            a single phrase, especially if it's in the domain?

            For example: If I build a site around the keyphrase "Cat Tinker Toys",
            register the domain CatTinkerToys.com, have a main post about Cat
            Tinker Toys, have other posts written around LSI or closely related
            keyphrases, and then all (or a majority) of the links I build contain
            that keyword (or a synonym) in the link text then I think Google
            could POSSIBLY target that site.

            POSSIBLY.

            But who really knows?

            I think Google is so hell bent on destroying certain types of marketers
            that it's willing to live with a little collateral damage (plus it covers their
            "tracks").
            Yeah but what if my company is named: SEO Service Group.

            I put it in my url
            I put it in my title
            I put it in my footer with the copyright thing
            I build a few links with that anchor cause I have a competitor that has almost the same name
            The content talks about seo services with lsi like onpage seo, offpage seo, kw research

            How would Google know the difference between:

            Panasonic Microwave Parts

            and

            SEO Service Group

            Well maybe they can, I've been thinking that they might use some database of words that rips the domain names apart to see how many product / info keywords are in there where they ignore service keywords like:

            service
            group
            accountant
            contractor
            training
            etc.

            And/or when it has 3 words or more in a row that it hits it.

            Well, who knows, you know what's funny, someone showed me one of his sites which was an obvious MFA, it wasn't hit though, why? Cause it had no Adsense or Affiliate deals on it, it was just a 3 page site that wasn't monetized.

            So perhaps we just have to chose:

            - a brand domain name
            - long titles that doesn't only fit the keyword in
            - forget about putting it in alt img tags, instead just a picture description
            - write natural articles, no repeating of the exact key phrase
            - add nice images to each posts (lowers conversion though)
            - perhaps some social sharing plugins
            - a contact page with a REAL ADRESS
            - put the REAL ADRESS in the footer
            - put a phone number at the site

            Heck, fake it till you make it!

            Might work!
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            • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
              Yeah but what if my company is named: SEO Service Group.

              I put it in my url
              I put it in my title
              I put it in my footer with the copyright thing
              I build a few links with that anchor cause I have a competitor that has almost the same name
              The content talks about seo services with lsi like onpage seo, offpage seo, kw research
              Collateral damage
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by W.P. Allen View Post

                Collateral damage
                Companies need to have 2 company names nowadays to escape the wrath of Google
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by jfambrini View Post

      My site Toyota Hilux Vigo 2013 2012 New 2011 2010 2009 2008 Minor Change Toyota Vigo Thailand Toyota Fortuner Nissan Navara 4x4 Pickup Truck Dealer Exporter SUV Thailand Australia NZ UK Dubai Dealer has been hit on "Toyota Hilux Vigo" and "Toyota hilux" related searches but is fine on all other searches so it does seem that Google is targeting EMDs just because they are exact match for the particular keyword. Three crappy contents are doing better than mine even though they have spun content.
      Pulled this from your site:

      "For 101 years our companies have provided greatest quality vehicles at great prices,..."

      That just made my night
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  • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
    I don't know, to claim proof of this based on some limited data set is a stretch to say the least especially when you don't know the qualifiers for the pattern being searched for. It could be some strange combination of number of global searches for a keyword with an exact match domain that has less then 30 pages of content none of which updated in 30 days and 90% of the backlinks are focused on the homepage. So without knowing all of this you are barely even guessing nevermind proving anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Nelapsi View Post

      I don't know, to claim proof of this based on some limited data set is a stretch to say the least especially when you don't know the qualifiers for the pattern being searched for. It could be some strange combination of number of global searches for a keyword with an exact match domain that has less then 30 pages of content none of which updated in 30 days and 90% of the backlinks are focused on the homepage. So without knowing all of this you are barely even guessing nevermind proving anything.
      I don't think Google builds in many hard rules like that, it must be some sophisticated algorhythm thing but yeah could be any combination.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I don't think Google builds in many hard rules like that, it must be some sophisticated algorhythm thing but yeah could be any combination.
        I am fairly confident they don't either but I was trying to demonstrate that these updates check far more then just:

        If domainname = EMD then sink it

        And... one website does not show proof... 10 websites don't show proof
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

    So last night as I was thinking to myself...

    How can Google target EMDS. I mean yes, they do exist, but if you think about it...Every site is a EMD for a search

    For example if I made a site called catswithhatsandguns.com, sure that search does not get a TON of search volume...but it is a exact match for the search "cats with hats and guns"

    I then noticed that NONE of my EMDS have been hit, even the REALLY crappy ones I have made just to test link theories in Google...

    So it became very apparent to me this update is

    A) Cannot be based JUST around EMDS because every site is a EMD

    B) Is looking at something in our links or activity that says "This is a crap EMD"

    Obviously there is something in the way some of us link that points out a EMD.

    For example this site ranks first for the search "D Drol"

    D Drol

    This is not a huge search OR a competitive search AT ALL. Very easy to rank for, and has about a 1000+ global exact search volume. Not very high, but not TOTALLY irrelevant either.

    Anyways this site is the DEFINITION of a beyond crappy EMD domain, yet it is not penalized and still getting about 30 visits a day from the 1st spot.

    While I have many big quality sites, I do also have a ton of crap just like this and none of it has been hit (yet).

    In conclusion

    I believe this update has more to do with links instead of being a EMD. I also truly believe it has to do with our anchor text or link patterns and NOT the fact that our sites are EMD.

    Like I said before EVERY site is "technically" a EMD. So being a EMD alone is not enough to get you slapped. Google HAS to be looking at something other than that to target sites.

    Now I am not saying this site will last forever

    I am not saying that I have SOLVED THE NEW ALGORITHM FOREVA

    I am saying that there is more than meets the eye going on with this algo update

    Thoughts?
    I don't understand how this is proof?

    All it is, is your opinion, which is going to be different than Google's opinion. and it is Google's opinion that matters.

    Not only that but just because your sites haven't been hit doesn't mean they will be safe in the future.

    Same with other sites. A lot of people are pointing to others sites saying well these guys haven't been hit and their site is crap.

    Again stuff like that is just that person's own opinion and not Googles, and just because others sites haven't been hit, doesn't mean they won't in the future.

    No one knows yet how sites are going to be affected exactly, but everyone does know sites are currently being affected.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      I don't understand how this is proof?

      All it is, is your opinion, which is going to be different than Google's opinion. and it is Google's opinion that matters.

      Not only that but just because your sites haven't been hit doesn't mean they will be safe in the future.

      Same with other sites. A lot of people are pointing to others sites saying well these guys haven't been hit and their site is crap.

      Again stuff like that is just that person's own opinion and not Googles, and just because others sites haven't been hit, doesn't mean they won't in the future.

      No one knows yet how sites are going to be affected exactly, but everyone does know sites are currently being affected.
      Read the last 3 words of what you qouted

      Now I am not saying this site will last forever

      I am not saying that I have SOLVED THE NEW ALGORITHM FOREVA

      I am saying that there is more than meets the eye going on with this algo update


      Good day
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      • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
        Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

        Read the last 3 words of what you qouted

        Now I am not saying this site will last forever

        I am not saying that I have SOLVED THE NEW ALGORITHM FOREVA

        I am saying that there is more than meets the eye going on with this algo update


        Good day
        *laughs* You should read your own title then too...
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        • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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          Originally Posted by Nelapsi View Post

          *laughs* You should read your own title then too...
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          • Profile picture of the author imer2012
            For each "sample" EMD that has SERP < 10
            If "low quality".
            punish it
            Else
            do nothing.
            End Loop.

            We should find out what criteria to define "low quality"
            - Spun content
            - Extensive Ads
            - Affiliate redirect script
            ...
            Some webmasters report that their websites are coming back so is it just a test in small scale?
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            • Profile picture of the author Nelapsi
              Originally Posted by imer2012 View Post

              Some webmasters report that their websites are coming back so is it just a test in small scale?
              I am still seeing some websites being hit today and dropping out of SERP in front of some of my keywords I watch.
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  • Profile picture of the author jason1985
    im starting to think maybe if a seed word is mentioned many times and that see word is also in the domain, maybe its Getting that person was trying to target as the typical EMD sniper thingy magig?
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  • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
    Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

    So last night as I was thinking to myself...

    How can Google target EMDS. I mean yes, they do exist, but if you think about it...Every site is a EMD for a search

    For example if I made a site called catswithhatsandguns.com, sure that search does not get a TON of search volume...but it is a exact match for the search "cats with hats and guns"

    I then noticed that NONE of my EMDS have been hit, even the REALLY crappy ones I have made just to test link theories in Google...

    So it became very apparent to me this update is

    A) Cannot be based JUST around EMDS because every site is a EMD

    B) Is looking at something in our links or activity that says "This is a crap EMD"


    Obviously there is something in the way some of us link that points out a EMD.

    For example this site ranks first for the search "D Drol"

    D Drol

    This is not a huge search OR a competitive search AT ALL. Very easy to rank for, and has about a 1000+ global exact search volume. Not very high, but not TOTALLY irrelevant either.

    Anyways this site is the DEFINITION of a beyond crappy EMD domain, yet it is not penalized and still getting about 30 visits a day from the 1st spot.

    While I have many big quality sites, I do also have a ton of crap just like this and none of it has been hit (yet).

    In conclusion

    I believe this update has more to do with links instead of being a EMD. I also truly believe it has to do with our anchor text or link patterns and NOT the fact that our sites are EMD.

    Like I said before EVERY site is "technically" a EMD. So being a EMD alone is not enough to get you slapped. Google HAS to be looking at something other than that to target sites.

    Now I am not saying this site will last forever

    I am not saying that I have SOLVED THE NEW ALGORITHM FOREVA

    I am saying that there is more than meets the eye going on with this algo update

    Thoughts?

    I completely agree with this. I have several EMD's and a couple of them disappeared, but the only difference between the ones that disappeared and the ones that still rank #1 is the backlink profile...

    Edit:Oh yes, and I forgot to mention that everything is EXACTLY the SAME on all sites EXCEPT the backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsonong
    does it related to .com or .org?

    I got a site EMD.org drop ranking until no where found but my competitor EMD.com now rank in 1st page and the content is duplicate one.

    I do have another site EMD.com and it still remain in good ranking place.

    I wondering someone here got similar experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    None of my sites are EMD's, but a few were hit hard.

    Google is loving forums and crowdsourced solutions to problems (in lower value niches).

    In higher value niches it's creaming off the profits (e.g. watercoolers - 12 ads on the page, only 2 organic results visible). This will work of course until they get hit with a big anti-trust lawsuit. It's coming, and it will hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author DANMYSON
    Back to the main topic here. All sites are emd's, so it cannot be an anti emd algorithm. It is bound to be a further expansion of the penguin update, looking at spammy link portfolios, and spun or copied content that holds little value. I also think that Google is looking much more at bounce rates of sites.
    Many emd sites are spammy cock juice, aimed at getting good rankings to play the numbers games on converting affiliate products or other advertising. This I feel is what the target is. It doesn't matter if you have 500 pages if people only stay on your site for 5 seconds. Is your content relevant, helpful, informative? Is it giving clients what they would want when they search that term?
    Emd's help with indexing, as they should, do what they say on the tin. If they do not, I think that in the long run, the majority will disapear.
    I would mainly use emds as blogs or blog based sites ( like wordpress), where content can be updated easily, and made to be relevant to that search term. I would not add any advertising till my site was well entrenched in that top 10, and it had alternative streams of traffic, so Google can see that it is a site worthy of its position.
    Sticking up x number of pages of shitty content, filling the link profile with scraped software shit links, and hoping is not going to pay off in the long run, in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author vjslav
      One of my websites looks like this, and I didn't lose any rankings, so I am more than just confused.

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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by vjslav View Post

        One of my websites looks like this, and I didn't lose any rankings, so I am more than just confused.

        I think you are seeing personalized results, better try from a different IP that never visited your website and make sure you also check from a local IP, as in if your site is in English and you target the US market then check from the US.

        You can also use a paid service like SerpFox, one of the few very reliable and up to date ones.
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        • Profile picture of the author vjslav
          I use Adwords preview tool, I target United States and I also checked United Kingdom. Also Rank Tracker reports pretty much the same results. I know how to check rankings, mate.

          Also the image is from Webmaster Tools.
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          • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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            Originally Posted by vjslav View Post

            I use Adwords preview tool, I target United States and I also checked United Kingdom. Also Rank Tracker reports pretty much the same results. I know how to check rankings, mate.

            Also the image is from Webmaster Tools.
            I saw similar results for one site. Didnt lose rankings and I checked from a bunch of different remote desktops.

            Very odd lol! What Google black magic is this!

            All my clients and bigger sites still rocking though
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by vjslav View Post

            I use Adwords preview tool, I target United States and I also checked United Kingdom. Also Rank Tracker reports pretty much the same results. I know how to check rankings, mate.

            Also the image is from Webmaster Tools.
            If you rely on RankTracker then you don't know how to check rankings.

            Webmaster Tools has a delay of few days while the % of views is more up to date then the rankings that it shows in the same table. Just saying!
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  • Profile picture of the author Domainate
    It's seemed to be mostly thin sites penalized. I have seen some high content site owners screaming, but not having seen their sites, who knows if it was quality content or crappy content or how they were building links. It's hard to tell if most of the webmasters being penalized are those trying all sorts of linking tricks to rank highly quickly or not, which could be another thing to consider. Would a webmaster who gets the EMD for a term they want to rank quickly for be more apt to go crazy on links with anchor text with that term than someone without an EMD?

    Perhaps it's more than just thin sites being punished but thin SEO efforts as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by Domainate View Post

      It's seemed to be mostly thin sites penalized. I have seen some high content site owners screaming, but not having seen their sites, who knows if it was quality content or crappy content or how they were building links. It's hard to tell if most of the webmasters being penalized are those trying all sorts of linking tricks to rank highly quickly or not, which could be another thing to consider. Would a webmaster who gets the EMD for a term they want to rank quickly for be more apt to go crazy on links with anchor text with that term than someone without an EMD?

      Perhaps it's more than just thin sites being punished but thin SEO efforts as well.
      I think people need to realize pages full of useless content and affiliate links dont make a site "thick" and "quality"
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    And authority also doesn't mean lots of pages. Authority means you are an expert in the field and capable of giving expert advice and the resources to have updated information like in the job market or health niche. This is just a guess but I'm positive no one here has a quality site in the health niche lol. Yeah right.
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    • Profile picture of the author Talen
      Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

      And authority also doesn't mean lots of pages. Authority means you are an expert in the field and capable of giving expert advice and the resources to have updated information like in the job market or health niche. This is just a guess but I'm positive no one here has a quality site in the health niche lol. Yeah right.
      And your proof of this? I not only have an authority site in the health niche but it has been through all the updates unscathed and it's not an EMD and it's on page 1. Then again I didn't target acne so that might be the problem.

      Google has no idea who is an expert or not just like the fact that Google has no idea if it is quality or not. Google does know what the indicators of crap content are though...keyword stuffing, crappy emd's spun content, unnatural links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    haha everyone is a yeast infection expert these days!
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    For sure, we've seen two EMD sites get hit since the 27th. Both are EMD and well optimized on-page, -and the only factor here we can pin-point is thin content that hasn't been updated in ages.

    It's definitely targeting the EMDs with thin content from where I can see.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by SEO Haven View Post

      For sure, we've seen two EMD sites get hit since the 27th. Both are EMD and well optimized on-page, -and the only factor here we can pin-point is thin content that hasn't been updated in ages.

      It's definitely targeting the EMDs with thin content from where I can see.
      Every site on the interent is a EMD for some search...You cant penalize sites based on that.

      There has to be some other factor
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  • Profile picture of the author Al amin
    Even my authority site earnbyblog.com got hit from #1 to Nowhere for keyword "earn by blog"?
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by Al amin View Post

      Even my authority site earnbyblog.com got hit from #1 to Nowhere for keyword "earn by blog"?
      very odd lol
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