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Amazon - Scaling Up

by GGpaul
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Sup everyone. So I've been an affiliate for Amazon since July, and have had some success with it. I have about 7 sites running, and two of them are no longer ranking.

Nothing has changed so far with the new 'Google' update that's supposed to be happening every day now or something? But I do want to scale up. It's probably one of my biggest challenges.

Now, a lot of you know that I use my strategy that Wolfmmiii provides. I like it a lot, and I've learned a lot from it. The thing is that, writing countless of reviews every single day makes internet marketing boring as f***. At the same time, it just seems like I can't overcome this hump, as if I'm stuck. The same steady income every month, regardless if I post 20 or 40 or 60 or even 5 articles in a month. Same thing.

I'm trying to stir up ideas. I'm thinking about going for more competitive terms and this time around actually do create backlinks. I might even want to use different themes, rather than the ones that Wolfmmiii provides and probably start building an e-mail list and just have a more interactive site.

All the sites that are up right now, are just pure reviews. Which in my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if all would eventually be taken out by Google. That's my thing, I know that a big part of my reason is that I'm not scaling up is just that...Meh. These sites just seem like it's too thin even if it has a lot of reviews (it has to have more than that), and luckily I'm still making $$ off of it.

Anyways, if anyone has an idea of what I can do on top of what I have in mind, (building a list, add different content and not just reviews) that be great. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshMcNary
    Why not try a different strategy? You have a steady stream of income, which is nice.. use it to help build an authority site for something you're actually passionate about. With all of the lessons learned in Amazon, I'm sure you could do something this way.

    Just an idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by JoshMcNary View Post

      Why not try a different strategy? You have a steady stream of income, which is nice.. use it to help build an authority site for something you're actually passionate about. With all of the lessons learned in Amazon, I'm sure you could do something this way.

      Just an idea.

      Yeah, I'm thinking about testing new things out. But that's why I wanted to hear from you guys and stir up some ideas =P. It's all about testing testing testing.

      I haven't created a single backlink for my sites, I do plan on making a new one and trying that. But like I said, one of my new idea is creating different content and not just all reviews.
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      • Profile picture of the author JoshMcNary
        That's what I do.. it takes a lot more work in the beginning, but I think they're a lot easier to scale especially when you have a list/following.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I don't see how you guys deal with writing articles, that stuff has to be boring as heck. I would rather go work a 9-5 job than write all day for a subject I don't even care about.

    I'm getting ready to overhaul one (not all) of my Adsense sites. The site gets decent traffic but I want to take it in a different direction so I can sell my own product. I enjoy the niche & the content (not articles) will come from public domain, basically re-purposing content. I have probably a few months worth of content sources lined up, I just need to make it presentable for my own site/traffic.

    My plan is to sell small bundles of content. If I'm not happy with sales by the end of 2013 I can always break the bundles of content up into pages then add Adsense. I think it will sell, just a lot of upfront work. Either way the project will create recurring income.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't see how you guys deal with writing articles, that stuff has to be boring as heck. I would rather go work a 9-5 job than write all day for a subject I don't even care about.

      I'm getting ready to overhaul one (not all) of my Adsense sites. The site gets decent traffic but I want to take it in a different direction so I can sell my own product. I enjoy the niche & the content (not articles) will come from public domain, basically re-purposing content. I have probably a few months worth of content sources lined up, I just need to make it presentable for my own site/traffic.

      My plan is to sell small bundles of content. If I'm not happy with sales by the end of 2013 I can always break the bundles of content up into pages then add Adsense. I think it will sell, just a lot of upfront work. Either way the project will create recurring income.
      Tell me about it. I hate writing. I'm not bad at it, but ffs, I didn't do internet marketing to write write write write write. Luckily, I got a new job where I'll be a link builder for a clothing company. Salary + benefits waddup! I'll invest that $$ into PPC and other cool stuff.

      But yeah, maybe I'll just make a comparison chart and rank it from there. Call it a night for one of my Amazon sites. Hmm.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        I didn't do internet marketing to write write write write write.
        What did you expect to have to do? Building websites requires content. Creating content requires writing.

        Remember, as I've said all along, IM is WORK. There are very few truly "passive" models that actually work.

        I'd argue that simply posting product reviews in a niche that you enjoy is one of the EASIEST ways to build an income online. There's also nothing wrong with adding other content to your sites. Actually, I encourage it.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          What did you expect to have to do? Building websites requires content. Creating content requires writing.

          Remember, as I've said all along, IM is WORK. There are very few truly "passive" models that actually work.

          I'd argue that simply posting product reviews in a niche that you enjoy is one of the EASIEST ways to build an income online. There's also nothing wrong with adding other content to your sites. Actually, I encourage it.
          I know internet marketing requires work. But I'm saying I didn't want to do internet marketing JUST to write. I want to do more than that. I just wanted to have ideas. I said I liked your strategy, learned a lot from it. But there's just got to be more FOR ME at least.

          I'm not looking for an easy route to success bullshit. I know it requires work, I get it. And I'm looking forward to it. But at the same time, I want to do more than just write. If I wanted to just write, I'd be a journalist or write a book or some sort.


          I just want to expand that's it.
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            I know internet marketing requires work. But I'm saying I didn't want to do internet marketing JUST to write. I want to do more than that. I just wanted to have ideas. I said I liked your strategy, learned a lot from it. But there's just got to be more FOR ME at least.

            I'm not looking for an easy route to success bullshit. I know it requires work, I get it. And I'm looking forward to it. But at the same time, I want to do more than just write. If I wanted to just write, I'd be a journalist or write a book or some sort.


            I just want to expand that's it.
            That's fair enough. I've experienced that myself on occasion. What tends to happen is that people get caught up in the "newness" of something and they love it because it works and they make money. Since it's new, it doesn't seem like work. After a while, it "becomes" work because it's no longer "new" or "fun".
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    • Profile picture of the author KuhNoodle
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't see how you guys deal with writing articles, that stuff has to be boring as heck. I would rather go work a 9-5 job than write all day for a subject I don't even care about.

      I'm getting ready to overhaul one (not all) of my Adsense sites. The site gets decent traffic but I want to take it in a different direction so I can sell my own product. I enjoy the niche & the content (not articles) will come from public domain, basically re-purposing content. I have probably a few months worth of content sources lined up, I just need to make it presentable for my own site/traffic.

      My plan is to sell small bundles of content. If I'm not happy with sales by the end of 2013 I can always break the bundles of content up into pages then add Adsense. I think it will sell, just a lot of upfront work. Either way the project will create recurring income.
      Not to venture off of topic here, but what do you do exactly Yukon? Do you outsource all you content writing?
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Sorry for sounding a bit hard but not building back links is the most stupid thing that people can do. You NEED the juice to rank high, a good amount of strong back links can rise your sales almost instantly (well at least give it a couple of weeks obvious).

    I know where the idea of not building links comes from of course, people are afraid of Penguin and often all they know about back links are things produced by softwares like MS, Senuke, UD, Scrapebox, BMD, Xrumer, just to name a few.

    You'll be amazed what a few good back links can do though. As you said you keep on adding content and ain't seeing any traffic increase, while that also costs money. Add 20 articles, $100 out of the pocket (as you talk about scaling you can't keep writing yourself for ever so those costs as are the absolute minimum). For $100,- you can also buy a decent PR3 or PR4 domain and link out to a couple of sites.

    Another thing about Wolfmiii's strategy that I don't agree with is focusing on all those product type numbers. I just build an Amazon site myself, I added 26 articles, each article focuses on brand + product, but for the sake of diversifying my titles I also included a product number , if it was only to make the review look more legit as afterall we are reviewing individual products.

    Now that I am ranking at page 2 and 3 for quite a bunch of keywords, I am also ranking at the top of page 1 for a ton of keywords with the product "type/number" included.

    So far I got ZERO traffic, so the whole idea of focusing on products like Samsung XL3255 HDTV brought me nowhere. Nothing to worry as I back link and will rank for the kw's with 1k+ exact searches within a couple of weeks to drive traffic, but the whole concept as teached in that WSO haven't brought me a single visitor so far.

    Sure something to think about when you say that you can add 5, 10 or 20 reviews a month without seeing any traffic increases.

    Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Sorry for sounding a bit hard but not building back links is the most stupid thing that people can do. You NEED the juice to rank high, a good amount of strong back links can rise your sales almost instantly (well at least give it a couple of weeks obvious).

      I know where the idea of not building links comes from of course, people are afraid of Penguin and often all they know about back links are things produced by softwares like MS, Senuke, UD, Scrapebox, BMD, Xrumer, just to name a few.

      You'll be amazed what a few good back links can do though. As you said you keep on adding content and ain't seeing any traffic increase, while that also costs money. Add 20 articles, $100 out of the pocket (as you talk about scaling you can't keep writing yourself for ever so those costs as are the absolute minimum). For $100,- you can also buy a decent PR3 or PR4 domain and link out to a couple of sites.

      Another thing about Wolfmiii's strategy that I don't agree with is focusing on all those product type numbers. I just build an Amazon site myself, I added 26 articles, each article focuses on brand + product, but for the sake of diversifying my titles I also included a product number , if it was only to make the review look more legit as afterall we are reviewing individual products.

      Now that I am ranking at page 2 and 3 for quite a bunch of keywords, I am also ranking at the top of page 1 for a ton of keywords with the product "type/number" included.

      So far I got ZERO traffic, so the whole idea of focusing on products like Samsung XL3255 HDTV brought me nowhere. Nothing to worry as I back link and will rank for the kw's with 1k+ exact searches within a couple of weeks to drive traffic, but the whole concept as teached in that WSO haven't brought me a single visitor so far.

      Sure something to think about when you say that you can add 5, 10 or 20 reviews a month without seeing any traffic increases.

      Just my 2 cents.
      Well first of all, IDGAF if you sound too hard. You're entitled to whatever the f you want to say. That being said, I don't believe that's true. I have a couple of friends that I know that are successful without building a single backlink. Hell, they don't even know anything about SEO. What do they do? The typical saying "Provide content" for other people to like share and do all that shit where it builds natural backlinks. That being said, I'm not against building backlinks. But at the same time, I don't think people are stupid for not doing so.

      I'm not scared of this whole Penguin, Panda, big bear, little bear, aligator crap either. I just never got into building backlinks because I've been so caught up experimenting other types of internet marketing.

      You tell me about you getting ZERO traffic, well why is it that I've been profiting/getting traffic with model numbers? Just because it's not working for you, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work for everyone else. That's unfortunate that you aren't getting traffic whatsoever either.

      Anyways, I came here to ask for ideas.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Well first of all, IDGAF if you sound too hard. You're entitled to whatever the f you want to say. That being said, I don't believe that's true. I have a couple of friends that I know that are successful without building a single backlink. Hell, they don't even know anything about SEO. What do they do? The typical saying "Provide content" for other people to like share and do all that shit where it builds natural backlinks. That being said, I'm not against building backlinks. But at the same time, I don't think people are stupid for not doing so.

        I'm not scared of this whole Penguin, Panda, big bear, little bear, aligator crap either. I just never got into building backlinks because I've been so caught up experimenting other types of internet marketing.

        You tell me about you getting ZERO traffic, well why is it that I've been profiting/getting traffic with model numbers? Just because it's not working for you, doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work for everyone else. That's unfortunate that you aren't getting traffic whatsoever either.

        Anyways, I came here to ask for ideas.
        You asked for idea's cause you're stuck with the same profit/revenue, I gave the best idea to you already, build solid links, and not only to your new site but also to your existing site to improve your income almost immidiately.

        Besides that I never said that it's impossible to be successful without building links, but I do know for a fact that the people who you used as an example would be even more successful if they did build links, plus it would have kick started their business faster so either way they are leaving money on the table (assuming they build links in a proper way).
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        • Profile picture of the author stolf
          Hi

          I have 2 sites from wolfmmiis too, and what im doing is adding articles in my niche without any affiliate links.Hopefully that way im building more of a autority site and wont get effected by google zoo.I havent done any backlinking yet either, but planning to do so in future.

          And i outsource everything at odesk because i suck at writhing in english.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by stolf View Post

            Hi

            I have 2 sites from wolfmmiis too, and what im doing is adding articles in my niche without any affiliate links.Hopefully that way im building more of a autority site and wont get effected by google zoo.I havent done any backlinking yet either, but planning to do so in future.

            And i outsource everything at odesk because i suck at writhing in english.
            I've outsourced on iWriter. What I do is I specifically tell them in "special instructions" what to do. And if all else fails, I just edit it. Have you had some success with your sites?
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            • Profile picture of the author stolf
              Both my sites are new, the latest one are just a week and the other one i have 30ish reviews and a couple sales.So hopefully i will see some succes in near future when scaling it up.
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            • Profile picture of the author IM Ash
              I'm not an Amazon marketer but FWIW I always find value in sites that actually provide a REAL review of the product (there aren't many out there). Often you will find negative reviews on these sites as well.... it is not all about hyping up a product for a sale. It will cost more but a website like this can actually be shared socially and has the potential to go viral.

              A video review of a product showing its features, pros and cons is worth far more than some 500 word article that isn't really a true reflection of the product.

              I was looking for a new pair of Ray-Bans the other day and I found massive value in the video reviews I came across which helped me with my purchase decision, but a quality video camera and good lighting is a must if you ever consider doing video reviews.
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              • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                Originally Posted by IM Ash View Post

                I'm not an Amazon marketer but FWIW I always find value in sites that actually provide a REAL review of the product (there aren't many out there). Often you will find negative reviews on these sites as well.... it is not all about hyping up a product for a sale. It will cost more but a website like this can actually be shared socially and has the potential to go viral.

                A video review of a product showing its features, pros and cons is worth far more than some 500 word article that isn't really a true reflection of the product.

                I was looking for a new pair of Ray-Bans the other day and I found massive value in the video reviews I came across which helped me with my purchase decision, but a quality video camera and good lighting is a must if you ever consider doing video reviews.

                Thanks boss. I appreciate the comments.

                I just signed up for gazcooper at amazontrainingacademuy or something like that. (sorry drunk). I'm gonna go through his training and see if i can learn more stufff.

                You guys have a good night err morning or whatever.
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            • Profile picture of the author online only
              Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

              I've outsourced on iWriter. What I do is I specifically tell them in "special instructions" what to do. And if all else fails, I just edit it. Have you had some success with your sites?
              No offence, but adding content from iWriter will most likely hurt your site and your rankings.
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              • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                Originally Posted by online only View Post

                No offence, but adding content from iWriter will most likely hurt your site and your rankings.
                Hahahahahaha. Obviously you didn't read the whole thing. I said I edit the content. Which saves me a lot more time than writing it. And if you know how to use it wisely such as "Special instructions" then you wouldn't have a problem. You can always reject their articles.

                I've been using them for 6 months now, and it hasn't hurt my rankings at all.
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              • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
                Originally Posted by online only View Post

                No offence, but adding content from iWriter will most likely hurt your site and your rankings.
                You can't be serious? Please tell me exactly why you think this.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Another thing about Wolfmiii's strategy that I don't agree with is focusing on all those product type numbers.
      It's universal knowledge that someone who is searching for a specific product (ie. panasonic z2300 review) is someone who is VERY LATE in the buying cycle and is probably someone who has his wallet out. Targeting these people is a sure-fire way to easy commissions because they are ready to buy.

      So far I got ZERO traffic, so the whole idea of focusing on products like Samsung XL3255 HDTV brought me nowhere.

      ......

      the whole concept as teached in that WSO haven't brought me a single visitor so far.
      I built a site for a client who added 20 poorly-written reviews. He "said" he wasn't making any commissions so he sold it back to me (bestlawngarden.com). Know what? In the few days I've owned it (and without making any changes), I've already sold a few weed-wackers, a lawn mower or two, and some other small stuff. Virtually all traffic is from "product model"-type searches.

      I've always said there will be duds along the way. People are always searching for the "latest and greatest" products, regardless of niche. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from 20 reviews. That's also something I've always told clients.

      Unless you have several dozen to a hundred or so reviews posted, I wouldn't expect to see a TON of traffic. That's simply not how the strategy works.



      Sure something to think about when you say that you can add 5, 10 or 20 reviews a month without seeing any traffic increases.
      If you aren't seeing traffic increases after posting a review per day for 30, 60, 90, 120, etc days, you are doing something wrong (or are VERY unlucky). Most sites that I build see page-one ranking rates of close to 65%-75%. That's unheard of. With that kind of ranking success, traffic come almost by accident.

      I've also always said that this strategy, although effective for earning quick commissions, is a long-term strategy. The problem is that many folks on this forum cannot comprehend that terminology. Everyone is looking for something that is going to make money today. It's also a foundation strategy.

      The purpose of adding lots and lots of reviews of low-comp products in a niche is to slowly establish yourself as an authority in the niche. I've always maintained that even the reviews that DON'T produce add value to the site. You should be slowly adding more and more higher-competition products.

      Was PCMag built in a day? a month? a year? How about CNET?

      The point, folks, is that this is a long-term strategy that you should be building upon. Long-term, you should be thinking about a 3-tiered strategy.

      Remember all, I've always said that this strategy is really meant to be implemented by someone who ENJOYS/UNDERSTANDS the niche he is targeting. If you find it boring discussing new products / technology in the niche you've chosen, this strategy is simply not for you OR you've chased the money and gone into a niche that does not interest you. This is nothing new.

      Also, if you hate writing, not only is this strategy not for you but neither are review sites in general. When running a website, YOU are a PUBLISHER. It makes no sense for you to get into the PUBLISHING business if you hate writing.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        It's universal knowledge that someone who is searching for a specific product (ie. panasonic z2300 review) is someone who is VERY LATE in the buying cycle and is probably someone who has his wallet out. Targeting these people is a sure-fire way to easy commissions because they are ready to buy.
        I understand that but it has a short life span, as there will be new models people won't search for the old ones anymore so you can only bank temporarily from it. Probably the reason why OP can keep on adding content and maintain the same revenue without growing bigger as the old models don't get searched anymore.


        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        I built a site for a client who added 20 poorly-written reviews. He "said" he wasn't making any commissions so he sold it back to me (bestlawngarden.com). Know what? In the few days I've owned it (and without making any changes), I've already sold a few weed-wackers, a lawn mower or two, and some other small stuff. Virtually all traffic is from "product model"-type searches.
        Poor man that he sold too fast, or maybe his Amazon link was broken lol.


        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        If you aren't seeing traffic increases after posting a review per day for 30, 60, 90, 120, etc days, you are doing something wrong (or are VERY unlucky). Most sites that I build see page-one ranking rates of close to 65%-75%. That's unheard of. With that kind of ranking success, traffic come almost by accident.
        These were OP's words, he kept adding content but maintained the same traffic revenue, for the reason that I explained above. It's continously chasing new product numbers, not much of a passive income. A kw like "best lawnmower" will always have the same amount of searches (apart from winter/summer period) so the content investment is a one time thing.


        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        I've also always said that this strategy, although effective for earning quick commissions, is a long-term strategy. The problem is that many folks on this forum cannot comprehend that terminology. Everyone is looking for something that is going to make money today. It's also a foundation strategy.

        The purpose of adding lots and lots of reviews of low-comp products in a niche is to slowly establish yourself as an authority in the niche. I've always maintained that even the reviews that DON'T produce add value to the site. You should be slowly adding more and more higher-competition products.
        Got to agree on that part.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Poor man that he sold too fast, or maybe his Amazon link was broken lol.
          Yeah. I kinda felt bad taking ownership back.

          not much of a passive income

          ....

          A kw like "best lawnmower" will always have the same amount of searches
          That's the thing. My strategy ISN'T a "passive" income strategy and was never billed as one (at least not by me). It's actually quite a bit of work.

          Also, yes, "best lawnmower" will have more searches but ranking requires a ton of work on back-linking. It's also not a term that "buyers" use.

          Think about it. What happens to that visitor who lands on your site when searching for "best lawnmowers"?

          I'll tell you....

          He finds a model on your site that catches his eye. He then goes searching for "greenworks x5400 reviews" (because that's how the buying cycle works), finds my site, and buys through my affiliate link, leaving you out in the cold.

          I prefer to EASILY rank for 50 low-comp terms by focusing on building content rather than spending time chasing backlinks and having no time to actually add content to my site.

          That's always been the gist of my strategy.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            Also, yes, "best lawnmower" will have more searches but ranking requires a ton of work on back-linking.
            That's simply not true, to make real good money in IM you need to invest, we are all aware of that, so why not invest in a private network and make it easy to rank for such keyword. Really not that difficult, I rank for "best ......" at #20 within 5 days (the most competitive kw that I have on my site), sure #20 is not page 1 obvious but I didn't build much links either, so 2 more sets of these links and I will enter page 1.


            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            It's also not a term that "buyers" use.
            Although I believe that it doesn't convert as well as a direct product number, it's still a keyword that converts very well, and thus a buyers keyword. I have clients that are only after such keywords and they have many campaigns with me, same as with the "brand [product]" keywords, I chatted quite a few times with several of those people and they make real good money and keep launching site after site.


            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            Think about it. What happens to that visitor who lands on your site when searching for "best lawnmowers"?

            I'll tell you....

            He finds a model on your site that catches his eye. He then goes searching for "greenworks x5400 reviews" (because that's how the buying cycle works), finds my site, and buys through my affiliate link, leaving you out in the cold.
            By the time he left the site he has already visited Amazon first and I don't think the cookie gets resets when he visits another site afterwards, there are plenty of smart ways to get people to click an Amazon link out of their free will (as in without using malicious scripts, just so that we understand each other).


            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            I prefer to EASILY rank for 50 low-comp terms by focusing on building content rather than spending time chasing backlinks and having no time to actually add content to my site.

            That's always been the gist of my strategy.
            You don't have to chase back links, you can setup your own network of high PR domains and keep it 100% private for yourself. That way you're in full control and make your own rankings instead of depending on Google to see where they will land you, and when you know how to do it properly you avoid any type of penalty.

            For me it's all about scaling and getting results fast. I really can't wait for Google to decide to rank me or not just based on content.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              That's simply not true, to make real good money in IM you need to invest, we are all aware of that, so why not invest in a private network and make it easy to rank for such keyword. Really not that difficult, I rank for "best ......" at #20 within 5 days (the most competitive kw that I have on my site), sure #20 is not page 1 obvious but I didn't build much links either, so 2 more sets of these links and I will enter page 1.
              Most beginners don't have lots of time or money to invest. That's why my strategy is best utilized as a foundation. It works and it requires little to no investment whatsoever.

              Although I believe that it doesn't convert as well as a direct product number, it's still a keyword that converts very well, and thus a buyers keyword. I have clients that are only after such keywords and they have many campaigns with me, same as with the "brand [product]" keywords, I chatted quite a few times with several of those people and they make real good money and keep launching site after site.
              Of course those terms will convert to some degree. That said, my entire strategy is predicated on the fact that you have, for argument's sake, 4 hours per day to devote to IM. Assuming that, I prefer to spend those 4 hours building MY OWN site by adding content (that ranks easily for low competition stuff) rather than spending an hour per day actually building my site and 3 hours chasing after backlinks, which, by the way, help build someone else's website.

              There are always different ways of doing things. I happen to prefer my strategy. It's simply more enjoyable.


              By the time he left the site he has already visited Amazon first and I don't think the cookie gets resets when he visits another site afterwards, there are plenty of smart ways to get people to click an Amazon link out of their free will (as in without using malicious scripts, just so that we understand each other).
              Yes, it does. Last cookie wins.

              You don't have to chase back links, you can setup your own network of high PR domains and keep it 100% private for yourself. That way you're in full control and make your own rankings instead of depending on Google to see where they will land you, and when you know how to do it properly you avoid any type of penalty.
              Agreed. However, most beginners simply don't have the wherewithal to do so. And if you do it wrong, you are penalized.

              For me it's all about scaling and getting results fast. I really can't wait for Google to decide to rank me or not just based on content.
              My strategy was never billed as something for FAST results. It's always been about long-term.
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          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


          Got to agree on that part.
          And this is the most important, and most-overlooked, piece of my strategy....
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        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Also, if you hate writing, not only is this strategy not for you but neither are review sites in general. When running a website, YOU are a PUBLISHER. It makes no sense for you to get into the PUBLISHING business if you hate writing.
        Don't agree with that, I am a terrible writer and I hate it as well, you think I won't be successful with Amazon review sites?

        I express successful in $'s made, I leave the truly informative sites to others who are better at that and will still manage to outrank them with my less indepth content, simply cause I have a great edge on the SEO front.

        Anyway, we're talking besides each other, your aim is huge authority sites, my aim is tons of mini authority sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Don't agree with that, I am a terrible writer and I hate it as well, you think I won't be successful with Amazon review sites?
          It's not that you won't necessarily be successful. I'm saying if you hate writing, what makes you think you'll enjoy PUBLISHING content when the primary task is WRITING?
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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            It's not that you won't necessarily be successful. I'm saying if you hate writing, what makes you think you'll enjoy PUBLISHING content when the primary task is WRITING?
            What I like to do is figure out strategies, that's also one of the reasons why I ended up with selling SEO services, it's a challenge for me to come up with the best strategy.

            All the other tasks like setting up websites, writing content, inserting affiliate links , publishing the posts are necessary sub tasks for me and as I don't enjoy these things so I outsource every piece of the puzzle that I created.

            The only thing that I still do myself is KW research, and figuring out which niche to target.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              What I like to do is figure out strategies, that's also one of the reasons why I ended up with selling SEO services, it's a challenge for me to come up with the best strategy.

              All the other tasks like setting up websites, writing content, inserting affiliate links , publishing the posts are necessary sub tasks for me and as I don't enjoy these things so I outsource every piece of the puzzle that I created.

              The only thing that I still do myself is KW research, and figuring out which niche to target.
              Fair enough. I happen to enjoy the website builds, content publishing, etc. Those tasks (website, content, etc) also happen to be the simplest tasks for the newbie to complete.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                Fair enough. I happen to enjoy the website builds, content publishing, etc. Those tasks (website, content, etc) also happen to be the simplest tasks for the newbie to complete.
                What the heck about the last cookie wins. I believe that at most affiliate sites it does not work that way, oh well.

                Yeah when I think about it your strategy is probably better for newbie's indeed, they can easily throw a lot of money away on poor domains if they don't know what they are doing.

                I just launced a new service/network of 100 domains and the total costs are somewhere around 5k, add a few thousand dollar for hosting per year and it adds up rather quick.
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            • Profile picture of the author manishak
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              What I like to do is figure out strategies, that's also one of the reasons why I ended up with selling SEO services, it's a challenge for me to come up with the best strategy.

              All the other tasks like setting up websites, writing content, inserting affiliate links , publishing the posts are necessary sub tasks for me and as I don't enjoy these things so I outsource every piece of the puzzle that I created.

              The only thing that I still do myself is KW research, and figuring out which niche to target.
              That's scary! Do you monitor the outsourced work?
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by manishak View Post

                That's scary! Do you monitor the outsourced work?
                Well, site is creation is a new thing I just started and since I live in Thailand now it's pretty easy to find cheap employee's so the one who does it is actually sitting right next to me now and working for 10k baht/month, 6 hrs a day / 6 hrs a week so I keep a close eye on it and check every post as we just started out.

                Most people here earn around 7k baht/month and have to work 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week, so pretty good deal for them.

                About content, well I can chose who to outsource with and have a very cheap semi-reasonable writer and I have my guy from the US that I never have to check so QC is unnecessary there, but obvious I do read through some articles now and then to check the writing style.

                The technical part I do myself, like kw research, purchasing domain, setting up nameservers, hosting, WP settings, installing Plugins + settings, buying a header etc.

                But writing and uploading the posts as well as finding images and appropriate affiliate links I let other people do as that's real basic / boring work really. Right now I'm a bit in test phase for ad placement, kw strategies, onpage SEO.
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                • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Well, site is creation is a new thing I just started and since I live in Thailand now it's pretty easy to find cheap employee's so the one who does it is actually sitting right next to me now and working for 10k baht/month, 6 hrs a day / 6 hrs a week so I keep a close eye on it and check every post as we just started out.

                  Most people here earn around 7k baht/month and have to work 12 hrs a day, 7 days a week, so pretty good deal for them.

                  About content, well I can chose who to outsource with and have a very cheap semi-reasonable writer and I have my guy from the US that I never have to check so QC is unnecessary there, but obvious I do read through some articles now and then to check the writing style.

                  The technical part I do myself, like kw research, purchasing domain, setting up nameservers, hosting, WP settings, installing Plugins + settings, buying a header etc.

                  But writing and uploading the posts as well as finding images and appropriate affiliate links I let other people do as that's real basic / boring work really. Right now I'm a bit in test phase for ad placement, kw strategies, onpage SEO.
                  As we can see from this thread there's more than one way to skin a cat, there's a lot of guys here doing pretty good from Amazon and while some of them can let there egos get the better of them, there's lots of good advice here.

                  I'm not going to join in this bun fight just sit on the sidelines and take notes!

                  Whereabouts are you in Thailand Nik? I'm up in Chiang Mai, I outsource some stuff my self but I found the average Thai doesn't give me the quality work I get from outsourcers from other countries. What sort of tasks do you get them doing?

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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Stevie C View Post

                    As we can see from this thread there's more than one way to skin a cat, there's a lot of guys here doing pretty good from Amazon and while some of them can let there egos get the better of them, there's lots of good advice here.

                    I'm not going to join in this bun fight just sit on the sidelines and take notes!

                    Whereabouts are you in Thailand Nik? I'm up in Chiang Mai, I outsource some stuff my self but I found the average Thai doesn't give me the quality work I get from outsourcers from other countries. What sort of tasks do you get them doing?

                    Stevie C
                    I'm in Pattaya and the one who is working with me is my ex-lover and resigned almost twice in 3 days already lol. Man they speak so poor English, let alone be able to read so I need to explain everything at least a dozen times and still make mistakes yes, but I guess when time passes by it will go better.

                    The work for my clients is outsourced to the US (content writing) and Pakistan for the actual link building, although that with the VA team in Pakistan didn't go over one night ice either but now all go's automatically.

                    We talk easy about VA's while it's all but easy to get them to do it exactly like we want.
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                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      I'm in Pattaya and the one who is working with me is my ex-lover and resigned almost twice in 3 days already lol. Man they speak so poor English, let alone be able to read so I need to explain everything at least a dozen times and still make mistakes yes, but I guess when time passes by it will go better.

                      The work for my clients is outsourced to the US (content writing) and Pakistan for the actual link building, although that with the VA team in Pakistan didn't go over one night ice either but now all go's automatically.

                      We talk easy about VA's while it's all but easy to get them to do it exactly like we want.
                      I've tried to get my girlfriend to help me out with new sites.. Never worked, she gave up in 2-minutes.
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                      • Profile picture of the author tryingtolearn
                        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                        I'm not saying it doesn't work, but let's face it, your strategy isn't going to make people a 5-figure income. I got my writer to write a review a few weeks back for a 10k/exact match product. Now, I'm ranked #2 and absolutely nailing it (the product sells for $750).

                        I'm not saying people shouldn't use your strategy, or that it's bad, because it's perfect for beginners. My point is, and per the original post, is that there's bigger and better fish out there to fry. Find a profitable heavily searched niche with extremely popular products and strive to rank in the top 3. Once you're there, it's a cash cow.

                        That btw, is just one product I target on the site, over a total of 12, each with 500+ searches. As all my work is outsourced (pbn articles / reviews), I've spent a total of.. 1-hour on the site (setting it up).
                        Do you use emd consisting of product names? Also, $750 product you are talking about, how is the competition in serp? Any big guns like cnet in the serp?

                        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                        I've tried to get my girlfriend to help me out with new sites.. Never worked, she gave up in 2-minutes.
                        How supportive your girlfriend is... I am extremely jealous :p
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              • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
                To be making high 5 and 6 figure amazon earnings you have to have work outsourced or have people in house. By the time you hit 5 figures your already selling direct ads to the big boys because of your huge amount of traffic and authority. Think about a site that reviews electronics lets say Cnet , do you think that 1 person is behind the whole thing ?
                They have hundreds of categories, dedicated writers for each category , a dedicated Seo team, a dedicated video production team , thousands of dollars invested in campaigns (Social,Tv,Ppc), a content marketing strategist bla bla bla you get the picture.

                Its like a local pop and mom shop against a Giant like tesco.

                When you outsource to a VA (Virtual Assistant) you are getting one step closer to Cnet - Tesco or whatever, it costs money but it makes money (ROI). The closer you get the more you make step by step.

                My plan on scaling up with an amazon site (or any internet venture) is to partner with other people like nik0 (even though just started working with him) is an Einstein monster linkbuilder , wolfmmii hes got the brains he knows what he is doing and has got a work ethic most would dream of.
                Im the type that does his research and gets where others do in years in a month and Im a master o all trades. Mix people like that together a couple of writers - Va's and you have your next money-printing machine.
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                • Profile picture of the author manishak
                  Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

                  To be making high 5 and 6 figure amazon earnings you have to have work outsourced or have people in house.
                  Well, Dennis has handled the question well. But thanks for your inputs. I am sure owner of the thread would love your idea of "scaling up".
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  • Profile picture of the author wisdomoto
    hey check out Matt Clark & Jason Katzenback if you haven't already, i've just seen some of their strategies for Amazon and I was pretty impressed

    I'm thinking of doing Amazon, I shyed away from it in the past due to low affiliate commission %
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    At the same time, it just seems like I can't overcome this hump, as if I'm stuck. The same steady income every month, regardless if I post 20 or 40 or 60 or even 5 articles in a month. Same thing.
    How about the reviews you posted previous months?? I don't understand why its the same income every month. Do your older reviews move down the SERPs?? I thought Wolfmmi said the low comp strat was steady even without backlinking.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

      How about the reviews you posted previous months?? I don't understand why its the same income every month. Do your older reviews move down the SERPs?? I thought Wolfmmi said the low comp strat was steady even without backlinking.
      That does seem a bit strange. If you write 5 reviews a day you'll have 100 other doorways to Amazon (100 posts) in just a month, which would only increase income. The only thing I can think of is that GGpaul is in the technology niche. New models come out everyday and people are searching for reviews of these products instead of a laptop, desktop or whatever released a few months ago. Are you, GGpaul?
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    • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
      If your going after single product reviews I'm afraid that either your going to kill yourself trying or you have a hell of a followship to back it up and rank against the big boys. Im not saying that these reviews won't get you $$$ but theres other ways. What you have to do is look closer into what makes great sites great. Dependant on your niche maybe a News column ? A member forum ? a unique product ? a unique app ? these might seem lame but if you use your imagination they can help to earn a hell of an income .
      I've actually plateaued my own Amazon sites but I'm diversifiying now and have added some features and have a ton to add down the road its like a never ending marathon to be the best.

      Build best lists with small 50 word description and a link to your product review, giving them that extra oomph to rank higher and rank the "best" article in the process. This gives a feel of a more review only site (not solely an affiliate site) it should break the affiliate link - text ratio which would help you rank higher and gain google trust. Btw bounce rate will drop and visit duration should be higher.

      Stop using those amazon java plugins your just giving google more signs that your a fake e-commerce review site.

      Btw Im in the technology niche ... earning 2k a month lol
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

        If your going after single product reviews I'm afraid that either your going to kill yourself trying or you have a hell of a followship to back it up and rank against the big boys. Im not saying that these reviews won't get you $$$ but theres other ways. What you have to do is look closer into what makes great sites great. Dependant on your niche maybe a News column ? A member forum ? a unique product ? a unique app ? these might seem lame but if you use your imagination they can help to earn a hell of an income .
        I've actually plateaued my own Amazon sites but I'm diversifiying now and have added some features and have a ton to add down the road its like a never ending marathon to be the best.

        Build best lists with small 50 word description and a link to your product review, giving them that extra oomph to rank higher and rank the "best" article in the process. This gives a feel of a more review only site (not solely an affiliate site) it should break the affiliate link - text ratio which would help you rank higher and gain google trust. Btw bounce rate will drop and visit duration should be higher.

        Stop using those amazon java plugins your just giving google more signs that your a fake e-commerce review site.

        Btw Im in the technology niche ... earning 2k a month lol
        I've seen one of the sites of AmazonGuy and he knows what he's doing, totally different then all the sites that I've seen so far, and guess what? It works, he ranks for a ton of keywords.

        Interesting enough it's even hard to find an affiliate link at his site lol, there is not a single buy now button or some type of "click here for more reviews" link and still he makes good money from the site

        I'm still doing it wrong btw with huge buy now buttons but I'm in the process of testing my own thing. Anyone can advice me, I never listen

        Also there are complete different ways of KW research, when going after new product numbers you know they will get outdated and not make any money after x months. Today you focus on iPhone 4, tomorrow iPhone 5, and then iPhone 6, and then all of a sudden it's iPad instead of iPhone, just to name a flawed example.
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        • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
          Btw Nik0 please don't give out my sites name Im getting traffic from the warriorforum... thanks in advance
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

            Btw Nik0 please don't give out my sites name Im getting traffic from the warriorforum... thanks in advance
            Lol are you kidding me? I never give out site names to anyone, if you get traffic from the WF then it must have been me clicking on the link in the PM.
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            • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
              You live in Chachoengsao ?
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

                You live in Chachoengsao ?
                I'm located in Thailand yes, next time think before you start accusing people.
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                • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
                  Sorry about that nik0 my apologies.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

                    Sorry about that nik0 my apologies.
                    Thanks, no worry, as I sell SEO services it would be pretty unethical to show other people's sites and if I want to show sites I would show my own but I don't even do that as I don't want to expose my network to everyone. Just started another Amazon thread and went so far to edit out all the info that might lead to that site.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Also there are complete different ways of KW research, when going after new product numbers you know they will get outdated and not make any money after x months. Today you focus on iPhone 4, tomorrow iPhone 5, and then iPhone 6, and then all of a sudden it's iPad instead of iPhone, just to name a flawed example.
          If that's the case, why am I still ranked #2 and seeing over 500 visitors per month (and 300 affiliate clicks per month) from JUST ONE television review that I posted back in 2012?

          That said, I do agree that there are different ways of doing keyword research. I just don't subscribe to them.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            If that's the case, why am I still ranked #2 and seeing over 500 visitors per month (and 300 affiliate clicks per month) from JUST ONE television review that I posted back in 2012?

            That said, I do agree that there are different ways of doing keyword research. I just don't subscribe to them.
            There are always exceptions to the rule.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              There are always exceptions to the rule.
              That was just one example. I have many others.
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    I got rid of the technology niche. It was my first site. It's weird, it's just....stagnant -_-.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I got rid of the technology niche. It was my first site. It's weird, it's just....stagnant -_-.
      Are the keywords ranking in the same positions as before? Traffic the same? If not, then it sounds as if your conversion rate has gone down, which is just as inexplicable.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

        Are the keywords ranking in the same positions as before? Traffic the same? If not, then it sounds as if your conversion rate has gone down, which is just as inexplicable.
        7 % conversion rate total.


        The niche on technology is a joke. Hmm.....I work with a partner (my best friend). I need to go through the shit that he researches. He's the one that researches for me. Perhaps he goes for the wrong product. We'll see..

        You guys are strictly using wolfs strat and are scaling up?
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        • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
          Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

          7 % conversion rate total.


          The niche on technology is a joke. Hmm.....I work with a partner (my best friend). I need to go through the shit that he researches. He's the one that researches for me. Perhaps he goes for the wrong product. We'll see..

          You guys are strictly using wolfs strat and are scaling up?
          I know what you mean about the technology niche. The second Amazon site I ever built was focused on technological products. It got hit on the 6th March, but I'm not all that bothered. I mean, it results in $400 less a month in income, but I hadn't updated it in a few months and was hardly proud of it. I figured that it would die out soon enough anyway.

          I ditched Wolf's strategy a long time ago. Best thing I ever did. I created my own strategy and haven't looked back. Now making a full time income solely from Amazon.

          Best advice I can give you is to find your own way of writing reviews that convert, although 7% seems pretty damn good, to be honest. I wouldn't recommend using Wolf's template either, simply because when I check out the competition in the SERP's, it's filled with these cookie-cutter sites.

          It really is a numbers a game. Around 70 clicks a day should be enough to make a full time income (it is for me, anyway).

          Like anyone else who discovers something that works, I'm scaling up. Plan is to make 1 website with 100 reviews each a month. I must admit that I've been lazy this month, though. Really need to step it up, but it's hard when you're bored of writing reviews.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

            I know what you mean about the technology niche. The second Amazon site I ever built was focused on technological products. It got hit on the 6th March, but I'm not all that bothered. I mean, it results in $400 less a month in income, but I hadn't updated it in a few months and was hardly proud of it. I figured that it would die out soon enough anyway.

            I ditched Wolf's strategy a long time ago. Best thing I ever did. I created my own strategy and haven't looked back. Now making a full time income solely from Amazon.

            Best advice I can give you is to find your own way of writing reviews that convert, although 7% seems pretty damn good, to be honest. I wouldn't recommend using Wolf's template either, simply because when I check out the competition in the SERP's, it's filled with these cookie-cutter sites.

            It really is a numbers a game. Around 70 clicks a day should be enough to make a full time income (it is for me, anyway).

            Like anyone else who discovers something that works, I'm scaling up. Plan is to make 1 website with 100 reviews each a month. I must admit that I've been lazy this month, though. Really need to step it up, but it's hard when you're bored of writing reviews.
            That's where I'm at right now, just trying to figure out a strategy for myself.

            I looked into that Gazcooper amzontrainingacademy thing. MEH.
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

            I wouldn't recommend using Wolf's template either, simply because when I check out the competition in the SERP's, it's filled with these cookie-cutter sites.
            You might want to look at "Perfect Post".....
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            • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              You might want to look at "Perfect Post".....
              Not sure what you're talking about...

              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              You'd have to define "full-time income" because 70 clicks per day may work for you if you are targeting expensive items (or items that appeal to folks who purchase expensive items) but for someone targeting $50 blenders, 70 clicks per day isn't even close to what they are gonna need.
              While the amount is different for each person, I define full time income as making $100+ a day (including weekends) - that's usually the number thrown around on this board.

              I thought that was pretty obvious, but to make things clearer I will say that selling $1,430 worth of goods at a 7% conversion rate will make you $100 a day.
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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

                While the amount is different for each person, I define full time income as making $100+ a day (including weekends) - that's usually the number thrown around on this board.

                I thought that was pretty obvious, but to make things clearer I will say that selling $1,430 worth of goods at a 7% conversion rate will make you $100 a day.
                For me, personally, $100 per day is not close to a full-time income. That's why I asked.
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

            It really is a numbers a game. Around 70 clicks a day should be enough to make a full time income (it is for me, anyway).
            You'd have to define "full-time income" because 70 clicks per day may work for you if you are targeting expensive items (or items that appeal to folks who purchase expensive items) but for someone targeting $50 blenders, 70 clicks per day isn't even close to what they are gonna need.
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    I need to know more about PPC.

    I know it's powerful, but it sure is expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author shadowalice
    I do amazon with autopilot. I make $30-$70 a day. But I word 4 hours for 3 days. I add content to my site with spin content and they rank well.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
      Shadowalice - if its software spun articles wait until you get caught from the big G. Love it while you can....
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
    Wolf: What's this "Perfect Post" thing you speak of? Just curious.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
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      Wolf: What's this "Perfect Post" thing you speak of? Just curious.
      Sent you a PM...
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    I still don't understand this wolf guys strategy. Building sites targeting 50-searches is absolutely stupid. I build sites targeting 4-10k exact match searches and have built up 20+ of them thus far. Here's my steps for a new site:

    1. Order 10 reviews & 6 articles (total cost, $65)
    2. Order 30 articles for back linking purposes ($total cost, $70ish)

    3. Place articles on my private network, link to niche site
    4. Place reviews + informative articles on niche site

    Total cost = $100-$150
    Ranking time = 1-2 months

    Profit per month = $100-$500

    Stop doing it this "wolfi" guys way just because it worked for him. Do it the proper way.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      I still don't understand this wolf guys strategy. Building sites targeting 50-searches is absolutely stupid. I build sites targeting 4-10k exact match searches and have built up 20+ of them thus far. Here's my steps for a new site:

      1. Order 10 reviews & 6 articles (total cost, $65)
      2. Order 30 articles for back linking purposes ( cost, $70ish)

      3. Place articles on my private network, link to niche site
      4. Place reviews + informative articles on niche site

      Total cost = $100-$150
      Ranking time = 1-2 months

      Profit per month = $100-$500

      Stop doing it this "wolfi" guys way just because it worked for him. Do it the proper way.
      I follow a somewhat similar strategy with a bit more content and let's say 100k exact searches in total. Throw up 30 solid links indeed, hire a VA to help out a bit and total costs add up to $200,- and site will probably make like $100-300/month. So within a month or two the money is back in the pocket.

      But as Wolff said, if newbies can't invest and have no clue on how to setup a network then this is a good playground to test things before they dive into the deep. At least they are guaranteed "some" income by going after these dead easy keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      I still don't understand this wolf guys strategy. Building sites targeting 50-searches is absolutely stupid.
      LOL. "This wolfi guy"....as if I'm some sort of unknown around here. haha. Where do you suppose the newbie with $50 to spend gets a "private network"???

      Who said I target 50 searches? I surely didn't. No wonder you don't understand my strategy. You don't even know what it is. My clients would certainly beg to differ on whether it works or not.

      Oh, and people don't do it "my" way because it works for "me". They do it because LOTS of forum members use it and it works.

      As I mentioned, there are several ways to make money as an affiliate. Feel free to follow whatever works for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        LOL. "This wolfi guy"....as if I'm some sort of unknown around here. haha. Where do you suppose the newbie with $50 to spend gets a "private network"???

        Who said I target 50 searches? I surely didn't. No wonder you don't understand my strategy. You don't even know what it is. My clients would certainly beg to differ on whether it works or not.

        Oh, and people don't do it "my" way because it works for "me". They do it because LOTS of forum members use it and it works.

        As I mentioned, there are several ways to make money as an affiliate. Feel free to follow whatever works for you.
        Sure, I know who you are. You sold a course targeted for beginners that is common sense. You target new products to get ranked early, and scale it up. The thing is, that isn't internet marketing and that is never going to yield results.

        Furthermore, there's a reason I would never pack up and sell my strategy. I'm earning $10k+ per month after 5-months with my own system. I could package it all up, add in a few nice words, "KILLER AMAZON STRATEGY" and sell it for $40 a pop.

        Within 3-months, the whole system would be destroyed, over-used, targeted by Google, saturated.. etcetc.. There's a reason you sold your "method".
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          The thing is, that isn't internet marketing and that is never going to yield results.
          Who cares what it's called? It works. I use it as do LOTS of members of this forum. To each his own, I suppose.

          There's a reason you sold your "method".
          I sold my "method" because I enjoy the website-building aspect of internet marketing. Since I only spend an hour or two per day on my own sites (always have), I still have time to diversify my online income by offering services and such.


          Within 3-months, the whole system would be destroyed, over-used, targeted by Google, saturated.. etcetc..
          That's what's great about "my" strategy, if we are calling it that. Google isn't gonna "target" anything because the whole strategy is predicated on giving users (and Google) what they want. As for saturation, that's not a concern. I don't single out specific niches or products; plus, there are new products coming out all the time.
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          • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            Who cares what it's called? It works. I use it as do LOTS of members of this forum. To each his own, I suppose.
            I'm not saying it doesn't work, but let's face it, your strategy isn't going to make people a 5-figure income. I got my writer to write a review a few weeks back for a 10k/exact match product. Now, I'm ranked #2 and absolutely nailing it (the product sells for $750).

            I'm not saying people shouldn't use your strategy, or that it's bad, because it's perfect for beginners. My point is, and per the original post, is that there's bigger and better fish out there to fry. Find a profitable heavily searched niche with extremely popular products and strive to rank in the top 3. Once you're there, it's a cash cow.

            That btw, is just one product I target on the site, over a total of 12, each with 500+ searches. As all my work is outsourced (pbn articles / reviews), I've spent a total of.. 1-hour on the site (setting it up).
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

              I'm not saying it doesn't work, but let's face it, your strategy isn't going to make people a 5-figure income. I got my writer to write a review a few weeks back for a 10k/exact match product. Now, I'm ranked #2 and absolutely nailing it (the product sells for $750).

              I'm not saying people shouldn't use your strategy, or that it's bad, because it's perfect for beginners. My point is, and per the original post, is that there's bigger and better fish out there to fry. Find a profitable heavily searched niche with extremely popular products and strive to rank in the top 3. Once you're there, it's a cash cow.

              That btw, is just one product I target on the site, over a total of 12, each with 500+ searches. As all my work is outsourced (pbn articles / reviews), I've spent a total of.. 1-hour on the site (setting it up).
              Well, you did say:

              Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

              The thing is, that isn't internet marketing and that is never going to yield results.
              That sounds an awful lot like "It doesn't work".

              Nobody, especially me, ever said it was going to make anyone a 5-figure income. I've ALWAYS told people that I am in the 4-figure range with it and that I own a handful of sites in different niches.

              Are there other ways? Sure. I never disputed that. However, I HAVE said (and you agreed) that it's great for beginners and for people who don't have lots of time or money to devote to their online ventures.

              When you start talking about outsourcing, private networks, virtual assistants, etc, the typical newbie will balk because there are lots of moving parts.

              By targeting low competition products and focusing on content creation, there is really only one thing to focus on - creating content. Scaling each site up to 50-100 reviews and then scaling out to 5-10 sites should yield very good results and still only require the owner to spend an hour or two per day maintaining them while incurring no other expenses outside of domain/hosting.

              It sounds like we agree on many points so we can simply agree to disagree on the others and call it a day.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Has anyone ever just had a comparison chart and that's it? And ranked it? Barely any paragraph form written content?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Has anyone ever just had a comparison chart and that's it? And ranked it? Barely any paragraph form written content?
      I heard that the guy from Niche Pursuits had such thing on his homepage with 50 affiliate links embedded and obvious his rankings tanked completely.

      So be warned.

      If the comparison chart that you plan to make has like 1 line of text for each product then I don't see why it shouldn't rank, there are tons of ecommerce sites that rank well and they have in fact the same, a ton of pictures and one line of text below each one.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I heard that the guy from Niche Pursuits had such thing on his homepage with 50 affiliate links embedded and obvious his rankings tanked completely.

        So be warned.

        If the comparison chart that you plan to make has like 1 line of text for each product then I don't see why it shouldn't rank, there are tons of ecommerce sites that rank well and they have in fact the same, a ton of pictures and one line of text below each one.
        Never heard of Niche Pursuits - what is that? Time to look for it.50 affiliate links in the home page. Wow.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
      That would rank in image search first if it goes viral.. Then if users build links from forums and so on it should rank higher for the term .. Doubt you will get high ranks as its the surrounding text that gives ranking influence.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    GGPaul I decided to take a crack at amazon this year but did not want to rely on google so I set up a test with 3 website and am using pinterest, tumblr, twitter and stumbleupon to drive traffic.

    After 2 weeks each site was getting between 300-600 visitors a day and averaging (amazon+adsense) $5 a day. I am now going to scale up to 50 websites and see if I get the same kind of stats.

    These sites take very little looking after and is a lot more fun than writing content and then playing the seo game. If your going to scale up why not miss out google altogether?
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    • Profile picture of the author AmazonGuy
      300-600 visitors and your averaging $5 a day lol ..... googles traffic is worth 5-8x that amount or you have no idea how to convert users
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      • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
        Yes google traffic does convert better as I know with my niche sites, the whole point of my test is to have an almost hands free approach that I can easily scale up to hundreds of sites. Even if each site averaged $1 a day it wouldn't matter to me! As I can set up unlimited sites..... Or perhaps your missing the point?

        I did this because like many others I am sick and tired at being of the mercy of G and others. But if you want to put all your eggs in one (or two) basket that is up to you. :rolleyes:

        Originally Posted by AmazonGuy View Post

        300-600 visitors and your averaging $5 a day lol ..... googles traffic is worth 5-8x that amount or you have no idea how to convert users
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        • Profile picture of the author cooler1
          Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

          Yes google traffic does convert better as I know with my niche sites, the whole point of my test is to have an almost hands free approach that I can easily scale up to hundreds of sites. Even if each site averaged $1 a day it wouldn't matter to me! As I can set up unlimited sites..... Or perhaps your missing the point?

          I did this because like many others I am sick and tired at being of the mercy of G and others. But if you want to put all your eggs in one (or two) basket that is up to you. :rolleyes:
          Hundereds of sites? That would cost some serious domain fees, or are you using sub-domains?

          Out of the four social media sites you mentioned (pinterest, tumblr, twitter and stumbleupon), which traffic converted the best?

          If your not writing content on your sites, how are you pre-selling the products to your visitors?
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    GGPaul, there's a lot of good info on your thread here, but let me add a couple of ideas. First off, you have 7 sites which is really not a lot. I've whittled away my several thousand site portfolio down to under a hundred So, first step, add sites and test new niches. Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but I would suggest a YouTube channel with some reviews pointing back to your sites. This could help a LOT without you going crazy with backlinking. Last, but certainly not least, consider AdWords ads targeted at YouTube videos. It's relatively inexpensive and with the proper campaign optimization can be very lucrative. I hope these ideas help you. Good luck.
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      Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post

      Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread, but I would suggest a YouTube channel with some reviews pointing back to your sites. This could help a LOT without you going crazy with backlinking.
      As a matter of fact I did that 2 days ago, added about 6 video's, one for each of the 6 main keywords, let's see if it can make a change.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    I fully support ggpaul and wolfmmiii because i am a huge success of both of them. I made $488 in my first month, $519 in my second month and then in 19days earned $850 before it was de-indexed by google.

    My lesson, i targeted technology category and it always had a bad effects, 95% of people that were de-indexed last month including me were all in technology category. To be precise my traffic was increasing month by month as i kept on adding content.

    Although some days will be very bad while some days can make you more than you have ever though of. Imagine if i had 4-5 of my site making me $xxx - $xxxx monthly.

    Before my site was tanked by Google i was almost making $1000plus per month with just one site just in my 3rd month of promotion. So imagine i pay writer $300-$400 for articles reviews on just that site, it means i am making a profit of $500++.

    Think out of the box, i think scaling up will get you to your promise land. Besides wolfmmiii gave us his strategy, so you can customize yours from his by tweaking till you see what works best for you.

    GGpaul! you dont know how much inspiration you have given to me, only God will reward you because you brought me where i am.

    Right now am feeling bad because of my deindexed site, but guess what? I am still getting traffic from yahoo and bing, just 500visits so far this month and i have made $150plus with a conversion rate of 10%. dont forget its still 20th of this month lol.

    Everyone is entitled to their ideas. Take action and get something doing is the most important message here and with time you will be amazed at your results.

    *And i want people to stop thinking bad of Nigerians, we have lots of humble and good people here so dont let the bad name spoil the good ones* Am a Nigerian and i am doing well online so i rep my country.

    Just my 1 cent. Am off to bed.
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      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      I fully support ggpaul and wolfmmiii because i am a huge success of both of them. I made $488 in my first month, $519 in my second month and then in 19days earned $850 before it was de-indexed by google.

      My lesson, i targeted technology category and it always had a bad effects, 95% of people that were de-indexed last month including me were all in technology category. To be precise my traffic was increasing month by month as i kept on adding content.

      Although some days will be very bad while some days can make you more than you have ever though of. Imagine if i had 4-5 of my site making me - monthly.

      Before my site was tanked by Google i was almost making $1000plus per month with just one site just in my 3rd month of promotion. So imagine i pay writer $300-$400 for articles reviews on just that site, it means i am making a profit of $500++.

      Think out of the box, i think scaling up will get you to your promise land. Besides wolfmmiii gave us his strategy, so you can customize yours from his by tweaking till you see what works best for you.

      GGpaul! you dont know how much inspiration you have given to me, only God will reward you because you brought me where i am.

      Right now am feeling bad because of my deindexed site, but guess what? I am still getting traffic from yahoo and bing, just 500visits so far this month and i have made $150plus with a conversion rate of 10%. dont forget its still 20th of this month lol.

      Everyone is entitled to their ideas. Take action and get something doing is the most important message here and with time you will be amazed at your results.

      *And i want people to stop thinking bad of Nigerians, we have lots of humble and good people here so dont let the bad name spoil the good ones* Am a Nigerian and i am doing well online so i rep my country.

      Just my 1 cent. Am off to bed.
      Deindexed?? I would check your theme for malicious links/code....
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by masterpeez4py View Post

      I fully support ggpaul and wolfmmiii because i am a huge success of both of them. I made $488 in my first month, $519 in my second month and then in 19days earned $850 before it was de-indexed by google.

      My lesson, i targeted technology category and it always had a bad effects, 95% of people that were de-indexed last month including me were all in technology category. To be precise my traffic was increasing month by month as i kept on adding content.

      Although some days will be very bad while some days can make you more than you have ever though of. Imagine if i had 4-5 of my site making me - monthly.

      Before my site was tanked by Google i was almost making $1000plus per month with just one site just in my 3rd month of promotion. So imagine i pay writer $300-$400 for articles reviews on just that site, it means i am making a profit of $500++.

      Think out of the box, i think scaling up will get you to your promise land. Besides wolfmmiii gave us his strategy, so you can customize yours from his by tweaking till you see what works best for you.

      GGpaul! you dont know how much inspiration you have given to me, only God will reward you because you brought me where i am.

      Right now am feeling bad because of my deindexed site, but guess what? I am still getting traffic from yahoo and bing, just 500visits so far this month and i have made $150plus with a conversion rate of 10%. dont forget its still 20th of this month lol.

      Everyone is entitled to their ideas. Take action and get something doing is the most important message here and with time you will be amazed at your results.

      *And i want people to stop thinking bad of Nigerians, we have lots of humble and good people here so dont let the bad name spoil the good ones* Am a Nigerian and i am doing well online so i rep my country.

      Just my 1 cent. Am off to bed.
      Wow, thank you for the kind message. That really meant a lot man. I just can't wait to start working for this clothing company. So I can finally invest more into my business and FINALLY help more people as much as I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author tryingtolearn
    Hey GGPaul, can you recommend any good wso or threads on warriorforum for traffic generation and off page seo? My site is doing good in terms of ranking despite being in electronics niche with just on page seo, almost ranking in top 5 for some major keywords. I hope with some off page seo, ranking should improve and so thus, the site traffic.
    But, I don't want to ruin my site in serp by doing anything wrong. So, looking for something that is purely white hat, and 100% safe.

    Thanks
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      Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

      Hey GGPaul, can you recommend any good wso or threads on warriorforum for traffic generation and off page seo? My site is doing good in terms of ranking despite being in electronics niche with just on page seo, almost ranking in top 5 for some major keywords. I hope with some off page seo, ranking should improve and so thus, the site traffic.
      But, I don't want to ruin my site in serp by doing anything wrong. So, looking for something that is purely white hat, and 100% safe.

      Thanks
      You won't find purely whitehat, the only way to achieve that is write engaging content that people love to share, not so easy with just some reviews so perhaps you can add additional content in the shape of lists of any kind.

      About scaling, it's dead easy but costs money:

      - Find a couple of writers
      - Get a VA or two
      - Setup a private network

      And go totally crazy, my first site is at 45 uniques/day within 2-3 weeks and keeps on climbing.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        my first site is at 45 uniques/day within 2-3 weeks and keeps on climbing.
        You don't need VAs, blog networks, etc to capture this kind of traffic with product review sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          You don't need VAs, blog networks, etc to capture this kind of traffic with product review sites.
          Have fun launching 20 sites per month without writers, VA's and a blog network or buying links.
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Have fun launching 20 sites per month without writers, VA's and a blog network or buying links.
            LOL. I don't need 20 sites per month and neither does anyone else who is doing it right.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

              LOL. I don't need 20 sites per month and neither does anyone else who is doing it right.
              Lol typical clueless response, not worth it to even respond to.
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              • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Lol typical clueless response, not worth it to even respond to.
                hahaha. Ok. If you say so. We know you're such the expert and all given your 3 days of experience as an Amazon affiliate. How old are you? 12? Grow up man. At a minimum, let the adults talk.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                  hahaha. Ok. If you say so. We know you're such the expert and all given your 3 days of experience as an Amazon affiliate. How old are you? 12? Grow up man. At a minimum, let the adults talk.
                  Lol, you are calling me childish and at the same time disagreeing that you need people / employees, and a blog network to scale up big time.

                  Oh come on..., not very discussion worthy don't ya think.

                  "Let the adults talk" lol, how about "Let the business man talk and scale" while you keep playing in the sandbox with your Wolfmiii wanabee's
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

      Hey GGPaul, can you recommend any good wso or threads on warriorforum for traffic generation and off page seo? My site is doing good in terms of ranking despite being in electronics niche with just on page seo, almost ranking in top 5 for some major keywords. I hope with some off page seo, ranking should improve and so thus, the site traffic.
      But, I don't want to ruin my site in serp by doing anything wrong. So, looking for something that is purely white hat, and 100% safe.

      Thanks
      Start getting involved in forum traffic. Get exposure. Find the right niche. Even when you think 100% it's safe, you just may never know. One day Google can just slap the crap out of you. Just be prepared by all means.
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      • Profile picture of the author tryingtolearn
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You won't find purely whitehat, the only way to achieve that is write engaging content that people love to share, not so easy with just some reviews so perhaps you can add additional content in the shape of lists of any kind.
        Adding more engaging content is certainly on my list. But, I want to utilize the impressions my site gets in serp(around 1500 daily) with the ctr rate of around 4%. If I am able to improve my site ranking further, I am hoping for good increase in CTR and site traffic.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        About scaling, it's dead easy but costs money:

        - Find a couple of writers
        - Get a VA or two
        - Setup a private network
        Which site you use to hire VA and content writers? I have worked alone so far, from coding(which I enjoy) to content writing(which I don't enjoy). But, now I am thinking of hiring to reduce my workload.

        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        And go totally crazy, my first site is at 45 uniques/day within 2-3 weeks and keeps on climbing.
        All traffic coming from search engines?

        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Start getting involved in forum traffic. Get exposure. Find the right niche. Even when you think 100% it's safe, you just may never know. One day Google can just slap the crap out of you. Just be prepared by all means.
        I know one day google can slap my site, thats why I am looking forward to find other ways of generating traffic. I am looking forward to this wso
        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...autopilot.html

        But, it was made available on 06-06-2011, so, I am in doubt whether everything mentioned in it still works or not.

        P.S. My google webmaster account is showing 331 links to my site from 33 referring domains, most of the referring domains are some autoblogs. Can they have any adverse effect on my site in serp?
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

          Adding more engaging content is certainly on my list. But, I want to utilize the impressions my site gets in serp(around 1500 daily) with the ctr rate of around 4%. If I am able to improve my site ranking further, I am hoping for good increase in CTR and site traffic.


          Which site you use to hire VA and content writers? I have worked alone so far, from coding(which I enjoy) to content writing(which I don't enjoy). But, now I am thinking of hiring to reduce my workload.


          All traffic coming from search engines?


          I know one day google can slap my site, thats why I am looking forward to find other ways of generating traffic. I am looking forward to this wso
          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...autopilot.html

          But, it was made available on 06-06-2011, so, I am in doubt whether everything mentioned in it still works or not.

          P.S. My google webmaster account is showing 331 links to my site from 33 referring domains, most of the referring domains are some autoblogs. Can they have any adverse effect on my site in serp?
          I'm about to crash, message me. I'll send you tons of source on how to generate traffic for FREE.
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          Originally Posted by tryingtolearn View Post

          Which site you use to hire VA and content writers? I have worked alone so far, from coding(which I enjoy) to content writing(which I don't enjoy). But, now I am thinking of hiring to reduce my workload.
          As a matter of fact I have found all people that work for me at Fiverr, first started to let them do their fiverr job but then according to my specific instructions and slowly on I gave them other tasks to do. Most people hardly sell a thing at Fiverr and with certain gigs you know 100% sure that it's manual work so if they do all that for $5,- then you know there rate is around $2-3/hour so the perfect candidate for a VA.

          Then at a certain moment I started to overload them with work and instead of being a VA they actually turned into a VA manager with a few people working for them. That's the best way if you want to scale, have VA managers instead of dealing directly with VA's.

          Yeah all traffic comes from Google. Yahoo & Bing haven't even crawled my site for whatever reason, well at least I don't see their bots show up in Statcounter.

          I ain't gonna comment on WSO's that claims to make $35k/month on auto pilot lol.

          You don't want to many links from crappy sites I think.
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    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    Lol typical clueless response, not worth it to even respond to.
    ^^^^This^^^^ ISN'T debate. It's being a 12 year old when someone disagrees with you. As I said, grow up.

    Most people on this thread would agree....
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      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      ^^^^This^^^^ ISN'T debate. It's being a 12 year old when someone disagrees with you. As I said, grow up.

      Most people on this thread would agree....
      You really want to debate about scaling with outsourcers. I have something better to do, hence my earlier reply.
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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You really want to debate about scaling with outsourcers.
        Nope, not really. Never said I did. Never even said I disagreed with outsourcing to scale. I simply said that you don't need to build 20 sites a month to do extremely well online.
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          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          Nope, not really. Never said I did. Never even said I disagreed with outsourcing to scale. I simply said that you don't need to build 20 sites a month to do extremely well online.
          I give up lol.

          Have fun doing extremely well with zero link building and huge authority sites
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          • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I give up lol.

            Have fun doing extremely well with zero link building and huge authority sites
            Will do. Let me know how that crap content works out for ya :eyeroll:
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  • Profile picture of the author nnr21
    Paul do you still keep on writing reviews to your existing sites? How many reviews do you have on average per site?

    I am going to start with Wolf's technique and see how it goes..
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    • Profile picture of the author murtagh
      @wolfmmiii and nik0,

      Why don't you guys start a case study type duel with each one following their respective Amazon tactics and let's see who comes up trumps after 6 months (similar to what was done by Pat over at SPI)

      Not only will other people learn from your tactics, I think you'll be able to prove to each other as well who's methods work best
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by murtagh View Post

        @wolfmmiii and nik0,

        Why don't you guys start a case study type duel with each one following their respective Amazon tactics and let's see who comes up trumps after 6 months (similar to what was done by Pat over at SPI)

        Not only will other people learn from your tactics, I think you'll be able to prove to each other as well who's methods work best
        I won't show my url's to the public, simply cause I would put my private network on risk. Makes no sense.

        A site with high PR links pointed at it will obvious rank higher then a site without, so simple is it. So wolfmiii would have to get his edge from kw research and conversions as he indeed has a lot more experience then me with Amazon. I won't deny that.

        I'm pretty sure I would win the traffic race, which site would make more money I leave in the middle.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    @murtagh....

    It really doesn't matter which "strategy" works better because they both work. You've never heard me say that "his" strategy doesn't work. Literally hundreds of members have already benefited from my info. My client list has grown to near 600 at this point and I have 2-3 website orders per day coming in. If my strategy didn't work, I wouldn't be getting the business.

    It's not important to me that I prove anything to Nik0. He's already agreed that my strategy is a better fit for newbies. Given the fact that he has been promoting Amazon for maybe 2 weeks vs the many years I've been doing so, it's pretty obvious who has more experience in that arena.

    He seems to think that you HAVE to build 20 websites a month to make money online. I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one on this forum who thinks that's ridiculous. Does it work? Sure. Is it necessary? Nope.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

      @murtagh....

      It really doesn't matter which "strategy" works better because they both work. You've never heard me say that "his" strategy doesn't work. Literally hundreds of members have already benefited from my info. My client list has grown to near 600 at this point and I have 2-3 website orders per day coming in. If my strategy didn't work, I wouldn't be getting the business.

      It's not important to me that I prove anything to Nik0. He's already agreed that my strategy is a better fit for newbies. Given the fact that he has been promoting Amazon for maybe 2 weeks vs the many years I've been doing so, it's pretty obvious who has more experience in that arena.

      He seems to think that you HAVE to build 20 websites a month to make money online. I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one on this forum who thinks that's ridiculous. Does it work? Sure. Is it necessary? Nope.
      Building multiple websites is logical for many reasons:

      1: You don't have to utilize your whole private blog network for one site, everyone would run out of resources at a certain moment

      2: You can rank at lightning speed with a good blog network, a day not ranked is a day that you actually lose money. I hear many people that use your method say that they mostly get momentum after 100+ articles, with my strategy that is not needed. 10-20 pages is enough to get decent traffic (assuming your kw research is solid obvious).

      3: It's easier to flip a site worth $1000-2000 then it is to flip a site worth $10.000+

      4: With multiple sites you focus on smaller sites, that helps increase the inner relevance of a site, a site that is for example only about LCD Tv's would naturally rank higher then a site that covers many electronics.

      5: The ratio of unique visitors/day vs amount of posts would be higher as the help of a decent blog network would make sure you also rank for kw's like "best lcd tv's" or "lcd tv reviews", these are kw's with much higher amount of searches then specific models so that's the extra that you can easily get with smaller sites

      6: The cost per visitor would be lower cause of all this as the help of a blog network ensures higher rankings, totally undeniable, and thus a higher average of visitors per blog post. So less costs for content.

      That's just a few of the points that pop up in my mind right now.
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      • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Building multiple websites is logical for many reasons:

        1: You don't have to utilize your whole private blog network for one site, everyone would run out of resources at a certain moment

        2: You can rank at lightning speed with a good blog network, a day not ranked is a day that you actually lose money. I hear many people that use your method say that they mostly get momentum after 100+ articles, with my strategy that is not needed. 10-20 pages is unique to get decent traffic.

        3: It's easier to flip a site worth $1000-2000 then it is to flip a site worth $10.000+

        4: With multiple sites you focus on smaller sites, that helps increase the inner relevance of a site, a site that is for example only about LCD Tv's would naturally rank higher then a site that covers many electronics.

        5: The ratio of unique visitors/day vs amount of posts would be higher as the help of a decent blog network would make sure you also rank for kw's like "best lcd tv's" or "lcd tv reviews", these are kw's with much higher amount of searches then specific models so that's the extra that you can easily get with smaller sites

        That's just a few of the points that pop up in my mind right now.
        Just want to add something that me and Wolfmmii were arguing about last night:


        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Let's assume I target and rank 100 low competition products, each drawing an average of 100 searches per month. Those 100 reviews will take me 50 hours to write (assuming 30 minutes per review). Simple math tells me that I've now spent 50 hours (about one week of work) to get my piece of 10000 searches per month. Not only will I have access to all that traffic, but since they are all low competition products, I'll have to do very little else to maintain that traffic. The fact that the terms attract late-stage buyers, my conversion rate is higher than normal as well.
        "Simple maths tells me that if I target three different keywords with 3,333 searches each the result is 10,000 searches - well, 9,999 actually. By the way, I'm using three keywords here to make a point of varying degrees of competition and not many articles needed for your PBN network.

        Let's say that the 3 posts for my Amazon site take me 6 hours to complete. The 2 for my PBN take an hour each. That's 8 hours in total.

        Theoretically, not only are we getting the same amount of views/traffic, but I know that the products are in demand and are sure to sell, as the competition is high - often a good indicator of whether there's money to be made or not - and they are on the Bestsellers list.

        Furthermore, my review which took me longer to write and research is more useful to the consumer and therefore of higher quality (this is an assumption based on logic and not fact, before you say otherwise).

        Oh, and let's not forget that your strategy, aimed at newbies who don't have the "time" to build a PBN, takes 42 hours longer. Doesn't sound very time efficient to me.

        I know that you think that maintaining a private network takes time to maintain, but not as much as you think. And definitely not a further 42 hours.

        As I've said many times before: time is money, but each to his own, I suppose.


        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        At the end of the day, you were a complete newbie 6 months ago (based on your post history). You are now passing yourself off as an expert, which I find suspicious.
        Just to add, if you work at something everyday for 6 months then you're going to figure a few things out.

        No need to be suspicious. I will never release a WSO, and you can quote me on that. Just wanted to inform users that there are other - some would say better - ways of doing things.

        But, as I said: "TO EACH HIS OWN, I SUPPOSE."

        This, in my opinion, is a better way of scaling up, especially as it is more time efficient.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

          This, in my opinion, is a better way of scaling up, especially as it is more time efficient.
          And time is money

          Anyway, the comment about writing 100 reviews on keywords that get 100 searches/month is as incorrect as it can be as the WSO teaches people to go after just released products, so there is no way to know if those products will ever get the 100 exact searches per month.

          Sure if you have done it a 1000 times then you might pick up some trends and can predict it a little better, but for the noob who just read the wso and tries it out it's much more of a gamble. He could write 100 articles that on average get 5 exact searches/month. So long for the 10k.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjaysen70
    Well if you're talking about ranking your sites, instead of selling and ranking a product from your amazon seller central portal, then what you're already doing should help. Amazon already has their own built-in traffic so if you get reviews on your product that are honest and create social proof, then amazon will push you up in their SERPS. I've found this to be a much more effective way to sell more on amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by tjaysen70 View Post

      Well if you're talking about ranking your sites, instead of selling and ranking a product from your amazon seller central portal, then what you're already doing should help. Amazon already has their own built-in traffic so if you get reviews on your product that are honest and create social proof, then amazon will push you up in their SERPS. I've found this to be a much more effective way to sell more on amazon.
      Most people are not doing it that way while I understand that's a way better approach as it's indeed easier to rank, you already get direct traffic from Amazon and the commissions are much higher.

      However, finding your own products might not be that easy although I did hear people that use dropshippers to fill up their Amazon offerings.

      No idea how successful or passive that would be as when dealing with dropshipping you can't use the Amazon fullfillment center, or you would have to make a deal with the drop shipper that he keeps his stock at Amazon, but heck, don't think that would work.

      If you have any good idea's how to simplify the process I'm all ears.

      Thought about drop shipping as well but I really don't want to deal with customer questions, refunds, returns, charge backs and what not as I already have my hands full on my own services & the support that comes with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Aight. You know what? I'm going to test different methods. I have the $$ Idgaf, I'll come back to this thread after I've done enough testing. Sheesh.
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    • Profile picture of the author Msaeed
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Aight. You know what? I'm going to test different methods. I have the $$ Idgaf, I'll come back to this thread after I've done enough testing. Sheesh.
      This is the best 'method', test and tweak other people's methods and then make it into your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author MovingAround
    Hey guys,

    This post is a few days old but wanted to bump to ask about private networks. What do you mean by these, or at least in the case of those of you who mention using them to rank their review sites higher?

    Are you simply using the method of buying several expired domains with high rank to create the network then point your links to the review sites? Or are you talking about having a network of sites that are more like blogs and that provide information related to the products in the review sites (i.e. you send traffic from these sites and the traffic is pre-sold).

    I do have a couple of info sites that point to review sites, but I've been eyeing the possibility of buying expired domains to create a network. Problem is that I'm having a tough time (i.e. wasting time) checking for fake PRs and the few good expired domains are snatched fairly fast. Some of you have mentioned that it is not as difficult as it seems to create a private network to then point powerful links to review sites, so I'd appreciate any input on which of the 2 methods you are using!

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    nik0; Do you mean to make a good income as azon affiliate, 10-20 pages (product reviews) is enough for a niche site to make money with azon, so I can scale this business model up (build more niche sites with 10-20 pages)?

    How many words for each pages is necessary? 300,500 words? more?
    For these 10-20 pages per niche site, must it be content in quality who costs more than $5 fpror 400-500 words?
    Or is spun content enough?

    Does amazon ban me when I build 20,30,50 or more niche sites to make money as azon affiliate with 1 azon account?

    best wishes
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      nik0; Do you mean to make a good income as azon affiliate, 10-20 pages (product reviews) is enough for a niche site to make money with azon, so I can scale this business model up (build more niche sites with 10-20 pages)?

      How many words for each pages is necessary? 300,500 words? more?
      For these 10-20 pages per niche site, must it be content in quality who costs more than $5 fpror 400-500 words?
      Or is spun content enough?

      Does amazon ban me when I build 20,30,50 or more niche sites to make money as azon affiliate with 1 azon account?

      best wishes
      marco005
      Well there was just an update that showed me that using short reviews (400 words) and insane cheap $2/500 words isn't really doing the job as the site completely tanked.

      So what I would recommend is at least 20-30 pages where 30% of the articles is informative (without affiliate links) and where the actual review articles are 800+ words and well researched.

      Hard to get that at $5/500 words so I guess we are bound to the more expensive writers from the US/UK who on average charge $10/500 words.

      So yeah 25 articles * $2 = $50,- was nice.

      Now it's more like:

      15 review articles * $15 each (750 words) = $225,-
      10 informative articles * $15 each = $150,-

      $375,- minimum costs of content to get started in a semi decent way.

      Quite a difference ain't it.

      Right now I am testing an approach with spun content and at the same I will also launch quality sites with the more expensive articles and better setup's to see if that will last a bit longer then 2-3 months
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