Why is the Warrior Forum's Page Rank only 5?

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Hi Warriors!
I just wanted to ask something that I've been wondering about from time to time.

I notice that this Forum's (warriorforum.com) Page Rank is only "5", which seems odd to me, because it has so much Authority, Traffic, Backlinks, etc...

Now, I know that lots of people may say as usual: "Page Rank means nothing", but I still find it odd that such a Popular site has such an Average Page Rank.

This Forum is ranked #146 in Alexa Traffic Rank.
Most sites with the traffic levels of this Forum have PR's of 7-8, I think.

I have a PR5 website, and it's Traffic is nowhere in the League of WF.

Does anyone have any clue about why this is so?
Just curious.

Also what Level of Page Rank do your sites usually carry?
Isn't PR5 quite Normal/Average? (When No Tricky PR-Boost Hack is used)

-Andrew
#forum #page #rank #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    PR 5 is not really a low or average PR. I bet someone else has the statistics, but I would bet that about 95% of the webpages in existence are a PR 2 or below.

    Also, traffic and Alexa rankings have nothing to do with PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterjani
    There are lot of outbound links are going out from warriorforum either through ads or through signatures, that might be the reason.

    PR5 is really worth as well, you can post more content to change that one as an authority site, so that the links from those sites are more powerful
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
      Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

      There are lot of outbound links are going out from warriorforum either through ads or through signatures, that might be the reason.
      Very good theory. Makes sense.
      I didn't think about the Outbound links.

      It's true, WF sends out Loads of Do-Follow Backlinks, like in all of our Linked Signatures.

      That could be a reason for it's lower PR.
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    • Profile picture of the author Suir1980
      Originally Posted by masterjani View Post

      There are lot of outbound links are going out from warriorforum either through ads or through signatures, that might be the reason.
      Reddit has more outbound links than this forum will ever have and yet it's PR8. The reason why WF is only PR5 is because the highest dofollow backlink it has is a PR6.
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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        Pagerank is exponential like the earthquake system. a magnitude 5 is ten time a magnitude 4. Pagerank is measured similarly. But it is all of the outbound links as everyone pointed out.

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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
    @Mike:
    Thanks for your reply. You could be right.

    I don't doubt this:
    95% of the webpages in existence are a PR 2 or below
    Maybe more like 99.9%, if you are talking about "webpages", since the internet is filled with loads of junk all over the place.

    95% of Domains, yeah possibly even more than that, are below PR2; Millions and Millions of Junk Domains out there also.

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    Also, traffic and Alexa rankings have nothing to do with PR.
    Yup I know how Alexa work, but I think it's safe to say that WarriorForum is in the Top 500 Sites in terms of Traffic Globally, Alexa or not.

    Alexa will favor this site a little more, since it's a "Webmaster" site.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      Yup I know how Alexa work, but I think it's safe to say that WarriorForum is in the Top 500 Sites in terms of Traffic Globally, Alexa or not.

      Alexa will favor this site a little more, since it's a "Webmaster" site.

      It could be the #1 site in terms of traffic. That makes no difference. Traffic does not impact PR. The ONLY thing that impacts PR is incoming backlinks.

      Traffic, content, etc. have nothing to do with PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andrew Davis
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It could be the #1 site in terms of traffic. That makes no difference. Traffic does not impact PR. The ONLY thing that impacts PR is incoming backlinks.

        Traffic, content, etc. have nothing to do with PR.
        I understand you. You're correct.

        I was referring to it's overall popularity, which should imply that thousands of sites are linking to Warrior Forum, raising it's Authority and PR.

        More Popular = More people link to your site
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by Andrew Davis View Post

      95% of Domains, yeah possibly even more than that, are below PR2; Millions and Millions of Junk Domains out there also.
      Domains do not have PR. Web pages do. The index page of the "domain" is what
      has PR, not the domain.

      Outbound links now affect PR. If you are "selling" links on a high PR page,
      for PR, your PR could get lowered. Or if they think you are buying them.

      The WF is a solid PR5. I am only assuming that the flood of links, even though
      not sold, are still placed here for any spare PR. That could be a factor in
      the PR of the WF.

      But the authority is without question. Hence the threads routinely show
      in in SERPs for just about anything. Ditto wikipedia. Wikipedia has
      many PR n/a pages, but the authority and google love is beyond reproach.

      I would imagine there are many PR5 sites that are junk, and would not
      show up in SERPs even if their webmaster's life depended on it.

      Playboy.com is PR6. What does that mean in relation to the WF?
      Nothing.

      But of course their are always those who can't help but chime in about
      PR not meaning anything. Fat chance. PR means quite a bit, but there
      is more to being found high in SERPs. Anyone who keeps saying PR
      means nothing is just showing they know nothing.

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      • Profile picture of the author RyanEagle
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Domains do not have PR. Web pages do. The index page of the "domain" is what
        has PR, not the domain.

        Outbound links now affect PR. If you are "selling" links on a high PR page,
        for PR, your PR could get lowered. Or if they think you are buying them.

        The WF is a solid PR5. I am only assuming that the flood of links, even though
        not sold, are still placed here for any spare PR. That could be a factor in
        the PR of the WF.

        But the authority is without question. Hence the threads routinely show
        in in SERPs for just about anything. Ditto wikipedia. Wikipedia has
        many PR n/a pages, but the authority and google love is beyond reproach.

        I would imagine there are many PR5 sites that are junk, and would not
        show up in SERPs even if their webmaster's life depended on it.

        Playboy.com is PR6. What does that mean in relation to the WF?
        Nothing.

        But of course their are always those who can't help but chime in about
        PR not meaning anything. Fat chance. PR means quite a bit, but there
        is more to being found high in SERPs. Anyone who keeps saying PR
        means nothing is just showing they know nothing.

        Paul
        Well put. When you really think about it, PR doesn't quite matter as much as you might think.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    This url has about 1000 root linking domains from an old version of the site: http://www.warriorforum.com/forum/

    It should probably 301 redirect to the new homepage.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    WF leak lots of juice out all the OBLs. If they button those up the PR would increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vivers
    Obviously from all the OBL. Super high traffic for sure
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  • Profile picture of the author Wendell
    I think a PR5 is a reflection of the Warrior Forum's generosity in allowing so many outbound links. Many forums don't allow any at all from its posters.

    So as the old saying goes: "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    PR goes up exponentially.

    At the end of the day this place isn't a particularly large or popular site. Not when you compare it to somewhere like 4chan.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxisxjay
    PR5 is already high, so I guess WF is just doing fine. I think the average PR is 3.
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  • Actually PR 5 is not a lowest page rank. This is an good and standard website PR only.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilsonbar
    also the warriorforum site age matters , this site registered in 2001-04-18 it takes time to get the more high PR ....
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by wilsonbar View Post

      also the warriorforum site age matters , this site registered in 2001-04-18 it takes time to get the more high PR ....
      Site age has NOTHING to do with PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin80ss
    I think WF owners worried more about quality of major links than their quantity.
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    You don't want to put too much emphasis in Alexa. It's not on a wide scale. It only has to do with those that have downloaded the Alexa toolbar. You really can't put too much weight on Alexa.

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  • Profile picture of the author jfambrini
    I believe Warrior Forum used to have a higher Pagerank two or so years ago if I'm not mistaken. It may not have high PR but it does have a lot of authority as a lot of its discussion show up on first and second page of Google within a day or two of their posting here.

    Its generosity with links is much appreciated but it also has an inverse effect of their worth. A link on one of the forums which are very stingy with their links can propel your site in SERPs while links on this forum do very little to lift the fortune of a site.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    For a site this large, I am showing only about 3600 domains pointing to this site. It shows you that Warrior does VERY LITTLE Link Building. It is almost all natural. They get lots of traffic because of all the content. This is just further evidence that link building tools are not the way to go.
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