Setting up private blog network...

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Hey warriors,
I am currently in the process of building a private blog network with some expired domains with good PR from GoDaddy auctions and have a few questions before i proceed any further. FYI all domains have private registration and are all hosted with different hosting providers.

1. If I own multiple niche sites, should I build a small network for each site or can I link to multiple sites that I own from the same network or would that send up red flags in Google's eyes?

2. Should I create Facebook pages for each of the blogs in the network and throw some Fiverr likes and retweets at the blogs or is this just a huge waste of time?

3. Is it better to have 1 out-bound-link just to my site or to have a couple OBL's including my site and other high PR sites like .gov, wikipedia etc..?

Any help would be appreciated from the senior forum guys. Along the likes of Mike F, Yukon etc... Thanks in advance for your time and everyone have a HAPPY NEW YEAR!
#blog #facebook #network #private #setting
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    First, I hope you checked the backlinks of whatever you bought at GoDaddy. Many of the sites listed in the auctions have already lost their high PR links, so the PR you see in the toolbar is not correct. Others are just outright faked PR sites. It is extremely easy to get ripped off.

    I prefer niche related sites. I do not like building general article directory kind of crap. I try to build sites that are viable on their own. They each have original content, many have a Twitter account linked, custom headers, and some other graphics usually thrown in. I don't bother with Facebook much, but that is largely due to the niches I am in. Most of them do not make sense with Facebook. Some I will throw in a Pinterest and YouTube account.

    I link to other relevant sites when it makes sense. I usually do not use a keyword rich anchor phrase for those links and often link to a page that is not ranking anywhere in the top 2 pages of my SERP.
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    • Profile picture of the author RLavallee821
      Thanks for the response Mike!

      I run all sites thru SEO Spyglass and a manual link inspection (to ensure the links are still up and valid) before purchasing any domain. So I'm hoping that the PR will stick around during the next update.

      About the linking pattern for the network. Do you think its a bad idea to use multiple blogs to link to multiple niche sites that I own. I am hesitant to do this so right now I am sitting on 4 PR3 blogs trying to figure out my next move. I just finished building a niche site and I am wondering if I could use the existing blogs that point to another niche site I own to point to the new niche site. Just worried this will create a footprint for Google to follow and figure out that I own all of these sites.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author mcwalker25
        Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post

        Thanks for the response Mike!

        I run all sites thru SEO Spyglass and a manual link inspection (to ensure the links are still up and valid) before purchasing any domain. So I'm hoping that the PR will stick around during the next update.

        About the linking pattern for the network. Do you think its a bad idea to use multiple blogs to link to multiple niche sites that I own. I am hesitant to do this so right now I am sitting on 4 PR3 blogs trying to figure out my next move. I just finished building a niche site and I am wondering if I could use the existing blogs that point to another niche site I own to point to the new niche site. Just worried this will create a footprint for Google to follow and figure out that I own all of these sites.

        Thanks!
        I would check the backlinks to see if you have purchased something that may have a stench behind it...
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    • Profile picture of the author kaytav
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


      I prefer niche related sites. I do not like building general article directory kind of crap. I try to build sites that are viable on their own. They each have original content, many have a Twitter account linked, custom headers, and some other graphics usually thrown in. I don't bother with Facebook much, but that is largely due to the niches I am in. Most of them do not make sense with Facebook. Some I will throw in a Pinterest and YouTube account.
      Most people don't understand this. They build sites with all categories which makes it look like spam. Niche related sites is a good idea for a blog network.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I prefer niche related sites. I do not like building general article directory kind of crap. I try to build sites that are viable on their own. They each have original content, many have a Twitter account linked, custom headers, and some other graphics usually thrown in. I don't bother with Facebook much, but that is largely due to the niches I am in. Most of them do not make sense with Facebook. Some I will throw in a Pinterest and YouTube account.
      I tried to do at the start, now have 125 niche related sites in 25 different niches but it's far from enough cause I have clients in so many different niches with budgets of $69 $119 $99, so it would be a complete losing business for me to focus on that.

      I have thought about dividing it, but even then, where you gonna place someone that sells some specific product.

      General shopping sites would be a solution for people that are into ecommerce / sell products but even then it would be way to broad and thus kills the whole relevacny idea.

      Same applies for local businesses, look how freaking much different local businesses are out there, from dentist to lawyer to the guy cutting your freaking grass.

      Sure shop sites and local directories are an option so I think I'm going that way slowly, it kills the relevancy but it does look more legit then a typical blog or bookmark site.

      Then the rest could be divided over 10-20 broad niches like:

      - business services
      - home improvement
      - personal care
      - etc

      Still not the most perfect solution but well, the budget is just not there to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Just a quick question, why are you buying through GoDaddy auctions? Get scrapebox and Xenu. Much easier & cheaper
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    • Profile picture of the author RLavallee821
      As far as I am aware ScrapeBox does not allow you to own a domain. Just comment on other blogs. I am building a private blog network of blogs in which I own and con control them to my liking. If I am mistaken please correct me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post

        As far as I am aware ScrapeBox does not allow you to own a domain. Just comment on other blogs. I am building a private blog network of blogs in which I own and con control them to my liking. If I am mistaken please correct me.
        Scrapebox allows you to find expired/deleted domains that have REAL PR value. I scrape, find PR7 pages with links. Use Xenu to find the broken links with no host. From there, I check domain availability. Then I use Open Site Explorer to check metrics, AHREFS to check backlinks..

        I've got over 50 PR5-PR7 domains for $10 each...
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post

    1. If I own multiple niche sites, should I build a small network for each site or can I link to multiple sites that I own from the same network or would that send up red flags in Google's eyes?
    I wouldn't interlink your sites. That's just asking for trouble.
    Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post


    2. Should I create Facebook pages for each of the blogs in the network and throw some Fiverr likes and retweets at the blogs or is this just a huge waste of time?
    I'd do it for some. This definitely helps your sites look more legit.
    Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post

    3. Is it better to have 1 out-bound-link just to my site or to have a couple OBL's including my site and other high PR sites like .gov, wikipedia etc..?
    You should have dozens of OBL's. What real site has 1-3 OBL's?
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  • Profile picture of the author agapril07
    1. Either way is fine.
    2. NO
    3. Depends on how many terms you re tryiong to rank and how divergent they are. But if you can get away with one, then just do one. PR Blackhole style.
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  • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
    It's hard finding the good ones. It is easy to spend $10k on one domain for your network. You can buy a few PR2s with low authority that won't do much good for around $60-$500 each. Also be sure to put your domains on different servers (different IPs) and make them private on Whois. Do NOT link your network together, ever!

    Update content on each blog in your network daily, but DO NOT use duplicate or spun content, EVER. Make each article written for the reader (approx 400-500 words) and do not re-use the article on any blog in your network. It is important to update your unique daily (DO NOT EVER USE DUPLICATE CONTENT).

    Another invaluable tip I will give you is 301 redirect your 404 page to the homepage of each blog. Naturally there was inner pages linked to from back when it was something else, don't lose that link juice, redirect it to the homepage. Also do proper onpage SEO to each blog so you don't lose link juice. Such as noindex/nofollow category, tag, author page, login, etc..

    If you are starting a network then go all in. Don't half ass it. Expect to spend atleast $20,000 TO $50,000 to start and hire a full time virtual assistant... networks are not cheap or easy to maintain so they stay safe from getting deindexed or lose rank and lose authority.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      If you are starting a network then go all in. Don't half ass it. Expect to spend atleast $20,000 TO $50,000 to start and hire a full time virtual assistant... networks are not cheap or easy to maintain so they stay safe from getting deindexed or lose rank and lose authority.
      This is ridiculous. I've spent around $1,000 and have over 200 PBN sites, each with a minimum of PR3. My highest PBN site is PR7. I haven't hired a VA. All I've done is bought scrapebox and downloaded Xenu.....
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

        This is ridiculous. I've spent around $1,000 and have over 200 PBN sites, each with a minimum of PR3. My highest PBN site is PR7. I haven't hired a VA. All I've done is bought scrapebox and downloaded Xenu.....
        Kudos for finding PR5 domains that way, but yeah this method definitely works. I found about 100 domains and about 85 of them gained PR in the range from PR1 to PR4. I use them in my service as my tier 2 network to boost properties like web2.0's and what not.

        As it's tier 2 I don't care about posting spun content on those and if some get deindexed it's also not really a problem as it's only around 10 bucks per domain.

        Actually you don't even need Xenu but instead you can use the 404 and Alive checking modules from Scrapebox.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThatAblaze
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      Another invaluable tip I will give you is 301 redirect your 404 page to the homepage of each blog. Naturally there was inner pages linked to from back when it was something else, don't lose that link juice, redirect it to the homepage.
      This is a horrible idea. Every month or so Google will send out a web spider that will attempt to access a sub-directory with a long random string of characters to make sure you have your 404 page set up correctly. If you fail this test your site looses a lot of PR for as long as it takes for Google to do another test.

      Instead of the lazy way, you should identify the pages that existed on the old site and redirect those pages to some existing page. This can be done by either looking at the cache of the old site or by tracking users who visit your 404 page and redirecting urls that get a 404 often.

      Honestly, I think gearmonkey gave so much bad advice in that post that he is probably trying to make it harder to set up a network, not easier.
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

        This is ridiculous. I've spent around $1,000 and have over 200 PBN sites, each with a minimum of PR3. My highest PBN site is PR7. I haven't hired a VA. All I've done is bought scrapebox and downloaded Xenu.....
        Wow, if what you say is true (which I doubt), you should take your easy method to build a bunch of networks and flip them on flippa.com for $15,000 - $$25,000 each. People are paying it, you know why? Because it's not cheap or easy like you suggest.

        I just paid $5,500 for a PR6 that is 10 years old, top alexa rank and Domain Authority of 68 and 56,000 backlinks. Next google update this blog will rise to a PR7 or PR8.

        If you can find those using scrapebox then I can make you a millionaire in a month!

        Originally Posted by ThatAblaze View Post

        This is a horrible idea. Every month or so Google will send out a web spider that will attempt to access a sub-directory with a long random string of characters to make sure you have your 404 page set up correctly. If you fail this test your site looses a lot of PR for as long as it takes for Google to do another test.

        Instead of the lazy way, you should identify the pages that existed on the old site and redirect those pages to some existing page. This can be done by either looking at the cache of the old site or by tracking users who visit your 404 page and redirecting urls that get a 404 often.

        Honestly, I think gearmonkey gave so much bad advice in that post that he is probably trying to make it harder to set up a network, not easier.
        Works like a charm and gives the homepage more PR next update. Been doing this for 2 years... and getting my websites to the #1 spot is the end goal, and I'm getting websites to #1. Why? Because it works.

        Blog networks are rare these days because Google is deindexing them faster than you can say "boo", my network has been going strong for almost 2 years without a hitch. Wonder why? Because I know what I'm doing and do things the right way. The right way isn\t cheap or easy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          I just paid $5,500 for a PR6 that is 10 years old, top alexa rank and Domain Authority of 68.
          LOL. So you buy PR6s for $5,000 and then sell PR 7 links for $5 so um you can break even after putting over a thousand blog posts on your domain. Lets see now whats wrong with these numbers.........?

          If you are paying $5,000 for PR6s with a good link profile your broker sucks. Wait a minute.... I take that back.. He's a freaking genius. He's found customers that give him 400-500% profit. I take it back


          Blog networks are rare these days because Google is deindexing them faster than you can say "boo"
          No they are not. they have only hit public rental networks. Thousands of networks still exist untouched. I have yet to have any of my domains deindexed.


          my network has been going strong for almost 2 years without a hitch. Wonder why? Because I know what I'm doing and do things the right way. The right way isnt cheap or easy.
          Sorry mate. Making your Pr7s vunerable for $5 is not part of doing the right thing with them. You would be taken out in a new york minute by a google employee buying your services if you were as big and as public as BMR. To be honest a number of people doing cheap link sales form their network are only surviving because they are small and google isn't that scared about them

          Mind you there is nothing bad about being small but you just can't claim that you not being hit (if in fact you weren't because no seller will come out and say they have been) is just down to you doing things right. Selling links for $5 creates an easy point of entry for someone to take down your domain.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            To be honest a number of people doing cheap link sales form their network are only surviving because they are small and google isn't that scared about them

            Mind you there is nothing bad about being small but you just can't claim that you not being hit (if in fact you weren't because no seller will come out and say they have been) is just down to you doing things right. Selling links for $5 creates an easy point of entry for someone to take down your domain.
            I guess I'm the perfect example of that, having about 250+ sites and only got 2 sites deindexed in the last 8 months or so. Sure I try to do things the right away as in good hosting and avoiding spun content on my tier 1 sites but more important is that I'm definitely not on Google's radar.
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        • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          Wow, if what you say is true (which I doubt), you should take your easy method to build a bunch of networks and flip them on flippa.com for $15,000 - $$25,000 each. People are paying it, you know why? Because it's not cheap or easy like you suggest.

          I just paid $5,500 for a PR6 that is 10 years old, top alexa rank and Domain Authority of 68 and 56,000 backlinks. Next google update this blog will rise to a PR7 or PR8.

          If you can find those using scrapebox then I can make you a millionaire in a month!
          Why would I sell my sites on Flippa? The whole point is that I use them to rank 100 Amazon sites and quadruple the profits. I have plenty of "small" networks that I use to rank sites. When a corporate client comes to me and needs ranking for "make money online", I split my PBN up and devote a portion of my PBN purely for his site. He enters a contract to pay me £3,000 for 12-months and I make it all back.

          You paid $5,500 for a PR6 site? I paid $14 for a PR6 site just yesterday. Domain Authority = 57, Page Authority = 63. Now, tell me here who is losing money? You just wasted $5.5k on a site that I paid $14 for through using Scrapebox.

          You're miles behind and you don't know SEO. If you are legitimately buying sites for that amount of cash, you're damn stupid. Mike has put you to rest. Now, I suggest you go and learn how to make your business more profitable. I don't see how you can even make profit doing SEO if you're paying $5k for a domain. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
            Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

            Why would I sell my sites on Flippa? The whole point is that I use them to rank 100 Amazon sites and quadruple the profits. I have plenty of "small" networks that I use to rank sites. When a corporate client comes to me and needs ranking for "make money online", I split my PBN up and devote a portion of my PBN purely for his site. He enters a contract to pay me £3,000 for 12-months and I make it all back.

            You paid $5,500 for a PR6 site? I paid $14 for a PR6 site just yesterday. Domain Authority = 57, Page Authority = 63. Now, tell me here who is losing money? You just wasted $5.5k on a site that I paid $14 for through using Scrapebox.

            You're miles behind and you don't know SEO. If you are legitimately buying sites for that amount of cash, you're damn stupid. Mike has put you to rest. Now, I suggest you go and learn how to make your business more profitable. I don't see how you can even make profit doing SEO if you're paying $5k for a domain. WHAT A JOKE!!!!!
            Yeah, 16 hours ago I just bought Google.com and Facebook.com for $7 for both = WIN!!

            See I can make stuff up too :rolleyes:

            If you can buy "real" PR6 domains for $14 with DA60+, then Bill Gates should be your maid right now... Stop making shit up, it makes you look like a fool.

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

              Yeah, 16 hours ago I just bought Google.com and Facebook.com for $7 for both = WIN!!

              See I can make stuff up too :rolleyes:

              If you can buy "real" PR6 domains for $14 with DA60+, then Bill Gates should be your maid right now... Stop making shit up, it makes you look like a fool.
              Icematikx probably should not have put that out there like its the norm but it is not entirely impossible like you are claiming. I can't get into the details because again it does not suit my purposes to do so but there are very rare occasions where a domain expires without being auctioned or caught by one of the domain catching services. So in such cases you CAN pay $14 if that is the cost of registration and you catch it.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Icematikx probably should not have put that out there like its the norm but it is not entirely impossible like you are claiming. I can't get into the details because again it does not suit my purposes to do so but there are very rare occasions where a domain expires without being auctioned or caught by one of the domain catching services. So in such cases you CAN pay $14 if that is the cost of registration and you catch it.
                It's not really about the rare cases, someone teached at another blog to find domains that are expired/deleted about 7-8 years ago. Back then there was not much of a domain market so there were plenty available. It's all about the right unique footprints now to find them as everyone has already used the obvious footprints and thus it's a little hard to find good ones for just the reg fee but there are plenty PR2's and PR3's available to grab still.

                Now it's about automating and scaling the process to find them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
              Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

              Yeah, 16 hours ago I just bought Google.com and Facebook.com for $7 for both = WIN!!

              See I can make stuff up too :rolleyes:

              If you can buy "real" PR6 domains for $14 with DA60+, then Bill Gates should be your maid right now... Stop making shit up, it makes you look like a fool.

              Edit: I see you are new here, welcome to the forums
              Funny thing is though, I'm not making it up. Why don't you add me on Skype and pay me $1,000 per PR5/PR6 domain. I have plenty that are unregistered, all with DA 40+. I'll show you the proof of one domain before hand, then from there we can say, $1,000 per domain. It'll save you cash, and I'll get to make $$ from somebody who's inexperienced.
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              • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
                Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                Funny thing is though, I'm not making it up. Why don't you add me on Skype and pay me $1,000 per PR5/PR6 domain. I have plenty that are unregistered, all with DA 40+. I'll show you the proof of one domain before hand, then from there we can say, $1,000 per domain. It'll save you cash, and I'll get to make $$ from somebody who's inexperienced.
                I will definitively consider that but they have to have a DA60+, over 60,000 backlinks (mixed with .edu, .gov, and PR8s/PR7s incoming links) and atleast 5 years old.

                If yours are only DA40 and are dropped, then I understand why you are getting them for $14 each. They aren't quality and will probably drop to a PR2 next update.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

                  I will definitively consider that but they have to have a DA60+, over 60,000 backlinks (mixed with .edu, .gov, and PR8s/PR7s incoming links) and atleast 5 years old.

                  If yours are only DA40 and are dropped, then I understand why you are getting them for $14 each. They aren't quality and will probably drop to a PR2 next update.
                  Hey Gear,

                  You want me to post the list of sites where you placed links for a client of mine?

                  Obvious I can't do that as it's confidentional but I will digg it up and ask the client if I can send it to some long term members here so they can give their opinion on it.

                  The PR break down after the latest update (she bought the pr3-pr7 package)

                  4*PR0
                  1*PR1

                  Nice business you got going there.

                  Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      It's hard finding the good ones. It is easy to spend $10k on one domain for your network.


      What the junk are you talking about? I can't tell the last time I ever have seen an auction hit $10.000. I build networks, buy for people, do research constantly hours each week and thats pure bunk. You can get PR7s for round a $1,000 or if you really do your research and know what you are doing you can get for half that. I picked up a PR7 a few weeks ago for around $300

      Update content on each blog in your network daily
      Again wrong. Content does NOT have to be updated each day. Millions of sites never get updated even in a week. You only need to update if you are in a hurry for all your links to be indexed because if you go say a week and google sees no changes they may be slow to come back - but once a day is horse feathers.

      Another invaluable tip I will give you is 301 redirect your 404 page to the homepage of each blog. Naturally there was inner pages linked to from back when it was something else, don't lose that link juice
      Better to recreate the page

      If you are starting a network then go all in. Don't half ass it. Expect to spend atleast $20,000 TO $50,000 to start and hire a full time virtual assistant... networks are not cheap or easy to maintain so they stay safe from getting deindexed or lose rank and lose authority.
      Again your numbers are completely ridiculous and I can only guess since you sell links you are trying to scare people away from building their own networks. Spend at least $20.000????? That could easily give you 20 PR7s which is way overkill for what most people would need. Someone could buy two Pr6s and still get some serious juice. They could then link to 4 or five other sites keeping their OBl low and create several PR4s. Using internal pages and good navigation they could create PR 5 interior pages of that juice as well. In other words they could create a viable network for many serps for a thousand or less. they then would need nothing but to use something like CMS commander to manage their wordpress sites and for diversity use simpleCms to update their HTML sites all from one login.

      NO VA needed.

      I really have no idea what you are talking about and I have now trained about 200 people on building networks. I know of none of them that spent $20,000 to start.
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      • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post



        What the junk are you talking about? I can't tell the last time I ever have seen an auction hit $10.000. I build networks, buy for people, do research constantly hours each week and thats pure bunk. You can get PR7s for round a $1,000 or if you really do your research and know what you are doing you can get for half that. I picked up a PR7 a few weeks ago for around $300



        Again wrong. Content does NOT have to be updated each day. Millions of sites never get updated even in a week. You only need to update if you are in a hurry for all your links to be indexed because if you go say a week and google sees no changes they may be slow to come back - but once a day is horse feathers.



        Better to recreate the page



        Again your numbers are completely ridiculous and I can only guess since you sell links you are trying to scare people away from building their own networks. Spend at least $20.000????? That could easily give you 20 PR7s which is way overkill for what most people would need. Someone could buy two Pr6s and still get some serious juice. They could then link to 4 or five other sites keeping their OBl low and create several PR4s. Using internal pages and good navigation they could create PR 5 interior pages of that juice as well. In other words they could create a viable network for many serps for a thousand or less. they then would need nothing but to use something like CMS commander to manage their wordpress sites and for diversity use simpleCms to update their HTML sites all from one login.

        NO VA needed.

        I really have no idea what you are talking about and I have now trained about 200 people on building networks. I know of none of them that spent $20,000 to start.


        Lol i really just came to this thread to watch Mike crap all over people...

        I was not disappointed =)

        A PR 7 for 10,000....Good gravy
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          I know right.....

          @Mike...

          Will you be here all week? Should I tip my waiters and waitresses?

          Seriously, I have LOLed this much in a while...thanks!!!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by seofloyd View Post

            Will you be here all week?
            That was weeks ago mate where you been? Presently working on adding a drummer (for rim shots) and a magic monkey opening act.


            Should I tip my waiters and waitresses?

            Why do you have both? You one of those guys that buys PR6s for $12,000 for the fun of it or something more freaky?
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      • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I can only guess since you sell links you are trying to scare people away from building their own networks.
        Says the guy trying to get people to pay you to teach them how to build a network. If networks are so cheap and easy then why can't you buy them cheap on sites like flippa? People should be pumping these blog networks out like a Ford car on an assembly line to flip...

        Maybe you can find the rare opportunity to find a PR7 for $1,000 if you invest every second of the day for months looking. Better off spending your time playing the Lottery, better chance of winning the jackpot.

        As for your PR7 for $300, I can find those all day long for $25 from people in India selling them. They are 13 days old and have 0 backlinks. Lol

        Anyhow, I'm not getting into a pissing contest on a message forum with random 'self proclaimed' forum members about "how great they are", "how much better their networks are", and "this is the right way because I say so" .. I like to spend my time ranking and maintaining my websites so they preserver that #1 spot in Google

        Best of luck to you and your blog network training services
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

          Says the guy trying to get people to pay you to teach them how to build a network. If networks are so cheap and easy then why can't you buy them cheap on sites like flippa?
          My word..............Who builds a network from buying domains on Flippa? Gear seriously you really have no idea what you are talking about. Its funny you put down my course and then say something like that that demonstrates you need it. Flippa predominately sells domains for owners looking to get top dollar for their sites. You can't compare that to the domain aftermarket for expiring domains from registrars. Ask anyone on here who knows networks. Flippa is not where you go to build one.
          People should be pumping these blog networks out like a Ford car on an assembly line to flip...
          Sheesh Gear...people invest in networks to rank not to flip and those who do are going to want top dollars so no wonder you are paying through your teeth.

          Maybe you can find the rare opportunity to find a PR7 for $1,000 if you invest every second of the day for months looking. Better off spending your time playing the Lottery, better chance of winning the jackpot.
          Sheesh again Gear. there are at least four major services that will show you all the PR7s available in a week and it takes about 30 minutes or less. Again I have no idea what you are talking about. IF you think its some lotto to get a PR7 for a thousand dollars then run free in your imagination. Now Pr7s and up are in relatively short demand compared to Pr6 and even more Pr5s but you will generally see at least 5-10 good ones a week. Now half the time they will be bid up and or not worth it because of weak link profiles but its nowhere near winning the lotto kinds of odds and good PR6s go EVERY SINGLE WEEK for under a thousand so you are waaaay overpaying.

          As for your PR7 for $300, I can find those all day long for $25 from people in India selling them. They are 13 days old and have 0 backlinks. Lol
          ROFL. You even over pay for domains with no links then.
          the domain in question has Pr 6 AND UP links from an old education project that will be on the books for the next ten years and other links that refer to it on old pages. Your barking upo the wrong tree. I teach people how not to buy domains based on PR but existing links so you have no clue if you think I would buy a domain for $300 with no links.

          Anyhow, I'm not getting into a pissing contest on a message forum with random 'self proclaimed' forum members about "how great they are"
          No you just are into trying to scare people off from building their networks while self proclaiming how great your network has been built so they will rent yours forever instead of owning their own.
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          • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            My word..............Who builds a network from buying domains on Flippa? Gear seriously you really have no idea what you are talking about.
            This conversation is getting ugly. To save moderators from getting annoyed and shutting down the entire thread, I will gracefully bow out of the conversation. I can only comment on the methods I use that works flawlessly for me and my clients. Hopefully the OP and anyone else who considers to make their own network to take all the factors into account. My guess is if blog networks was so easy and cheap, then everyone and their brothers would be doing it. One thing we can all agree on is blog networks are one of the best SEO methods to rank for competitive keywords.

            Best of luck to you and your blog networking training courses.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

              My guess is if blog networks was so easy and cheap, then everyone and their brothers would be doing it. One thing we can all agree on is blog networks are one of the best SEO methods to rank for competitive keywords.

              Best of luck to you and your blog networking training courses.
              Gear to clarify and clear the air. Its not that easy to do and its not cheap but its just not THAT expensive. Those numbers are just waaaayy out. I have been knee deep in this its pretty hard for me to believe anyone easily pays $10,000 for a domain much less thinks - based on what I don't know that its common place

              You have my apologies if I am wrong but those numbers just come across as a scare tactic or a way to inflate the value of links being sold. Its not a personal thing at all. I just can't for the life of me gather where you are getting those numbers from when I have not seen a $10,000 domain very often at all (frankly I can't recall any in the last 6 months though I guess there might have been). By the way plenty of people are doing it. Nearly 200 that I know of personally. The amount of people getting into their own networks has been responsible for the dramatic rise in prices. Two years ago you could get PR4s for well under a hundred dollars (very good ones too with lots of links) now you very easily pay two and half and much more (especially on godaddy where it can become the wild wild west) and its because of its popularity in SEO..

              I don't have anything against you paying $5500 for a Pr6 - its your money. Its just when you tell people that that is common place its not accurate. That and the fact that you don't have any point in bringing up what I sell when you are selling the alternative to people building their own network - Buying links on networks such as yours. That would stand to influence you far more than me.
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              • Profile picture of the author gearmonkey
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Gear to clarify and clear the air. Its not that easy to do and its not cheap but its just not THAT expensive. Those numbers are just waaaayy out. I have been knee deep in this its pretty hard for me to believe anyone easily pays $10,000 for a domain much less thinks - based on what I don't know that its common place

                You have my apologies if I am wrong but those numbers just come across as a scare tactic or a way to inflate the value of links being sold. Its not a personal thing at all. I just can't for the life of me gather where you are getting those numbers from when I have not seen a $10,000 domain very often at all (frankly I can't recall any in the last 6 months though I guess there might have been). By the way plenty of people are doing it. Nearly 200 that I know of personally. The amount of people getting into their own networks has been responsible for the dramatic rise in prices. Two years ago you could get PR4s for well under a hundred dollars (very good ones too with lots of links) now you very easily pay two and half and much more (especially on godaddy where it can become the wild wild west) and its because of its popularity in SEO..

                I don't have anything against you paying $5500 for a Pr6 - its your money. Its just when you tell people that that is common place its not accurate. That and the fact that you don't have any point in bringing up what I sell when you are selling the alternative to people building their own network - Buying links on networks such as yours. That would stand to influence you far more than me.
                I've been doing this for two years and have yet to find a PR7 for $1,000... If I ever do, I will feel like I just won the lottery jackpot. Guess how much this one just sold for sciencedebate2008.com - How much would you value that domain at?
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

                  I've been doing this for two years and have yet to find a PR7 for $1,000... If I ever do, I will feel like I just won the lottery jackpot. Guess how much this one just sold for s-----------.com - How much would you value that domain at?
                  Well

                  A) don't know and don't care because if you say you spend $5.000 on a domain then its obvious that some people drastically overpay because they don't know what they are doing. Yes I am presuming that is the case with that domain because that has been your argument. So showing us tht there are people who overpay would make no point.

                  B) I would have to check the backlinks and I would except for C

                  C) I don't believe in what you just did and would ask you to reconsider and remove the reference. Its easy for me and you to put that up as a sold domain for everyone to look at and expose their domain and links because we didn't spend a dime on it but If I paid any good money for a domain I would not want it talked about in a popular forum putting my domain I just paid good money for at risk.

                  The questions however in fact is pointless. Who of us can't go over to Flippa and find some ridiculous buyers paying thousands of dollars for a site with no links and no income? The thing that you need to do and cannot do because its not true is show that PR6s normally go for $5,000 by people who know what they are doing.

                  I will give you a tip though- Godaddy is a LOUSY place to buy PR5 and up domains. If thats where you look (thats where your example was sold) then its no wonder you think finding a PR7 for a thousand dollars is like winning the lottery. there is a trick to finding them and occasionally buying them but it suits no purpose of mine to tell it. PR6s I will however mince no words about. Theres no way anyone should pay $5000 for a PR6

                  NEVER EVER. Not to build a network.

                  It makes no sense whatsoever since the deindexing of one domain would mean the loss of $5,000. Occassionally I do see domains get run up on Godaddy (like I said before Godaddy is the wild wild west sometimes but even so I don't see that kind of run up very often) and theres usually two justifications for it.

                  The link profile is deep or (the more legitimate reason) the site has many interior PR pages.

                  I'll take both issues and perhaps some people will learn something from it.

                  First the link profile is deep on a domain so I should bid as much as I can rationale.

                  Certainly you want to make sure that a domain retains its links and PR but what you must never lose focus on is the bang for the buck or the Quality links per dollar. Some buyers go crazy when they see a domain with lets say for example 100 high PR links (3 and up) and bid it up. However if you are going to bid it up to three times what a PR6 with 40 PR links goes then you are being a bit silly. I'd rather the 3 PR6s thank you (given that together the links are equal). As long as there is a good chance upon research that the links will stay in place and retain its PR SEO wise the three is better than the 1. My money site gets three votes from an authority page, I am better protected against deindexing and I end up with near the same juice. Theres also all kinds of things I can do with the two extra SEO wise. So all around the three is a better deal than the one

                  So that makes little sense as a reason to drastically overpay on a single domain (some extra bidding is understandable and rational)

                  What about interior pages causing higher prices rationale? That can be justified but ONLY if those interior page PR is a result CHIEFLY of incoming links to those pages and NOT from say the High Pr home page doing most of the link juice work. A lot of people just go after a site like this by doing a site:domain search not realizing that alot of the interior page PR can be duplicated anyway with the creation of interior pages. In fact in some cases using better navigation you will get MORE interior high PR pages

                  So in many cases that doesn't make sense either. IF there are highPR links coming in to that page then its justificiable but then you again have to wiegh that against buying a more reasonable price d set of domains and say using the money saved to buy another domain PR6 that could just as well link to an interior page or two.

                  Seeing as I can get Good pr6s for $500- or less for me to spend 5,000 on one would be ridiculous in just about ANY scenario for a PR6.

                  Goodness next time you would be better buying muliple Pr6s and redirecting one and then link some others to the first PR6 and you would come out better than spending $5,000 on one. Theres no economic justification for that overspending but to be honest I don't even believe you. Your $10,000 for a domain statement is just so waaay out there its not even credible. You might be telling you the truth but I am just explaining why I take objection to it. It just seems made up.
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      • Profile picture of the author RLavallee821
        Mike, you are the man. Enough said! Thanks for all the useful info.
        The one question I still have is this. You said:
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post



        Using internal pages and good navigation they could create PR 5 interior pages of that juice as well. In other words they could create a viable network for many serps for a thousand or less.
        Now can I link to multiple niche adsense sites I own from the same blog. For example if I own two niche sites about, lets say "skin tags" and "forex trading". Would it be a good idea to post 2 blog posts on one blog, one linking to "skin tags" and one linking to "forex trading". I feel that this wouldnt be a good idea because of the footprint. But who knows, maybe im wrong here?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by RLavallee821 View Post

          Now can I link to multiple niche adsense sites I own from the same blog. For example if I own two niche sites about, lets say "skin tags" and "forex trading". Would it be a good idea to post 2 blog posts on one blog, one linking to "skin tags" and one linking to "forex trading".
          People do it but in my opinion such drastically different subjects makes it down right obvious the links are bought. bear minimum i would put one on an internal page and be VERY creative how you bring up the different topic. the alternative is to do a three way link/guest post exchange which is another way of leveraging your network.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            People do it but in my opinion such drastically different subjects makes it down right obvious the links are bought. bear minimum i would put one on an internal page and be VERY creative how you bring up the different topic. the alternative is to do a three way link/guest post exchange which is another way of leveraging your network.

            Bad advice.

            Google has already called that out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Bad advice.

              Google has already called that out.
              Too silly. I already recommended against it but "Bare minimum" indicates if you are going to do it then thats how to do it and its not bad advice you just would need to have the creativity to pull it off. Google has not called out anything on creativity. You are making stuff up as usual.

              Could someone who was a forex trader have a blog where he complained he had a case of skin tags. Sure could very naturally. Personal blogs can refer to all kinds of things. However what I should have pointed out to the OP is that for building a network or for anything else its not worth it to build it for an adsense site because......wait for it.....

              Adsense sucks .

              It simply in most cases does not justify the cost of building a network and frankly simply linking to a a MFA jeopardizes a network regardless of cross niche linking.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Could someone who was a forex trader have a blog where he complained he had a case of skin tags.

                It's not cool to recommend people to do things that will work against them in the SERPs.

                Google knows relevancy, your not going to trick their algo. with irrelevant junk.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  It's not cool to recommend people to do things that will work against them in the SERPs.
                  Sorry Yuke. I know how hard you are trying to make some point stick because of other threads we have disagreed and you can't make a good point on but sorry no....relevancy is not determined by the domain or site level but the page.

                  So can a broker write about his experience with a disease on one page and then also write about his work on others? read a blog sometimes. Happens naturally and relevantly ALL the time and many of them rank very highly so your claim about hurting them in the serps is gibberish. You will have to find something else mate . The page about the disease can be highly relevant well researched and very natural.

                  its a funny thing about Imers and adsense guys - they think that the whole internet is based on keywords like they never come up for air (I guess with adsense guys they cant because if they do they won't make the extra 12 cents during the break ) . Hundreds of thousands of blogs are about people's lives and everything in it not just a single subject. Blogger that Google owns has quite a few of them too. Go figure.

                  your not going to trick their algo.
                  .

                  perhaps the ligh bulb is turning on. You can't trick Google with meaningless updates to titles automatically either
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                  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    ...relevancy is not determined by the domain or site level but the page.
                    I've found this to be the case too.

                    I recently bought a domain that was an old restaurant in DC. Because is catered for a lot of governmental organizations, it had a lot of .gov domains.

                    I bought it on GoDadddy Auctions, got it on some hosting, and put content about a make money online related niche.

                    And you know what? It ranked on 4th page for my target keyword.

                    I can't emphasize enough the fact that the old domain had nothing to do with making money online (obviously).

                    And I've replicated this a few times.

                    Remember:

                    Relevancy=on-page
                    Authority=off-page
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Bad advice.

              Google has already called that out.
              :confused: Are we saying now that if a site covers many topics that the back link is not effective anymore? I don't know but I have plenty of bookmark and review themed sites and they still work great to rank most of my clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author shg
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      It's hard finding the good ones. It is easy to spend $10k on one domain for your network. You can buy a few PR2s with low authority that won't do much good for around $60-$500 each. Also be sure to put your domains on different servers (different IPs) and make them private on Whois. Do NOT link your network together, ever!

      Update content on each blog in your network daily, but DO NOT use duplicate or spun content, EVER. Make each article written for the reader (approx 400-500 words) and do not re-use the article on any blog in your network. It is important to update your unique daily (DO NOT EVER USE DUPLICATE CONTENT).

      Another invaluable tip I will give you is 301 redirect your 404 page to the homepage of each blog. Naturally there was inner pages linked to from back when it was something else, don't lose that link juice, redirect it to the homepage. Also do proper onpage SEO to each blog so you don't lose link juice. Such as noindex/nofollow category, tag, author page, login, etc..

      If you are starting a network then go all in. Don't half ass it. Expect to spend atleast $20,000 TO $50,000 to start and hire a full time virtual assistant... networks are not cheap or easy to maintain so they stay safe from getting deindexed or lose rank and lose authority.
      Thanks for information but the investing money is depend on the webmasters so it is not necessary to invest so much...
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I cannot believe that a thread about building a network turned into this quibbling mess without Matt even being involved.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I cannot believe that a thread about building a network turned into this quibbling mess without Matt even being involved.
      LOL. Out of the two I know its the last part that bothers you most..
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    I am going to be writing a detailed blog post on this in the next couple of days. Here is a summary of exactly what i do to build a blog network:

    1) Use PR powershot to find pr4+ domains.
    2) Mass run all of the URL's through a backlinking software (I use majestic).
    3) Cherry pick the ones with lots of good backlinks.
    4) Watch them on Godaddy. Set out a price for each one (I am happy to pay $50-$100 for good Pr4 and pr5 names).
    5) Win domains. Add to SEO hosting.
    6) Add posts to the blogs and link to your money site with the exact anchor you want. (You can use auto tools to build up mass posts on them... i have 50-100 custom spun articles i stick on most of my blogs that read perfectly to humans... add images, videos etc... then link to money pages on your site).
    7) Build links to each one of your sites (Use whatever method you want.. i use a mix... blog networks... senuke etc).

    - Repeat.

    This is expensive but its how the big guys rank. You have 100 of these domains all with tonnes of links, age and PR and you will rank for anything. Couple that in with link buys, it basically makes you unstoppable.

    Its basically a push button strategy for buying rankings. Of course u need to do other things like build a diverse base of anchor diversified links so that you dont get penalties, but if you are spending this kind of money on stuff you know about that anyway.

    You could basically start up an SEO agency just doing this. Get clients. Spend all the money they give you on these domains. Make them rank. Then pocket the residual/retainer each month etc.

    You can also do stuff like buying aged pr domains, build a **** tonne of links to them related to ur niche, then 301 to a new domain you want to launch a money site on. This gives me near instant authority... ive done this about 10 times, its gone wrong twice, but its not the end of the world, you can just get rid of the 301 and go on starting from scratch.

    Shit, i should be charging $47 for this info, probably should not be spewing what ive learnt straight on to the warrior forum. Thanks becker lol

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Let's see, I also operate a private blog network and:
    - I pay no more than $25 in hosting and I can host multiple IP addresses from around the world
    - I pay nothing for private domain name registration
    - I get unique content dripped to all my blogs at random timing
    - I get PR3, PR4 and PR5 domain names at no more than $50 each. 95% of their PR stays after 2-3 months
    - I auto backlink every blogpost of each domain name using a software, all dripping backlinks

    In short, I spend no more than $100 per month maintaining my private blog network. So who's spending $10,000 per month?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Let's see, I also operate a private blog network and:
      - I pay no more than $25 in hosting and I can host multiple IP addresses from around the world
      - I pay nothing for private domain name registration
      - I get unique content dripped to all my blogs at random timing
      - I get PR3, PR4 and PR5 domain names at no more than $50 each. 95% of their PR stays after 2-3 months
      - I auto backlink every blogpost of each domain name using a software, all dripping backlinks

      In short, I spend no more than $100 per month maintaining my private blog network. So who's spending $10,000 per month?
      So in short you buy domains and then mess them up with some sort of auto blogging and crappy automated backlinks.

      Way to go!

      Oh well it's just $50 per domain uhhh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian_Mahaffey
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Let's see, I also operate a private blog network and:
      - I pay no more than $25 in hosting and I can host multiple IP addresses from around the world
      - I pay nothing for private domain name registration
      - I get unique content dripped to all my blogs at random timing
      - I get PR3, PR4 and PR5 domain names at no more than $50 each. 95% of their PR stays after 2-3 months
      - I auto backlink every blogpost of each domain name using a software, all dripping backlinks

      In short, I spend no more than $100 per month maintaining my private blog network. So who's spending $10,000 per month?
      what tools do you use to create and drip the unique content?
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    I'm really a noob to Private networks and buying expired domains, so one question:

    does the domain name matter when you buy them? Or do you really just go after the PR?

    (like ahsdgasd.com or cams4adults.com or seosumting.com or moarbaconnomnom.com stuff like that)
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

      I'm really a noob to Private networks and buying expired domains, so one question:

      does the domain name matter when you buy them? Or do you really just go after the PR?

      (like ahsdgasd.com or cams4adults.com or seosumting.com or moarbaconnomnom.com stuff like that)
      I would pass domain names like cams4adults and if you want to theme a site around a finance topic then I wouldn't take a name with "sports" in it or anything like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Isn't the relevancy also for a large part determined by the incoming anchor txt's, anyone did tests with that? Personally I had a PR6 domain and the articles that were highly relevant to the anchor txt didn't perform any better then other articles, which totally surprised me to be honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Isn't the relevancy also for a large part determined by the incoming anchor txt's, anyone did tests with that? Personally I had a PR6 domain and the articles that were highly relevant to the anchor txt didn't perform any better then other articles, which totally surprised me to be honest.
      It used to be. But Google has devalued relevancy passed via anchor text because it was so heavily abused and not an accurate way to evaluate a page's relevancy.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

        It used to be. But Google has devalued relevancy passed via anchor text because it was so heavily abused and not an accurate way to evaluate a page's relevancy.
        If that were true, then Adobe would not be ranking #2 for "click here" any more, but they are.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          If that were true, then Adobe would not be ranking #2 for "click here" any more, but they are.
          Forget number 2. number 1 is mighty interesting. I'll be putting that on my serp watch list

          but yeah anchor text links still do convey relevance. Its a mix of both.
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        • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          If that were true, then Adobe would not be ranking #2 for "click here" any more, but they are.
          Didn't say that they devalued it altogether. But it's definitely not as strong of a ranking factor as it was 2-years ago.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

            Didn't say that they devalued it altogether. But it's definitely not as strong of a ranking factor as it was 2-years ago.
            Yes it is.

            If they ever devalued anchor text the way you suggest, the SERPs would go through a MAJOR readjustment that would make Penguin and Panda look like nothing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Yes it is.

              If they ever devalued anchor text the way you suggest, the SERPs would go through a MAJOR readjustment that would make Penguin and Panda look like nothing.
              I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

              I've seen the influence of anchor text drop over the years to where it's a very, very minor relevance signal. Google has moved big-time towards co-citations and away from anchor text.

              Google doesn't need anchor text to tell them what a page is about.

              The SERPs don't lie: I've been ranking pages with almost 100% branded and URL anchors left and right....above competitors with lots of keyword anchor text. If it gave them that much of an edge I'd be at a huge disadvantage.
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