WHAT ABOUT BAD SEO Clients?

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You hear all the time about bad SEOs.

Bad SEOs are offering worthless services, failing to deliver on their internet marketing promises, polluting the search engine results-well, a lot of bad things.

But how much ever gets said about bad SEOs' spiritual counterparts: bad SEO clients?

Do you had some of those clients.. Please share your story with us to allow us learning from your mistakes.. )
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  • Profile picture of the author spujap
    Bad Client - I've seen in some fiverr gig review or elance rating (don't remember exactly) that a client asked a SEOer to provide login details of competitor's hosting for which he gave -ve feedback.

    Personally, I never had any bad experience providing SEO services. When you are good to all, expect same from others. One thing is that you should not talk technical with all your clients, rather explain them how they want it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    As an SEO, I can see things from the other side of the table.

    You see, despite trying hard to make it clear I’m a good, ethical, results-oriented, smarter marketing, white-hat SEO, I have gotten no end of inquiries from bad prospective SEO clients.

    Sure, no one who gets cheated is ever entirely to blame, and some cheated businesses are entirely blameless.

    But the bad SEOs would have too small a market to stay in business if it weren’t for almost-as-bad clients. )
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  • Profile picture of the author GamingOn
    I have had a client that did not pay me for work $100.

    I did his work it was just some SEO tasks and stuff easy peasy.
    He asked for a report I didn't make one but he only asked after 1 week was up.

    I didn't get paid and could do nothing he was a lawyer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jok3rNik
    Now Bad SEO Is Known As Negative SEO For Competitors
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    First, let me make clear what I mean by “bad” SEOs.

    Bad SEOs are bad because they either do unethical things to get e-marketing results, or because they consistently fail to deliver results. A good SEO delivers results and does it without trampling over other people’s rights (like submitting automated comments to their websites or trying to get good sites de-indexed).

    A bad SEO client, in turn, is someone who will only be satisfied (albeit temporarily) with a bad SEO. Because they refuse to consider ethical web consultants or smarter marketing strategies, they are creating markets for the e-marketing charlatans and black-hats.

    There are two basic types of bad SEO clients: crooks and fool–oops, I mean, ethically challenged and judgmentally-challenged.

    This is my view of terms... you can point your opinion about it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

    But how much ever gets said about bad SEOs' spiritual counterparts: bad SEO clients?

    Do you had some of those clients.. Please share your story with us to allow us learning from your mistakes.. )
    I promised myself I wouldn't be posting too much in the coming months due to the general crappiness of this board recently but this is a good thread.

    I think a number of people would think that as long as you make payment you can't be a bad client but thats false. The following things make for a bad SEO client.

    1) Clients with illogical expectations

    Basically those who want to rank yesterday no matter how much you tell them going in it was a long term project of at least a few months. I recently dealt with a few of them from WF. I could not have been more upfront and even have it in writing (chat and email logs) and yet sure enough they wanted to rank within weeks.

    2) Clients who buy the wrong package and then want to make the package they bought into something else

    In my case people who buy full SEO services from me and then proceed to try and make it entirely a link package. They discount entirely any on page or research you did for the site as not part of SEO and count only link building (like the other consultations and on page SEO work should be free). Again this is actually another WF phenomenon. I never enounter it with my business clients. they see the whole job as SEO. For people who sell mainly links the flip side are clients who then want you to do on page work or complain that their site did not rank when all they bought were links and their site actually stinks for proper SEO

    3) The put some lipstick on my Pig and make it into a beauty queen client

    there are alot of people out there that think that if they put together a site and then hire a SEO then its then the SEOs responsibility all by himself without them providing anything meaningful to make their financial dreams come true. You may even rank them and they will complain that they are not making enough money but chiefly because there business model just did not work.

    All three will eat up a lot of your time and make your work environment very unenjoyable if you let them.
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    • Profile picture of the author bradudan
      Hi Mike

      i have the same experiences as you are, or i should tell i had..

      Right now i have split my services in two exact domains : Tutoring and Link building...

      No guarantees specified in clear but Link building is a "what you pay is what you get " type so i have no problem ever since..

      I have less clients but i am more content .. and come at work with Joy.

      But if i tell you what "funny" requests i have had since Penguin despair..

      I haven’t gotten so many inquiries asking for out-and-out unethical services.

      Still, I’ve been asked about blog-spamming software and other shady internet marketing tactics a couple times. A colleague shared this gem with me: “Have you thought about just scanning a book from the library and using it for web content? Or is that too high-risk?” (Seriously, someone asked him this.)

      Of course, judging from the amount of comment spam and SEO-motivated hacking on the web, there is plenty of demand for this stuff.

      Mike i guess i just have made a mistake , pointing out those ideas in here ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        Right now i have split my services in two exact domains : Tutoring and Link building...

        No guarantees specified in clear but Link building is a "what you pay is what you get " type so i have no problem ever since..(
        I am almost the exact opposite. I DO have a guarantee but it is not a link building service but full SEO. I guarantee ranking within 6 months (if I don't then then the client gets a SEO network from me worth the price paid out). What I find is that a few people from WF find that very hard to grasp because they actually are only looking for links not full SEO. They have a commodity idea about links while for me the provider treating my links as a commodity is the most dangerous thing I can do. They know I have an High PR network that is very exclusive and figure they will sign up for SEO just for the links. They then try and turn into a "I pay so much so I want so many links show me where they are" service although I stress I am about rankings not links rom day one.

        There are people right now reading this that don't understand the difference however its exactly the opposite in the business world. Companies care about where they are ranking not how many links they are getting.

        My funny story client recently? Guy wanted to know if he still had to pay if I ranked him faster than the 6 months (like I should b penalized for doing it faster) and then wanted to know why he should not get both the rankings and the network I promise if he does not rank. Thats like asking to keep and use a product and still get the money back guarantee.
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        • Profile picture of the author bradudan
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I am almost the exact opposite. I DO have a guarantee but it is not a link building service but full SEO. I guarantee ranking within 6 months (if I don't then then the client gets a SEO network from me worth the price paid out).
          Mike , i perfectly agree with you (i agree with you most times !!why is that?)
          , i have my own pn that helps me bring them up.

          But that service is for clever clients , let's called them Good SEO clients, and i show them url's and links to those articles and also they noticed a incresing in Serp's. I know it is a kind of risky but ... i gotta deliver "full report", you know what i mean..

          They want you to work hard for money they gave , this is medieval concept but it is real...

          Sometimes i can reach nr 1 in Google on some small niches with 200 $ but ...they will say it is too simple and i am a scammer.. so i ask them for 1000$ ( ) Creepy, isn't it?

          A much larger group of bad SEO clients are simply those who insist on putting themselves in the way of fraud. Yes, that's right: I'm blaming the victim. Someone who goes looking for a $5 gold watch can't cry too long if the watch turns out to be fake or hot. With SEO, there are a few more nuances, but it's the same essential idea.

          The overwhelming majority of these judgmentally challenged souls are private individuals whose only business is the business-in-a-kit variety. Yet they are also sometimes representatives of actual successful companies.

          The real businesspeople tend to be quicker to let their misconceptions go (after all, they can afford the real SEO alternatives), but not always.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

            But that service is for clever clients , let's called them Good SEO clients, and i show them url's and links to those articles and also they noticed a incresing in Serp's. I know it is a kind of risky but ... i gotta deliver "full report", you know what i mean..
            The real objective is ranking and yes I will give you links on my network but look if you are paying under $1000 a month some even less than $500 and you want me to give you a list of where my sites are that are worth more to me than what you paid then move on to another SEO. A real company will not care what the link locations are if they see a serp rise in less than 60-90 days. Lets be honest here some of these clients if they dont rank number one in 30 days will turn around and look to the disavow tool with the list you gave them because some guy on a blog or a WSO told then to do it.

            What I have encountered when briefly offering SEO services at prices people here can afford is that some of them LOVE the exclusivity of my network UNTIL they sign up and then they want me to act like all the other rental networks and put all their links out there within weeks and report to them the locations if they can't see them. Not happening. WHy should it? The clients that pay over a thousand a month don't care to look at all the link locations (they don't have the time they only care about results in serps) so why should I risk my network for a guy that pays a third? go back to the SEnukeXcr blaster service you just came from.

            Rankings over links is a huge difference with internet marketers over real business owners. WSO sellers and software developers of blasting tools has a lot of people looking at links as a quantity commodity.
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonB
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          There are people right now reading this that don't understand the difference however its exactly the opposite in the business world. Companies care about where they are ranking not how many links they are getting.
          Really no need to say anymore after that above!

          Its really simple.... I will give you a link building report within 2 weeks and your on page 3 and move on, or I will put you on page 1 with no report...

          Which report do you want?

          WTF?
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      • Profile picture of the author kakucis
        Originally Posted by bradudan View Post

        scanning a book from the library and using it for web content(
        Well actually I know few very popular websites (Alexa between 10-50k) that has subdomains or category with a content which is taken from books. One of those websites has around 600,000 such pages scanned and hidden inside the entire structure.

        You can't access these pages by browsing their web but Google have indexed most of these pages and all of them are pointing to important parts of the website.
        All content is scientific with very specific terms.

        Probably there are thousands of such websites but I know a few in health, finance and hosting related niches. Needless to say that all sites I am aware of are authority sites in their niches.
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  • Very interesting thread. Before I became a CIO I was a management consultant and dealt with all three issues. Generally clients don't know what they want and have no clue about what is involved but since they are holding very important positions they don't want to acknowledge their ignorance of the issue. Those few years were nightmarish so when one of my good clients offered me a job I jumped at the chance. I made half the money but slept like a baby.
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  • I have had my share of bad clients. They expect WAY to much for paying so little. Also they NEED to know where their backlink is..... and i say... no the HELL you dont! All you they need to be concerned about is there rank increases, thats its.

    good thread btw
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    Yes Mike... you got it right again..

    But those Good clients that pays 1000$ per month are few. As a matter of fact i have 2 of them. The rest is 100-300$ per month .

    This are the majority of all clients. So i develop all kinds of services .... from Private network ( with amazing results), from social pyramids, xrumer blaster ( but i tell them on sale page that is on their own risk) , directory submissions ( this is the best sold ), professional writing services.... etc...

    All seo field. I always recommend my tutoring service to explain those clients the importantce and big diferences between them but what the hack : in this field everybody knows what they want!!

    So i do What you pay is what you get services and they are satisfied. Some of the very smart ask me to make the strategy and got the best results .. But they are just a few unfortunately...

    The ambitious but cheap client: “I’d like to get to the top of Google for the keyword, ‘mortgage’ so I can turn over $100,000/month in revenue. I can spend up to $1,000.”

    The Adsense-is-my-business-plan client: you wouldn’t believe the numbers of inquiries I get from people who only plan to make money off Adsense or other on-site advertising-they don’t even have a plan for getting repeat traffic, nor do they have content to synergize with the SEO effort. By buying promotional services, they would essentially be buying advertising in order to make money off advertising-you see where that could be a problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    Another way of looking at it: why wouldn’t I just create a site myself and keep all the profit from my efforts?

    In fact, most SEOs do have their own project sites, which are often monetized by Adsense. The money we could otherwise get from Adsense is one very low baseline for pricing our services.

    Legitimate SEO clients are typically selling goods or services at a profit rate that works out to ten or more times what they could get from Adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    A few people I know started an SEO company in my country and they outsource all of it to me. We made an agreement that local businesses, like profession + city will cost 199 euro ex VAT/month. 50% is for me and the clients are allowed 6 keywords. Pretty much comparable to my $99/month service on this forum.

    Now yesterday he comes up with a story that he closed a deal with a company for 10 nation wide keywords and I am like what the hell, that's not the agreement and he go's like yeah but otherwise I couldn't get this client and since we are new in the market we have to do some extra.

    Yeah right, 10 nation wide vs 6 local keyword, just a slight difference uhu. Very bad SEO client!

    About clients from this forum I don't run into much problems really, sure there is a good % that doesn't rank well with their crappy sites but it seems they know it their selves as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author bradudan
    I have given a little deep taught about those bad seo clients and i got another 4 stereotypes up :

    SEO-Starry-Eyed Clients: “Search engine traffic is definitely the best way for me to get pet-sitting clients in my tiny Himalayan village.”

    The Little-Knowledge-Is-a-Dangerous-Thing Client: “Don’t tell me about keyword research, content, anchor text, or natural linking strategy, just get me the PageRank (or links, keyword density, or whatever the fad is).”

    Gullible-and-Not-Letting-Go Client: “I know of at least two services that will submit my site to thousands of search engines for $29.95. If you can’t do that, I’ll take my business elsewhere.”

    I-Will-Never-Trust-SEO-But-I’ll-Consider-It-Anyway Client: “No one can guarantee a good search engine ranking so this is all pointless-I’ll just go with that $29.95 search engine submission package someone just emailed me about. At least it’s cheap.”

    Do you have these types ... if not i can borrow a few... )
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  • Currently i do not have any 1000+ clients but i have a number of smaller clients. Since the updates my business has really sunk. Out of all the clients i have had i only had one guy that really PISSED me off. Apparently he knew more about seo then i did lol. So when i asked him why cant he do seo for his own site then? He didn't like that at all. i got a $600 charge back very shortly after.
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  • Profile picture of the author kmanbloquet
    These are great stories, they have really taught me a lot. I am just in the beginning stages of my SEo career, I have been doing it for only about 2-4 years now. I have had a few clients who backed out of contracts just as we had finished negotiating. I find that when it comes time to pay up some people "change". I think a common SEO misconception is that you can get results immediately.
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    • Originally Posted by kmanbloquet View Post

      These are great stories, they have really taught me a lot. I am just in the beginning stages of my SEo career, I have been doing it for only about 2-4 years now. I have had a few clients who backed out of contracts just as we had finished negotiating. I find that when it comes time to pay up some people "change". I think a common SEO misconception is that you can get results immediately.

      Never ever do seo work for free. I don't care if you have a "contract" written up.
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