Is this site's PR fake

14 years ago

It's faked. Mostly a matter of commonsense.

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SEO Haven

14 years ago

Originally Posted by pasik

Is the PR fake? If it is, how its probably done?

So you can fake yours too? Do you REALLY think that's a smart idea? Forget about it and move on, focus on something that can actually make you money.

As for the site you mentioned, it looks like a site from a blog network, slapped together in 5 minutes. Plus, it's only got articles from June to September so, go figure.

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pasik

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO Haven

So you can fake yours too? Do you REALLY think that's a smart idea? Forget about it and move on, focus on something that can actually make you money.

As for the site you mentioned, it looks like a site from a blog network, slapped together in 5 minutes. Plus, it's only got articles from June to September so, go figure.

I have no intention to fake PRs to my sites. I just want to know how people create those fake PRs.

Is there someone who actually knows it?

I DON'T WANT ANSWERS FROM SOME BESSERWISSER IDIOTS WHO MAKE THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS JUST TO LOOK SMART!!!

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SEO Haven 14 years ago

Originally Posted by pasik

I DON'T WANT ANSWERS FROM SOME BESSERWISSER IDIOTS WHO MAKE THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS JUST TO LOOK SMART!!!

Then don't ask stupid questions, want to know how to fake PR? GOOGLE IT! There... you're welcome.
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- pasik 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by SEO Haven
  
  Then don't ask stupid questions, want to know how to fake PR? GOOGLE IT! There... you're welcome.
  
  Thank you sir. You are so kind.:p
  
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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by SEO Haven

So you can fake yours too? Do you REALLY think that's a smart idea? Forget about it and move on, focus on something that can actually make you money.

As for the site you mentioned, it looks like a site from a blog network, slapped together in 5 minutes. Plus, it's only got articles from June to September so, go figure.

Ummm... Knowing how it is done can make it easier to spot in the future. No need to berate him.

To the OP, along with redirecting the domain, there are some other common ways to fake PR.

The redirect is the most common one. It is an exploit of the toolbar. It is not fooling Google. It is just the toolbar that is too stupid to figure it out. The owner does a 301 to another domain which fools the toolbar into reading the PR of the domain be redirected to. It logs that after the next PR update. Then you can turn off the redirect and the toolbar is still reading the PR of the domain that was being redirected to.

Besides realizing that there are not enough links to support the PR, there are two other easy ways to spot this. First, you can type in info:domain.com into the Google search bar. If anything other than the domain you are checking comes up, you know it is faked using this method. That works about 99% of the time.

The other way to easily spot this exploit is to visit internal pages on the site. This only works if it is not parked. The domain has to be active. If the domain is a PR 6, for example, but all the internal pages are PR n/a or PR 0, then you know the owner did the 301 redirect to create a faked PR. When they do this, they do not redirect the internal pages. By the way, this is often a good way to spot other methods of faking PR too.

Another way to fake PR is that people will point other domains at the domain in question by doing 301 redirect. This passes on their PR to the domain. This is harder to spot. What happens though is after you buy the domain, they turn off the redirects and the PR goes to zero. OpenSite Explorer will spot some of these. The best way to spot this is just to realize that the links you can find do not support the PR being reported.

Yet another common practice to "fake PR" is to rent links. While this will cause the domain to have a real PR, it is not going to last. After they sell you the domain, they stop renting the links, and your PR goes to zero. The thing you want to look out for in this scheme is a lot of blogroll and footer links. Those are the most common rented links. So if all the PR is coming from those kind of links, run. Sometimes they will also use a public blog network like BMR, toss on tons of articles, and then try to flip the domain. Look for a lot of homepage links with PR. Visit the sites and see what they are. Most of the time, you'll find they are blog network sites. The articles will roll off the homepage, and so will your PR.

Those are the most common schemes to look out for.

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pasik

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Ummm... Knowing how it is done can make it easier to spot in the future. No need to berate him.

I know, I little overreacted. It just really p***es me off when people make assumptions as a fact without knowing my real motives...

So, what are my motives? I don't want to get conned with fake PRs. It's simple as that.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

To the OP, along with redirecting the domain, there are some other common ways to fake PR.

The redirect is the most common one. It is an exploit of the toolbar. It is not fooling Google. It is just the toolbar that is too stupid to figure it out. The owner does a 301 to another domain which fools the toolbar into reading the PR of the domain be redirected to. It logs that after the next PR update. Then you can turn off the redirect and the toolbar is still reading the PR of the domain that was being redirected to.

Besides realizing that there are not enough links to support the PR, there are two other easy ways to spot this. First, you can type in info:domain.com into the Google search bar. If anything other than the domain you are checking comes up, you know it is faked using this method. That works about 99% of the time.

The other way to easily spot this exploit is to visit internal pages on the site. This only works if it is not parked. The domain has to be active. If the domain is a PR 6, for example, but all the internal pages are PR n/a or PR 0, then you know the owner did the 301 redirect to create a faked PR. When they do this, they do not redirect the internal pages. By the way, this is often a good way to spot other methods of faking PR too.

Another way to fake PR is that people will point other domains at the domain in question by doing 301 redirect. This passes on their PR to the domain. This is harder to spot. What happens though is after you buy the domain, they turn off the redirects and the PR goes to zero. OpenSite Explorer will spot some of these. The best way to spot this is just to realize that the links you can find do not support the PR being reported.

Yet another common practice to "fake PR" is to rent links. While this will cause the domain to have a real PR, it is not going to last. After they sell you the domain, they stop renting the links, and your PR goes to zero. The thing you want to look out for in this scheme is a lot of blogroll and footer links. Those are the most common rented links. So if all the PR is coming from those kind of links, run. Sometimes they will also use a public blog network like BMR, toss on tons of articles, and then try to flip the domain. Look for a lot of homepage links with PR. Visit the sites and see what they are. Most of the time, you'll find they are blog network sites. The articles will roll off the homepage, and so will your PR.

Those are the most common schemes to look out for.

Thanks Mike, this was very helpful.

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aizaku

14 years ago

FAKE AS HELL.

0 links going to it.

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GyuMan82

14 years ago

PR can be faked by just redirecting the "fake domain" to one that has high PR.

So say you have nopageranksite . com. You would then redirect this to say a high PR page (ie Google.com).

After the next PR update, the nopageranksite .com site will have the same PR as the high PR site (ie Google).

Of course this only fakes the PR and does nothing else. The site even though it will read a PR9 will still be worthless.

I don't fake PR on sites so I am not sure this still works, however from what I've read people are still doin it (and scamming people).

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pasik

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GyuMan82

PR can be faked by just redirecting the "fake domain" to one that has high PR.

So say you have nopageranksite . com. You would then redirect this to say a high PR page (ie Google.com).

After the next PR update, the nopageranksite .com site will have the same PR as the high PR site (ie Google).

Of course this only fakes the PR and does nothing else. The site even though it will read a PR9 will still be worthless.

I don't fake PR on sites so I am not sure this still works, however from what I've read people are still doin it (and scamming people).

Thanks GuyMan!

Finally someone who was actually able to answer to my question instead of posting some useless sh**ty comments.

Seo Haven, you should learn something from GuyMan. It really don't kill you to provide some meaningful info.

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abhigoogle

14 years ago

Originally Posted by pasik

This site has PR 5: morethanyouknowbook(dot)com

I have checked its backlinks with three different backlink checker and none of them shows any links. Is the PR fake? If it is, how its probably done?

Thank in advance.

It's Fake..how can a site achieve a PR5 with just 0 to 2 inbound links ?
Have a look at the screenshot below...

And yes, frankly i have no idea how people do that!

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anexplore

14 years ago

This website is Blocked by Avast in my PC.

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KriiV

14 years ago

Funny how some people don't read the replies above them.

Yeah GyuMan is correct, redirection is the way. You will find a lot more of them now due to the recent PR update.

It's dodgy and scammy. Don't do it.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

technically the site may not be faked at all. It can just have lost all its links. this can happen even with a perfectly legit domain especially since toolbar pagerank updates overwhelmingly are based on already stale data. Lots of people think the end all and be all is that the domain is not faked but thats just the beginning of a good evaluation process

You also have to evaluate the links for the likelihood that they will stay in place.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

technically the site may not be faked at all. It can just have lost all its links. this can happen even with a perfectly legit domain especially since toolbar pagerank updates overwhelmingly are based on already stale data. Lots of people think the end all and be all is that the domain is not faked but thats just the beginning of a good evaluation process

You also have to evaluate the links for the likelihood that they will stay in place.

Yeah. There's all of that too. Everyone, including myself sometimes, often overlooks the obvious.

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Morphius

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

technically the site may not be faked at all. It can just have lost all its links. this can happen even with a perfectly legit domain especially since toolbar pagerank updates overwhelmingly are based on already stale data. Lots of people think the end all and be all is that the domain is not faked but thats just the beginning of a good evaluation process

You also have to evaluate the links for the likelihood that they will stay in place.

Exactly!!!!

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patco

14 years ago

And... there is no reason to fake PR, this won't help you neither for traffic, NOR for clients/sales

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connorbringas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by pasik

This site has PR 5: morethanyouknowbook(dot)com

I have checked its backlinks with three different backlink checker and none of them shows any links. Is the PR fake? If it is, how its probably done?

Thank in advance.

It can be "faked" by a 301 redirect that has yet to show up on different backlink checkers. OR it isnt fake and they have tons of links to it but they have yet to be listed. For example, SEO MOZ is at least 1 month old on their data.