What are you guys doing?

by ilee
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I've been thinking of reasons why so many people do so badly in internet marketing and my conclusion is that I think you're all brainwashed!

I don't think it's an unfair statement that the average person that get's into internet marketing or "making money online" has more of an entrepreneurial spirit than those that are content with working 9-5 and not working towards a business. Why is it then that as soon as people get into the industry, they start copying the same old "business" strategy in building websites. It doesn't take a genius to realise that if enough people follow the same rule, the market will be saturated by duplicates.

If you start a business offline, you'll constantly be thinking of new ideas, or new strategies to give you the edge that not many other people have done before. Why would it be any different in an online environment?

The reason is that most people on here have been brainwashed into thinking there's a golden formula to make money on the internet. They don't realise that IM is a social science. Each traffic count you get isn't just a number, they're equivalent to someone walking into your brick and mortar shop and looking around. Until you understand how the "traffic" thinks, and what they're looking for, you don't stand a chance in hell competing with people that do understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

    I don't think it's an unfair statement that the average person that get's into internet marketing or "making money online" has more of an entrepreneurial spirit than those that are content with working 9-5 and not working towards a business. Why is it then that as soon as people get into the industry, they start copying the same old "business" strategy in building websites. It doesn't take a genius to realise that if enough people follow the same rule, the market will be saturated by duplicates.
    Actually, I think this is the problem. Most of the people that start in internet marketing are sucked in because of promises of it being easy to make money online, not because they have an entrepreneurial spirit. They are looking for handouts and easy money.
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Actually, I think this is the problem. Most of the people that start in internet marketing are sucked in because of promises of it being easy to make money online, not because they have an entrepreneurial spirit. They are looking for handouts and easy money.
      Fair point, but I think that the fact that they're looking online to make money and venturing into an area that is unknown to them means this group of people are more entrepreneurial than an unemployed group solely looking to get employed.

      If I take an engineer's career path as an example. They get exposure into the industry throughout their academic life, this might be from their physics teacher, math's teacher, parents, and later on, possibly university lecturers.

      A typical IM beginner though, probably hasn't had that much exposure making them choose this as a career path, they've looked outside the realms of academic teaching and found something that they think could work. Everything they're learning, they're learning themselves. They're not being pushed into it by anyone, and they're not afraid to delve into uncertainty.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisj9ball
        I think it is more complex than that. The thing is most people think it's easy to start a internet business without understanding the complexity of the internet,and how much work is involved.

        Most people fail at the internet, because they give up,cashflow,wrong niche,fear,hardwork,bad information. Cashflow is the problem in most cases. People think they don't need alot of money to start a online business,which is kinda true,but you have to pay some money at some point.

        Most people don't take into account there overheads,like websites,internet fees,electric,tax,.as well as length of time it takes for money to come in.It's harder than most people realise.

        But it can be done with little money,but you will be working 12-15 hours a day,writting,videos,updating,social media, it's time consuming,keeping track of whats going on,and where you want to get too, and in the end you will get there.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaluuu
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Actually, I think this is the problem. Most of the people that start in internet marketing are sucked in because of promises of it being easy to make money online, not because they have an entrepreneurial spirit. They are looking for handouts and easy money.
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Ok, how about this...

      I think internet marketing attracts the lazy more than the hard-working. And that is why most people fail at it.
      The Truth...

      People getting in IM hopes for making money and to do nothing.

      I have a lot of buddies that tried the IM and they left it after 2weeks-1month max, once they started to get a good impression of what it is.

      Anyway its a free world, and everyone should do what they want to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Ok, how about this...

    I think internet marketing attracts the lazy more than the hard-working. And that is why most people fail at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author kaytav
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Ok, how about this...

      I think internet marketing attracts the lazy more than the hard-working. And that is why most people fail at it.
      Yes.. You can say that. Most people think it would be easy making money online and will require less efforts. Eventually they understand what Internet Marketing is and one has to work hard and smart to make money. This could be the reason why most people do badly in Internet Marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    I failed for a year before I got anywhere. And here's why:

    People claim to make thousands with Adsense & Amazon, so I tried. I made one website, wrote 50 posts, got nowhere.. Wondered why I failed. I discovered Fiverr, bought Scrapebox and blasted links at my site. Kept writing posts & failed. My site then got deindexed.

    After reading more, I took a slow approach. Still failed. Made $0. I have never bought a "make money online" program because I'm never sucked into them (I prefer to learn from doing, and not being taught).

    In the end, I made it all after developing my own strategies. And, I think that's the point you're trying to make. People need to stop buying saturated products that expose weak business models & start developing their own businesses.

    There's a reason people sell products, and it's mostly because there's more money to be made selling the product than there is keeping the business to yourself.

    If I went out and sold my own custom-made Amazon theme, amazon product review template, my Wordpress plugins for high clickthroughs to Amazon etc.. My profits would TANK in 3-months, because readers would be used to where the ad placements are and so forth.

    It's always best to build your own business - and don't worry if you TRY and FAIL. Richard Branson, one of the richest men in the UK, tried & failed for years before he made his first dime. Now, he's a billionaire. (In fact, he failed to make a penny for 5-years).
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    You mean to tell me that if I just turn my computer on and click my mouse a few times like all those sales videos tell me, $100 bills won't come spitting out of my cd slot?

    I feel duped...
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Anyways back to being kinda serious.

    I have a particular model I'm profiting from and I shared bits and pieces with people Im in masterminds with (well mostly noobs in there). Part of model was using paid traffic.

    So when I said I didn't expect to be in profit until almost 2 months in, it got really quiet in there. lol

    People don't get that true success comes when you treat it like a real business. And most times you have to invest (lose) money in the early going before you start seeing profits.

    Just like real businesses. Only the best part about what we do online is the investment is nowhere near what it would be for a regular brick and mortar business.

    Try opening up a franchise and let me know the costs are.
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  • Profile picture of the author shipwrecked
    Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

    I've been thinking of reasons why so many people do so badly in internet marketing and my conclusion is that I think you're all brainwashed!

    I don't think it's an unfair statement that the average person that get's into internet marketing or "making money online" has more of an entrepreneurial spirit than those that are content with working 9-5 and not working towards a business. Why is it then that as soon as people get into the industry, they start copying the same old "business" strategy in building websites. It doesn't take a genius to realise that if enough people follow the same rule, the market will be saturated by duplicates.

    If you start a business offline, you'll constantly be thinking of new ideas, or new strategies to give you the edge that not many other people have done before. Why would it be any different in an online environment?

    The reason is that most people on here have been brainwashed into thinking there's a golden formula to make money on the internet. They don't realise that IM is a social science. Each traffic count you get isn't just a number, they're equivalent to someone walking into your brick and mortar shop and looking around. Until you understand how the "traffic" thinks, and what they're looking for, you don't stand a chance in hell competing with people that do understand.
    Mate, you're absolutely, positively 100 % right!

    Think of it: what aren't we doing in online marketing?

    The key to success is quite often what we're not doing!

    Don't follow the crowd, don't doe what everyone else is doing.

    I also think that Google is well aware of the typical patterns. If you have the exact same patterns as everyone else, then you are less likely to succeed!

    Good luck everyone in starting to do what you haven't been doing!

    Be original, unique, fresh, new!
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    I cant be bothered to have this argument, i gave up reading...
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  • Profile picture of the author coolseek
    You don't have to lose money before you start making money. If someone knows how to write articles, and the person is hard working, the person can start writing and submitting articles to revenue sharing sites like Hubpages, squidoo, or Wizzely. If you check some people that post their monthly income, you would see that.

    The only thing they have to learn is keyword research which is free on the internet to find. Then when they start making money, they can outsource the article writing. I don't know their history, but I think Erica Stone or Pot pie Girl didn't fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by dreamcube View Post

      You are right... if you want to replace exchanging your time for money (a job) with exchanging your time for money (still a job)... you can make money on your time. However, if you want to venture into finding and autopilot income, which is what most people are looking for, then you are going to have to spend money to test what works. Either way it takes sacrifice.

      Nobody new to IM is going to spend money & just walk away, while earning money. Finding a decent person to outsource the work can be more time consuming than actually doing the work yourself.

      Look at Flippa, a lot of those buyers get burnt because they have money in hand, think they'll buy an existing site, & then do nothing after the sale. A lot of sold Flippa sites don't even exist now.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    The lazy statement is a touchy issue. I do feel like there are a lot of lazy people who come on this forum, but I think there are a lot of lazy people everywhere.

    Take for instance my brother. Many people think he's a hard worker because he works 9 hour days 6 days a week. But they don't understand how lazy he actually is.

    Then I have another brother who works 4 hour days, 3-4 days a week doing sales, and is NOT what I would call lazy. Because when he's not working, he's always busy/being productive.

    So laziness is sometimes really hard to define. Theres been times in my life where I was lazy because I couldn't accept the fact that I hated my job. In fact, marketing is probably the only thing I'm passionate about when it comes to work. Which is probably why I'm always working. I think a lot of people on here just don't want to be honest with themselves. They love money more than they love marketing, and ironically, they wind up making less money because of that.
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