Owning a Private Blog Network

by GGpaul
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Sup. I was wondering for those that own a private blog network, do you ONLY go for PR 4 and above? I know they roughly go around $200 minimum and up to the thousands.

Or do you also invest into PR1's and PR 2's?
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  • Profile picture of the author xela
    I think it's better to diversify.
    Diversify everything. Google love this
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    Sup. I was wondering for those that own a private blog network, do you ONLY go for PR 4 and above? I know they roughly go around $200 minimum and up to the thousands.

    Or do you also invest into PR1's and PR 2's?
    Depends on the project and competition I'm building the network for. PR 2's and 3's are plenty for some niches. Others, you are going to need PR 4's and 5's to make a dent in anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    Sup. I was wondering for those that own a private blog network, do you ONLY go for PR 4 and above? I know they roughly go around $200 minimum and up to the thousands.

    Or do you also invest into PR1's and PR 2's?
    I would suggest stop buying domains from auctions and learn how to find expired domains. From there, it's just a matter of registering them for $10.. Hell, you can find $1 .com coupons. All of my PBN is from expired domains. Haven't spent more than $10 per domain.

    I don't go by PR, as neither should you. Here's some metrics for what I consider a BARE MINIMUM:

    30+ DA
    35+ PA
    3.50+ mozTrust
    5+ year age
    100+ LRD's

    The domain must have at least three of those points. Although, I'm extremely picky and I only want the best. For somebody building their first PBN, you can probably drop to two points.
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    • Profile picture of the author agapril07
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      30+ DA
      35+ PA
      3.50+ mozTrust
      5+ year age
      100+ LRD's
      this is a recipe for some weak networks in my opinion. Might as well just spam your tier ones be cheaper then building a network full of that kind of weak metrics.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

        this is a recipe for some weak networks in my opinion. Might as well just spam your tier ones be cheaper then building a network full of that kind of weak metrics.
        You see, you don't understand the metrics. You're used to seeing .wordpress.com blogs with high PA & DA. This is because the number is inflated due to the Root Domain. When we're talking in terms of typical TLD's (XXX.com), these metrics are considered premium.
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        • Profile picture of the author agapril07
          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          You see, you don't understand the metrics. You're used to seeing .wordpress.com blogs with high PA & DA. This is because the number is inflated due to the Root Domain. When we're talking in terms of typical TLD's (XXX.com), these metrics are considered premium.

          I assure you I understand the metrics quite well.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      I would suggest stop buying domains from auctions and learn how to find expired domains. From there, it's just a matter of registering them for $10.. Hell, you can find $1 .com coupons. All of my PBN is from expired domains. Haven't spent more than $10 per domain.

      I don't go by PR, as neither should you. Here's some metrics for what I consider a BARE MINIMUM:

      30+ DA
      35+ PA
      3.50+ mozTrust
      5+ year age
      100+ LRD's

      The domain must have at least three of those points. Although, I'm extremely picky and I only want the best. For somebody building their first PBN, you can probably drop to two points.
      When you re register long time dropped ones (as you pick them up for $10) then there's no reason to bother about the age as that gets reset at the re-registration of the domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author agapril07
    PR 2s and 3s are the bread and butter of high Pr networks. If you start stacking multiple PR4+ you are asking for a PR penalty.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

      PR 2s and 3s are the bread and butter of high Pr networks. If you start stacking multiple PR4+ you are asking for a PR penalty.
      I disagree entirely. Over 50% of my PBN is domains that are at least PR4. Are we talking about algorithmic penalties here or manual review penalties?

      If a Google employee reviews your PBN, having PR2-PR3 sites isn't going to save you. I also highly doubt that Googlebot looks at the PR's of the sites linking in to determine whether something "fishy" is happening.
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      • Profile picture of the author agapril07
        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

        I disagree entirely. Over 50% of my PBN is domains that are at least PR4. Are we talking about algorithmic penalties here or manual review penalties?

        If a Google employee reviews your PBN, having PR2-PR3 sites isn't going to save you. I also highly doubt that Googlebot looks at the PR's of the sites linking in to determine whether something "fishy" is happening.
        algo penalties not manual. Unless you are going to put in some serious dripping and mixing with spam profile or you are starting with an authority site, otherwise pointing a hanful of PR4s and 5s will sink a site in a hurry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
          Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

          algo penalties not manual. Unless you are going to put in some serious dripping and mixing with spam profile or you are starting with an authority site, otherwise pointing a hanful of PR4s and 5s will sink a site in a hurry.
          Then why am I ranking over 100+ money sites now for 2-years? I haven't been hit, and neither has any other Internet Marketer. Mixing with spam profile? What the hell are you talking about it. Authority site? My site's have 10-30 posts and have ranked #1 for 2-years.
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          • Profile picture of the author agapril07
            Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

            Then why am I ranking over 100+ money sites now for 2-years? I haven't been hit, and neither has any other Internet Marketer. Mixing with spam profile? What the hell are you talking about it. Authority site? My site's have 10-30 posts and have ranked #1 for 2-years.
            If you are honestly claiming that you are ranking sites with nothing more then 10 or so links all PR4+ and results are stable number 1 rankings. I will not argue with you. I will merely underline your claim and have it stand for all to see.
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            • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
              Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

              If you are honestly claiming that you are ranking sites with nothing more then 10 or so links all PR4+ and results are stable number 1 rankings. I will not argue with you. I will merely underline your claim and have it stand for all to see.
              Who says I have "10 or so" links? Where did you get those figures from?

              You're saying 30+ DA and 35+ PA are weak metrics for a PBN? You just posted a comment in another thread saying that 301 redirects aren't Search Engine friendly. You've instantly lost your authority in this thread, since you don't know what a 301 redirect is.
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              • Profile picture of the author agapril07
                Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                Who says I have "10 or so" links? Where did you get those figures from?

                You're saying 30+ DA and 35+ PA are weak metrics for a PBN? You just posted a comment in another thread saying that 301 redirects aren't Search Engine friendly. You've instantly lost your authority in this thread, since you don't know what a 301 redirect is.
                No I said nothing like that. I currently have over 100 redirects running to multiple domains for multiple reasons. I know what they are. You misunderstood what the person was asking.
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                • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                  Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

                  No I said nothing like that. I currently have over 100 redirects running to multiple domains for multiple reasons. I know what they are. You misunderstood what the person was asking.
                  He is moving the content over. He is changing URL's. He wants to salvage his page rank & authority. A 301 redirect is perfect in this situation, yet you seem to think otherwise? Your exact quote:

                  "The 301 only redirects the traffic."

                  301's only redirect traffic? Since when? Have Google changed the way they react to 301's? I better go fix my redirects quickly!!!!
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                  • Profile picture of the author agapril07
                    Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                    He is moving the content over. He is changing URL's. He wants to salvage his page rank & authority. A 301 redirect is perfect in this situation, yet you seem to think otherwise? Your exact quote:

                    "The 301 only redirects the traffic."

                    301's only redirect traffic? Since when? Have Google changed the way they react to 301's? I better go fix my redirects quickly!!!!
                    the distinction was between traffic and content. It doesnt move the content that why I said the traffic. If you run a redirect it doesnt take the content with it just the traffic. Seriously its not that hard.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                      Originally Posted by agapril07 View Post

                      the distinction was between traffic and content. It doesnt move the content that why I said the traffic. If you run a redirect it doesnt take the content with it just the traffic. Seriously its not that hard.
                      Obviously. But he doesn't need the 301 for the content, since he's already switched his new domain over via nameservers. Still, it's useless arguing here. Based on your previous posts, you look like a pretty rich millionaire ) I'm out!
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                      • Profile picture of the author agapril07
                        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                        Obviously. But he doesn't need the 301 for the content, since he's already switched his new domain over via nameservers. Still, it's useless arguing here. Based on your previous posts, you look like a pretty rich millionaire ) I'm out!
                        says the guy with the claimed $15k a month fishing lure...lol
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    WTH just happened.
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      WTH just happened.
      The same think that happens every night Pinky - someone tried to take over the thread

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      WTH just happened.
      I dunno but I am just happy to NOT be a part of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I was expecting you to be part of it cause you would tear someone's a-hole lol. All good I'll just continue watching your course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I was expecting you to be part of it cause you would tear someone's a-hole lol. All good I'll just continue watching your course.

      I don't know what you are talking about. I am one of the most agreeable people on this forum and never have debates with anyone. I'm about the quan - the love - nothing else.

      ROFL

      and yeah you have access to my course and forum and you come over here and ask these questions? Tell the fiance she ought to reconsider.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I don't know what you are talking about. I am one of the most agreeable people on this forum and never have debates with anyone. I'm about the quan - the love - nothing else.

        ROFL
        The only enjoyable part of the forums is debating. If everybody agreed and everybody said the same thing, where would the fun lie? It's all about spewing out facts & controversy until the point where the topic drifts off to talk about giraffes living in Zimbabwe.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          It's all about spewing out facts & controversy until the point where the topic drifts off to talk about giraffes living in Zimbabwe.
          Thats a load of garbage. Nothing is worth debating more than giraffes in Zimbabwe
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I don't know what you are talking about. I am one of the most agreeable people on this forum and never have debates with anyone. I'm about the quan - the love - nothing else.

        ROFL

        and yeah you have access to my course and forum and you come over here and ask these questions? Tell the fiance she ought to reconsider.
        HAHAHAH. I guess you talk about it in the later course =P.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    Or do you also invest into PR1's and PR 2's?
    From the point of market credibility I would have 0's, 1's, and 2's to add to the mix because that is how the internet is.

    I'd hazard a guess and state that less then 5% of the internet has a PR4 or higher.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      From the point of market credibility I would have 0's, 1's, and 2's to add to the mix because that is how the internet is.

      I'd hazard a guess and state that less then 5% of the internet has a PR4 or higher.
      I personally don't bother taking anything less than PR3. It's not worth it for me. I highly doubt Google's algorithms detect what PR sites are linking in, and then penalize for that. They can't just penalize because a website is popular with authorative sites. As for a manual review, their going to shut down your whole network regardless of what PR your PBN is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by squadron View Post

      From the point of market credibility I would have 0's, 1's, and 2's to add to the mix because that is how the internet is.
      Bleh you can use some yes but to go out and buy Pr1s is just a waste. I've seen PR1s that were created with a few blog comments. PR2 and up for me and seriously most my auction buying is PR5 and up.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuybrushT
    I'd definitely include lower PR ones as well, just for diversity's sake, but as a sidenote, be prepared for a lot of headaches, managing even a smaller blog network can be a huge sink of time, money and energy, and sometimes it's just not worth it.

    But if you manage to utilise it and profit from it, it can be your most powerful asset in your SEO arsenal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by GuybrushT View Post

      I'd definitely include lower PR ones as well, just for diversity's sake, but as a sidenote, be prepared for a lot of headaches, managing even a smaller blog network can be a huge sink of time, money and energy, and sometimes it's just not worth it.

      But if you manage to utilise it and profit from it, it can be your most powerful asset in your SEO arsenal.
      I agree. My PBN is around 70 sites large, all PR3-PR7 and it's a right ball ache managing it.. Not to mention the content that you need for each new money site... But, well worth it I spose!
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Here is what i do:

    - I snipe PR domains using a tool.
    - I look at trust flow (majestic), DA/PA, Linking root domains, total links.. i then look at link sources. I have nabbed sites with links from BBC, Dell, Harvard, CNN, wall street journal and more.
    - I also look for PR.
    - I watch the domains.
    - I bid at the last couple of minutes. (I am sure people go round looking at the domains that have 1+ bid). Dont show your hand early! Auction bidding 101.
    - I put on my own class C.

    I am getting PR3 domains for $12-$50 depending on links. Pr4 domains for $20-$100 depending on links and how much value i see in them. Not all PR domains are created equal.

    I then build links to them to boost them.

    I then link to my money site.

    I then kickass. Buy 50 of these and you can pretty much rank for anything you want, apart from most competitive terms.

    I will probably put out a detailed guide and charge $37 for it at some point. I duno, i am too busy actually ranking and building my SEO empire to do it i think :-/

    Source: 5-figure month affiliate in casino/betting/poker/slots/bingo etc.

    Thats how you do it, thank me later
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  • Profile picture of the author kakucis
    I have hundreds of blogs I use for SEO but when I am buying domains I look for domain with PR2-5 but the main thing for those domains is to have a lot of backlinks. Sometimes domains I bought as PR2 are bumper to PR4 because of Good links and some PR5 are demoted to PR2.

    So make sure you research these domains based on other factors that just PR, otherwise PR update will kill the value of your domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    You can do a lot of damage with just PR3s. I will buy a PR2 if I think it's solid, but there seems to be plenty of PR3s to go around.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Why did I buy an effing exhaust and new wheels for my car *sigh*. Could have invested all of that into a powerful private network for myself -_-.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirkusleeu
    Just going for the higher PR domains will not look very natural. If it is not natural the flags start going up at Google and you can say good bye to your rankings. Spread it out logically. A few stronger ones (PR4 and higher) and loads in the PR2 and PR3 range.
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