How to make Money as a Amazon associate the right way

by nest28
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Apologies for the rather large images lol.


I've always believed in transparency when it comes to explaining methods, so I'll be using plenty of screen shots along with in depth details, oh and actual live examples.


So lets get right into it, the first big mistake I noticed among marketers is the use of cookie cutter Amazon themes such as this Amazon theme or Amazon theme.

Not only are they a give away to any Google employee that your site is a Amazon affiliate but there tacky, not to mention I don't think they convert well, I'd never buy anything from such a site.


My advice would be to always let your theme match your niche, your theme should also give off a welcoming trust worthy feel to it.


Here is a example of what I'm talking about, Decor theme from studio press, chiffioncruz.com . It is also a example that you don't always have to sell home power tools, lawn mowers, or electronics. Oh yea, special shot out to the content authority, all the articles on my site are from them, been using them for 3 yrs now, good people over there.

I don't need/use many plugins as you can see:



I use a no follow plugin so all Amazon links wont pass link juice to Amazon, and SEO ultimate is good for a lot of things past the SEO. Such as having your review show up in serps with star ratings:


Here is how to set up SEO settings using SEO ultimate for individual blog posts:



I'm actually honest about the ratings, I check Amazon to see the real product rating and I make mine the same. So if a item has a 4 star rating on Amazon I will give it the same rating. Only fair right?

I check my on page SEO here , it should come out looking like this if you set it up right:



I don't go by what this site says exactly, but I do use it has a guideline for my on page SEO. In the past I focused on longtail titles, this site would tell me my title tag is to long, but I didn't care because I knew I want my posts titles long to catch all that long tail traffic, so don't worry to much about it giving you a 100% on your on page SEO.

Also I simply use a sentence from my article as meta description. I name images the product name, but I also name images things that people might type in, such as comfy recliner, cute rug, classy bedroom sets etc.

Ok that's it for that particular site, it's new so no earnings, or rankings. That was just few examples of how I would set up a Amazon review site.

Now here are some actual examples and earnings reports of some of my small niches sites, that for whatever reason I didn't choose to expand.

First up, my off the shoulder tops

Here is analytic preview:


and here is Amazon earnings example for last month:




As you can see women's tops average about a dollar per purchase, so maybe building a large e-commerce type site might do well in this niche, ranking off long tails would be your best bet at first, you'll see a lot of phrase like the one in the image above.

Woocommerce is be a great plugin to achieve this along with these type of theme. I will warn you though, I bought this theme and had many technical problems. I also searched around and many themes like this have minor problems that can be fixed if you know coding, or use a fiverr gig and have them fix it.


Second site is messengerbagsformenandwomen.net, sorry I can't link to it, I recently transferred it from bolgger to wordpress and have not yet set it up.

This site became a pr 3 after using five pr 3 links from Niko's SEO service, I had used links from Magic Submitter but they proved to be crap.

Here is a sample of analytic:



and here is a screen shot from January:




There were a few more purchases that didn't fit in the screen shot, but the average purchase was around 160.00 giving me a average earning of 10.00 per purchase. Once again it shows you can earn from other niches besides just electronics and power tools.

This site was a review style blog, much like the first site I show above. People who visited this site seemed to buy items related to business, printer, coffee machine etc, office items, which makes me think that primary businessmen visited this site. This can help you decide what type of accessories to sell, or what type of theme to use.


To make money online period simply use common sense, never do what everyone else is doing like using cookie cutter themes or targeting the same niches.

There's a lot of money to be made in men's/women's apparel. There are women's shoes that go for 200 dollars on average or 300 dollars purses.

And the same goes for men's apparel, or plenty of other niches out there. Research your keywords properly, find niches where you don't see other internet marketers and dominate it.







I made this thread to contribute to the forum since there been a lot of spam on here recently, and also to help any noobs who may be struggling with making Amazon sites. Hope this helps, good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Holy crap. You've given a ton of information + providing some of your sites. Damn man. That's too much! You're too generous man lol.

    I just learned something new, that no-follow plugin. I also need to add stars on my reviews. I haven't done that yet. Hopefully that will increase my conversion rate.

    I do target low competition keywords, and I do go for various products. What I'm STARTING to do now is purchasing expired domains with PR AND Backlinks good trust flow, etc.

    I got into watches, and so far that shit does NOT convert nor generate any traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Holy crap. You've given a ton of information + providing some of your sites. Damn man. That's too much! You're too generous man lol.

      I just learned something new, that no-follow plugin. I also need to add stars on my reviews. I haven't done that yet. Hopefully that will increase my conversion rate.

      I do target low competition keywords, and I do go for various products. What I'm STARTING to do now is purchasing expired domains with PR AND Backlinks good trust flow, etc.

      I got into watches, and so far that shit does NOT convert nor generate any traffic.
      First thank you, second I would like to apologize one more time for those damn images, they make it hard to read the thread.

      Anyways people probably want see the watches in person, there are certain things I never buy online, clothes, watches, shoes etc anything that needs to be fitted.

      Yea, I'm new to wordpress but I'm inlove with plugins lol, man they got plugins for everything, I was about to manually insert the no-follow tag bt found a plugin that does it for me.

      The star rating was easy with SEO Ultimate as was everything else, I like to keep things simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post


      I got into watches, and so far that shit does NOT convert nor generate any traffic.
      I thought about creating a review site for watches once, but soon gave up on the idea. You might make a few sales on crappy Casio watches, but if you want to earn the big bucks by selling Rolex, Breitling, Patek Phillipe, Omega watches etc, I don't think you stand a chance. If someone wants to buy a $2,000 watch then they will want to see how it looks on their wrist and need to get it adjusted in-store so it fits. People might buy a watch and not purchase another one for 20 years as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

        I thought about creating a review site for watches once, but soon gave up on the idea. You might make a few sales on crappy Casio watches, but if you want to earn the big bucks by selling Rolex, Breitling, Patek Phillipe, Omega watches etc, I don't think you stand a chance. If someone wants to buy a $2,000 watch then they will want to see how it looks on their wrist and need to get it adjusted in-store so it fits. People might buy a watch and not purchase another one for 20 years as well.
        Yeah. Don't go into this niche it's BLAH. All rankings are at 1-3, and they generate little to none traffic. And you're right crappy Casio watches for the win! Invicta and Bulova or whatever gets traffic as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author BucsaEmanuel
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Holy crap. You've given a ton of information + providing some of your sites. Damn man. That's too much! You're too generous man lol.

      I just learned something new, that no-follow plugin. I also need to add stars on my reviews. I haven't done that yet. Hopefully that will increase my conversion rate.

      I do target low competition keywords, and I do go for various products. What I'm STARTING to do now is purchasing expired domains with PR AND Backlinks good trust flow, etc.

      I got into watches, and so far that shit does NOT convert nor generate any traffic.
      I was on the watches niche for a while but didn't manage to sell any high-end models. The watches I did sell were diving, hiking and general sports watches. It's a fairly simple niche, but not if you want to sell a 200k zenith watch. I don't think anyone buys those online.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    GG, put Fossil watches on your site and tell your visitors that it's jersey shore approved lol.


    Funny thing is I actually got a fossil watch for my birthday shortly after this episode aired.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Good info Nest.

      The one thing with Amazon type sites is the difficulty in choosing a niche and keywords. Although there are some things that sell amazingly well on Amazon, it doesn't always mean your traffic will convert immediately, and since Amazon has that damn 24-hour cookie, you need pretty much instant conversions.

      The watch example mentioned is a tough one. Although I am sure plenty of people do buy watches off of Amazon, how many do it right away? How many shop around and think it over for a few days?

      How many decide to go into a store instead to see what it looks like on?

      It can be the opposite problem Best Buy is having right now. People are going into Best Buy to shop around, but then making the actual purchase off of Amazon.

      Some people might even come back and purchase a few days later, but if they don't reenter Amazon through your site, you are F'd because of the 24-hour cookie.

      I personally have found electronics, for example, to convert like crap. I believe people are buying (I've even had lots of people email me to thank me for info on some of my sites), but a lot of electronics like TVs, laptops, cameras, etc. are the sort of things people shop around a little while for before making a buying decision.

      So just because you find keywords that are easy to rank and have good search volume, it still doesn't mean they are going to work well for an Amazon site.

      When it comes to Amazon sites, choosing a niche that will convert is the hardest part in my opinion.

      The people whom I have met that are really making a killing on Amazon are the ones selling their own products on there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Good stuff. One of the most informative threads I have seen around here for a LOOOOONG time. I've talked to you before about those sites and to be honest given the SEO work done (not that much when you consider you moved the sites over to different platforms) I'm surprised at the income level on really what I think is probably not that much traffic

        Only thing you did wrong was that you used NIk's links instead of some links from me. NIk will be in here soon and if you took a picture of his head it would be bigger than your screenshots
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Good stuff. One of the most informative threads I have seen around here for a LOOOOONG time. I've talked to you before about those sites and to be honest given the SEO work done (not that much when you consider you moved the sites over to different platforms) I'm surprised at the income level on really what I think is probably not that much traffic

          Only thing you did wrong was that you used NIk's links instead of some links from me. NIk will be in here soon and if you took a picture of his head it would be bigger than your screenshots
          Lmao, me and Niko got off to a bad start last yr, but were cool now. His links did do there job I cannot lie about that. Yea, the traffic was in the low hundreds, 300 to 400 a month with each site. As always I made money on long tail phrases.

          Although I checked both "messenger bags for men"and "messenger bags for women" they weren't all that easy to rank for as suggested by traffic travis, or my manual review of the serps. If I had added more high pr links I most likely would have rank in the top 3 for those phrases.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        It can be the opposite problem Best Buy is having right now. People are going into Best Buy to shop around, but then making the actual purchase off of Amazon.
        Yep......In my area its even common for them to buy it at Best Buy so they can use it immediately and return it after they get it from amazon. Bit shady to me but when I was making a return for other reasons I had a guy telling me thats the way to do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author simplesite
      Great post. My amazon shop needs work..

      This is funny:
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      GG, put Fossil watches on your site and tell your visitors that it's jersey shore approved lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Always love your stuff, Nest. Too bad people are going to skim this and move on to the latest and greatest hyped up product. When all they really need to get started is right here in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

      Always love your stuff, Nest. Too bad people are going to skim this and move on to the latest and greatest hyped up product. When all they really need to get started is right here in this thread.
      Thank you I appreciate it and although you may be right, there will be a few smart ones that will actually read and learn. Those are the ones that will make it online.
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        Thank you I appreciate it and although you may be right, the will be a few smart ones that will actually read and learn. Those are the ones that will make it online.
        I think people tend to get blinded by huge commissions (Clickbank, for example) and gloss over earning a $5 commission on an Amazon sale. It absolutely adds up. And Amazon tends to convert very well. I lean towards video marketing to drive traffic directly to my sites, and plenty of these videos end up converting at 10%, 15%, even 20% or higher. So while commissions aren't as high, they add up and require a lot less effort to generate as long as you're doing your research beforehand.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

          I think people tend to get blinded by huge commissions (Clickbank, for example) and gloss over earning a $5 commission on an Amazon sale. It absolutely adds up. And Amazon tends to convert very well. I lean towards video marketing to drive traffic directly to my sites, and plenty of these videos end up converting at 10%, 15%, even 20% or higher. So while commissions aren't as high, they add up and require a lot less effort to generate as long as you're doing your research beforehand.
          Your right about the perception on commissions, my gf saw my Amazon earnings and thought I was getting robbed. I mean somebody buys a 3 hundred dollar printer and all I get is 10 dollars lol, it doesn't seem right but as you said it all adds up.


          If you don't agree with Amazon, I would suggest creating your own products/services, that or use Adsense in high cpc niches.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Nest, just an FYI. Amazon does not need any link juice, but it
            doesn't make sense to nofollow them. Google has changed the
            way they divvy PR, and they divide it by the number of links on
            the page, regardless of whether they are nofollow. If 5 links
            are nofollow, and 10 total are on the page, the 5 that are
            not nofollow'd still just get 1/10th (theoretically) of the link juice.

            This really is a moot point anyway, just maybe a heads up to
            others who like to play with the nofollow.

            If people cared about bleeding link juice to amazon links, they
            may want to just use the iframe code.

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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              I'm also surprised about the money that the site brought in despite the limited amount of link building, not bad at all.

              Funny enough I have a client right now that is focusing on the same type of keywords, and yes they are bit stubborn but definitely able to rank.

              Many people try to focus on sites with just a few pages but every time the somewhat more authority model, or at least a site with many product pages attract a lot of traffic from long tails when you add it all up.

              Nice shout out on the theme and SEO ultimate plugin, I used to use GD rating but that only showed the star ratings randomly in the SERP's. Got to try this one!
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              Nest, just an FYI. Amazon does not need any link juice, but it
              doesn't make sense to nofollow them. Google has changed the
              way they divvy PR, and they divide it by the number of links on
              the page, regardless of whether they are nofollow. If 5 links
              are nofollow, and 10 total are on the page, the 5 that are
              not nofollow'd still just get 1/10th (theoretically) of the link juice.

              This really is a moot point anyway, just maybe a heads up to
              others who like to play with the nofollow.

              If people cared about bleeding link juice to amazon links, they
              may want to just use the iframe code.

              Paul
              Thanx for clearing that up, I thought if I didn't make the affiliate links no-follow it would pass link juice thus helping Amazon to rank higher. I still wanted to use that plugin in case I link out for whatever reason.

              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


              Nice shout out on the theme and SEO ultimate plugin, I used to use GD rating but that only showed the star ratings randomly in the SERP's. Got to try this one!
              I like genesis framework and studiopress themes, I wish they had a bigger selection but overall they have good designs. And I had to get SEO ultimate out there, all I here is all in one SEO pack, I tried it and it was cool, but SEO Ultimate has a ton of features. I even siloed a site with the deeplink juggernaut feature, which automatically links post that are in the same category, it uses the anchor text of your choice also.


              Oh and here's a link to a privacy page generator that I use, here.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            Your right about the perception on commissions, my gf saw my Amazon earnings and thought I was getting robbed. I mean somebody buys a 3 hundred dollar printer and all I get is 10 dollars lol, it doesn't seem right but as you said it all adds up.
            A couple associates in retail told me that electronics have low profit markups compared to some other products So it might not be quite the rip you think. They just don't make as big a slice out of it. I saw a manufacturer invoice in a Major clothing store once and the prices on the floor were over twice what was actually paid for by the store even though the items were on sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author coolseek
    @ nest28...........Did you use a plugin to create this site Off the Shoulder Tops. I don't see any unique article on the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by coolseek View Post

      @ nest28...........Did you use a plugin to create this site Off the Shoulder Tops. I don't see any unique article on the site.
      No, it's a blogger blog that I consider to be crap. I just wanted to see if a site would rank if it had same content as amazon. Please don't think I go around making crap like that all time lol. Normally I stick with review sites with unique content.
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      • Profile picture of the author coolseek
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        No, it's a blogger blog that I consider to be crap. I just wanted to see if a site would rank if it had same content as amazon. Please don't think I go around making crap like that all time lol. Normally I stick with review sites with unique content.
        No brother, I don't care how you make your money, as long as it is not illegal. I guess that with content like that you have no ranking on google (maybe very few).
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by coolseek View Post

          No brother, I don't care how you make your money, as long as it is not illegal. I guess that with content like that you have no ranking on google (maybe very few).
          Well he did make $20 in a couple of months I suppose

          I used to use FreshStoreBuilder a long time ago, till I got sick of the tiny money it created and the time that it took to make the site look somewhat decent, but it did make $5/month with only scraped content, 5000 pages in total lol.

          Back then I didn't build a single link to the site btw, perhaps with some good juice that the income would double/triple and then it becomes worth it to upscale bigtime with like 200 of such sites.

          Perhaps I have to start testing these type of things again, as me, as well as most others, never did any proper link building and expected it to work all on auto-pilot (like the sellers always advertise).
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by SamKalai View Post



            Now I'm on much much much bigger projet with Empower Network ( but amazon still generate cash )

            Is this where we are supposed to go oooh! oooh! and click your sig? Fake check pictures was a fad but ever since the 90s no one buys it as proof of income. We are more likely to think of two words

            Adobe Photoshop


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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    Thank you Nest. I find your posts to be some of the most sane and useful on here.

    One of the other things people often miss about Amazon and their low commission, is that unlike most affiliate programs you can earn just as much in indirect sales as you do for the actual products you are promoting.

    For example every week I get sales for strange things completely unrelated to my target markets - like expensive digital cameras, or DVDs and music, and even books completely unrelated to my primary market.

    Thank you also for your generosity in sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by SamKalai View Post




      Micro Niche Sites is the way to go

      this is what I did .. It generates cash on autopilot

      just rinse and repeat...







      and another one with $12,9k will arrive by the end of this week...Will post pics as soon as it arrives... YES YOU CAN!


      Now I'm on much much much bigger projet with Empower Network ( but amazon still generate cash )













      This looks like a cheesy WSO sales page. i made it a point not to mention exact numbers because people have a way of falling in love with figures.

      It doesn't matter if someone makes 10,000 because there are many different variables at play, keywords, niche, theme etc. Not to mention you just shamelessly promoted your sig using what is probably fake screen shot of a check.

      Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

      Thank you Nest. I find your posts to be some of the most sane and useful on here.

      One of the other things people often miss about Amazon and their low commission, is that unlike most affiliate programs you can earn just as much in indirect sales as you do for the actual products you are promoting.

      For example every week I get sales for strange things completely unrelated to my target markets - like expensive digital cameras, or DVDs and music, and even books completely unrelated to my primary market.

      Thank you also for your generosity in sharing.
      Your welcome, as you can see most people bought item that were related to the products on my site. The messenger bag site visitors bought other things beside just messenger bags, but at least I understand why though.

      Like I said they bought office supplies which paints the picture that these were mostly businessmen. They didn't seem to care about spending 300 on a bag because they probably got it like that. They also didn't seem to mind buying other high priced items. This makes for a great niche, converts well and your customers have high paying careers so money aint a issue. If I had been smart I would have been doing e-mail marketing as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

      Thank you Nest. I find your posts to be some of the most sane and useful on here.

      One of the other things people often miss about Amazon and their low commission, is that unlike most affiliate programs you can earn just as much in indirect sales as you do for the actual products you are promoting.

      For example every week I get sales for strange things completely unrelated to my target markets - like expensive digital cameras, or DVDs and music, and even books completely unrelated to my primary market.

      Thank you also for your generosity in sharing.
      It's always fun to see the bizarre things that people end up ordering from your link.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Oh and here are few other stats, the women's top site only has 8 posts I believe all of which have the same content as Amazon. The messenger bag site had 8 five hundred word articles. I had planned on building the messenger bag site out, so plz don't think I'm into micro niche sites or thin affiliate sites.

    Few things changed and I ended up going another route. I my set up the site later today so people can see whatkind content converts well enough to make these type of sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author CTRTheme
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    thanks for your guide, going to start as amazon affiliate soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Imma post some stuff soon. I'm sleepy. I'll post it tomorrow. But I must say Amazon is my biggest income and it's a lotta fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author CTRTheme
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Imma post some stuff soon. I'm sleepy. I'll post it tomorrow. But I must say Amazon is my biggest income and it's a lotta fun.
      How about clickbank?
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    Great post Nest.

    I really need to look at Amazon affiliates and expand my business. Commissions are low but conversions can be very high.
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  • Profile picture of the author Airwolf
    I am very impressed with what you have presented in the 1st post. It is really some good info there for us to learn as an Amazon affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author CTRTheme
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    can you explain what is cookie cutter?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by CTRTheme View Post

      can you explain what is cookie cutter?
      1.having the same configuration or look as many others of a given kind

      2.lack of originality or distinction

      3. the term cookie cutter is used to describe anything that is mass produced quickly and of low quality
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I'm honestly to lazy to set up the messenger bag site, but here is the highest converting article:

    Messenger bags have always been used but in the last year or two, designers seem to have woken up the design potential they offer. Prominent leather companies and shoe designers now create trendy but usable leather messenger bags that are ideal for toting around mobiles, PDAs, netbooks and even clunky laptops. We like David King & Co and they've come up with a trendy but beautiful David King & Co Large Distressed Leather Laptop Messenger that's quite beautiful to look at and carry around. Take a look at our quick review for this affordable bag.

    What the David King & Co Large Distressed Leather Laptop Messenger promises-
    David King & Co was established in the 1970s primarily to deal with leather and create leather products. With over thirty years of experience in buying, treating and handcrafting leather, its hard to criticize any of their products. The leather is hand-picked from unique locations around the world and then tooled by master craftsmen to create their signature bags, messengers and duffels. Their distressed leather range is particularly well known and most of them retail in the high thousands. Expert craftsmanship is visible in the form of double stitched seams, thick canvas straps that are backed with padding. The interiors are lined with super soft, rip resistant polyester. A separate pocket is provided for laptops with four more pockets for paperwork, pens, mobiles, card holders etc.


    What we loved about the David King & Co Large Distressed Leather Laptop Messenger:

    1. At present this bag listed on Amazon and it is covered with a yearlong guarantee. After one year, you can also send in the bags for repair to the company and they will repair it at a nominal cost.

    2. Distressing leather has to be done correctly. If the manufacturer uses the wrong materials, you could easily land up with a bag that will break down in three months and that's not ok when you are paying for high quality leather. This is not going to happen with David King & Co which custom treats each batch of leather to create the distressing. You are assured of 100% quality and effect.

    3. For some reason, the distressing seems to have made the bag stronger. Online users have reported that the bag is very hardy and has lasted more than three years without any need for patching or repair.

    Not-so good things about the David King & Co Large Distressed Leather Laptop...David King & Co Large Distressed Leather Laptop...
    1. If you have a clunky laptop, the padding is not going to be enough but the bag has enough space to hold a laptop cover along with the laptop.

    2. The price may be a drawback for some people. The bag costs about $139 and some people may not want to pay that much for a bag which looks used! Yes, you and I know what distressed means but some people might not understand the significance of a distressed leather piece.

    Buy Buy or not to buy?
    We like distressing simply because it gives a piece a lived-in look. An esthetically-created bag with the right distressing can create a beautiful signature piece. Of course, the bag is functional as well with large roomy interiors and it's worth the cost. We would snap it up in an instant for that price.







    I link to Amazon the same as it was on the original site, except these links aren't affiliate links. Just wanted to give a example of the type of articles from the site in OP, and how I link to Amazon.

    I don't believe in being spammy and having 5,6,7 links in one article. I would have one large image which would link to Amazon and 2 in content links. Less is more.
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  • Profile picture of the author saarbel
    nest28, What about keyword - research and product selection ? What's your method ?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by saarbel View Post

      nest28, What about keyword - research and product selection ? What's your method ?
      This is kind of hard to answer in a way, I use Google keyword tool and look for keywords manually than put them in Traffic Travis to see how competitive the top 10 results are.

      Most of what I'm about to say is nothing new, I mean go after items with high ratings and lots of positive reviews. As far as sticking with high priced items to make high commission, I don't agree with that. As you can see from the "off the shoulder tops" example cheaper items do yield smaller commissions but it still all adds up, it comes down to how much traffic you plan on getting.


      Sense off the shoulder tops are cheap I think it would be a good idea for it to receive a lot of traffic to make up for it's low price, the opposite can be said about high priced items. You may have a product that costs 200 dollars but only get's 2,000 local searches but because of the high price that might be enough to make a couple hundred a month.


      The first thing I wanted to do is go into a niche where other marketers were not present, I think apparel is a huge niche with enough space for everyone. America spend 80 billion on clothes last year, so it's safe to say it's a good niche to enter.

      Most of the time you will be dealing with Zappos,Amazon,Polyvore just to name a few, normally you will only have to deal with inner pages with pr of N/A or 0. The thing to watch out for are category pages with high pr or backlinks, they might be a problem.

      Last time I check messenger bags for men received 8,100 local searches, messenger bag for women received 5,400 I think and I just checked for competition and it seemed to gotten even easier to rank.











      Edit: I only used Niko's links for a month, if I had continued to do SEO for my site I could have easily ranked number 1, in which case I would have expand the site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        The first thing I wanted to do is go into a niche where other marketers were not present, I think apparel is a huge niche with enough space for everyone.
        My young apprentice.... paah paaah.....you do not know the power ....paah paaah...... of the Spambot micro nichers.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          My young apprentice.... paah paaah.....you do not know the power ....paah paaah...... of the Spambot micro nichers.



          Ok, that's enough geekery lol for one day.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        This is kind of hard to answer in a way, I use Google keyword tool and look for keywords manually than put them in Traffic Travis to see how competitive the top 10 results are.

        Most of what I'm about to say is nothing new, I mean go after items with high ratings and lots of positive reviews. As far as sticking with high priced items to make high commission, I don't agree with that. As you can see from the "off the shoulder tops" example cheaper items do yield smaller commissions but it still all adds up, it comes down to how much traffic you plan on getting.


        Sense off the shoulder tops are cheap I think it would be a good idea for it to receive a lot of traffic to make up for it's low price, the opposite can be said about high priced items. You may have a product that costs 200 dollars but only get's 2,000 local searches but because of the high price that might be enough to make a couple hundred a month.


        The first thing I wanted to do is go into a niche where other marketers were not present, I think apparel is a huge niche with enough space for everyone. America spend 80 billion on clothes last year, so it's safe to say it's a good niche to enter.

        Most of the time you will be dealing with Zappos,Amazon,Polyvore just to name a few, normally you will only have to deal with inner pages with pr of N/A or 0. The thing to watch out for are category pages with high pr or backlinks, they might be a problem.

        Last time I check messenger bags for men received 8,100 local searches, messenger bag for women received 5,400 I think and I just checked for competition and it seemed to gotten even easier to rank.











        Edit: I only used Niko's links for a month, if I had continued to do SEO for my site I could have easily ranked number 1, in which case I would have expand the site.
        The kw's are in fact tougher to rank then you think at first glance, the pages with 0 Page Authority are from large authority sites so it's only a matter of waiting before those PA's get updated. Look at Sears for example, it has PA for the womens messenger bags kw, but not for the mens version. Looks like all these sites recently added these products.

        So yeah it took longer then expected!
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    This got me thinking into making a churn and burn site for testing purposes =)
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by tech84 View Post

      This got me thinking into making a churn and burn site for testing purposes =)
      No need to do the churn n burn method, it wouldn't take much to rank and maintain your ranking in most of these niches.

      For example one thing you could do is mix lower priced items with high priced ones. Ex:

      Cheap bags

      High priced bags

      You know whats great about clothing sites? there cheap to make.
      Think about it, a shirt's product description only needs to be around 25 to 50 words long at most. You can write 30 of those a day and have hundreds of pages in a month's time. If you outsourced, it would be cheap, I use TCA, and they charge a penny per word for basic articles, so 25 word product description would only be 25 cent. You could get 4 for a dollar lol.


      Here is a good example of what I might go for Amazon.com: Rebecca Minkoff Mini Mac...Amazon.com: Rebecca Minkoff Mini Mac... 5 star rating, 44 reviews, mostly all are positve. Make Classybagz.com or something, and write a short product description and it will rank for it's name.

      Since that bag cost so much you may want to write a longer description or even a review, thing is you can build a site, and have products with 25-50 word descriptions mixed with 3,4,or 500 word reviews.
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      • Profile picture of the author Riich
        Hi Nest, could you tell me who TCA is please? Also, would like to say i've been lurking on WF on and off for about 10 months soaking up the knowledge you are giving us all. It's time for me to implement what I've learned so far, as we are expecting a baby soon; with our wedding in July. So the little extra income will help. So, thanks for everything.

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  • Profile picture of the author saarbel
    I searched for Niko's links But I'm not sure I found the right one, can you link to it ?
    BTW why did u chose his linking service?
    And do you link only the first main page or the other inner pages too ?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I don't understand the thread title (right way?), from what I've seen (OP) your doing exactly what thousands of other Amazon associates are doing, your creating fake review type content for the single purpose of promoting your affiliate link.

    What are you doing different besides a theme or plugin?

    Your content doesn't even match the image you use, example, this paid article talks about a rug on a marble floor, yet the image directly above the text is a rug on a wood floor.

    Not nitpicking, just saying I don't see a single thing that your doing that's any different than the crowd your suggesting is doing things the wrong way.

    Build repeat traffic/community then I might agree your doing things different than the typical WF/IMers that have an affiliate link. No organic traffic will ever build links to those sites in OP. Might sound harsh but that's reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by saarbel View Post

      I searched for Niko's links But I'm not sure I found the right one, can you link to it ?
      BTW why did u chose his linking service?
      And do you link only the first main page or the other inner pages too ?
      Niko, is going to end up oweing me a lot of money, lol I'm pm you, don't want to seem like me and him got some kind of deal going on. I just like to promote things that work for me, most of which are free.

      Edit: Niko, this better not be you lol.

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't understand the thread title (right way?), from what I've seen (OP) your doing exactly what thousands of other Amazon associates are doing, your creating fake review type content for the single purpose of promoting your affiliate link.

      What are you doing different besides a theme or plugin?

      Your content doesn't even match the image you use, example, this paid article talks about a rug on a marble floor, yet the image directly above the text is a rug on a wood floor.

      Not nitpicking, just saying I don't see a single thing that your doing that's any different than the crowd your suggesting is doing things the wrong way.

      Build repeat traffic/community then I might agree your doing things different than the typical WF/IMers that have an affiliate link. No organic traffic will ever build links to those sites in OP. Might sound harsh but that's reality.
      I beg to differ my good man, niche selection, keywords and themes all play a big part. 99% of most gurus say go after power tools, and a bunch of other common items. As far as the site not getting natural links, I believe that if my goal was to make this site my life's work it very well could with a few changes.

      Not that much of a difference between my site and these:

      home decor blog

      10 Amazing Home Decor Blogs

      The Inspired Room - Home Decor, Decorating Blog, Best Interior Design Blog, Homemaking

      The House of Smiths - Home DIY Blog - Interior Decorating Blog - Decorating on a Budget Blog


      Actually these blogs are there passion but that didn't stop them from plastering Adsense and other ads on their blogs.

      Originally I had a pic of my gf in the side bar and made it look like it was her blog, that's why the author's name is Cruz, it's her last name. It wouldn't take much to turn that into a personal blog, and make my target audience at home mommies lol.

      All my methods and thoughts on Amazon have not yet been discussed, plus it's really a matter of the thread title, which is minor. I have plenty of other ideas that are truly unique. I will admit and have stated a few times that some of this info is nothing new, but what is new is me showing my personal sites, something no one else here does.


      As for the article, I would have never notice it, I don't think the difference between marble and hardwood will stop a customer from buying . It's more a mistake on my part, I like this particular writer and gotten to the point where I stop checking his work, I just approve it, if I had read it, maybe I would caught the mistake.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        I will admit and have stated a few times that some of this info is nothing new, but what is new is me showing my personal sites, something no one else here does.
        Nest, the reason people don't show sites that earn good money is they're sites with real content, not MFA. It would be crazy to make a money claim on an IM forum, then post a link to the same site, I guarantee the site would be cloned by some desperate sole.

        Your site in OP only exist for an Amazon affiliate link, there's no real content for traffic to share with anyone else. The site/s in OP are pretty much churn & burn, If it gets hit by Google your back in business in a day or two.

        I think you was close to building a useful site.

        Remember this?
        I also wanted suggestions on making a site that would not only attract visitors but make them addicted to coming to such a site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Nest, the reason people don't show sites that earn good money is they're sites with real content, not MFA.
          Or in many occasions because they are not making what they claim and thats a nice cover. they can post things all over the place and not have to back anything up.

          Essentially you are in here WHINING because in this ONE CASE somebody actually does back something up. OP is posting this for learning and is well aware that the site can be duplicated, cloned etc. Thats the whole reason the site is not built up further if you thought about it. IF it had been then it would be a major part of the OP's income and would not be here. Think

          SO what is the point? You have none. Zip nada nothing. You are in here just complaining because its not about adsense. No? then why have there been COUNTLESS other posts with income claims never backed, with no site ever linked to and you have had NO complaint whatsoever as long as they say adsense is the earner?

          As they say inquiring minds want to know cause in general this Google adsesnes fanboyism junks up the site and is now in here trying to junk up this thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Or in many occasions because they are not making what they claim and thats a nice cover. they can post things all over the place and not have to back anything up.

            Essentially you are in here WHINING because in this ONE CASE somebody actually does back something up. OP is posting this for learning and is well aware that the site can be duplicated, cloned etc. Thats the whole reason the site is not built up further if you thought about it. IF it had been then it would be a major part of the OP's income and would not be here. Think

            SO what is the point? You have none. Zip nada nothing. You are in here just complaining because its not about adsense. No? then why have there been COUNTLESS other posts with income claims never backed, with no site ever linked to and you have had NO complaint whatsoever as long as they say adsense is the earner?

            As they say inquiring minds want to know cause in general this Google adsesnes fanboyism junks up the site and is now in here trying to junk up this thread.
            Mike, Yukon is entitled to his opinion as is every member here, remember what we discussed, not here for this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

              Mike, Yukon is entitled to his opinion as is every member here, remember what we discussed, not here for this.

              Nest I am done on that - no ongoing derail - but yes every member does get to express his opinion and that goes for me which I Have done with no apologies up to this point. Hey regardless of anything you might think I Was just actually enjoying a thread that put up some real data for that reason and that reason only. We don't get that very often

              P.S. I do think that sites should be built out more fully but took those as a throwaway kind of exercises on looking at the basics. So on that point I would agree with Yukon if that were the sole place it was coming from. The ridiculous (to me) wood floor image versus marble just indicated to me it wasn't coming from there. Thats all

              Nuff said.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Nest, the reason people don't show sites that earn good money is they're sites with real content, not MFA. It would be crazy to make a money claim on an IM forum, then post a link to the same site, I guarantee the site would be cloned by some desperate sole.

          Your site in OP only exist for an Amazon affiliate link, there's no real content for traffic to share with anyone else. The site/s in OP are pretty much churn & burn, If it gets hit by Google your back in business in a day or two.

          I think you was close to building a useful site.

          Remember this?
          I planned on having regular blog posts in addition to Amazon reviews, but you are correct, I'd never show a site that was important to me. I'm not promoting churn n burn methods or micro niche sites, I hate those. I simply showed the forum the results of a old case study really.


          My personal goals have never changed, I look at Adsense as a unstable program, Amazon has low commission but good customer service so I don't mind using them, or Adsense for that matter, I just hear to many stories of people being banned, there's one on the forum right now.

          The thing that I care about most is my anti-marketers site, but for personal reasons I haven't gone forward with building it out, I care about it so much I just don't want to make any mistakes. I suppose that has kept me from my goals also.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        As for the article, I would have never notice it, I don't think the difference between marble and hardwood will stop a customer from buying . It's more a mistake on my part, I like this particular writer and gotten to the point where I stop checking his work, I just approve it, if I had read it, maybe I would caught the mistake.
        its totally inconsequential and just silly nit picking by someone that has probably never done a lick of home decor. If you see a nice rug and you have a solid color matching marble floor you would not disregard it because its displayed on a hardwood floor. The emphasis is not the floor but the rug.

        observation of desperation trying to find something to critique
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Not nitpicking, just saying I don't see a single thing that your doing that's any different than the crowd your suggesting is doing things the wrong way.
      oh oh...somebody is MAAAD that something is being shown to make more money than most people make with adsense on such low traffic and SEO work. You gone and upset the Google fanboys OP. Theres no turning back now. THere have been ton loads of threads where people posted things about adsense with not a peep from them but you crossed the line when you
      put down numbers on a Non adsense income stream. You in twouble now. Say some Hail Mary's and full of graces.

      Build repeat traffic/community then I might agree your doing things different than the typical WF/IMers that have an affiliate link. No organic traffic will ever build links to those sites in OP. Might sound harsh but that's reality.
      Actually if you read worth a lick he hasn't done much with the sites (one is now offline) and (since we have talked about it ) as a matter of fact is looking to build community in his next version. The fact that he is posting somethings for everybody to see for free doesn't mean he is posting everything he is doing

      You aint being harsh you are just being hurt as you are when anyone points out anything that oops might make people more money than your beloved adsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        oh oh...somebody is MAAAD that something is being shown to make more money than most people make with adsense on such low traffic and SEO work. You gone and upset the Google fanboys OP. Theres no turning back now. THere have been ton loads of threads where people posted things about adsense with not a peep from them but you crossed the line when you
        put down numbers on a Non adsense income stream. You in twouble now. Say some Hail Mary's and full of graces.



        Actually if you read worth a lick he hasn't done much with the sites (one is now offline) and (since we have talked about it ) as a matter of fact is looking to build community in his next version. The fact that he is posting somethings for everybody to see for free doesn't mean he is posting everything he is doing

        You aint being harsh you are just being hurt as you are when anyone points out anything that oops might make people more money than your beloved adsense.

        I don't care If Adsense banned you, let it go & don't be an idiot.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Great post. Will investigate this NoFollow Plugin, would be worth the time. Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author manishak
    Fantastic share! I have read this thread very carefully and will now be targeting products that are cheaply priced on my sites. As a matter of fact, one of my sites that generates random Amazon income, sell items that are not over $50! So I guess your strategy is good. People spend 'less money' faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author newz
    Thanks for going to all the trouble to construct this informative post!
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  • Profile picture of the author CTRTheme
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    Ts, what theme and plugins do you recommend for amazon affiliate and is wp robot good for amazon affiliate?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by CTRTheme View Post

      Ts, what theme and plugins do you recommend for amazon affiliate and is wp robot good for amazon affiliate?
      You don't need any plugins. Only one I might use is woocommerce and that's because it turns posts into product pages. I even stop using that though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hansons
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        You don't need any plugins. Only one I might use is woocommerce and that's because it turns posts into product pages. I even stop using that though.
        Why did you stop this plugin?

        I would seek some helps regarding this.

        I have built a site based on Amazon product, it targets all the niche like general site...

        What I need to do is to write articles on less competitive keywords and I have to post on my site and nothing more than this, I just want to rank on the basis of fresh content and on-page optimization ability.

        Would you suggest any plugin which would fetch Amazon products automatically, which should be relevant, can put in the middle of article, bottom of article etc.?
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Hansons View Post

          Why did you stop this plugin?

          I would seek some helps regarding this.

          I have built a site based on Amazon product, it targets all the niche like general site...

          What I need to do is to write articles on less competitive keywords and I have to post on my site and nothing more than this, I just want to rank on the basis of fresh content and on-page optimization ability.

          Would you suggest any plugin which would fetch Amazon products automatically, which should be relevant, can put in the middle of article, bottom of article etc.?
          I stopped using Woocommerce because I just didn't need it anymore. As far as plugins that automatically import products, I never used any.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by CTRTheme View Post

      Ts, what theme and plugins do you recommend for amazon affiliate and is wp robot good for amazon affiliate?
      I'll chime in and say that the theme doesn't really matter. If anything, you want to avoid something that a ton of other Amazon affiliates use. Find a decent theme that you can easily customize and run with it. Hell, the default WP theme can actually look pretty nice once you've got it tweaked a little.
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        • Profile picture of the author Maecenas23
          Good share, useful information.
          Even the experienced guys have something to learn from it.

          keep going
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        • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
          Originally Posted by CTRTheme View Post

          Do you recommend any other plugins to install or theme?
          Maybe a basic SEO plugin, contact, etc. I try to keep my sites as simple as possible, really. Nest provides a pretty good list in his OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Irwin Dominguez
    Hey Nest28,

    Just wanted to say thanks for the informative post. You dropped a lot of helpful information with your own personal websites as reference, very kind of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSence
    Great, I learned lots of new things about Amazon, I would try it too for earning.
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  • Profile picture of the author tybolton
    Hey Nest,

    First, I'd like to say thank for such an informative and valuable post. I've followed your past threads and your ups and downs with IM. You went from cookie cutter "IM" to learning what works for you. Yes, it hurts your morale and bottom line when you go from making x,xxx to nothing, and faced with doing it all over again.

    You've shown resilience as an internet marketer because you're willing to adapt, and "roll with the punches". I commend you for trying to teach newbies and others with tips and techniques on how to make it in this game -- which isn't easy.

    It makes me lol how some "so called gurus" are always so quick to step on other toes and quick to offer criticism. No name dropping, but instead of always talking about what someone isn't doing, and what they're doing wrong, TRY HELPING.

    I'm gonna end it like this, for newbies, you're an inspiration. For those other so called Warriors who are here to gain something, (instead of helping) you're a nightmare. Nest, Keep doing you...
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  • Profile picture of the author sprucehill
    Nest, thanks for the information and tips you shared. Thanks, especially, for the heads-up on the SEO Ultimate plugin. I wasn't aware that it had so many useful features. I'm going to check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author peterb1234
    Hi Nest

    Another great thread. I have followed a few of your previous topics and have found them all a good informative read.

    I am a newbie and using Amazon as my first source of IM income. I am following the Wolfmmii strategy. I am looking to continue building my current site in this method and see how it goes, I currently have 60 product reviews. I am looking to start another site mixing his method with an approach similar to yours

    Your Amazon check is awesome, if I could get to half of that I would be happy. I have one question.

    Do you only receive traffic from natural search engine traffic? Or are you buying PPC etc?

    thanks
    Peter
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by peterb1234 View Post

      Hi Nest

      Another great thread. I have followed a few of your previous topics and have found them all a good informative read.

      I am a newbie and using Amazon as my first source of IM income. I am following the Wolfmmii strategy. I am looking to continue building my current site in this method and see how it goes, I currently have 60 product reviews. I am looking to start another site mixing his method with an approach similar to yours

      Your Amazon check is awesome, if I could get to half of that I would be happy. I have one question.

      Do you only receive traffic from natural search engine traffic? Or are you buying PPC etc?

      thanks
      Peter
      Only search engine traffic, PPC costs to much for almost any niche, unless your big corporation or offer services where just 1 lead can justify paying for Adwords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elfen Lied
    I think the best way to go is to become an authority in the niche you choose to market for. Make sure it's about something that you can sell via Amazon and it's best if it's a topic you're passionate about. Build a useful resource for shoppers and try to earn yourself a loyal audience who will spread your site by word of mouth. Maybe after a few months to a couple years you'll be able to build up a following large enough to support you for many years to come. Just try to create something useful and informative.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by Elfen Lied View Post

      I think the best way to go is to become an authority in the niche you choose to market for. Make sure it's about something that you can sell via Amazon and it's best if it's a topic you're passionate about. Build a useful resource for shoppers and try to earn yourself a loyal audience who will spread your site by word of mouth. Maybe after a few months to a couple years you'll be able to build up a following large enough to support you for many years to come. Just try to create something useful and informative.
      That is a long-term plan, which is always nice to have.

      That said, there's nothing wrong with putting together sites that are targeted low competition - but buyer oriented - keywords in the mean time.
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      • Profile picture of the author peterb1234
        Originally Posted by JSProjects View Post

        That is a long-term plan, which is always nice to have.

        That said, there's nothing wrong with putting together sites that are targeted low competition - but buyer oriented - keywords in the mean time.
        That is the plan for my next website.

        Try to build an authority niche site, and rank for high search keywords, for the long haul. But to try and generate an almost immediate income, target low competition easy to rank keywords. But provide genuine useful information throughout.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    In almost every post from the OP he seems to be chastising the rest of us
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I've seen a lot Amazon threads lately. People are talking about Wolfmii's method of going after long tail phrase and also the classic method of going after keywords with high search volume. One thing I can tell people from experience is it's not easy to rank for high volume keywords, especially if you not only want to rank but also maintain your rankings.


    Long tail are the fastest way to make money and it has less risk involved but you don't see as much traffic. Right now I'm kinda of maturing. I'm getting older and spending my life trying to make niche sites is not for me. All of my views are changing as should yours. Google is constantly changing and unless you plan on building sites that truly add value, I'd say it's time to stop making sites.


    Churn and burn sites, micro niche sites are all out dated. I suppose I shouldn't even have made this thread looking back on it, I get PMed by marketers who really think that it's easy to make money and that in just a few short months they will be living large and that is not the case.

    Right now I'm working with local businesses and teaching them how to use the internet to grow their business. The offline section of WF is actually filled with some interesting threads that read like a book. There isn't no where near as much spam threads over there, some of you guys might want to go over there and get it a look see.

    There were some things I wanted to get for my new offline ventures, camera, laptop carrier etc, so instead of getting paid I spent all the money I made with Amazon on those supplies. I never received a check, I just let all the money build up and than select to get paid with gift card. That was kind of fun, like shopping for free, but not lol.


    Well, I'll leave you guys to the big debate over how to best make Amazon sites, good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      This is how you build Amazon sites with an example keyword :

      Homepage: Upright Freezer

      Categories:

      - best upright freezer
      - upright freezer reviews
      - upright freezer brands

      Posts per category:

      - best upright freezers in the world
      - top 10 upright freezers
      - whatever upright freezer
      - etc

      (Google Adwords has more inspiration to filll those categories)

      Then you write some text and add some different product types with serial numbers and all and once you start building links you will start to rank for them.

      It's a myth that you need every single kw in the title (although it does help a LOT) but for the dead easy stuff just a mention and good juice to the homepage does wonders.

      If you do it good you should have 30-50k exact searches in total, covered in about 20-30 posts. Have fun ranking, it's really not that very hard.

      Sure it's a bit of a micro niche approach but then more mini niche as we have a lot more searches then when we would go for the real micro niche approach and build a 3 page site around "bosch upright freezer".

      Actually this looks pretty damn much as Yukon it always suggested and he is the onpage specialist here so you can't go wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        This is how you build Amazon sites with an example keyword :

        Homepage: Upright Freezer

        Categories:

        - best upright freezer
        - upright freezer reviews
        - upright freezer brands

        Posts per category:

        - best upright freezers in the world
        - top 10 upright freezers
        - whatever upright freezer
        - etc

        (Google Adwords has more inspiration to filll those categories)

        Then you write some text and add some different product types with serial numbers and all and once you start building links you will start to rank for them.

        It's a myth that you need every single kw in the title (although it does help a LOT) but for the dead easy stuff just a mention and good juice to the homepage does wonders.

        If you do it good you should have 30-50k exact searches in total, covered in about 20-30 posts. Have fun ranking, it's really not that very hard.

        Sure it's a bit of a micro niche approach but then more mini niche as we have a lot more searches then when we would go for the real micro niche approach and build a 3 page site around "bosch upright freezer".

        Actually this looks pretty damn much as Yukon it always suggested and he is the onpage specialist here so you can't go wrong.
        If I were a carpenter I'd rather create a blog on what it is I love (carpentry) and write about how to build a tool shed or dog house etc and than link to the tools I use at Amazon. Your visitors wouldn't know there affiliate links and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care.

        The point is there are other ways besides just making niche sites, even Darren Rowse from Problogger has said he makes a lot more money from his photography blog than from Porblogger. People buy cameras from his blog because they trust his recommendations. He made the photography site because he is interested in that subjec, very simple.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          If I were a carpenter I'd rather create a blog on what it is I love (carpentry) and write about how to build a tool shed or dog house etc and than link to the tools I use at Amazon. Your visitors wouldn't know there affiliate links and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care.

          The point is there are other ways besides just making niche sites, even Darren Rowse from Problogger has said he makes a lot more money from his photography blog than from Porblogger. People buy cameras from his blog because they trust his recommendations. He made the photography site because he is interested in that subjec, very simple.
          I get your point, I like organizing stuff but not writing about it, instead doing it, that's why I like to launch many sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      I planned on having regular blog posts in addition to Amazon reviews, but you are correct, I'd never show a site that was important to me. I'm not promoting churn n burn methods or micro niche sites, I hate those. I simply showed the forum the results of a old case study really.


      My personal goals have never changed, I look at Adsense as a unstable program, Amazon has low commission but good customer service so I don't mind using them, or Adsense for that matter, I just hear to many stories of people being banned, there's one on the forum right now.

      The thing that I care about most is my anti-marketers site, but for personal reasons I haven't gone forward with building it out, I care about it so much I just don't want to make any mistakes. I suppose that has kept me from my goals also.
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      I've seen a lot Amazon threads lately. People are talking about Wolfmii's method of going after long tail phrase and also the classic method of going after keywords with high search volume. One thing I can tell people from experience is it's not easy to rank for high volume keywords, especially if you not only want to rank but also maintain your rankings.


      Long tail are the fastest way to make money and it has less risk involved but you don't see as much traffic. Right now I'm kinda of maturing. I'm getting older and spending my life trying to make niche sites is not for me. All of my views are changing as should yours. Google is constantly changing and unless you plan on building sites that truly add value, I'd say it's time to stop making sites.


      Churn and burn sites, micro niche sites are all out dated. I suppose I shouldn't even have made this thread looking back on it, I get PMed by marketers who really think that it's easy to make money and that in just a few short months they will be living large and that is not the case.

      Right now I'm working with local businesses and teaching them how to use the internet to grow their business. The offline section of WF is actually filled with some interesting threads that read like a book. There isn't no where near as much spam threads over there, some of you guys might want to go over there and get it a look see.

      There were some things I wanted to get for my new offline ventures, camera, laptop carrier etc, so instead of getting paid I spent all the money I made with Amazon on those supplies. I never received a check, I just let all the money build up and than select to get paid with gift card. That was kind of fun, like shopping for free, but not lol.


      Well, I'll leave you guys to the big debate over how to best make Amazon sites, good luck.
      I'll tell you straight up, the key is repeat traffic (for niche sites). I know this is an IM forum & everyones got money on the brain, but If the content can't generate repeat traffic it's only going to force the webmaster to do a boat load of self promotion, forever...

      All this writing content to appease the SERPs is where most people go wrong here on the SEO forum.

      My advice is forget about the money upfront, focus on pumping out the content people are looking for & that doesn't necessarily mean text/articles. I know people here probably think I'm BSing (I'm not) when I say I don't write articles. I could care less about writing articles, that fascination only exist here on Warrior Forum & probably similar IM/SEO forums. Out in the real world there's thousands of ways to get repeat niche traffic without articles.

      Don't take this the wrong way, it's not a flame, but I don't think you gave niche traffic a real try. You wrote articles/descriptions for Google & Amazon, that's all I see. Ask yourself: Why should traffic return to my site?

      Right now I see your site as generating one time traffic. Amazon is king of online stores, the brand is well known, your pages are basically descriptions, your up against a giant (Amazon). Who do you think is going to get the repeat traffic, your site or Amazon? My money is on Amazon.

      An easy indicator to know your on the right track for repeat traffic is when traffic is searching in their browsers search bar for the sites domain name. Traffic searching for a domain name only happens when traffic finds the site interesting, helpful, etc... An example is, I personally don't search for internet marketing forum when I'm wanting to get to this forum, I search for warrior forum (I'm repeat traffic).

      My $0.02
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        I'll tell you straight up, the key is repeat traffic (for niche sites). I know this is an IM forum & everyones got money on the brain, but If the content can't generate repeat traffic it's only going to force the webmaster to do a boat load of self promotion, forever...

        All this writing content to appease the SERPs is where most people go wrong here on the SEO forum.

        My advice is forget about the money upfront, focus on pumping out the content people are looking for & that doesn't necessarily mean text/articles. I know people here probably think I'm BSing (I'm not) when I say I don't write articles. I could care less about writing articles, that fascination only exist here on Warrior Forum & probably similar IM/SEO forums. Out in the real world there's thousands of ways to get repeat niche traffic without articles.

        Don't take this the wrong way, it's not a flame, but I don't think you gave niche traffic a real try. You wrote articles/descriptions for Google & Amazon, that's all I see. Ask yourself: Why should traffic return to my site?

        Right now I see your site as generating one time traffic. Amazon is king of online stores, the brand is well known, your pages are basically descriptions, your up against a giant (Amazon). Who do you think is going to get the repeat traffic, your site or Amazon? My money is on Amazon.

        An easy indicator to know your on the right track for repeat traffic is when traffic is searching in their browsers search bar for the sites domain name. Traffic searching for a domain name only happens when traffic finds the site interesting, helpful, etc... An example is, I personally don't search for internet marketing forum when I'm wanting to get to this forum, I search for warrior forum (I'm repeat traffic).

        My $0.02
        I totally agree. In the past I did try to understand my visitors by using Yahoo answers, Google analytic, niche forums and few other ways, but since I had no personal interest, I never really tried to get repeat traffic.

        The site I'm currently working on is of personal interest to me, so getting repeat traffic and also direct traffic is what I'm shooting for. It me a long time to realize of the things you just said, but it finally sunk in my brain.

        I spent the last yr thinking of ways to build a massive authority site, but I always ran into the problem of paying for content. Plus the fact that I never made a site that made me happy, it was always about the money first, and the website/visitors second. Now I'm putting my visitors/clients needs before my own. And by doing so you can't help but to gain loyal appreciative clients/visitors in my case.


        But the noobs really gotta get it out of there head that building a authority site is the answer, or making a bunch of niche sites. SEO is good, nothing wrong with good links paid or otherwise, but still work on getting direct traffic. As Yukon point out, I too type in Warrior Forum and not internet marketing forums. I have 1 channel as a short cut on my laptop I like that site so much.

        Just make sure your doing what you love and it won't be work, and you will naturally want to do everything in your power to get repeat traffic and promote your site. Than the money will pour in.


        Here's a vid that really help me decide what it is I wanted to do, it has nothing to do IM but everything to do with what I just said.





        Really think about what Alan Watts says, think about what it is you want to do, than make a site on that. Very simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author ochaim
    The whole reason I stumbled into IM last year was because of an authority site I was trying to build before I even knew what one was.

    Now, what's stopped me is finding out how not every niche can be monetizable. I started reading about product creation ideas, such as not finding a market for your product, but finding a product for your market instead.

    Going ahead with my authority niche site felt very much like the former, so I abandoned the idea.

    However, I'm realizing now that there are several affiliate programs directly related to my niche. Products I actually buy and use.

    If there are affiliate programs that are directly related to your niche, does that necessarily mean its a lucrative niche to enter?
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by ochaim View Post

      The whole reason I stumbled into IM last year was because of an authority site I was trying to build before I even knew what one was.

      Now, what's stopped me is finding out how not every niche can be monetizable. I started reading about product creation ideas, such as not finding a market for your product, but finding a product for your market instead.

      Going ahead with my authority niche site felt very much like the former, so I abandoned the idea.

      However, I'm realizing now that there are several affiliate programs directly related to my niche. Products I actually buy and use.

      If there are affiliate programs that are directly related to your niche, does that necessarily mean its a lucrative niche to enter?
      Yes, that's as sure a sign as any that there's money in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author starnoor
    thanks for your help, great information opening eyes to small earning but as you said it adds up
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @nest28;

    So called 1 page micro niche amazon affiliate sites are out dated?
    Also does a website so like in your thread, with let's say 10-20 articles (=product reviews long tail) each with 500 words in a micro niche, more converting than an 1 sale page with 1000 words (1 product review page) ?

    I think a 1 page sale page (1 product review) long written with 1000-1500 words must be easier to rank in the serps than a website with 10-20 articles (pages) ?

    When I write a 1 page sale page with long detailed review (1000-1500 words) for an high price amazon item , such a 1 page site will never fast ranking and good converting?

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    HI,

    @nest28; you say you don't like azon affiliate site like this;Wonderzon Demo with Zon Grabbing

    But why?
    This site has 10 recent posts (product reviews) is this not enough to get good ranking and making money every month from azon? Or what???

    OK, this site is little bit cluttery, the content is double (gift ideas), but without these issues, why should such a 10 post (page) azon affilaite site not good convert?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      HI,

      @nest28; you say you don't like azon affiliate site like this;Wonderzon Demo with Zon Grabbing

      But why?
      This site has 10 recent posts (product reviews) is this not enough to get good ranking and making money every month from azon? Or what???

      OK, this site is little bit cluttery, the content is double (gift ideas), but without these issues, why should such a 10 post (page) azon affilaite site not good convert?

      best wishes
      marco005
      It just looks tacky and commercial. Even if I knew nothing about internet marketing I wouldn't buy anything from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @nest28; to understand you right, you find this example site too commercial?
    Should it be looks more like an informational page to get better conversion rates?
    When yes, would an informative builded squidoo lenses about an product better convert as such a too commercial site?

    best wishes
    marco005



    Hi,

    I need a statistic number when possible.

    say you build 10 different niche amazon websites, each with 5,10 or more pages whatsever.
    In real life,does all these 10 niche websites makes good money every month,or only a few of them,so 20/30% or more?

    I know this from adsense marketer who build 100's of mini adsense sites,not all of them making good money every month,so 20-30% of them.

    So what is here realistic for amazon niche websites?


    marco005
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