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Tiered Link Building

by seamy82
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Hi,

I've been running tests on low competition keywords and I have noticed a certain practice that is having a negative affect on my rankings. If you build links from articles and web2.0s, Google will improve your ranking. But if you build tier 2 links to these web2.0s from other web2.0s before the tier 1 links have matured, your rankings will suffer. This is much easier to see when looking at non-competitive keywords as you can see the effects of link building on a granular scale. Anyone else encountered anything like this?

Cheers.
Seamy
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    For low competition keywords, I generally do not use tiered link building techniques. And still those keywords rank well.

    But for competitive keywords I use 2-tier link building, till date it is working for my sites. It is also important not too use spammy backlinks even on second tier.

    What are you using on 2 tier currently?
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    • Profile picture of the author seamy82
      I'm currently using private blog sites, web2.0s, article backlinks and press releases for tier 1 and web2.0s, articles and manual blog comments for 2 and I've no tier 3
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    Using private blogs is good as long as Google does not get the footprints. So I would advise you to use them with utmost caution. Also keep your private blog network very small and accessible to limited number of people.
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      It is very small and it is only used by me. I need a better strategy for web2.0 use though, as there is great potential there build something powerful that only costs me time.
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    In general I prefer tiered link building for high competition keyword in case of low competition keyword in web 2.0 sites, blog posts, article directories and things like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
    Tiered Link building is a waste of time now.

    Stick to quality high page rank backlinks and you will dominate the rankings my friends.
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    • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
      Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

      Tiered Link building is a waste of time now.

      Stick to quality high page rank backlinks and you will dominate the rankings my friends.
      Your evidence is based on? I'm crushing it with tiers.
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      • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
        Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

        Your evidence is based on? I'm crushing it with tiers.
        They are an easy target for Google.

        My High Page backlink method has been good since 2002 and still kicks butt.
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        • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
          Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

          They are an easy target for Google.

          My High Page backlink method has been good since 2002 and still kicks butt.
          Its not an either or question. They can both work. They arent an easy target because i have hundreds of page 1 rankings based on my tiered links. Your naive for dismissing them, or you are just trying to sell your own product. Either way it doesnt matter, because i will continue to rank and you can continue to think they dont work
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          • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
            Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

            Its not an either or question. They can both work. They arent an easy target because i have hundreds of page 1 rankings based on my tiered links. Your naive for dismissing them, or you are just trying to sell your own product. Either way it doesnt matter, because i will continue to rank and you can continue to think they dont work
            Sell? I don't even offer link building services publicly anymore (too busy getting rankings for my clients).

            Either way. I still believe quality vs quantity will always be the best. Tiered backlink building can work but I wouldn't be surprised if Google targets it next. Since its so EASY to do these days.
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            • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
              Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

              Sell? I don't even offer link building services publicly anymore (too busy getting rankings for my clients).

              Either way. I still believe quality vs quantity will always be the best. Tiered backlink building can work but I wouldn't be surprised if Google targets it next. Since its so EASY to do these days.
              I get all the links. Admitedly i wouldnt do it with clients since there is some risk involved.

              That being said, if you get HQ links and i get HQ and LQ links and everything inbetween, i will win. I do win

              Again, theres not just one way to win at this game. Neither of us is really wrong and you may be right about your assumptions. There is a big gap between what Google says they are doing and what they are actually doing though. Theres a lot of propaganda going about.
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              • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
                Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

                I get all the links. Admitedly i wouldnt do it with clients since there is some risk involved.

                That being said, if you get HQ links and i get HQ and LQ links and everything inbetween, i will win. I do win

                Again, theres not just one way to win at this game. Neither of us is really wrong and you may be right about your assumptions. There is a big gap between what Google says they are doing and what they are actually doing though. Theres a lot of propaganda going about.
                I can agree to disagree.

                However for the OP's sake.

                When building backlinks, does Low Quality sound as good as High Quality?

                Not only that, but the simple fact you wouldn't do it to a clients site.... That kinda says you don't fully believe in it.

                I would do High Page Rank links to any clients site. Its 100% relevant and works and I am more then confident in it. That has to mean something....

                If your getting results with tiers (more power to you). However $$$$ cost wise. I am breaking below my tier expenses and getting better faster results (3-7 days and I see ranking improvements). That alone is enough to sell me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Originally Posted by seamy82 View Post

    Hi,

    I've been running tests on low competition keywords and I have noticed a certain practice that is having a negative affect on my rankings. If you build links from articles and web2.0s, Google will improve your ranking. But if you build tier 2 links to these web2.0s from other web2.0s before the tier 1 links have matured, your rankings will suffer. This is much easier to see when looking at non-competitive keywords as you can see the effects of link building on a granular scale. Anyone else encountered anything like this?

    Cheers.
    Seamy
    I dont want to say that you are wrong, but i think you are wrong.

    I always have benefited from getting links through tiers no matter what the site.

    Tier 2 (crappy links) > Tier 1 (Less crappy links) > Money Site.

    This is the simple formula i have been using for 2 years now, despite several people saying it is not effective and i am making bank. Especially with web 2.0's being my tier 1 (Which i actually rank for keywords, instead of using just as link fodder).

    Hope that helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Why does tiered linking have to be only be low quality. It's not an either or thing.

    Tiered linking works just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChadRichards
    Originally Posted by seamy82 View Post

    Hi,

    I've been running tests on low competition keywords and I have noticed a certain practice that is having a negative affect on my rankings. If you build links from articles and web2.0s, Google will improve your ranking. But if you build tier 2 links to these web2.0s from other web2.0s before the tier 1 links have matured, your rankings will suffer. This is much easier to see when looking at non-competitive keywords as you can see the effects of link building on a granular scale. Anyone else encountered anything like this?

    Cheers.
    Seamy
    How long do these "negative effects" last? You might just be experiencing a "google dance."

    I'd stay away from 2.0's anyway. Everyone and their grandmothers are using them these days. It's only a matter of time before they get slapped.
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  • Profile picture of the author seamy82
    Why would web2.0s get slapped? From a non-backlinking perspective, more and more people are using web2.0s to get their content, views or whatever out there on the web, as opposed to having their own paid for hosted web blogs. For every 1 web2.0 used for backlinking purposes, I'd say there are 100 used legitimately or maybe more. They may slap thin web2.0s but I'm not sure they get much credit as it is. If you say stay away from web2.0s, what alternative is there. The vast majority of people do not have the resources to use private blog networks on the lower tiers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ettienne
      Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

      Tiered Link building is a waste of time now.

      Stick to quality high page rank backlinks and you will dominate the rankings my friends.
      Yeah sure, if you're building crappy tiered links and don't have a clue what you're doing.

      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

      Your evidence is based on? I'm crushing it with tiers.
      So are thousands of others.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Why does tiered linking have to be only be low quality. It's not an either or thing.

      Tiered linking works just fine.
      Exactly.
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