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12 years ago

There's a way out ...stop buying SEO services on WF or any forum for that matter. But I'm sure you'll get some excellent referrals here so you can continue wasting money.

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paulgl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

There's a way out ...stop buying SEO services on WF or any forum for that matter.

ROTFLMAO! You beat me to it.

The dirty little secret is this. The vast majority of people do not
have a need to pay for SEO work, if, and this is a BIG if, they took
matters in their own hands. And I don't mean what you think.

You can buy advertising. It comes in lots of flavors.

If you think you have a real, honest to goodness business,
why is paying for advertising for "online" businesses is such
a dirty word?

This added to the TONS of free stuff that one can do...well...

Paul

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kapilochani

I have been on this forum for a long time now (through a different id)

I guess you just love the experience of being banned

The SEO services which charge monthly and which have great reviews have not worked for my sites. Not even a single seo service has worked for any of my sites.

Lets call a spade a spade - SEO services are not really offered here too often - they are backlinking services and there could be something fatally flawed about your site that no one can help with backlinks and requires on page work which can't be automated

Originally Posted by Nelapsi

Best service I have purchased.. is my own.

Liar liar pants on fire - You never PURCHASED your own.

(if you did I submit you both overcharged yourself and sold your services out too low at the same time which is bad because you need the funds for the next psychiatric visit)

Originally Posted by paulgl

The dirty little secret is this. The vast majority of people do not
have a need to pay for SEO work, if, and this is a BIG if, they took
matters in their own hands. And I don't mean what you think.

You can buy advertising. It comes in lots of flavors.

Paul I have no idea what you are trying to say but what you are saying is nonsense. You are thinking in an WF IM box. The vast majority of people who hire SEOs have their real business to run and taking matters into their own hands is actually a waste if they even can do it.

now if you are talking about adsense and affiliate sites then yes of course but then it doesn't matter anyway because adsense SUCKS for most people anyway so either money or time will be lost. In fact the SEO route is better because when people SPEND money and then don't make it back they quit adsense sooner and save themselves far more time. When they don't they hang around for years on forums trying to try it yet one more time.

SO perhaps these services do provide a valuable service. They make people quit a lousy business model quicker

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SEOSteveO

12 years ago

How is your onpage SEO? Backlinks work for SEO but they are not as good as having good on page seo. You need to optimize your site, such as Title tags, H1, H2 and H3 tags. Making sure your keyword density is around 3-5%, using alot of LSI keywords (Synonyms), do internal linking from within your site ,etc. Make sure your site has good on page seo and then work on getting off page seo using backlinking, etc.

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sdmtl

12 years ago

Originally Posted by SEOSteveO

How is your onpage SEO? Backlinks work for SEO but they are not as good as having good on page seo. You need to optimize your site, such as Title tags, H1, H2 and H3 tags. Making sure your keyword density is around 3-5%, using alot of LSI keywords (Synonyms), do internal linking from within your site ,etc. Make sure your site has good on page seo and then work on getting off page seo using backlinking, etc.

:rolleyes: Wow

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BrianDouglas

12 years ago

Originally Posted by retsek

There's a way out ...stop buying SEO services on WF or any forum for that matter. But I'm sure you'll get some excellent referrals here so you can continue wasting money.

Amen to that.

OP: Get into 5 to 10 forums where your niche is. Put a link in your sig. Search engine should never be your #1 priority. Pretending it should be is the only thing that keeps those bozos in "work".

It's about community engagement and putting yourself in front of those communities. This is why it's important to work in things that interest you. Things that you are passionate about. Because you will spend a lot of time invested in those areas if you want to see google start to like you, send you that "bonus" traffic, and more importantly, if you want repeat visitors who can easily see you're in it with them, not against their wallet.

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movielinks

12 years ago

Originally Posted by kapilochani

The SEO services which are not expensive and promise a lot of things, don't work at all for a lot of their clients. They are just money snatchers.

If you want good quality service obviously that gonna be expensive. To authenticate the service provider, Check their post work and consult with their past/curent clients

The SEO services which are in the range of $50 to $100 one time, work for some clients and some of their sites but not all of them. They didn't work for any of my sites.

Sorry to say but if you are seeking seo service in the range of $50 to $100, I would suggest you to stop expecting quality service

"Quality never comes cheap!"

I am sorry but i am wondering why did you create another account?

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Instead of spending all that time looking for the perfect SEO service you could have been learning SEO. SEO is all about quality links & text, the rest is little details.

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Nelapsi

12 years ago

Best service I have purchased.. is my own. I have read, tested and learned everything I know until I found a system that works for me. Part of the reason many people get taken for a ride by so called SEO Experts is because these people do not know enough to understand they are being handed a line of bullshit.

Take the time and learn.. or continue being victimized

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satrap

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Nelapsi

Best service I have purchased.. is my own. I have read, tested and learned everything I know until I found a system that works for me. Part of the reason many people get taken for a ride by so called SEO Experts is because these people do not know enough to understand they are being handed a line of bullshit.

Take the time and learn.. or continue being victimized

Exactly!

When I started my journey, I didn't even know what SEO meant. So I started reading, learning and applying what I had learned. In less than a year I was able to rank for one of the biggest IM related keywords (make money online).

Noting beats experiencing things for yourself, trying different strategies, experimenting with different things and so on. You can learn far more stuff this way than paying someone to do SEO for you.

As Yukon said, SEO is about quality links & text. Get these tow together and you are good.

Of course, there are details, but trust me, every single detail can be found right here on this forum. You dont need to pay anybody to do it for you.

Now I know some people have big business and dont have the time to do it on their own, thats a different case. At the end of the day, they make more money by outsourcing SEO and focusing their efforts elsewhere. But in your situation it seems like you are just losing money.

So, why not put all you have learned from this forum (after all you had 2 different accounts, so you must be spending lots of time here!) to use and do your own SEO, instead of chasing the best SEO provider.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by satrap

Exactly!

When I started my journey, I didn't even know what SEO meant. So I started reading, learning and applying what I had learned. In less than a year I was able to rank for one of the biggest IM related keywords (make money online).

And where are you ranking right now for that keyword?

Originally Posted by satrap

Noting beats experiencing things for yourself, trying different strategies, experimenting with different things and so on. You can learn far more stuff this way than paying someone to do SEO for you.

True, but when you add up the time vs costs it can get quite unprofitable in terms of ROI, especially when you need more then a few high PR domains to rank for your keywords.

Originally Posted by satrap

As Yukon said, SEO is about quality links & text. Get these tow together and you are good.

& text, really? Yukon is mostly the guy who says he doesn't need text to rank his sites, most of his pages have like 1 sentence if I understand it correctly and most of his content comes in other forms then text (zip files and what not). Btw OP had tons of text and plenty of high quality links, although also a lot of bad ones, and he was still ranking nowhere? Why, cause he only had text and nothing else, literally tons of articles but only that.

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MaryPabelate

Banned 12 years ago

I would say that always go according to rating of any SEO service, you can check their rating in forums, freelance sites as well.

The beauty of hiring any seo from any freelance site is that you can pay less and get more, at the main while you can check their reputation on any SEO service provider, you can check how many clients are happy clients by using their services.

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techgr

12 years ago

Im on the same boat, looked at a fee freelancers, but who knows what there all about..I need to find someone good also...........I tried some fiverr gigs, there all garabge in my books and then some freelancer gigs, garbage again...and all these forum offers, look like hyped up fiverr gigs....im coming to a conclusion, just keep adding content until you get ranked and do some hardcore on page seo and build your backlinks 1 by 1

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

You are Kapil from India right, and at my Skype?

If so then I told you many times that you should change your websites drastically cause right now you have:

- No header
- No design
- Not a single image on the whole site
- No navigation / menu at all
- Not a single video at the whole site
- Many poor back links and over optimized
- The worse looking theme ever, only focused on boosting the CTR (or you could call it an empty theme as it's really only text)

Or in other words a whole bunch of articles setup in such way that everyone would want to leave immidiately, sorry but really no surprise that such sites don't rank.

Especially when you say that not a single SEO service worked for you, while there are plenty that do work for many (not for everyone, I agree with that, but more often then not that's a site issue, cause if the links wouldn't work it wouldn't work for anyone).

Before the latest pretty heavy update we had a success rate of over >85% in ranking sites, after the latest updates I honestly admit it dropped quite a bit (more around 70% success rate) but you ordered my service in the time that it was easier to rank and yes it did not work for you but man, do something about your sites and screw the CTR as if you don't rank the CTR is 0%.

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Ettienne

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

You are Kapil from India right, and at my Skype?

If so then I told you many times that you should change your websites drastically cause right now you have:

- No header
- No design
- Not a single image on the whole site
- No navigation / menu at all
- Not a single video at the whole site
- Many poor back links and over optimized
- The worse looking theme ever, only focused on boosting the CTR (or you could call it an empty theme as it's really only text)

Or in other words a whole bunch of articles setup in such way that everyone would want to leave immidiately, sorry but really no surprise that such sites don't rank.

And there's your answer. As an SEO provider myself, before doing ANY kind of backlinking, we analyze the on-page SEO and give you suggestions. Hell, we even do it for you if you don't know what/how to do it.

Clearly nik0 here gave you the right advice which you were too stubborn to follow, am I right? If so, that's nobody's fault but your own.

SEO starts with your on-page SEO. If you're site's not well optimized and you refuse to take advise from someone who does this on a daily basis, you're right, then there's not a single SEO service out there that will work. Period.

Your layout, website's loading speed, content, inter-linking, meta tags and many other factors all determine how easy/fast you'll rank. If you don't want to listen (to nik0, who's clearly not hiding the fact that you're one of his old clients and gave you, -what seems to be pretty damn good advise), then there's no hope.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Ettienne

Your layout, website's loading speed, content, inter-linking, meta tags and many other factors all determine how easy/fast you'll rank. If you don't want to listen (to nik0, who's clearly not hiding the fact that you're one of his old clients and gave you, -what seems to be pretty damn good advise), then there's no hope.

The content of the site was also very poor, bad grammar and what not.

We just chatted on Skype and he is going to make a new site on a new domain with new decent content, and a nice looking theme (will probably screw the CTR a bit but well). Then I'm gonna do some free back linking for him to give it a start and then we'll take it from there.

I'm no Adsense/affiliate site expert either and I know these type of sites are tougher to rank these days as Google simply hates them so perhaps we start of without ads to add them later on when the rankings are there. Will be interesting to see how that works out when the ads get added.

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kapilochani

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

The content of the site was also very poor, bad grammar and what not.

We just chatted on Skype and he is going to make a new site on a new domain with new decent content, and a nice looking theme (will probably screw the CTR a bit but well). Then I'm gonna do some free back linking for him to give it a start and then we'll take it from there.

I'm no Adsense/affiliate site expert either and I know these type of sites are tougher to rank these days as Google simply hates them so perhaps we start of without ads to add them later on when the rankings are there. Will be interesting to see how that works out when the ads get added.

Thanks a lot for being there my friend

. God bless you.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

We just chatted on Skype and he is going to make a new site on a new domain with new decent content, and a nice looking theme (will probably screw the CTR a bit but well).

This is yet another fatal flaw in the adsense business model - delivering some quality rather than helping you make money can lower your ability to make money. Whereas if you made money by gaining trust (who would really trust an adsense site for anything) then creating quality would help ALL the time.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

This is yet another fatal flaw in the adsense business model - delivering some quality rather than helping you make money can lower your ability to make money. Whereas if you made money by gaining trust (who would really trust an adsense site for anything) then creating quality would help ALL the time.

Yeah worthless concept but its the easy route.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

This is yet another fatal flaw in the adsense business model - delivering some quality rather than helping you make money can lower your ability to make money. Whereas if you made money by gaining trust (who would really trust an adsense site for anything) then creating quality would help ALL the time.

So what your saying is, If you suck at generating traffic for Adsense , the rest of the world can't generate Adsense traffic/income (fail)?

That's the fatal flaw of a guy that can't generate traffic/income, keep jumping ship to the latest greatest IM idea, spin them wheels, lol.

Save that non-generating traffic/income BS for people that don't know any better. For a guy that doesn't like Adsense you sure do talk about it a lot. I get the feeling Google banned someone's Adsense account, darn Google they don't know a quality site when they see one, lol.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

So what your saying is, If you suck at generating traffic for Adsense , the rest of the world can't generate Adsense traffic/income (fail)?

That's the fatal flaw of a guy that can't generate traffic/income, keep jumping ship to the latest greatest IM idea, spin them wheels, lol.

Save that non-generating traffic/income BS for people that don't know any better. For a guy that doesn't like Adsense you sure do talk about it a lot. I get the feeling Google banned someone's Adsense account, darn Google they don't know a quality site when they see one, lol.

Mostly you make better posts so I'm not sure if I'm missing the point or that you're missing the point, thus my humble reply

Either way, this is about the fact that good looking sites (which create a better user experience in general) often have a "much" worse CTR then good looking site. Imagine, when someone has nothing else to click then an Adsense ad, what are they going to do? Click the "Back" button or an Adsense click, while if they do find useful information they click the link to it (or read it right away) and then leave the site without clicking any ad as they found their answer and perhaps they might come back some day or not.

Highly optimized CTR themes are famous for generating more income and at the same time they are creating a bad user experience, and that's what the whole post was about and thus has nothing to do with the ability to create traffic or not if you ask me.

OP had a an amazingly good CTR btw and thus a very ugly site

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Mostly you make better posts so I'm not sure if I'm missing the point or that you're missing the point, thus my humble reply

Either way, this is about the fact that good looking sites (which create a better user experience in general) often have a "much" worse CTR then good looking site. Imagine, when someone has nothing else to click then an Adsense ad, what are they going to do? Click the "Back" button or an Adsense click, while if they do find useful information they click the link to it (or read it right away) and then leave the site without clicking any ad as they found their answer and perhaps they might come back some day or not.

Highly optimized CTR themes are famous for generating more income and at the same time they are creating a bad user experience, and that's what the whole post was about and thus has nothing to do with the ability to create traffic or not if you ask me.

OP had a an amazingly good CTR btw and thus a very ugly site

You missed the point.

Mikey has an issue with Google.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

So what your saying is, If you suck at generating traffic for Adsense , the rest of the world can't generate Adsense traffic/income (fail)?

Fail. Can you even read? lol I was talking about conversions ON traffic. Its a fact that many people claim their sites' CTR on their adsense sites improves the poorer their sites are (poor searchers having not found what they were looking for will click through an ad in the vain hope of finding something better). Thats yet another sign of how bad adsense is for newbs. Any model that puts you at odds with quality given where Google is going SUCKS.

I get the feeling Google banned someone's Adsense account, darn Google they don't know a quality site when they see one, lol.

You are full of "feelings" . You got the feeling that adsense was a great way for newbs to be making money thats why you push it soo much. Hows that working out for you? Or more appropriately how is that working out for them?

As always your feelings are wrong. Never had a site banned by adsense. Why would I? I learned long ago others things paid far better. Speaking of which broke into any banner ad sales yet? I think even you are seeing the light.

I know I know.

December is a great time for adsense site owners. They feel all the hard work is worth it - Google christmas party time. Its a time when everyone gets to pull together everything they made from adsense this year put $40 on it and buy a video game. ROFL. Keep trucking telling people they will one day do great with their adsense sites. Maybe sell some more PDfs again on how to hijack wikipedia for links posing as a legitimate editor since we are talking about jumping on the latests IM idea.

It won't help - Cause for every 100 people you convince to try adsense 99 if not a 100 will come back in a year and admit - Mike was right - Adsense as a business model SUCKS

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Fail. Can you even read? lol I was talking about conversions ON traffic. Its a fact that many people claim their sites' CTR on their adsense sites improves the poorer their sites are (poor searchers having not found what they were looking for will click through an ad in the vain hope of finding something better). Thats yet another sign of how bad adsense is for newbs. Any model that puts you at odds with quality given where Google is going SUCKS.

You are full of "feelings" . You got the feeling that adsense was a great way for newbs to be making money thats why you push it soo much. Hows that working out for you? Or more appropriately how is that working out for them?

As always your feelings are wrong. Never had a site banned by adsense. Why would I? I learned long ago others things paid far better. Speaking of which broke into any banner ad sales yet? I think even you are seeing the light.

I know I know.

December is a great time for adsense site owners. They feel all the hard work is worth it - Google christmas party time. Its a time when everyone gets to pull together everything they made from adsense this year put $40 on it and buy a video game. ROFL. Keep trucking telling people they will one day do great with their adsense sites. Maybe sell some more PDfs again on how to hijack wikipedia for links posing as a legitimate editor since we are talking about jumping on the latests IM idea.

It won't help - Cause for every 100 people you convince to try adsense 99 if not a 100 will come back in a year and admit - Mike was right - Adsense as a business model SUCKS

Ok, I see, you can't make money with Adsense. You still have the link thing to fall back on.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You missed the point.

Mikey has an issue with Google.

Yuke still upset that I question adsense as a good business model. lol When did you and Page get married? Was Cutts the best man? Anyway you are going to be upset for a long time on them here forums because its going to continue.

Originally Posted by yukon

Ok, I see, you can't make money with Adsense. You still have the link thing to fall back on.

The strange way the mind of an Adsense geek works. When do people ever fall back to the thing that makes more money.

. In your world gravity MAKES you fly right? Like Seinfeld's bizarro world.

So yeah then sure of course then I fall back to making money selling things and getting REAL money. I fall back to selling advertising where impressions alone make cash. I fall back to commissions in excess of 30% compared to pennies. I fall back to building a buyer's list where I can cross sell (what can you cross sell on an adsense visitor? - a gif -lol)

I just keep falling back and falling back into cash.

You keep climbing and telling people to climb that adsense until they reach

50 cents a day.......1.00 a day ...$12.00 per month oh man zen -$87 dollars a month. Nirvana...$180 a month. Now they can move out and get their own place and buy a house. They like the Jefferson's - They movin on up.

You should just quit trying to defend adsense at every turn Yuke. the sheer volume of people not making any real money with adsense is something you can't counter. Its like George W Bush JR seeking re-election (if he could) - hopeless. All you can do is complain that someone points out how much for most people it has sucked.

Face it - if adsense were a WSO it would show twenty negative reviews to every positive review and people would sign up for it less now than they do BMR.

Thats right no Typo less than BMR

ROFL

Doesn't matter If anyone here believes there's money in Adsense or not, I get payed just the same & have been for years. Working a service type job isn't my thing, that feels too much like work.

False choice. You can make passive income off of plenty thing that pays more than adsense. You are trying to frame this exclusively as a service business versus adsense which isn't really honest since we both know in our disagreements in regard to adsense it has never been service versus adsense. In case you haven't figured it out adsense is not the only passive income opportunity in town.

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Michael_Le Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I'm no Adsense/affiliate site expert either and I know these type of sites are tougher to rank these days as Google simply hates them

so google hates adsense and affiliate sites, who told you that then? is that gained from first hand experience or did you read that somewhere?
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- nik0 Banned 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Michael_Le
  
  so google hates adsense and affiliate sites, who told you that then? is that gained from first hand experience or did you read that somewhere?
  
  Every single update that took place the last months is tailored for adsense/affiliate sites. When you have more then x ads on your page your rankings drop (pure facts, I ranked quite some sites so I know what I'm talking about as if there is one thing that I hate then it's fluff talk).
  
  Sure there are affiliate sites that still do well, but mostly that are huge authority sites that are there for years.
  
  Maybe I should've been more specific: "Google hates crappy affiliate/adsense sites" so about every single wannabee IM guy's site qualifies for that
  
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engagedotscrm

12 years ago

I would just tell instead of spending much time on SEO, concentrate more on SMM... Which provides a wider platform to enhance the business.

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nik0 Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by engagedotscrm

I would just tell instead of spending much time on SEO, concentrate more on SMM... Which provides a wider platform to enhance the business.

The sites that he builds / keywords that he targets are not really suitable for social media traffic.
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12 years ago

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MarkWMS

12 years ago

I suggest you find out methods of doing SEO and try doing them yourself, in the method that you think is best for you. If you think you want to take professional help, then you should consult an SEO expert, who can direct and guide you, based on your needs. Then hopefully you will be able to figure out a way which will be beneficial to you.

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kapilochani

12 years ago

Thank you so much guys for some real eye openers. I appreciate each one of you for sparing your time and guiding me. I have always wanted to make quick money by tricking google's eyes and I guess thats the main reason why I am at this position now. I will, from now onwards, focus on the right methods of making money and creating valuable sites.

A lesson well learnt

Thanks once again. Appreciate it.

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affilorama-portal

12 years ago

Perhaps try to do things on your own this time. I know it may be hard at first but everything can be learned. Try to search for blogs, forums, and sites that teaches good SEO techniques. Once you've come up with several sites and you've started reading and learning SEO, you can come up with your own linkbuilding/SEO campaign.

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poppa5502

12 years ago

wow..i will say if a seo service can't rank you for a long keyword phrases then they are not doing seo at all..its time you do more research on who you are chossin

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TheFBGuy

12 years ago

Without Nik0 telling us, I knew right away that your sites were garbage OP... but i hope you learned your lesson as you say

Mike Anthony: okay, i usually give you thumbs up but... leave Adsense alone since you suck at it and/or don't do it, and that's ok :p ...

what's paying my bills/my income:

1: SEO services, social media, and web design to local businesses/individuals

2: Adsense. :p

Not the traditional IM stuff like product launches, WSOs, Email marketing, CPA or affiliate marketing.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Mike Anthony: okay, i usually give you thumbs up but... leave Adsense alone since you suck at it and/or don't do it, and that's ok :p ...

No shot at me leaving it alone. As a business model it sucks and I intend to tell people about it more and more. I mean I have made it clear if you have a site that has its own model and it has some free space and you want to put it in then thats great but for the passive income solution that its touted here for it sucks.

A) you get paid pennies when you could be getting more
B) Anybody getting a paycheck from one company doesn't really have their own business they control
C) You don't; ever build a customer list off adsense and repeat customers are the life bread of any and every real business.
D) you send your own traffic away to a business willing to pay magnitudes more than you get because THEY know how to make more money off your traffic than you do. Just the idea that another company is willing to pay Google $5-$50 JUST FOR A CLICK (NOT EVEN A SALE)in a niche would tell anyone that uses their brain that they are getting the short end of the stick.

None of those points can be refuted so the idea that the only reason someone would hate adsense is because they suck at it is just a childish retort (not saying you - you gave it as just one option).

what's paying my bills/my income:

1: SEO services, social media, and web design to local businesses/individuals

2: Adsense. :p

Aw shucks..

....I thought finally there was one other person that would stand up and say they were an Adsense millionaire but there you go putting SEO services, web design in there. I don't know if you would even admit it (only Paul has been honest enough to admit he gets paid more for straight up ads and links on his site than adnsese) but I would bet number one outstrips number 2 by far.

Most people who do adsense do it because they haven't or don't want to think about anything that requires too much planning now or the future . Adsense is there. Google pays out . put some ads on a website and you go. Problem is almost all business models that don't require you to put your noggin in it do what Adense does - sucks

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TheFBGuy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

No shot at me leaving it alone. As a business model it sucks and I intend to tell people about it more and more. I mean I have made it clear if you have a site that has its own model and it has some free space and you want to put it in then thats great but for the passive income solution that its touted here for it sucks.

A) you get paid pennies when you could be getting more
B) Anybody getting a paycheck from one company doesn't really have their own business they control
C) You don't; ever build a customer list off adsense and repeat customers are the life bread of any and every real business.
D) you send your own traffic away to a business willing to pay magnitudes more than you get because THEY know how to make more money off your traffic than you do. Just the idea that another company is willing to pay Google $5-$50 JUST FOR A CLICK (NOT EVEN A SALE)in a niche would tell anyone that uses their brain that they are getting the short end of the stick.

None of those points can be refuted so the idea that the only reason someone would hate adsense is because they suck at it is just a childish retort (not saying you - you gave it as just one option).

Aw shucks..

....I thought finally there was one other person that would stand up and say they were an Adsense millionaire but there you go putting SEO services, web design in there. I don't know if you would even admit it (only Paul has been honest enough to admit he gets paid more for straight up ads and links on his site than adnsese) but I would bet number one outstrips number 2 by far.

Most people who do adsense do it because they haven't or don't want to think about anything that requires too much planning now or the future . Adsense is there. Google pays out . put some ads on a website and you go. Problem is almost all business models that don't require you to put your noggin in it do what Adense does - sucks

Sighs... Mike, Mike.. Mike, don't make me use my belt on you sir.

Of course, absolutely, lol, I placed them in order.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Of course, absolutely, lol, I placed them in order.

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THE PROSECUTION RESTS!!!

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TheFBGuy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

THE PROSECUTION RESTS!!!

Lol.

But really Mike, one of these days I would like to show you some of my Adsense sites and stats, and you will see how it's done, and I am certain you would love a piece of the Google pie

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It's a TRUE passive income in every sense of the word.

Should it be a primary business? Heck no! If you have no control over your business, you do not have a business, that's business 101. But it's a great secondary or third or even fourth income stream. I don't know about you, but I love easy money, especially if you are good at it.

So we agree Mike, but what I am saying is you will love Adsense once I teach you. Just give it a try

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Lol.

But really Mike, one of these days I would like to show you some of my Adsense sites and stats, and you will see how it's done, and I am certain you would love a piece of the Google pie

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Sorry my man. Never will love it. I just would never get comfortable with the idea that I build no customer list, create no allegiance to my site and just act like an air traffic controller to the people really making the cash off the customer.

Thats why I say its great as something you add on to an existing site with a model to do all that. As an add on to a site that has more business models working - sure - but like I have said before as THE model to make money by itself - It SUCKS

and building sites for adsense as 90+% here do its SUCKS all day long and night too.

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yukon

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Lol.

But really Mike, one of these days I would like to show you some of my Adsense sites and stats, and you will see how it's done, and I am certain you would love a piece of the Google pie

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It's a TRUE passive income in every sense of the word.

Should it be a primary business? Heck no! If you have no control over your business, you do not have a business, that's business 101. But it's a great secondary or third or even fourth income stream. I don't know about you, but I love easy money, especially if you are good at it.

So we agree Mike, but what I am saying is you will love Adsense once I teach you. Just give it a try

You already know this, don't ever show your money making site, especially on an IM site. You'll have 7 scraped versions of your site by lunch time.

It's a TRUE passive income in every sense of the word.

Exactly this!

For me it's all about the passive income, making money 24/7/365 from work I did 5-6 years ago.

Doesn't matter If anyone here believes there's money in Adsense or not, I get payed just the same & have been for years. Working a service type job isn't my thing, that feels too much like work.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Lol.

But really Mike, one of these days I would like to show you some of my Adsense sites and stats, and you will see how it's done, and I am certain you would love a piece of the Google pie

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It's a TRUE passive income in every sense of the word.

Should it be a primary business? Heck no! If you have no control over your business, you do not have a business, that's business 101. But it's a great secondary or third or even fourth income stream. I don't know about you, but I love easy money, especially if you are good at it.

So we agree Mike, but what I am saying is you will love Adsense once I teach you. Just give it a try

I'm not Mike, but you could teach ME. I know that Adsense works because I've got a small balance (around $44). And I know it should not be your only income stream, that would be dumb. Many streams create the sea. That sea is your bank account.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

I'm not Mike, but you could teach ME. I know that Adsense works because I've got a small balance (around $44). And I know it should not be your only income stream, that would be dumb. Many streams create the sea. That sea is your bank account.

A member for many years, 2000+ posts and doesn't know the concept of good quality and good links.

SHOOT ME

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

I'm not Mike, but you could teach ME. I know that Adsense works because I've got a small balance (around $44). .

Like I have said. Christmas is a good time for adsense people they can put $40 on their adsense earnings for the year and buy a video game. So yeah adsense works baby! It works. Shoot if you buy a used game you could squeak out two video games. Living the dream. Hoop and holla.

and yo nik lay of the booze and barbecue chicken man. Thanksgiving aint your holiday. its a yank thing. its hard to keep your story straight when you are tipsy.

You told me in another thread you were already in thailand

Originally Posted by nik0

What is there to re-learn about SEO?

He wasn't talking about you my man. You are cool. You can't relearn what you haven't learnt yet. Cross that road when you get to it. lol

okay I guess I better lay off the booze too....hiccup

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

and yo nik lay of the booze and barbecue chicken man. Thanksgiving aint your holiday. its a yank thing. its hard to keep your story straight when you are tipsy.

You told me in another thread you were already in thailand

He wasn't talking about you my man. You are cool. You can't relearn what you haven't learnt yet. Cross that road when you get to it. lol

okay I guess I better lay off the booze too....hiccup

Barbecue chicken, we got better stuff here man, a whole pig at the bbq

But actually I prefer sea food, those prawns are too good.

You sure are a little hiccup as I haven't mentioned that I'm in Thailand yet, I said I applied for my visa that I picked up today and planned to move tomorrow, HOWEVER, plans changed, the cheap ticket was sold out so instead it would cost me 200 euro extra so I thought what the ****, for that 200 euro I can just as well go to Egypt first to see some pyramids and ride a camel or something.

So that's the plan, tomorrow or sunday I book a plane to Egypt, chill there a few days, then move on to Dubai, Abu Dhabi or Bahrain, depends what they fly at. Then from there I fly directly at Thailand or I'll visit India or Nepal in between, no idea yet, I like short flights so I just book it on the spot without planning a thing, I just go there where my impulses take me.

Heck, saving 200 euro on a direct flight and instead probably going to spend 1k+ on visiting countries on the way to there, why not Sir., see something of the world while we are busy, why not!

If people think this stuff is hell expensive, think again, when I do some math I spend around 2500-3000 euro/month with this travelling, don't forget I am single which pushes the costs down quite a bit.

Btw if anyone wants to check out some photo's from my tour so far visit http://dennis1976.wordpress.com , no need to spam, it's just a PR0 blog.

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Boricua

12 years ago

1. The SEO services which are not expensive and promise a lot of things, don't work at all for a lot of their clients. They are just money snatchers.

2. The SEO services which are in the range of $50 to $100 one time, work for some clients and some of their sites but not all of them. They didn't work for any of my sites.

1) You always get what you pay for? Perhaps not, but for #1 in my exprience it's about competence and integrity. I've seen $25 offers for page 1 rankings recently on eBay and other traffic places, not even a single proof. Nothing! I mean, $25 USD for a #1 ranking...doesn't matter! I wonder what does links might be. Some of those page 1 service have returned to me in previous months..I often end up fixing the $%$$% work they did and ends up costing $100's often $1,000+ (which I guess is good in a way

. Cheap short term thinking..always a matter of time for issues to arise in most of these cases.

2) There's a popular $100 or so ranking service here on the forum for one page ranking, a competitor (at least for a few days/weeks on my end

good stuff...but yesterday 1 of my latest/new clients told me he's using his services also...in the end! I really wonder how many more clients are in the same boat with other guaranteed page one ranking services here. Thing is, why seat and wait for page one ranking from one seo linking supplier when you can also do white-hat SEO yourself or with another SEO supplier and speed up the ranking process? As long as it's white hat, it can't and it indeed shouldn't affect.

So yes, one page ranking services might be good, but my suggestion is to never seat our bum bum and wait. Continue doing more linking slowly on your end or hire someone.

3. The SEO services which charge monthly and which have great reviews have not worked for my sites. Not even a single seo service has worked for any of my sites.

Most of my sites have medium competition keywords. My keywords are 4-5 words each and still the services are not able to rank my sites. I have been spending a lot of money on the seo services now but they have all failed.

Can anyone help please.

3) What services have you used?

I mean medium competitor keywords?! Some of us wish we could get more of these. If you've done good amount of research you've definitely had bad luck and bad timing in your urging need for good SEO assistance here. Can't think of anything else mate.

Simple, shoot me an email and let me see your site. I'll check the linking history and check your on-page SEO post penguin. Something is wrong if you've used quite a few services and none have worked. And don't hesitate, its free but I am obviously in for the possibility of future business as you see.

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Paul Gram

12 years ago

The Warrior Forum is GREAT for many things but SEO services is NOT one of them. If you really need a good and reputable SEO, you should start by checking out Seomoz as an example.

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Ben Acharyaa

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Gram

The Warrior Forum is GREAT for many things but SEO services is NOT one of them. If you really need a good and reputable SEO, you should start by checking out Seomoz as an example.

only if i had a truckload of money. lol you do know how much the guys in SEOmoz would ask right?

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most people who do adsense do it because they haven't or don't want to think about anything that requires too much planning now or the future . Adsense is there. Google pays out . put some ads on a website and you go. Problem is almost all business models that don't require you to put your noggin in it do what Adense does - sucks

i got into adsense becoz a friend of mine told me "hey there's this cool thing going on. they pay for creating a blog and copying content from others" lol i forgot the exact wordings but it sure sounded similar to this. adsense has always been and will always be the "earn quick money and forget about it" kinda thing(not for all though). most of the sites running adsense (not all) look hideous. they SUCK!!!. what makes it worse? thin mfa sites, fiverr backlinks, poorly written content and much more. they fail to deliver the information users are looking for. and yet they wonder why google kicked them to the curb!! lol

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12 years ago

There are lots of people offering SEO services, i tried 2 times and was cheated 2 times, finally i decide to do the works by myself.

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12 years ago

Have you had your sites analysed? Maybe there are hosting or structural issues? Are all the sites on the same IP address? Have you tried moving hosting?

Believe it or not you can be penalised for being on a flagged IP address. It make be flagged because that address was the source of spam by acting as a proxy server for software like Scrapebox.

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paulgl

12 years ago

I gotta agree with Mike on one thing, even if not 100%. If you
set out to create a site, any site, only for adsense' sake, you are barking up
the wrong tree. What I mean is this. You start the day thinking,
hmmmmmm, what keyword or phrase can I toss something together,
shmooze google, then make a boat load on adsense? So you go to
some place that will spit out some pie in the sky keyword. No matter
that yesterday you couldn't even spell mesothelioma, heard about
it, let alone even know anything about it. But gosh darn it! It's
a high paying keyword so, here we go! You're going to buy an EMD,
install WP, get an idiotic CTR theme, toss some unique trash of
articles, and sit back and watch the cash roll in!

I think even Yukon would agree with my overall meaning.

I think, however, adsense is one of the easiest ways of making
money online. Bar none. But that doesn't mean I think everyone
should start adsense.

Google needs to give IQ tests to prospective participants, and,
I would LOVE it if they approved each site individually. That would
sure thin the herd. Oh yeah. And ban every 3rd world country, and
many 2nd world.

For the record, I think CB's model is even worse.

Best thing is selling your own product or yourself.

Paul

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Paul I am in complete agreement with your post. Thing is the fact that it is the easiest though IS linked to it sucking. Barriers to entry makes people step up their game and think. trying to sell adsense as the way to riches without any real work is part of the whole IM thing. Its incongruent that people blast WSOs and then run around on this forum pushing the easiest way to make money that in fact makes very few people money

Its hypocritical and they should apologize to any WSO seller they have ever criticized.

But if I may follow your analysis that people should not build sites for adsense - doesn't that naturally imply that they should build it for something else in a way that even if they never use adsense they can still make it a success? In that case thats exactly what I have said (in my thread about adsesne that had Yukon throwing tantrums - cause he considers himelf the adsense guru and does not want it questioned at all?). Theres nothing wrong with putting some adsense on your site but that should not be its business model. As a business model by itself it sucks.

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TheFBGuy

12 years ago

yukon: agreed, I was speaking to Mike specifically in my attempt to make him love Adsense... i don't think he will scrape me, or maybe... hmmm, lol

but as far as scraping goes, not concerned about that these days. Google knows I am the original "author"

Mike: i see, but it pains my heart to know that you have no idea what a true passive income feels like, and that's very unfortunate Mike. It pains me deeply, and for this sole reason, one of these days I will make you love Adsense.

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Plus remember Mike, you can flip your Adsense site for HUGE paydays.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

Mike: i see, but it pains my heart to know that you have no idea what a true passive income feels like, and that's very unfortunate Mike. It pains me deeply, and for this sole reason, one of these days I will make you love Adsense.

FB I would never like to see your heart in such pain but its for no reason. I know exactly what passive income is. Although I got to admit you all sound like a bunch of old ladies wanting everything to be passive. Where should I send the rocking chairs I got you and Yuke for Christmas - WF Marketers Retirement Home?

Thing about it is that one of my passive income makers is steering you right in the face in my sig. I last did a video in March for my SEO network training class (will add a few more this month). I don't have to do a thing for those sales since and its $147 a sale minimum. Most of the series was done last year (because only a few things have changed). So take your adsense passive dollar bills for the month and go smoke it

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Passive income sucks, what you gonna do? Playing poker drunk and donking money away also gets boring after a month. Glad I leave to Thailand in 2 days, then I can replace the poker with sex. Cyprus girls are not that attractive. :p Thai neither actually but got to do something with my time

Hmm perhaps I have to start building Adsense sites as well, just to kill time, it's so easy, just throw up a few dozen articles, some high PR links, a nice silo structure and flip them for a few K once they make $100-200/month. Just to make this post a bit useful, make sure you take care of GOOD articles that help your visitors, otherwise it's still a waste of resources. Cheap is often more expensive in the long run. What, you have no money for that (pointed to the noob) then go work your ass of to make the money first and then invest. That's how you run a business, no matter if Adsense is considered a business or not, got to do it the smart way. Quality = KING.

Heck, even more passive income, such a struggle to spend it all

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TheFBGuy

12 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Passive income sucks, what you gonna do? Playing poker drunk and donking money away also gets boring after a month. Glad I leave to Thailand in 2 days, then I can replace the poker with sex. Cyprus girls are not that attractive. :p Thai neither actually but got to do something with my time

Hmm perhaps I have to start building Adsense sites as well, just to kill time, it's so easy, just throw up a few dozen articles, some high PR links, a nice silo structure and flip them for a few K once they make $100-200/month. Just to make this post a bit useful, make sure you take care of GOOD articles that help your visitors, otherwise it's still a waste of resources. Cheap is often more expensive in the long run.

Heck, even more passive income, such a struggle to spend it all

That's what some people build adsense sites for... to flip them for thousands once they reach that point. So join us.

Oh, and I love Thailand, so have fun... just be weary of ladyboys, lol

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by TheFBGuy

That's what some people build adsense sites for... to flip them for thousands once they reach that point. So join us.

Oh, and I love Thailand, so have fun... just be weary of ladyboys, lol

Yeah why not, got the network, got a good writer, sales dropped a bit cause everyone got penalized during these updates and are scared to do it correctly. Many people are afraid of success you know.

Luckily the most ladyboys you recognize from miles away so that shouldn't be a problem and even if well have to try everything once in your life right

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12 years ago

With Panda and Penguin, SEO has changed quite a bit. I myself am re-learning SEO for the ground up, and although I know quite a few things, getting good rankings is still not so straight forward anymore, and whatever SEO service, they will indeed try to get you up there just to keep you as a client. Its in their best interest,but cannot guarantee high rankings anymore.

PM me if you need a competitive quote from me, and I'll do my very best with the knowledge I have, but like I said, no guarantees.

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nik0

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by alcymart

With Panda and Penguin, SEO has changed quite a bit. I myself am re-learning SEO for the ground up, and although I know quite a few things, getting good rankings is still not so straight forward anymore, and whatever SEO service, they will indeed try to get you up there just to keep you as a client. Its in their best interest,but cannot guarantee high rankings anymore.

PM me if you need a quote from me, and I'll do my very best with the knowledge I have, but like I said, no guarantees.

Bernard

What is there to re-learn about SEO?

It still works the same as always, you just got to be a little more careful with exact anchor txt's and the crappy links never worked well so...

The only large change that link builders have no influence on is how well the site is optimized and the quality of the site, thus the no guarantees that I do agree with. For site A I build X amount of links and they rank awesome, for site B I build the exact same links and it ranks nowhere.

So where is the problem? In the links or in the site, 1+1 =2.

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12 years ago

What you have to do in SEO now is to avoid what you were doing in past in black hat methods.. you have to work on content mainly, you have to build authority and slow links, it would work fine.

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cypherslock

12 years ago

Remind me never to post here again. Say one little thing, get jumped on. Nik0, keep comments like that to yourself. I do happen to know quality when I see it AND have this funny little belief that we can all learn something new everyday. When did WF become all elitest?

Mike, you don't like it, I get it. Like I said it wouldn't be the main income stream, but it's there so why not make use of it. It hasn't grown because I've been doing other things.

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Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

Remind me never to post here again. Say one little thing, get jumped on. Nik0, keep comments like that to yourself. I do happen to know quality when I see it AND have this funny little belief that we can all learn something new everyday. When did WF become all elitest?

Mike, you don't like it, I get it. Like I said it wouldn't be the main income stream, but it's there so why not make use of it. It hasn't grown because I've been doing other things.

Does that you mean you call me an elitest? A big smile is shaping my face

You just need to find a writer that knows what quality is, and then when you've tested a few you say you know how to recognize it so continue with him/her.

Many people like to make simple things complicated.

5-page sites with 300-500 word articles are out
20+ page sites with 1000+ word articles are IN

And that's why you need a good writer, I couldn't fill 20 pages about the same topic, but others can, so find them and utilize them, as that's what Google wants, in depth information about boring topics without repeating the same thing over and over, and that's one hell of a skill, and thus hard to find.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by cypherslock

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Mike, you don't like it, I get it. Like I said it wouldn't be the main income stream, but it's there so why not make use of it. It hasn't grown because I've been doing other things.

I dunno about what nik said but I didn't jump on you. I made a joke about what most people make with adsense. Relax, breath. You took that way too personally. Yeah I don't like it and people will have to live with it because theres nothing wrong with me saying I don't like it especially since its a fact beyond any shadow of a doubt that it works for so few people and pays pennies on the dollar. Its a mess.

Plus sorry given that history with other people you don't know that if you had less things doing it would have grown to any appreciable level and now this you might call jumping on you but seriously its a legitimate question - how can you make a statement that it works based on making $44? What business plan has proven that it works based on $44?