Discovered Googles Algo

Nothing that is man made is (truly) random. It may seem random, but it has been programmed, and therefore the outcome is known. They may call it random, but it's really not random.

Just like poker sites that say that the cards come out randomly.... they seem to come out randomly, but there is a pattern. Only the programmers know that pattern.

Definitely not random, especially when it comes to the writing side of it.

Rubbish. It's not.

Its trying to get you to write solid, useful content. But forget about trying to work it out, so that you can use a loophole. It will get closed very quickly if one exists.

Funny, I think the only algo that google uses these day is strictly related to the number of dollars they can extract both from the market and from corporate advertisers, just look at any search page and you will see 25 to 50 percent advertising even though they (Google) will penalize your website if you show more than 25 percent advertising...

Its a crap shoot, pardon the gambling pun,.

lol - I love the "super serious" responses to this. OP I feel your pain.

It's not random.

Write useful and valuable content.

SEO optimize your content without any tricks (keyword stuffing, blind words, etc).

Get a lot of social shares (fb likes and shares, retweets, etc).

Create a lot of quality backlinks.

Follow this strategy and you won't have a problem.

so, what is your assumption based on? has a coin made up your decision?

Not as random as some of the posts on warrior

Mind=blown. Thanks for enlightening us. All this time I thought there was some rhyme or reason to it.

The OP may be exaggerating a bit, but he does have a point.

I see page 1 to 3 results littered with totally unrelated pages in a test niche of mine. This is for a product and you'll find a digsite page, a review for a movie with the product name in it, scraped product pages galore. My unique articles nowhere to be accounted for.

I buy a small seo package and boom, from nowhere to 3rd page in 5 weeks. All the while adding zero updates to my site, just to get a sense of the baseline effect for this seo package.

So really, quality backlinks? Frequent updates?

Not even close to what I did.

I kind of agree.

I've seen many of those sites that you're talking about. In my own niche, my #1 competitor has a site with 50 pages of average/original content, then 250 pages of crappy/spun content.

But their site outranks dozens of other sites with original content, and more diverse backlinks. The thing is, even though they have more links, more diversified, the relevancy of their links isn't as high as the site with tons of spun content.

And I still think from what I've seen, that SEO is only "random" for the majority of folks who don't know what they're doing.

For the people who do SEO on a large scale, and have been doing it for years and years, I think those are the types that have a much better idea of what needs to be done.

As an SEO newb, I like to breakdown the algo into a few essential key factors:

1) Relevancy - Massively important. Not just the page you're linking to, but the entire site that a page is attached to.

2) PR - Add relevancy to a high pr page, get lots of links like this, and you're gold.

3) Age - Get a highly relevant link from a highly relevant page, on a highly relevant site, with high pr, that is more than 1-2 years old, and you are golden imo.


With all that said, this is third time I'm outsourcing SEO on a site (after giving up my own efforts 3 times ). The first 2 times I got excellent results, and this third time my ranks are slowly moving up the SERPS as they should be.

So I believe there are people out there who realize how SEO works, and have their own refined strategies, that have taken years and years to develop. Which often makes me wonder why I even try to do SEO anymore. I never quite realize what I'm actually up against.

If you plan on doing a lot of SEO whether for yourself or other companies, I think it would be wise to buy up your own tiny "chunk" of the internet.

Do your research and buy up as much real estate as possible. Old, aged sites with high pr, then "reorganize" the internet so it benefits you.

On a large scale, thats what effective SEO seems like to me. Its like buying land. Except you're buying real estate online. You have to make a decent investment up front, then rebuild/reorganize everything so you can profit off it in the future.

Lol, you can always tell an SEO forum thread that gets posted in the main forum (wrong forum) then moved to the SEO forum.

Actually, there is some truth to this. It is not all random, though, but all the computations from the beginning up until every algorithm update ended up in chaos, hence the chaos theory:

Small differences in initial conditions (such as those due to rounding errors in numerical computation) yield widely diverging outcomes for such dynamical systems, rendering long-term prediction impossible in general.[1] This happens even though these systems are deterministic, meaning that their future behavior is fully determined by their initial conditions, with no random elements involved.[2] In other words, the deterministic nature of these systems does not make them predictable.[3][4] This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos.

So there you have it. Google's algo is not random, but pure chaos!!

well, the reason behind why i said that was because u got guys with white hat SEO getting their traffic slammed vs guys with bad spammy content getting #1. Justify that? Google wants "FRESH" content? let me cook big G up something "FRESH"... i think it likes FRESH poop

May be it was random in 2000. Because a search of "make money" could bring results of websites with no relevance to money making. There are some conditions and criteria to pass into the way through #1 spot.