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Link Relevancy- Does it matter ????

by thatdude123
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Just got into a Huge argument with an Seo company. This guy was telling me that a link from a hardware store with a PR 4 is worth as much as a Link from a blog or site in my niche which is weddings.

I told him I don't believe that... He insisted I was an idiot.

So who's right ?? Am I the idiot or him ??
#link #matter #relevancy
  • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
    There are a lot of "it depends" in that argument. You'd need to compare the overall authority of the two pages you'd potentially be getting a link from before that's a fair discussion to have. PR in general is overrated and not a strong indicator of authority by itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by guypeleides View Post

      There are a lot of "it depends" in that argument. You'd need to compare the overall authority of the two pages you'd potentially be getting a link from before that's a fair discussion to have. PR in general is overrated and not a strong indicator of authority by itself.
      I agree.

      However, relevancy is becoming more and more important....and PR less so.

      He's probably the idiot.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Yes relevancy matters, Google has clearly pointed out that relevancy is important. I'll see If I can find the link/info.

    Besides, relevancy is the easiest way to get double/triple SERP listings per keyword.

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    I can't find the link, it's a post where Matt C. or Googles own search blog had a screenshot of irrelevant anchor-text/links on an article.
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    • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Yes relevancy matters, Google has clearly pointed out that relevancy is important. I'll see If I can find the link/info.

      Besides, relevancy is the easiest way to get double/triple SERP listings per keyword.

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      I can't find the link, it's a post where Matt C. or Googles own search blog had a screenshot of irrelevant anchor-text/links on an article.
      I agree bro I had just seen a video with Matt cutts saying it matters!!
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  • Profile picture of the author strategic seo services
    If the site in your niche also has a PR of 4, then that site trumps the hardware store site. However, if the site in your niche is relatively new, has few backlinks, and a PR less than 2, then the SEO guy is right. It depends on the circumstances...
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  • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
    It's my fault I didn't explain fully. His argument was that both a hardware store and a site revelant to mine has the Same PR. It would make no difference. He has a link from ANY site PR 4 would have as much weight. That link relevancy is the biggest myth in Seo !!! I tried to hold back from telling I think YOUR WRONG !! But I let him finish his all knowing and all powerful Seo speech.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      If you are talking PR, all things equal, yes, it will have the same
      PR link.

      But PR is only half the story, as is relevance. People put way
      too much emphasis on both.

      You need to look at the overall picture. Not just PR. Not just
      relevancy.

      You think Joe Shmuck's no-name blog on blue widgets with
      a link to another site on blue widgets is going to be better
      than a high authority, PR, site's link on horses? You're barking
      up the wrong tree.

      Google chooses to value all links differently, using a variety
      of things.

      The most valuable link is on a page from a website that has PR
      and authority. It's in a relevant article, high up on the page.

      You cannot point to one piece and say that does or does not
      make it better.

      People mistake niche and relevancy to mean other things than
      what it is. What is amazon's niche? Wikipedia? What is the
      relevancy on NYT? Ebay? Craigslist?

      Joe Shmuck's site on horses, and nothing but horses, is not worth
      shinola compared to an article about horses on NYT. Even if that
      article on NYT had PR n/a and zero backlinks.

      So, in different scenarios, a link on a PR4 hardware store would be
      worth more than a link on a wedding site that had zip PR or authority.

      Of course I notice that you couldn't help but spam a link, so I assume
      you even think a link on WF, out of your niche, is golden.

      It is. Meaning you probably already knew the answer, but wanted a link.

      Touche!

      Paul

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      • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
        If u read my inital statement is was a question? Was he right or me .. I don't claim to know ALOT about Seo by any means!! Just what google and Seo mix puts out there. And I wasn't trying to Spam a link. I was showing my site about weddings to gain feedback.
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    • Profile picture of the author strategic seo services
      Originally Posted by thatdude123 View Post

      It's my fault I didn't explain fully. His argument was that both a hardware store and a site revelant to mine has the Same PR. It would make no difference. He has a link from ANY site PR 4 would have as much weight. That link relevancy is the biggest myth in Seo !!! I tried to hold back from telling I think YOUR WRONG !! But I let him finish his all knowing and all powerful Seo speech.
      Given this additional information, he is wrong. Site relevancy is an important contributing factor.
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  • Profile picture of the author frankierusso3
    The page on which your link is present should have relevant content. The site as a whole need not be relevant.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by frankierusso3 View Post

      The page on which your link is present should have relevant content. The site as a whole need not be relevant.
      Key point. I have people wanting relevant domains all the time and in many cases its not an issue (it is in certain niches due to the nature of the niche). Relevancy is based primarily on content of the page not what the domain is or the subject of the entire site.

      Even if Google categorizes websites WebMD can still refer or link to a hardware store (there are things in a hardware store that help health) wedding supplier (doctors get married, blood pressure goes up with anxiety) and toys (some can be hazardous ot health).
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      • Profile picture of the author ram930krishna
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Key point. I have people wanting relevant domains all the time and in many cases its not an issue (it is in certain niches due to the nature of the niche). Relevancy is based primarily on content of the page not what the domain is or the subject of the entire site.

        Even if Google categorizes websites WebMD can still refer or link to a hardware store (there are things in a hardware store that help health) wedding supplier (doctors get married, blood pressure goes up with anxiety) and toys (some can be hazardous ot health).
        True..
        It only means that one got to stay away from blogroll links and blog comments since getting relevant comment pages is very difficult.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    The real question in my mind is "how relative is the word *relevance*"?

    Or, "how does google measure relevance?"

    Something I found interesting, was an accidental ranking I achieved on one of my sites. I had no idea what I was doing at the time. Over the course of about 8 months, I had posted so many threads on marketing forums, asking so many questions about the site, that eventually it hit the top position of page 2. I had also made some blog comments too, as an experiment, but NONE of the blogs were "relevant" to the site. Along with that I had posted some ads on CL, but these ads were made in general sections like the "services" section.

    So there was nothing on the sites themselves, that was relevant to my own site.

    The ONLY RELEVANCE I could find in these links, was the keywords I used. On marketing forums I explained what the site did. On blogs and CL I did the same thing.

    So that changed the way I looked at "relevance". And I began to assume that you can manipulative relevance just with the keywords you use. I also assumed that you don't need links on relevant sites, you just need keywords on those sites with your link, and that makes it relevant.

    This was before I knew anything about SEO. So when people eventually told me "you need relevant links", I heard that as "I need to find sites targeting the same keywords I am". Apparently, that isn't true. So the way I looked at relevance was completely false imo.
    Like if I had a website about carpet cleaning (which I don't), and wanted a link on a forum, I would have looked for a carpet cleaning forum to post my link on. But now I see, you don't need to do that, and its a waste of time imo. I could get a link on any forum, as long as it had my keywords in it, and since those keywords are relevant to my site, that link is also relevant. Regardless of what the forum itself is targeting.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm sure Google looks at incoming links to the backlink page & the relevancy of those pages content/text.

    If you have a wedding site with a backlink pointing at an external wedding site, the first page with the backlink will have multiple incoming links all relevant to weddings.

    Link flow top to bottom:
    • relevant wedding page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
    • relevant wedding page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
    • relevant wedding page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
    • relevant wedding page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
      • wedding backlink
      • wedding money page
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I'm sure Google looks at incoming links to the backlink page & the relevancy of those pages content/text.
      That sounds like pure conjecture. Do you have any evidence at all to be so sure?

      Unless I am misunderstanding you thats terribly unlikely. Every new post with a link has zero links to it but instantly has juice from navigation. Google would discount that in terms of relevance because there are no relevant links to the backlink source page?

      This Christmas season sites may link to a page on toys that might harm your kids. In the article the writer may link to webmd for an article on airway obstructions (with no mention of toys). Webmd's suffocation article has no relation to toys on the sites linking to that article that links to webmd and the links to that page would have no necessary mention of suffocation.

      There are literally millions of such kinds of situations where on the surface associations would not seem to be relevant but actually are to humans. If Google went that far then they would end up with everything being associated and relevant
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        That sounds like pure conjecture. Do you have any evidence at all to be so sure?

        Unless I am misunderstanding you thats terribly unlikely. Every new post with a link has zero links to it but instantly has juice from navigation. Google would discount that in terms of relevance because there are no relevant links to the backlink source page?

        This Christmas season sites may link to a page on toys that might harm your kids. In the article the writer may link to webmd for an article on airway obstructions (with no mention of toys). Webmd's suffocation article has no relation to toys on the sites linking to that article that links to webmd and the links to that page would have no necessary mention of suffocation.

        There are literally millions of such kinds of situations where on the surface associations would not seem to be relevant but actually are to humans. If Google went that far then they would end up with everything being associated and relevant

        Other than common sense, no proof.

        Google SERPs are based on relevancy, why wouldn't everything else be based on relvancy?

        The link flow below looks like crap (IMO).

        Link flow top to bottom:
        • Honda Civic Muffler page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
        • Mars Mission Successful page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
        • Joe Plumber page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
        • Elephant Escapes Zoo page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
          • wedding backlink
          • wedding money page

        That link flow above is one link short of a fiverr gig.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Other than common sense, no proof.

          Google SERPs are based on relevancy, why wouldn't everything else be based on relvancy?
          Well because its not common sense. It assumes that we have already mastered artificial intelligence which we haven't. The thing about it is that common sense IS based on some kind of proof so when you say you don't have any it aint common sense.

          • Honda Civic Muffler page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
          • Mars Mission Successful page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
          • Joe Plumber page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
          • Elephant Escapes Zoo page on same domain with link pointing at backlink page
            • wedding backlink
            • wedding money page
          Those sites could not have linked to a news page congratulating Obama on a second term or linked to something scientific since they almost all rely on science or not all be linked to Houston or Cape Canaveral where all of them could reside or be linking to a wedding the webmasters are all going to , a birth , a piece of legislation, politician's office they support and on and on. To say that those sites would not be linking to the same site is like saying that people of different professions can never have similar interests which is a violation of common sense.

          People try and make up all these facts they are sure about for SEO but most are just a load of idle speculation. Thats all I am saying . You are entitled to your imagination but theres nothing sure about it.

          That link flow above is one link short of a fiverr gig.
          lol ... Thats Rubbish Yuke. Absolute nonsense. Fiverr gigs are trash because of the kinds of links not the content put on them or their relevancy. You could put 1,000 real estate forum profile links to a page about real estate it would still be 1,000 trash links.
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          • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Fiverr gigs are trash because of the kinds of links not the content put on them or their relevancy. You could put 1,000 real estate forum profile links to a page about real estate it would still be 1,000 trash links.
            Buy a PBN post from me on one of my PR6 domains and you'll notice the same effects as 500 fiverr gigs (that's if you don't get penalized for it). Too many people are buying Fiverr gigs, it's awful. These Indians are making a killing for destroying people's businesses.

            What's worst is that the MAJORITY of Fiverr buyers are people who don't understand SEO or IM, and just want to boost their home business by a few places. Queue 2-months later and they get slapped, and their whole business is destroyed, just because they spent $10 on CRAP backlinks.
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          • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


            lol ... Thats Rubbish Yuke. Absolute nonsense. Fiverr gigs are trash because of the kinds of links not the content put on them or their relevancy. You could put 1,000 real estate forum profile links to a page about real estate it would still be 1,000 trash links.
            I award you a nobel prize for being the most presumptous person on WF.

            This is the second time I've seen you do this in 1 hour.

            To refute something based on the grounds that "fiver gigs are trash", means you assume that someone said the opposite ie. "fiver gigs are gold".

            That was never said. I'm not sure why this is so obvious to me, but seemed to pass right over your head.

            So first, chill out.
            Second, don't argue with common sense when you try so hard to convey the opposite.

            -Red
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

              I award you a nobel prize for being the most presumptous person on WF.

              This is the second time I've seen you do this in 1 hour.

              To refute something based on the grounds that "fiver gigs are trash", means you assume that someone said the opposite ie. "fiver gigs are gold".
              Someone is still hurt over another thread response I see. Emotions will often marr your ability to read if you let it. The rubbish I noted was not even remotely implying Yuke said"fiverr gigs are gold" but that the links from sites of diifferent relevancies would be comparable to fiverr gigs. That is the comparison Yuke was making. Its not a good point because Fiverr gigs are crappy for entirely different reasons. Relevancy is not the issue as it is in this discussion. Yuke knows I think fiverr gigs are garbage and I know from previous discussion that he thinks the same. SO the idea that I would assume he thought they were gold is just you not knowing anything about us or what we already know of each other.

              That was never said. I'm not sure why this is so obvious to me, but seemed to pass right over your head.
              It was obvious to everyone that that was not said and obvious to everyone else that I never said that it was said. You just clean missed the point and claimed an assumption up in your own mind. You can blow me up to make yourself feel better on many a point but at least read the thread before doing so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
    Originally Posted by thatdude123 View Post

    Just got into a Huge argument with an Seo company. This guy was telling me that a link from a hardware store with a PR 4 is worth as much as a Link from a blog or site in my niche which is weddings.

    I told him I don't believe that... He insisted I was an idiot.

    So who's right ?? Am I the idiot or him ??
    How can I explain this in plain words.. Hmmm... The thing about "Getting Relevant backlinks" purpose is to drive the same interested audience that is relevant to your niche. So basically getting backlinks from relevant sites is a better idea.

    However, SEO wise getting a backlinks from a PR 0 which is relevant to your site but is buried in SERPs has less impact on your future ranking compared to getting backlinks from PR2 or above that already has a higher authority and popularity compared to that of your backlinks in a PR0 sites that has less chances to be found by anyone.

    To tell you the truth the only reason why you open this thread is to create a backlink for the keyword "weddings" and this forum is not even related to your niche! Get the point?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Remember the article posted by Google search blog or Matt C. (I can't remember which one) where they pointed out spun irrelevant articles with irrelevant anchor-text on the backlink? They slammed the irrelevant text/anchor-text.

    Why wouldn't they compare incoming links relevancy on the backlink pages incoming links?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Remember the article posted by Google search blog or Matt C. (I can't remember which one) where they pointed out spun irrelevant articles with irrelevant anchor-text on the backlink? They slammed the irrelevant text/anchor-text.

      Why wouldn't they compare incoming links relevancy on the backlink pages incoming links?
      Thats easy. because thats all a part of LSI that we know they use. Thats why all the proof we have points to them analyzing THE PAGE with the CONTENT. We have ZERO evidence that they look at incoming links to the source page.

      It just doesn't work Yuke. I've given you two reasons already. Here is a third. What would google do with blog home page links?

      This week I may write an article on the fiscal cliff and people link to with just my URL = http://www.hisdomain.com

      Next week I may write an article On lady Gaga being over rated as a singer.

      However two years ago I wrote on the Mars mission. A year before that My Honda Civic

      All those links would look just like your example because they were all to the same URL that finally might be about my Friend Yuke's return to WF. The content at the end of links routinely changes. that theory of your s is extremely unlikely but hey Google may be crazy enough I just doubt it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats easy. because thats all a part of LSI that we know they use. Thats why all the proof we have points to them analyzing THE PAGE with the CONTENT. We have ZERO evidence that they look at incoming links to the source page.

        It just doesn't work Yuke. I've given you two reasons already. Here is a third. What would google do with blog home page links?

        This week I may write an article on the fiscal cliff and people link to with just my URL = http://www.hisdomain.com

        Next week I may write an article On lady Gaga being over rated as a singer.

        However two years ago I wrote on the Mars mission. A year before that My Honda Civic

        All those links would look just like your example because they were all to the same page that finally might be about my Friend Yuke's return to WF. The content at the end of links routinely changes.
        Agreed. I outsource my PBN articles to Indian writers. They are all 300-600 words, highly relevant with natural anchor text placement. One site per post. I have noticed TREMENDOUS results. I haven't been hit. My site's haven't been "slapped" or "dropped".

        If I want to link to my Pressure Washer amazon site, I get them to write a 400-post about pressure washers - nothing else. It isn't spun and it's all unique. The people who get hit are using automated methods which are traceable through algorithms. Googlebot has over a decade of dealing with crap - they know what crap is by now.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Thats easy. because thats all a part of LSI that we know they use. Thats why all the proof we have points to them analyzing THE PAGE with the CONTENT. We have ZERO evidence that they look at incoming links to the source page.

        It just doesn't work Yuke. I've given you two reasons already. Here is a third. What would google do with blog home page links?

        This week I may write an article on the fiscal cliff and people link to with just my URL = http://www.hisdomain.com

        Next week I may write an article On lady Gaga being over rated as a singer.

        However two years ago I wrote on the Mars mission. A year before that My Honda Civic

        All those links would look just like your example because they were all to the same URL that finally might be about my Friend Yuke's return to WF. The content at the end of links routinely changes. that theory of your s is extremely unlikely but hey Google may be crazy enough I just doubt it.

        I've seen that blog I didn't realize it was yours.

        I'm Joe Public, I have a blog about everything under the Sun. Why doesn't Google love me?

        Good luck with that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I've seen that blog I didn't realize it was yours.

          I'm Joe Public, I have a blog about everything under the Sun. Why doesn't Google love me?

          Good luck with that.
          too silly. I don't own any such domain. its an example and yes if you take some time and check this thing they call the internets you will see that there are some very popular bloggers thatwrite about everything as social commentary (very few run adsense to junk up their site so you might have missed it ) . Shucks even politics where the subject matter changes every month - new names, new bills, new issues. medical blogs that today will write about a new drug released and the next talk about family or work. Each will attract links from different kinds of sites but linking to the same URL.

          All I am saying Yuke is be careful with these baseless ideas pushing in a thread. There was this guy last week who said he was leaving because of them. We don't want him reading this and actually leave this time. lol
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            too silly. I don't own any such domain. its an example and yes if you take some time and check this thing they call the internets you will ses that there are some very popular bloggers than write about everything as social commentary. Shucks even politics where the subject matter changes every month - new names, new bills, new issues. medical blogs that today will write about a new drug released and the next talk about family or work.

            Its just funny though. Last week it was like all these bad threads are too much for me (drama much?) I'm leaving and now here you are in a thread pushing some idea that has no merit and no proof whatsoever.

            I came back because I missed you.

            I couldn't stand the lack of condescending commentary.


            [j/k]
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              I came back because I missed you.

              I couldn't stand the lack of condescending commentary.


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              DUDE!!! It was like a day or two. you can't go back from what you never left. Thats like picking up the newpaper at the front door in the morning,closing the door back and and shouting "Honey I'm home"

              Like I said in that drama thread you were never going anywhere.

              But hey glad to umm...have you "back" :rolleyes: . Seriously it would be no fun being anti-adsense with out somebody over the top pro adsense. Got to have the contrast. Makes life more interesting. So glad you missed me. I promised you I would have missed you too...If I was given the chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
    I hired results first Seo thinking ... Let me give these guys a shot. They assumed I knew NOTHING. They was sending my site to 100's of crap directories and thinking I would be impressed with that and some GARBAGE social booking sites. So I'm kinda stuck in a contract for a few months. So I have to pay another company to write unique articles and press releases to give them so they won't spin other people's work and I get DINGED for it. Probably worst mistake or one of the worst I've made thus far.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
    The "ONLY" luck I've had with fiverr was prior to penguin and panda and I did link wheels that pointed to Web 2.0 properties ... That pointed then pointed to my money site. But anything else I tried was TRASH. that's just my personal experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
    I can prove to anyone here that backlinks are backlinks either they are relevant or irrelevant go ahead check my keyword Filipino SEO if I ain't ranking #1 for almost 5 consecutive months now. No changes in ranking even after Panda and Penguin new updates I still rank #1 not only that I made a client keyword at #1 for his wordpress blog site and his joomla site at #2 for the same keyword.

    If you are aiming for the #1 position create backlinks on high profile with high authority sites and be relevant to the topic on that site even your niche is not relevant to them you will get link juices!

    If you are so bookish stick to your idea, mine was just a thought that I'd like to share.
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    • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
      Originally Posted by Dokemion View Post

      I can prove to anyone here that backlinks are backlinks either they are relevant or irrelevant go ahead check my keyword Filipino SEO if I ain't ranking #1 for almost 5 consecutive months now. No changes in ranking even after Panda and Penguin new updates I still rank #1 not only that I made a client keyword at #1 for his wordpress blog site and his joomla site at #2 for the same keyword.

      If you are aiming for the #1 position create backlinks on high profile with high authority sites and be relevant to the topic on that site even your niche is not relevant to them you will get link juices!

      If you are so bookish stick to your idea, mine was just a thought that I'd like to share.
      What is your site ??
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Dokemion View Post

      I can prove to anyone here that backlinks are backlinks either they are relevant or irrelevant go ahead check my keyword Filipino SEO if I ain't ranking #1 for almost 5 consecutive months now. No changes in ranking even after Panda and Penguin new updates I still rank #1 not only that I made a client keyword at #1 for his wordpress blog site and his joomla site at #2 for the same keyword.

      If you are aiming for the #1 position create backlinks on high profile with high authority sites and be relevant to the topic on that site even your niche is not relevant to them you will get link juices!

      If you are so bookish stick to your idea, mine was just a thought that I'd like to share.

      Sorry, that site gets very little traffic.

      Before you say Feedjit doesn't track all SERP traffic, Feedjit tracks all internal page views, most sites get multiple page views per unique traffic.

      Your data out of the last 50 visits or so is 6 days old, not good unless your selling high end luxury items (doesn't look like that's the case here).

      Not trying to call you out, your the one claiming to rank for keywords for your blog. That's fine that you rank for your keyword, but I seriously doubt it gets much traffic.

      http://live.feedjit.com/live/pinoyseoservices.blogspot.com/0/









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      • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Sorry, that site gets very little traffic.

        Before you say Feedjit doesn't track all SERP traffic, Feedjit tracks all internal page views, most sites get multiple page views per unique traffic.

        Your data out of the last 50 visits or so is 6 days old, not good unless your selling high end luxury items (doesn't look like that's the case here).

        Not trying to call you out, your the one claiming to rank for keywords for your blog. That's fine that you rank for your keyword, but I seriously doubt it gets much traffic.

        http://live.feedjit.com/live/pinoyseoservices.blogspot.com/0/
        I don't know what came into your mind that you even did a research about my blog... I wasn't even talking about traffic!! Laughing out Loud... Hahahaha... !

        You are kind'a out of thread man. The Tittle of the Thread is Link Relevancy- Does it matter ???? and I was talking about relevant and irrelavant backlinks if they matter or not. Which for me it doesn't matter.

        As for your satisfaction and your effort in researching about my blog I say that is very true.. The blog doesn't get enough traffic simply because I am not doing anything with the blog. I barely update post! After I manage to rank the site at #1 for the keyword "Filipino SEO" I left the blog unattended.

        My goal for the site is to prove that my SEO campaigns are working and I can rank a site on #1 position and my other goal is to get more clients to acquire my services, not READERS! My clients and future clients can assure that my services is worth the money they pay me.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Dokemion View Post

          I don't know what came into your mind that you even did a research about my blog... I wasn't even talking about traffic!! Laughing out Loud... Hahahaha... !

          You are kind'a out of thread man. The Tittle of the Thread is Link Relevancy- Does it matter ???? and I was talking about relevant and irrelavant backlinks if they matter or not. Which for me it doesn't matter.

          As for your satisfaction and your effort in researching about my blog I say that is very true.. The blog doesn't get enough traffic simply because I am not doing anything with the blog. I barely update post! After I manage to rank the site at #1 for the keyword "Filipino SEO" I left the blog unattended.

          My goal for the site is to prove that my SEO campaigns are working and I can rank a site on #1 position and my other goal is to get more clients to acquire my services, not READERS! My clients and future clients can assure that my services is worth the money they pay me.

          Ok, but this page will eventually rank for the keyword phrase yellow barnacle oatmeal kaleidoscope, doesn't mean the keyword is worth anything, let alone worth taking the time to build backlinks for the keyword phrase.

          The extent of me researching your blog was clicking your forum sig. link, then clicking the link in your sidebar (two clicks).
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          • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Ok, but this page will eventually rank for the keyword phrase yellow barnacle oatmeal kaleidoscope, doesn't mean the keyword is worth anything, let alone worth taking the time to build backlinks for the keyword phrase.

            The extent of me researching your blog was clicking your forum sig. link, then clicking the link in your sidebar (two clicks).
            You're not getting the point. The goal of my blog is to get more clients not earn from my Adsense or other affiliates I have in the blog. The thing you're saying is not even in my intention or my goal. That keyword phrase you mentioned is totally worthless and I know about it.

            To prove that you need both relevant and irrelevant backlinks to rank #1. Check the attached file where I rank my client sites on their respective keywords in little time. The backlinks they got are both relevant and irrelavant on other hand your replies are waayyyy to irrelevant. I think your knowledge and experience in SEO is egual to mine way back 3 years ago!

            To even prove further you can contact them via e-mail and ask them personally who is the SEO behind their site #1 position in Google!
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Dokemion View Post

              You're not getting the point. The goal of my blog is to get more clients not earn from my Adsense or other affiliates I have in the blog. The thing you're saying is not even in my intention or my goal. That keyword phrase you mentioned is totally worthless and I know about it.

              To prove that you need both relevant and irrelevant backlinks to rank #1. Check the attached file where I rank my client sites on their respective keywords in little time. The backlinks they got are both relevant and irrelavant on other hand your replies are waayyyy to irrelevant. I think your knowledge and experience in SEO is egual to mine way back 3 years ago!

              To even prove further you can contact them via e-mail and ask them personally who is the SEO behind their site #1 position in Google!

              Its sitting at #1.

              yellow barnacle oatmeal kaleidoscope

              My point is the site isn't getting much traffic, so I doubt that specific keyword is getting much traffic. If that keyword is bringing in small amounts of high paying clients, cool, If not, cool. Either way I'm ok with it.

              Might not be a good idea to post anything related to a paying client.
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            • Profile picture of the author dburk
              Originally Posted by Dokemion View Post

              You're not getting the point. The goal of my blog is to get more clients not earn from my Adsense or other affiliates I have in the blog. The thing you're saying is not even in my intention or my goal. That keyword phrase you mentioned is totally worthless and I know about it.

              To prove that you need both relevant and irrelevant backlinks to rank #1. Check the attached file where I rank my client sites on their respective keywords in little time. The backlinks they got are both relevant and irrelavant on other hand your replies are waayyyy to irrelevant. I think your knowledge and experience in SEO is egual to mine way back 3 years ago!

              To even prove further you can contact them via e-mail and ask them personally who is the SEO behind their site #1 position in Google!
              I see no proof, nor anything that even hints "that you need both relevant and irrelevant backlinks to rank #1". What makes you think that irrelevant backlinks would ever be needed to rank for a keyword? That doesn't even make sense, much less is there any proof of it in your examples.

              Those terms you posted as examples have very little value in ranking since according to Google they both get fewer than 10 searches per month. So most webmasters could rank for those keywords with very little effort, Perhaps even by accident. Probably not the best choice for demonstrating your SEO prowess.

              I believe the whole notion that one needs "irrelevant" backlinks to rank is just pure Cargo Cult SEO, with absolutely no basis in truth.

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              • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
                Originally Posted by dburk View Post

                I see no proof, nor anything that even hints "that you need both relevant and irrelevant backlinks to rank #1". What makes you think that irrelevant backlinks would ever be needed to rank for a keyword? That doesn't even make sense, much less is there any proof of it in your examples.

                Those terms you posted as examples have very little value in ranking since according to Google they both get fewer than 10 searches per month. So most webmasters could rank for those keywords with very little effort, Perhaps even by accident. Probably not the best choice for demonstrating your SEO prowess.

                I believe the whole notion that one needs "irrelevant" backlinks to rank is just pure Cargo Cult SEO, with absolutely no basis in truth.

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  • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
    Outsource a Filipino SEO Specialist ???

    Is this it ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
      Originally Posted by thatdude123 View Post

      Yes that's my blog. It has more no follow backlinks than do follow backlinks it has more irrelevant backlinks than relevant backlinks. Yet I manage to rank its keywords at very good position.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by thatdude123 View Post

    Just got into a Huge argument with an Seo company. This guy was telling me that a link from a hardware store with a PR 4 is worth as much as a Link from a blog or site in my niche which is weddings.

    I told him I don't believe that... He insisted I was an idiot.

    So who's right ?? Am I the idiot or him ??
    Based on our research the whole idea of link relevancy is a myth. I'd go with the PR4 link from any site in any niche. There is some relevancy there between hardware stores and weddings:

    hardware store >> outdoor pergola kits >> garden weddings :p

    Consider a fishing blog. I can come up with hundreds of relevant link examples including:

    bait
    sunscreen
    swimming lessons
    fuel
    weather reports
    crab pots
    sports shoes
    knives
    shotguns
    TNT
    fishing rods
    hats
    outboard motors
    4 wheel drives

    the list goes on. What does relevancy really mean and how would Google calculate it and then process billions of web pages for relevancy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      Based on our research the whole idea of link relevancy is a myth. I'd go with the PR4 link from any site in any niche. There is some relevancy there between hardware stores and weddings:

      hardware store >> outdoor pergola kits >> garden weddings :p

      Consider a fishing blog. I can come up with hundreds of relevant link examples including:

      bait
      sunscreen
      swimming lessons
      fuel
      weather reports
      crab pots
      sports shoes
      knives
      shotguns
      TNT
      fishing rods
      hats
      outboard motors
      4 wheel drives

      the list goes on. What does relevancy really mean and how would Google calculate it and then process billions of web pages for relevancy?
      I've used to think the same thing.

      I mean what the hell is Harvard.edu about? Or what niche is CNN.com in? They have pages about EVERYTHING.

      That being said, I've done testing and sites VERY closely related pass a ton of value...regardless of PR.
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  • Profile picture of the author raisuddintch1
    These guys misleading you.
    First step of off page SEO(making links) is relevance the page from where you getting link that must have same theme as your linking page's theme. Google detect it by LSI otherwise it will counted as black hat seo.
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  • Profile picture of the author aizaku
    I didn't read a single post after the OP's question because the answer is clear.

    IT DOES MATTER! GET LINKS FROM RELEVANT SITES
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  • Profile picture of the author samual james
    According to me PR matters a lot but if you are getting links from irrelevant websites then PR doesn't matter, you need to try to get pr + relevancy both at a same time so that you can get benefited from the link.
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    • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
      Originally Posted by samual james View Post

      According to me PR matters a lot but if you are getting links from irrelevant websites then PR doesn't matter, you need to try to get pr + relevancy both at a same time so that you can get benefited from the link.
      FINALLY .... Someone who knows his shit.

      Thanks. That's what I thought
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    The key to ranking in google is PR + relevance

    That has been the static that hasnt changed in years. Neither of you are technically right.

    The ideal link would obviously be high pr/authority from a relevant site.

    Although links from irreverent sites will help you rank.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

      The key to ranking in google is PR + relevance

      That has been the static that hasnt changed in years. Neither of you are technically right.

      The ideal link would obviously be high pr/authority from a relevant site.

      Although links from irreverent sites will help you rank.
      Hi MM Ninja,

      I disagree with your assertion that "site" relevance matters. Search engines do not consider "site" relevancy, they are much more granular than that, they index and rank search results based on page level relevancy factors, not "site" relevancy.

      In the early days of the web there were a lot of website directories that did focus on "site" relevancy. However, over time "search engines" that used a much more granular method, base on page level factors, emerged as the more popular choice for most web users.

      If a "search engine" used site relevancy, rather than page level factors, it would not have the same accuracy of a "true" search engine, and technically would be a website directory with a search feature, not a true search engine.
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      • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi MM Ninja,

        I disagree with your assertion that "site" relevance matters. Search engines do not consider "site" relevancy, they are much more granular than that, they index and rank search results based on page level relevancy factors, not "site" relevancy.

        In the early days of the web there were a lot of website directories that did focus on "site" relevancy. However, over time "search engines" that used a much more granular method, base on page level factors, emerged as the more popular choice for most web users.

        If a "search engine" used site relevancy, rather than page level factors, it would not have the same accuracy of a "true" search engine, and technically would be a website directory with a search feature, not a true search engine.
        Hey Don,

        I agree and disagree.

        I agree that Google doesn't necessarily rank on relevancy.

        However, that's not to say that relevancy on the entire site doesn't matter. In my testing it does.

        And there's an interesting interview that was published by an ex-Google employee at the webspam team that said this:

        "getting a link from a high PR page used to always be valuable, today it's more the relevance of the site's theme in regards to yours, relevance is the new PR."

        Food for thought...
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

          Hey Don,

          I agree and disagree.

          I agree that Google doesn't necessarily rank on relevancy.

          However, that's not to say that relevancy on the entire site doesn't matter. In my testing it does.

          And there's an interesting interview that was published by an ex-Google employee at the webspam team that said this:

          "getting a link from a high PR page used to always be valuable, today it's more the relevance of the site's theme in regards to yours, relevance is the new PR."

          Food for thought...
          Hmm... Must be why he is an "ex-Google employee".
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          • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hmm... Must be why he is an "ex-Google employee".
            Awesome input. I'm gonna now go for high PR Relevant sites.

            Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hmm... Must be why he is an "ex-Google employee".
            LOL. That could be (I don't think MC is as nice as he seems in his videos).
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi MM Ninja,

        I disagree with your assertion that "site" relevance matters. Search engines do not consider "site" relevancy, they are much more granular than that, they index and rank search results based on page level relevancy factors, not "site" relevancy.

        It's not just about the site, it's about building up the relevancy for the pages.

        Rank a single page #1 with external links, then point internal links from the ranked page at a couple of other same domain internal pages, chances are you'll end up with double/triple pages ranked for the same exact keyword that the original page is ranked for.

        I've been doing this to get double/triple SERPs per keyword for a long time, it's nothing new & it works by passing relevancy from one page to multiple pages.

        There's absolutely no reason Google would exclude passing relevancy from external pages/links. Why would Google allow it to happen on our own internal links, but not pass relevancy on external links? I don't believe Google would do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author agapril07
    No link relevance does not matter, The End. No seriously that's the end of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatdude123
    Now when u say relevant and irrelevant keywords ---- are talking about anchor text and making sure u have some "click here" "visit us" or are u just ranking COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TERMS for the hell of it. I don't get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author extremejava
    relevancy of page matters not website as a whole. A page about laptops from CNN carries lot more weightage even though CNN is primarily as news broadcaster
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    Ask yourself this, would you turn down a permanent homepage link on ezinearticles.com, what about a permanent homepage link on Adobe.com? I don't think anyone would.

    If you get a chance to get an authority backlink, you take it!
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