Another Jan. Update Thread - Garbage sites on top again?

by TolyZ
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Well it's been 2 weeks now since "Panda refresh".
What a great job you've done google (once again).
Looks like all you have to do now is create a blog, post 500 word article an viola - you are on the first page for a competitive keyword.
(googlebacklinks.webs.com for example on the first page for the keyword "backlinks")
Oh, forgot to mention, your content is also have to be SPUN!!!! because that's what Google is looking for now apparently.
Oh, let's see what's ranking for "edu backlinks"?
purchasehighprbacklinks.blogspot.com/
buyseobacklinks.webs.com/
edubacklinksblog.blogspot.com/
qualityedubacklinks.blogspot.com/

Quality at it's finest.
Same goes for medical field etc.

WTF GOOGLE!!!! I'M SICK OF THIS SH*TTY, WORTHLESS UPDATES ALREADY!!!
They just need to kill SEO all together and make people pay for the rankings I guess, since that's what looks like they already doing by knocking down authority sites and filling the results with this SH*TTY 1 page sites.
#garbage #jan #sites #thread #top #update
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Those are two SERPs that Google probably doesn't give a flying crap about.

    And I hope the "edu backlinks" SERP keeps all kinds of trash on page one. People selling EDU links are only one step above people selling profile backlinks when it comes to being the absolute lowest scum of the IM world.

    Bottom line is bad results have ALWAYS existed in Google. This is nothing new. Nobody has access to enough data to determine if it is happening more often or less often since Google introduced Panda and Penguin. For some people, in their little IM niche bubble, it may look like it is happening more often, but in the search engine as a whole, there is no way to say definitively if the updates have made things better or worse.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

        Forgot one more thing, since we are in "Let's call each other out" mood ... Let's look at your "SEOPUB" website and your "Not Spammed links".
        You b*tch about "Spammed links", but yet that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU USE TO PROMOTE YOUR SITE:
        Example:
        Pro Loco Castelmezzano Guestbook
        Actually, I've never hid from that. I do all kinds of spamming on that site testing things out. Never really tried to rank for anything serious on there.

        You can find tons of spammy links there. I'm running a spam campaign on it right now testing out a link building tool. There's no way to learn anything if you are not testing.

        When it comes to my own stuff, I use all kinds of stuff to test what works, what doesn't, and what Google is on the hunt for.

        I would never use any of that kind of stuff for client's sites though. Big difference.

        I would also never expose a site I care about in a signature link on a forum like this.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Those are two SERPs that Google probably doesn't give a flying crap about.
      I wish google would stuff more crappy serps when it comes to crappy
      searches.

      I've said this for friggon' years here, and I mean YEARS:

      A) You people have way too much time on your hands to be doing silly searches.

      B) When you do silly searches, you get silly results.

      C) You think real people care.

      Me? I've made 3 times on adsense today than I did yesterday. I'm rockin!
      Spent 2 hours this morning promoting like a mutha. Now, that's the way
      I spend my time.

      Problem with Mike F., Yukon, et. al., is that they are under the false assumption,
      that if they tell the truth enough times, this stuff will go away. Fat chance!

      I'll tell you what. What should happen, is that when one does a google search
      for edu backlinks, google takes whatever they can to trace the fool, and
      deindexes any sites that may be associated with him. That person is
      obviously looking to shmooze google.

      Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

      Here is what I'm seeing exactly on ALMOST EVERY NICHE
      If you look into top30 results it consists of 60% - 80% GARBAGE!
      I doubt if that's true. What on earth are you searching for? I'd say 99.99% of the
      searches I do, for real things BTW, are pretty spot on. I am not searching for
      best wii games for kids with dogs.

      I think people here would be totally amazed at what people are searching for.
      Out there. In the real world.

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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I don't care as long as I'm #1.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    Do you think that kind of (usual) replies betwen Yukon and MikeFriedman is useful ?

    Sick and tired of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

      Do you think that kind of (usual) replies betwen Yukon and MikeFriedman is useful ?

      Sick and tired of it.
      No less helpful than the constant barrage of "Google sucks", "SEO is dead", and "the SERPs are all garbage" threads that pop up on here on an almost daily basis.
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      • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        No less helpful than the constant barrage of "Google sucks", "SEO is dead", and "the SERPs are all garbage" threads that pop up on here on an almost daily basis.
        Exactly, and how's about the fact that the OP has a sig showing that he is an SEO Company, well if that's the case surely he can deal with it. Oh yeah, and then there's his avatar which is "www.BuyBacklinksCheap.com", do I need to say anymore! :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

      Do you think that kind of (usual) replies betwen Yukon and MikeFriedman is useful ?

      Sick and tired of it.

      Why would I care about a blogspot that someone can't outrank, it's not my keyword & has no effect on several million/billion other websites trying to rank pages for different keywords. It's one guys keyword.

      Like already pointed out, OP is selling backlinks, but he can't beat out a blogspot that probably has a crap backlink profile (selling .edu links).

      Use your own super duper .edu links to rank your page, unless those super duper .edu links are useless.

      This is the ultimate fail thread for anyone selling SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Why would I care about a blogspot that someone can't outrank, it's not my keyword & has no effect on several million/billion other websites trying to rank pages for different keywords. It's one guys keyword.

        Like already pointed out, OP is selling backlinks, but he can't beat out a blogspot that probably has a crap backlink profile (selling .edu links).

        Use your own super duper .edu links to rank your page, unless those super duper .edu links are useless.

        This is the ultimate fail thread for anyone selling SEO.
        What can I say here Yukon? Oh well I agree I guess.
        Goodness knows what Paulgl wll say when he descends on this thread, I think I can guess what's coming though and it won't be pretty.
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    • Profile picture of the author Punit12
      Originally Posted by cagliostro View Post

      Do you think that kind of (usual) replies betwen Yukon and MikeFriedman is useful ?

      Sick and tired of it.
      Dear cagliostro,

      Google & all other big companies have a separate team which keeps track of posts &
      comments of top forum (through Automated application ) including social media platforms.

      They are always keen to hear what people are actually saying about them.

      So, According to me such threads are very important in conveying message to Google.

      Any imp view/suggestion/complaint that makes sense is being considered there.

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    Ooooookkkkk, so let's turn this thread completely around and blame it on the niche lol

    1st of all, do you see me b*tching about losing any rankings like 99% of people on here with sh*tty 2 page affiliate sites?
    2nd of all, buybacklinkscheap.com is my OLD website that haven't been updated in for ever and the only keyword it's rankings for is, well you guessed it - buy backlinks cheap lol.
    3rd My company has ACTUAL PHYSICAL OFFICES with in-house team for link building. (No India bs)
    4th Since when getting links from dofollow .edu wikis with private registration became "spam"?

    And finally ... WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MY BUSINESS HERE, I'm not trying to promote anything, I just simply pointed out google SERP results in a specific niche.
    Since you guys blaming the "niche" let's look at this website in weight loss niche:

    howtoloseweightfastwithoutexercise.webs.com/

    Oh, and one more thing, QUIT SCREAMING "oMG He SelLS LinKS, he iS SpAM etc." but yet it's ok to push your sh*tty WSO or sh*tty affiliate product that has 0 value.
    I don't SELL LINKS, I SELL LABOR!
    If you don't have time for creating web 2.0 properties, looking for guest posts, looking for related blogs / forums etc. then your only option is to outsource it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Not sure if you meant me or not, but I wasn't referring to anything you were selling. Just your mention of the .edu links search result.

    To me, .edu links that are not negotiated directly with the University to acquire, are trash.

    But anyhow... The second part of my post still stands. From the time that Google came into existence there has always been SERPs that had what looked like low quality results. This is nothing new. Google has been working to improve the quality of the results, but doing everything by an algorithm (And there is no other way they could do it. The internet is far too big.) is always going to produce some results that do not seem in line with Google's stated goals.

    Is that happening more often or less often than two years ago?

    To many, in their specific niche, it may look like it is happening more often. However, none of us have access to enough data though to really make a determination if the SERPs have gotten worse or better. You would have to search millions of keywords and compare them to the results two years ago to really even try to quantify if they are doing a better job or not overall.

    It is in their best interest to improve results. If people are unhappy with the search results, they might actually start using another search engine. If that happens, their precious advertising earnings are going to go down the toilet.

    In all honesty, outside of the IM world, I have never once heard anyone complain about Google's search results.
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    • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Not sure if you meant me or not, but I wasn't referring to anything you were selling. Just your mention of the .edu links search result.

      To me, .edu links that are not negotiated directly with the University to acquire, are trash.

      But anyhow... The second part of my post still stands. From the time that Google came into existence there has always been SERPs that had what looked like low quality results. This is nothing new. Google has been working to improve the quality of the results, but doing everything by an algorithm (And there is no other way they could do it. The internet is far too big.) is always going to produce some results that do not seem in line with Google's stated goals.

      Is that happening more often or less often than two years ago?

      To many, in their specific niche, it may look like it is happening more often. However, none of us have access to enough data though to really make a determination if the SERPs have gotten worse or better. You would have to search millions of keywords and compare them to the results two years ago to really even try to quantify if they are doing a better job or not overall.

      It is in their best interest to improve results. If people are unhappy with the search results, they might actually start using another search engine. If that happens, their precious advertising earnings are going to go down the toilet.

      In all honesty, outside of the IM world, I have never once heard anyone complain about Google's search results.
      Agreed, edu links from blog comments and spammed profiles are garbage and will get you penalized.
      However, since I have multiple clients in different niches I noticed that after Jan. update a lot of garbage, one page websites started to pop up, not just in my niche but actually all over, which usually what happens after Google update, but 2 weeks after? You'd think that everything would settle.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

        Agreed, edu links from blog comments and spammed profiles are garbage and will get you penalized.
        However, since I have multiple clients in different niches I noticed that after Jan. update a lot of garbage, one page websites started to pop up, not just in my niche but actually all over, which usually what happens after Google update, but 2 weeks after? You'd think that everything would settle.
        I'm only seeing a few weird results in one niche. Two spammy sites hit page one. Google also decided to cut page one down to 7 results instead of 10.

        This niche is pretty notorious for spammers and some shady dealings though. Happens a lot that sites like this pop up for awhile and are gone in a month. It's almost as bad as the locksmith industry.
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        • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I'm only seeing a few weird results in one niche. Two spammy sites hit page one. Google also decided to cut page one down to 7 results instead of 10.

          This niche is pretty notorious for spammers and some shady dealings though. Happens a lot that sites like this pop up for awhile and are gone in a month. It's almost as bad as the locksmith industry.
          Here is what I'm seeing exactly on ALMOST EVERY NICHE
          If you look into top30 results it consists of 60% - 80% GARBAGE!
          A lot of 1 page EMD domains - (What happened to an EMD update that Google released???)
          Every other result is either wordpress.com or blogspot.com or webs.com with 1 page and NOTHING else, just 1 PAGE OF SPUN CONTENT.
          It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

          The whole point of me creating this thread was to ask other people if they see the same thing in their niche.
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          • Profile picture of the author jxam69
            Originally Posted by TolyZ View Post

            The whole point of me creating this thread was to ask other people if they see the same thing in their niche.
            In the two biggest industries I work in, the SERPs have shown steady improvement over the last few months, and the latest Panda update showed considerable improvement from the user's point of view.

            Some of my results dropped a place or two - but I have to admit we were mostly beaten either by better pages, or fresher content - when this happens it reminds me to lift my game.
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  • Profile picture of the author n0tr3v3
    A mouse looked through the crack in the
    wall to see the farmer and his wife open
    a package. “What food might this
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    can do about it but pray. Be assured you
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    The mouse turned to the cow and said
    “There is a mousetrap in the house!
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    So, the mouse returned to the house,
    head down and dejected, to face the
    farmer’s mousetrap alone.
    That very night a sound was heard
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    you, remember: when one of us is
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    involved in this journey called life. We
    must keep an eye out for one another
    and make an extra effort to encourage
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
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    I remember reading that a while back and thinking the mouse wasn't really in any danger because he was aware of the mouse trap, but yeah... I get the point... we are all a part of the SEO brotherhood

    OP:

    I read a thread on the Google forums where people were complaining about the search results. I am sure many of these individuals were IMers but it seems like they may have been a few real complaints from people not associated with IM at all. The thread is a year long but the replies this year I found to be interesting:

    Here is the link: http://productforums.google.com/foru...c/jMDFzS4EhoYJ
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  • Profile picture of the author TolyZ
    At least somebody called them out on it:
    It almost seems like Google is trying to make their natural search results so bad that we have no choice but to click on the paid ads because, at the very least, they seem to be more relevant and useful.
    Another person confirms my statements:
    1. website about developing apps for kindle - includes a bit of info but nothing about dynamic menus.
    2. same site as above, just a different page and even less relevant (if that is possible)
    3. a page about creating dynamic forms
    4. a blogspot blog and the first sentence reads, "When the time came for me to test out my book in the Kindle Previewer, everything was find any dandy..." what??
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  • Profile picture of the author n0tr3v3
    @IM Ash, I'm glad I reminded you. Will different take a look over at that google webmaster thread.

    Differently, all this google update has bring a lot of crappy results for a number of keywords but I believe if you have high quality contents for a website, why allow that to detour you from a profitable keyword(s).

    If the updates bring those crappy websites to page 1, chances are they won't stay for long.

    Personally I use to find a certain high quality information, non ads/affiliate website and now it's no where to be found.

    The only good thing that comes from all these updates is less competition.
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    • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
      Isn't easier to adjust your projects to new things happening? Create new projects, see how your "new" competitors rank and do it.

      In IM the most important part in having results is: Always Take action!
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I'm seeing increasing numbers of sucky results in Google. One thing that's disturbing is that searching for a very popular forum gives you nothing.

    Sure, Google can penalise sites for various stuff, but when they start penalising sites USERS LOVE, then the market becomes wide open for a competitor to steal what is effectively their only profitable business.
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