Negative SEO

14 years ago

This is why panda #24 is strong an shaking urls to the ground

Eventually updates will keep SEO inconsistent for "Everyone" to get a shot at "Page one" rank and Invest more on Adwords, youtube etc.

Example:

Mr. www.woodenchairs Dot Com says "boy I think I want to hire Negative SEO to Greed more money for me even if I hurt them... Pays $1000, 3 weeks later Boom Site drops...

Google Says Panda 7,000 Update Boom next month your ranks are gone too.

At least how things are going now..

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LloydMS

14 years ago

Never heard of a company actively promoting negative SEO before. A real shame. Definitely not something I'd consider. It's one thing to be grey or even black hat, it's another to start using negative SEO tactics.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by LloydMS

Never heard of a company actively promoting negative SEO before. A real shame. Definitely not something I'd consider. It's one thing to be grey or even black hat, it's another to start using negative SEO tactics.

Fiverr has been doing negative SEO for a while, only they call it regular SEO.

Tomato, Tomatoe.

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DannyO

14 years ago

What are they doing to get someone knocked off? I've always thought the large players were fairly insulated....I know what I would do...as it's been done to me...but to do it repeatedly and long term...

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gearmonkey

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DannyO

What are they doing to get someone knocked off? I've always thought the large players were fairly insulated....I know what I would do...as it's been done to me...but to do it repeatedly and long term...

Ask JC Penny if "big players" can be knocked off.

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Nicky Papers

14 years ago

Why not just do regular SEO and outrank your competitors? Call it whatever you want, it's all the same at the end of the day. You can be competitive, get results, and "do the right thing".

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challanger

14 years ago

yup you can do negative SEO to knock down your competitor but the question is do you really have that much time and money to do that?????????

You can hire someone for this to knock down one competitor... But in reality you have plenty of competitors against each keyword :-D

So its better to invest in ethical SEO not negative SEO..............

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Michael Sutanto

14 years ago

just focus to your website and give value to your reader. Don't waste your time and money.

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kaytav

14 years ago

Killing your Competition is really good. But have to have a close look on it. Negative SEO should not kill your website

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treasurehunt369

14 years ago

I don't think negative SEO does really exist, if it does all of them will start building spam back links to their competitor websites. Google also knows this and hence I do not believe that they will support such a thing such a thing. Low quality back links are simply not considered by Google or they will give zero weight and that's it. Once upon a time, even low quality back links use to help in getting better search engine rankings but later on, now that is not the case. Google is giving weight to back links that has value, which resulted in millions of websites losing their rankings for most of their keywords.

The websites lost rankings because the weight of their back links has become zero or low. This is not negative SEO. If you build low quality or spammy back links to your competitors, they are simply ignored.

I do not consider myself as an expert in this field, this is just my opinion, which I have learned from my experience

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bhuvananichi

14 years ago

Never heard of such information before. Confused ?

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myassouline

14 years ago

I am interested, though, if anyone has updated information
Negative SEO is something much talked about right now (see: SEO Book in Negative SEO for instance)
Anybody has more hints and clues?

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Heart Cardio

14 years ago

I too have never heard of negative SEO. I have only heard about blackhat, whitehat and organic.

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Rocket web

14 years ago

If you can knock someone off, couldn't they knock you over also? It sounds really unethical.

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GetMoreCustomers

14 years ago

Originally Posted by treasurehunt369

I don't think negative SEO does really exist, if it does all of them will start building spam back links to their competitor websites. Google also knows this and hence I do not believe that they will support such a thing such a thing. Low quality back links are simply not considered by Google or they will give zero weight and that's it. Once upon a time, even low quality back links use to help in getting better search engine rankings but later on, now that is not the case. Google is giving weight to back links that has value, which resulted in millions of websites losing their rankings for most of their keywords.

The websites lost rankings because the weight of their back links has become zero or low. This is not negative SEO. If you build low quality or spammy back links to your competitors, they are simply ignored.

I do not consider myself as an expert in this field, this is just my opinion, which I have learned from my experience

Low quality backlinks aren't simply ignored. If Google indexes a backlink, they pay attention to it, whether it's a contextual link on a PR 5 article or a blog comment on a 1000+ OBL autoapprove, ScrapeBox spammed blog.

Negative SEO exists. The simple fact that Google gives link penalties is absolute proof that negative SEO is possible. Now, whatever service that is is most likely garbage which won't produce any real negative SEO results (serves you right for bad "SEOmanship!", but with the right strategies it's indisputably doable.

Originally Posted by Rocket web

If you can knock someone off, couldn't they knock you over also? It sounds really unethical.

Of course they can.

In general, mentioning negative SEO in a positive manner (or asking for negative SEO advice) is the easiest way to get flamed on an SEO forum.

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MsHeart

14 years ago

I would not do this out of respect for others who have worked hard on their site.

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MktCoach

14 years ago

Quite apart from the utterly unethical business model - enough to disqualify that company 1000% in my eyes - their "guarantee" is based on what is almost certainly a myth.

In all my years and testing - right up to date - I haven't found any conclusive proof that negative SEO exists. In the sense that they mean it, anyway.

This said - you CAN screw your site by spammy-linking and spammy content, but that's a different story to knocking your competitor out. Or, to put it differently - your competitor would have to ALREADY SUCK at SEO for your spam-linking to have the desired effect.

If, on the other hand, their SEO is solid and their authority and trust rank well-established, there's no amount of bad linking that would derail them. OK, I never tried to do that to anyone, but I know of people who have tried to do this to other - well established and trusted - sites.

They failed.

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DABK 14 years ago

A month later, the link in the OP message takes me to:
Website Unavailable - By Arvixe

What happens to the guarantee?
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GetMoreCustomers

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MktCoach

Quite apart from the utterly unethical business model - enough to disqualify that company 1000% in my eyes - their "guarantee" is based on what is almost certainly a myth.

Let me ask you one question-

If Google penalties exist, how can negative SEO not exist?

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The Ideas 14 years ago

Hope you might have heard of Online Reputation Management. Negative SEO is similar to this.
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MktCoach 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GetMoreCustomers

Let me ask you one question-

If Google penalties exist, how can negative SEO not exist?

A year or two ago I've spent many months trying to ascertain this. I've tested dozens of sites and approaches to work out Google's "scoring system". Things MAY have changed, but I somehow doubt this. If I'm wrong, then you should be able to bring down any of the big companies you don't like. Meanwhile as you can see, the big boys are still on top and don't tell me someone's not trying to undermine them!

As for Google "penalties" - that's a question of interpretation and, as far as I can tell, Google doesn't actually specify what exactly do they mean by "penalties". Most people assume "negative" points. I instead assume "very low points".

So, if you assume that a low-level backlink is worth, say, 1 point, then a "negative SEO backlink" rather than being worth "minus 1", may be worth, say, 0.001 points.

In this manner, all sites which have healthy links will zoom ahead of the one with the bad links, but only because they have more points - not because any points have necessarily been ducked.
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neha12

14 years ago

Just after coming on and understanding this thread, I can say this one is really big challenge for Google, how to keep quality website and best services providers on the top.

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wiseme11

14 years ago

forget about the negative SEO...How many competitors can you knock down ?
Be Positive in your white hat SEO service provider. The real seo pro will know the game
for your rank. Nagative SEO is just another SEO provider advertising game.

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kaytav

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mmresources

I just got an email with a company selling negative SEO, they guarantee to knock any competitor site off in Google. Has anyone had any experience with companies like this? I've heard of negative SEO in the past, but this is the first time I've been solicited for such a service.

This is the URL (not mine, not affiliate, just sharing):

Kill Your Competition

I would be real curious if anyone has any information on this, as if you can knock off sites within Google with negative SEO that's huge....

In the email, did they mention that they do Negative SEO?

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13 years ago

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13 years ago

Negative SEO is for people that can not win without cheating.

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dennis09

13 years ago

Yeah negative SEO is real, but only works when the site in question has a weak profile to begin with. SWIM has taken out many thin affiliate sites in the SERPS. They rise for some time and then drop like the fat chick on a seesaw.

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chg

13 years ago

Doesn't take much money to throw garbage links at a competitor to take it down... question is, are you strong enough to withstand the same being done to you?

That's the market we are in folks! Play nice or get ready!

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ChristianSites

13 years ago

Ask them to target a Google or Amazon site, on a trial basis. That should be fun.

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Concepteurs

13 years ago

Hi folks,
Negative SEO is bad for everyone. So keep calm and stick with organic/ white hat seo which boost your business for long time and help you increase your transparency. So, I recommend white hat SEO each and every one who is related to this post.

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Moneymaker2012

13 years ago

This is a crime, if you don't get caught. You always will have a fear that somewhere your competitor will be doing the same for you.

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natebunger

13 years ago

For me, negative SEO should not even be given thought. It's more efficient to focus on making improvements to yourself rather than focusing on your competitors and bringing them down. They could be doing the same thing to you and you can just ask yourself what should you do once this happens. Instead of being busy with your competitors, focus more on yourself and make improvements.

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huntsman

13 years ago

This is total fake. They just create some bad reputation post share and video for the target url , and post them. Nothing else. This is truly unprofessional.

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netanel23 13 years ago

Originally Posted by huntsman

This is total fake. They just create some bad reputation post share and video for the target url , and post them. Nothing else. This is truly unprofessional.

What? This is negative SEO, removing your competitors from Gogole. Not spamming bad stuff about them.

Negative SEO does work. If I can get a link penalty I can do the same thing to my competitors by building links like I did in the past and get them penalized.
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A S M

13 years ago

If a site doesn't have a good backlink profile then you can pretty much destroy them by blasting spammy backlinks to them .. you can get like 10-20k spammy backlinks within a couple of days for 50 dollars or so .

On the other hand, if your competitor is strong and have thousands/millions of backlink, don't waste your time... invest that money for better SEO or building your own PBN

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avinash198

13 years ago

I m hear about negative SEO and the company who give this service.Thank you so much for this info, in future i will be aware towards this type of company's and about negative seo.

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lasersec

13 years ago

I did not here about negative SEO, but after read this post i get latest things to me. Thanks a lots to share your thought.

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nicktyler

13 years ago

Negative SEO does exist. My site started to loose rankings and I got the message in WMT. Found loads of dodgy spam links pointing to my site in such a way as it couldn't be a coincidence (there were many other 'coincidences' pointing to negative SEO as well). Someone had done it on purpose. Lots of work and disavow tool later and the rankings came back provign it was those links that did the damage.

Problem with a company that is willing to do this and openly solicit it is that after they have done the deed, they might just ring your competitor and say "we have noticed that someone has attacked your site and rankings, by our research it was (your company). We can fix your site and retaliate in kind for $xxxx" then they just turn the links to point to your site. How can you trust a company with such questionable morals.

Not to mention the obvious fact that you may be able to can your competitor but another will just fill its place and you will have wasted your time and money.

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udyotsolutions

13 years ago

Better we spend time and money on ranking our own website and it will be automatically negative SEO for competitors.

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