Too many backlinks too fast?

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Hey all. I was just curious if getting too many backlinks when a site is first launched would result in an old fashioned Google slap. I am going to be launching a site soon, and had some ways to get more backlinks, but was worried that too many would be a bad thing. Any thoughts? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    Originally Posted by mathius23 View Post

    Hey all. I was just curious if getting too many backlinks when a site is first launched would result in an old fashioned Google slap. I am going to be launching a site soon, and had some ways to get more backlinks, but was worried that too many would be a bad thing. Any thoughts? Thanks.
    Getting tons of backlinks over a short amount of time THEN stopping is what you need to worry about

    Trust me, you can blast a brand new site with 60K links a day as long as your consistant.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andylinks
      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Getting tons of backlinks over a short amount of time THEN stopping is what you need to worry about

      Trust me, you can blast a brand new site with 60K links a day as long as your consistant.

      I find the WHOLE of your post quite astonishingly riveting, the only problem is it's completely wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
        Originally Posted by Andylinks View Post

        I find the WHOLE of your post quite astonishingly riveting, the only problem is it's completely wrong.
        Why is it wrong? That same method has been used by me and my team countless time since both the Penguin and Panda update.

        It's only wrong if you don't know what your doing. Like I say, I've done it countless times.

        Now, whilst I don't make a habit of it, the times I have done it have been either case studies OR tests.
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        • Profile picture of the author Niko A Berezkin
          Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

          Why is it wrong? That same method has been used by me and my team countless time since both the Penguin and Panda update.

          It's only wrong if you don't know what your doing. Like I say, I've done it countless times.

          Now, whilst I don't make a habit of it, the times I have done it have been either case studies OR tests.
          And just what kind of links are you referring to exactly here?
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      • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
        Originally Posted by Andylinks View Post

        I find the WHOLE of your post quite astonishingly riveting, the only problem is it's completely wrong.
        Actually he's not wrong at all as long as you tier the links and remain consistent.
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        • Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

          Actually he's not wrong at all as long as you tier the links and remain consistent.
          It becomes very confusing for a newbie like me to choose the right way when there are so many different opinions. :confused:
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      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Getting tons of backlinks over a short amount of time THEN stopping is what you need to worry about

      Trust me, you can blast a brand new site with 60K links a day as long as your consistant.
      Not to sure I agree with this. The only way of getting this amount of natural links is if your website goes viral. The black hat method would be to use xrumer or scrape box and blast a load of crap at it. Low quality crap. Wouldn't matter how long you kept blasting the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
      Originally Posted by deltahost View Post

      So the quantity of links is not a matter?
      OK, I shouldn't have said what I did since the people reading this thread probably wont know enough about SEO to do what I just said.

      When it comes down to it, it's about specific link types.

      For beginners, stay as white hat as possible, build links slowly but steadily.

      If you have a brand new site, you want link diversity, but mainly you want social signals, some socials bookmarks and a handful of blog comments (dont go crazy).

      Carry on with the above until you see the desired results which will depend on numerous things such as competition for said keyword and so on.
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      • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
        Josh is right and I sustain my words with some tests I made. In the same time if you offer an advice to a beginner is better not to mention it

        For my new projects, I usually start getting BL after 2-3 weeks. 1k backlinks without pinging them should be ok as long as they come from 2-3 different methids ( web 2.0, social boomarking, blog comment and so on)

        BUT remember to be consistent in the next months.
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      • Profile picture of the author dalegolden
        Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

        but mainly you want social signals, some socials bookmarks and a handful of blog comments (dont go crazy).
        So social bookmarking is recommended by you. There are hundreds of social bookmarking sites where I can submit my site but I have heard that they are full of spam and submitting my site on them can hurt my ranking.:confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Niko A Berezkin
          Originally Posted by dalegolden View Post

          So social bookmarking is recommended by you. There are hundreds of social bookmarking sites where I can submit my site but I have heard that they are full of spam and submitting my site on them can hurt my ranking.:confused:
          Actually there's thousands... and I would rate bookmarks as some of the safest links you can submit to.

          Stay away from AA comments and junk forum profiles... those are dropping sites like rocks these days. Even Facebook pages get slapped hard following blasts with those links.
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          • Profile picture of the author Larry Leggett
            Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin View Post

            Actually there's thousands... and I would rate bookmarks as some of the safest links you can submit to.

            Stay away from AA comments and junk forum profiles... those are dropping sites like rocks these days. Even Facebook pages get slapped hard following blasts with those links.
            Staying away from all kind of auto approve blogs is a very good idea. Looks like you are recommending social bookmarking while many of the marketers does not like bookmarking now a days.

            Do you prefer bookmark your money site? or bookmark your tier 1 authority page backlinks from blogger, wordpress, squidoo, hubpages etc?
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            • Profile picture of the author Niko A Berezkin
              Originally Posted by Larry Leggett View Post

              Staying away from all kind of auto approve blogs is a very good idea. Looks like you are recommending social bookmarking while many of the marketers does not like bookmarking now a days.

              Do you prefer bookmark your money site? or bookmark your tier 1 authority page backlinks from blogger, wordpress, squidoo, hubpages etc?
              I bookmark every url I possibly can. Money Site and Tier I's get high PR, Tier II's get everything.

              I remove any XXX or gambling related domain names from my lists. Never had any issues from bookmarks, only rankings...... great way to introduce a solid anchor diverse backlink profile to your site.
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      • Profile picture of the author VideosByIvy
        Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

        OK, I shouldn't have said what I did since the people reading this thread probably wont know enough about SEO to do what I just said.

        When it comes down to it, it's about specific link types.

        For beginners, stay as white hat as possible, build links slowly but steadily.

        If you have a brand new site, you want link diversity, but mainly you want social signals, some socials bookmarks and a handful of blog comments (dont go crazy).

        Carry on with the above until you see the desired results which will depend on numerous things such as competition for said keyword and so on.
        Thanks I was just wondering about that!
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    • Profile picture of the author JensonChong
      Originally Posted by deltahost View Post

      So the quantity of links is not a matter?
      Quantity of links is matter but it depends on competition. You also have to maintain natural aspects of SEO.

      Building links in the same quantity and in the same method with the same keyword won't help.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrshark4
        You can get as many backlinks as you want as long as its consistent. What alot of people tend to do is send thousands of backlinks one month and maybe hundreds the next month. You dont want to end up with a "spikey" seo plan. you want to make sure you are always sending more backlinks than the month before so you gradually increaseing your backlinks every month. If you are a newbie and dont have a clue how to do seo either do your research and find out how to do it or outsource people from websites like odesk and freelancers or if you have the money goto a seo company that offers whitehat seo as most of the companys will do your seo for you and will do it for 6 to 9 months and will send you out monthly reports
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  • Profile picture of the author sanusense
    I think you just need to work on the high quality backlinks rather than tons of low PR backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
      Lower quality backlinks can be useful if they are pointing to 1st tier.
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  • Profile picture of the author franktwin
    Low quality links equals = No Value, Honestly I would not waste my time.. especially if you are buying them in bulk... My video ranks number one.. "How to get Free FaceBook Fans" out of 1.2 million results and I certainly did not get there by low quality links...

    How I did it? .... You Ask....
    Powerful Link Wheel... Create One Page on a High Authority Site Like... Blogger, TypePade, Squido...
    etc... and keep building links towards it in High PR Sites (especially bookmarking sites)..
    Took me only 2 months and about 150 links..

    Cheers...
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    • Profile picture of the author Niko A Berezkin
      Originally Posted by franktwin View Post

      Low quality links equals = No Value, Honestly I would not waste my time.. especially if you are buying them in bulk... My video ranks number one.. "How to get Free FaceBook Fans" out of 1.2 million results and I certainly did not get there by low quality links...

      How I did it? .... You Ask....
      Powerful Link Wheel... Create One Page on a High Authority Site Like... Blogger, TypePade, Squido...
      etc... and keep building links towards it in High PR Sites (especially bookmarking sites)..
      Took me only 2 months and about 150 links..

      Cheers...
      And how many purchased views :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author franktwin
        Originally Posted by Nikita A Beriozkin View Post

        And how many purchased views :rolleyes:
        LMAO... None.. I don't believe in purchasing anything in bulk... except for food...hahahh :p
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      Originally Posted by franktwin View Post

      Low quality links equals = No Value, Honestly I would not waste my time.. especially if you are buying them in bulk... My video ranks number one.. "How to get Free FaceBook Fans" out of 1.2 million results and I certainly did not get there by low quality links...

      How I did it? .... You Ask....
      Powerful Link Wheel... Create One Page on a High Authority Site Like... Blogger, TypePade, Squido...
      etc... and keep building links towards it in High PR Sites (especially bookmarking sites)..
      Took me only 2 months and about 150 links..

      Cheers...
      And you needed 150 tier-1 links, right? Did you build tier-2 links also? If so, how and how much?
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  • Why would building the same amount of links every day/month look natural to Google? IF anything it makes it look unnatural. I would have thought pages get backlinks sporadically i.e. during a rise in popularity of a page, there may be a huge increase in links back to the page, but as the page interest dies down, links will come at irregular intervals, some days getting quite a few to many, and some days getting just a few to no backlinks at all.

    However, for those that use the same places to market every page they create to leverage the traffic those other sites have, I'm sure Google takes it into consideration and realizes that because of this some sites will have similar linking sources/patterns across all pages. Though too many and it becomes improbable that those links came as a result of trying to leverage those other sites.

    I'm not saying backlinks don't work, if you don't mind spamming the internet, because it's still the best metric to measure amongst other things that attribute to a quality link. Quality links need lesser numbers to beat a higher number of links, which is widely known by everyone, but unfortunately if you have a method in which to get as many backlinks as you want from places that are likely to never be penalized or deindexed by Google, then you can usually win eventually, which is sad. It seems a waste of time though, as you have no idea what Google is capable of deindexing or devaluing, it may just start taking it out on other WEB 2.0 sites, and that's a shame because it's a solution sought by many newbie marketers as a means of testing / getting their feet wet.

    It's also sites I use to leverage traffic they get, so many times my pages have similar linking patterns/sources, but not because I'm looking for backlinks, those are just a by-product of marketing my pages on these other high traffic sites, which is nice because it often helps my pages rank, which I have to admit.

    Anyway, to answer OPs question, no, too many wont harm your site, because Google realizes many sites can have spikes in popularity, and because it wont index all those links on the same day. However, too many of the wrong types of links WILL affect your site. These are links from sites or networks that Google has specifically targeted either via footprints or manual selection. This was proven right by a Warrior that did a test run on taking down a site with all the wrong types of links with great success. I can't remember who it was but he proved it could be done.

    But if I remember correctly, Google have since added a tool that allows you to add links that are pointing to your site for malicious reasons (correct me if I'm wrong?)
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    • Profile picture of the author PvPGuy
      Originally Posted by Bonita T Josephson View Post

      It becomes very confusing for a newbie like me to choose the right way when there are so many different opinions. :confused:
      Yup, but it doesn't have to be. Don't allow your mind to be tossed like a wave in the ocean by all the comments in forums, which are usually highly subjective. Find someone you can trust (verified results, actually does what they teach), and copy their method. Short of that, its about applied knowledge, and failing forward fast and furious.

      Conventional methods of backlinking still work, and you can, within reason, not worry about the number of links a new site will get (could see some google dance). Just keep in mind, more does not = better. Right now, conventional methods still work, but if you are relying on these methods without building quality links through real people interaction, then you are standing on a ladder that leans on a house of cards.
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  • Profile picture of the author Prowebstakht
    Dont Do Link Blasts-period! It is too dangerous!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by jacksarlo View Post

    How much you mean by too many?

    1000 backlinks in one day and nothing before or after = bad.

    30 backlinks on launch day is not bad because it can be possible.

    What does not look natural/real is bad. No site gets launched and 1000 people link to it instantly that why I say bad. Google understands it ain't possible that that happens in most cases so just don't get an unnatural amount. Make google think real website/real people are linking to you because your website is very good...
    Total nonsense right there. Sites get launched and attract a ton of new links right away from day one if they have good marketing behind them. I helped someone launch a restaurant last year. PR releases, TV spots, radio ads, newspaper ads and features, etc. All of that started hitting on launch day of their website. The site got tons of links right away. Then guess what? As the advertising slowed, so did the incoming links.

    Site is ranking fantastically today, 8 months later, even though the majority of the links came in during the first 7-10 days, and the link volume has now slowed to a trickle.

    You can find tons of other examples like this too.

    Google is not stupid. They know that sites launch and do all kinds of offline advertising that can bring in a flood of links from day one.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by jacksarlo View Post

      I said: "1000 backlinks in one day and nothing before or after = bad."

      The sites you mention keep getting backlinks don't just get 1000 on day 1 and then nothing for the rest of the entire month. Obviously sites can get a lot of backlinks on launch just like you mention but like others said you need consistency then... keep getting backlinks regularly.
      No. You are completely wrong. I have witnessed plenty of sites get a ton of backlinks right away, and nothing since. They are ranking just fine. Consistency is complete bullshit.

      The only people that need to build links "consistently" are low quality link builders. They need to keep building because they are "consistently" losing links almost as fast as they are creating them.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by jacksarlo View Post

        If you launch a brand new website, get 1000 links and then get not a single more backlink... that website 95% chance won't rank for any keyword (unless the keyword has 0 competitors).

        If the 1000 backlinks are pr 7 or above then it's likely you'll get a good jump in rankings especially for low competiing keywords but who is going to by all those PR7 backlinks (with $5000 budget)?

        Try to understand what I'm saying instead of raging...

        If you suddenly get a huge amount of backlinks in a day isn't necessary bad, but if your goal is to get top rankings for a keyword, you can't just rely on getting a ton of backlinks quickly. You should get backlinks regularly over time...

        Did you read a story or hear something what's your rage is all about?

        Are you telling warriors to spend a fortune getting a ton of links all on same day, sit back relax maybe go to the beach and expect high rankings??

        What op should understand is that he should start getting backlinks and keep getting them regularly until he get #1 ranks and even then keep getting backlinks you can never stop.
        I'm not raging. I'm just correcting misinformation.

        I am not saying that getting a bunch of backlinks and then doing nothing else is an ideal strategy. I'm saying that people that tell you that it doesn't work or that it could harm your rankings have no idea what they are talking about.

        People around here say all the time that getting links "consistently" is somehow natural. That is completely untrue. Sites get surges in links all the time.

        This whole thing about getting links consistently or not getting too many links to a new site is nothing more than a big fat myth.
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        • Profile picture of the author ilee
          Originally Posted by jacksarlo View Post

          If you want to get top rankings it's all about getting backlinks that I assume you agree.

          Don't you agree then that it's all about getting plenty of backlinks as often as you can... some backlinks every day! I aim for 15-30 every day that's what op should do, that's what I do.

          If instead he simple buys or gets someway a ton of backlinks say Monday, then takes a 7 day break I would recommend instead of that getting links every day getting links steadily seem to increase rankings even faster - it means more and more people are liking & linking to your website every day, it's popularity is increasing, etc.

          If you don't agree with me then np and op can simple ignore what I said.

          Thanks
          There's nothing more artificial looking than a website that gains 15-30 backlinks consistently every single day! If you studied the backlinking history of massive sites like facebook or whatever, you'll probably find that it'll be similar shape to an inverse tan graph. One person shares to 10, 10 shares to 100, the backlnks should grow exponentially, until nearly everyone has heard of it.

          You'll find that trends come and go. They are short lived, but when they're hot, they get A LOT of good links in a short amount of time. Are you saying that a site that gets really good quality, relevant, low obl pr 5 pr 6 links in 2 weeks but then stops will get penalized by google?
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          • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
            jacksarlo: this "consistency" thing is indeed a myth. There is nothing more UN-natural as getting "15 - 30 links EVERY day". This is not how life is, nor is the WWW (World Wide Web). Nothing is constant, not even the UNIVERSE.

            if the WWW (World Wide Web) was so consistent, then Google wouldn't be screwing us with these 500 yearly updates. If King Google is not consistent, then that tells you all you need to know as far "consistency" is concerned..
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by mathius23 View Post

    ... curious if getting too many backlinks when a site is first launched would result in an old fashioned Google slap.
    I'd suggest you get a handful of quality links (10 - 20), from sources like manual blog comments, forum signatures and a few articles, then build lots of links into those pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingAce
    Originally Posted by mathius23 View Post

    Hey all. I was just curious if getting too many backlinks when a site is first launched would result in an old fashioned Google slap. I am going to be launching a site soon, and had some ways to get more backlinks, but was worried that too many would be a bad thing. Any thoughts? Thanks.

    The best thing to do in any scenario is to make sure that you're doing a natural link building strategy, especially after the Google Panda/Penguin updates. You don't want to raise any red flags for Google to notice you in a spammy way.

    Just take your time with your link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    There are different results of too many backlinks. If the website is NEW, there is a chance 80-90% to be DE-indexed. If the website has a very high page and domain Authority and has more than 10,000 backlinks, building 1,000 backlinks in a SINGLE day is NOT so dangerous. And of course we shouldn't forget something VERY important: The backlinks could be built 1,000 in just one day, but Google will see them ONCE they got indexed (so most times the backlinks would be something like this: 50 today, 150 tomorrow, 200 the next day, etc.) // It depends on the website and the result could be different.
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
    Originally Posted by mathius23 View Post

    Hey all. I was just curious if getting too many backlinks when a site is first launched would result in an old fashioned Google slap. I am going to be launching a site soon, and had some ways to get more backlinks, but was worried that too many would be a bad thing. Any thoughts? Thanks.
    There wouldn't be any issue if you can keep up with that rate of building backlinks. Google just doesn't like a period of excessive backlinking, followed by a period of very little backlink building. Hope I helped!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      There are different results of too many backlinks. If the website is NEW, there is a chance 80-90% to be DE-indexed. If the website has a very high page and domain Authority and has more than 10,000 backlinks, building 1,000 backlinks in a SINGLE day is NOT so dangerous. And of course we shouldn't forget something VERY important: The backlinks could be built 1,000 in just one day, but Google will see them ONCE they got indexed (so most times the backlinks would be something like this: 50 today, 150 tomorrow, 200 the next day, etc.) // It depends on the website and the result could be different.
      That is the dumbest thing I have read today.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuybrushT
    If you avoid spammy backlinks, and more importantly remain consistent in your linking efforts, I think you're on the safe side. Just don't stop building backlinks. A steadily increasing amount of backlinks is very beneficial (you can check it in Ahrefs).
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    Have a WBC match at 143lbs!! vs Panda or Penguin.... And win the tittle to be the strongest! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Quasha
    Quantity is a matter but it only valued with the quality one. You can make bunch of rubbish backlinks say 1000 which brings nothing for you but a few quality links can make you a benefiter. And for starting from my point of view you should start with a nominal range and you must continue. SEO is a daily process. It has no end.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    This whole deal with consistency blows my mind.

    In the real world, consistency seems like the most unnatural thing I can think of.
    People aren't consistent, cars, women, life, so why should backlinks be consistent?

    If you really think about it, the whole nature of the word "viral" implies massive inconsistency.

    So what if something from my website goes viral, and I get 10,000 natural backlinks in 1 week. Then the following week, because I'm not doing SEO, what happens? I get a slap?

    I don't buy it. I intentionally try to make my backlinks look inconsistent, because I believe in the real world, that will look most natural to google. Some weeks I'll do 20 backlinks, other weeks I'll do 200 backlinks. If I steadily built 100 backlinks a week, wouldn't that look MORE unnatural?

    I just don't understand this concept of "consistency" or how that makes things look natural. If anything, it seems to do the complete opposite.
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  • Profile picture of the author bewennick
    Reading the entire discussion was really a great and good one. Finally i found that you must continuously build link whether or not the links are of quality of not. But if we are building the quality backlinks then if will be easy for us to rank high our website easily.
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    • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
      Originally Posted by bewennick View Post

      Reading the entire discussion was really a great and good one. Finally i found that you must continuously build link whether or not the links are of quality of not. But if we are building the quality backlinks then if will be easy for us to rank high our website easily.
      Please read the discussion again, and again, and again until you get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author chrisv24
      Originally Posted by bewennick View Post

      Reading the entire discussion was really a great and good one. Finally i found that you must continuously build link whether or not the links are of quality of not. But if we are building the quality backlinks then if will be easy for us to rank high our website easily.
      Focus on quality. You'll end up with a penalty if you don't keep quality at the front of your mind
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    Think of it from a social side. Do websites that go viral have consistent linkage? No. They'll more than likely have a massive influx of links for a few days/weeks and then people will get bored and stop sharing it.

    Do some people actually think these sites will get deindexed because of that?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

      Think of it from a social side. Do websites that go viral have consistent linkage? No. They'll more than likely have a massive influx of links for a few days/weeks and then people will get bored and stop sharing it.

      Do some people actually think these sites will get deindexed because of that?
      Yes. Many fools actually believe that. Maybe not deindexed, but definitely a decrease in rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoosh Kashefi
    In general, the more backlinks the better since it acts as a "vote" for your site. But, when it comes to new sites to many backlinks can get you slapped.

    Tip to avoid this -
    Stay consistent and keep building backlinks, because a spike of backlinks per day to a new site is fine as long as you continue building that many backlinks everyday. It's after a month of getting 500 links per day, and suddenly dropping to 50 when things start to look funny.
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