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Backlink Building, Need Opinions Please

by KingRoyal
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Hello everyone, our business is using a couple link building networks to help us rank in the search engines, however, we are not heavily relying on these since we know its not the best practice. However, I would like to know what people think are the best services for quality link building, whether it be a WSO here on WF or a third party service such as linkauthority.com or linkvana.com.

Thanks guys, and I really need your advice, desperately Thank you everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
    My answer will be a bit biased here, but when it comes to link building, I'm more about quality than quantity. I use high PR links from relevant sites for all my SEO efforts. Mix this with solid on-page SEO (which is very important) and you will generate great rankings that will stick.
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    • Profile picture of the author patco
      Originally Posted by Jeb Binkley View Post

      My answer will be a bit biased here, but when it comes to link building, I'm more about quality than quantity. I use high PR links from relevant sites for all my SEO efforts. Mix this with solid on-page SEO (which is very important) and you will generate great rankings that will stick.
      Pretty agree with this. You are so much right, Jeb.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    We have great pages that are very well optimized, needless to say we spent nearly 50 grand with a top of the chart topseo.com firm for LOCAL keywords and there is nothing but content on our site to show for it. NO RANKINGS. How would you recommend finding good places to build links?
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      We have great pages that are very well optimized, needless to say we spent nearly 50 grand with a top of the chart topseo.com firm for LOCAL keywords and there is nothing but content on our site to show for it. NO RANKINGS. How would you recommend finding good places to build links?
      How ironic, we also used a topseo firm and they were voted in the top 10.

      They are called "resultfirst.com".

      But we got excellent results. Many keywords in the #1 & #2 position.
      And we only spent about 3 grand I want to say for LOCAL keywords.

      So I have no idea what you're doing, but maybe you picked the wrong firm. We were sure to call up many of their previous customers before ordering, and they had nothing but great things to say, which is why we used them.

      We have stopped using them since, and switched to a cheaper source (whos even better at SEO imo), but 50 grand for no rankings, on local keywords, is rather absurd.

      If you have more money to invest, I would just do some EXTENSIVE research. And when I say extensive, I mean EXTENSIVE. You might be better off finding a professional researcher, its a highly underated skill.

      Not to mention, I spent 6 years of my life doing nothing but research (I only do it for myself now). And I have to admit, its one of the most valuable skills I could have learned. Its not just typing things into google. You don't just test data that points to a given source, you test the source itself. Find their customers, contact them, talk to them, its a part of research that I rarely see anyone do on WF. You know what profession is really good at research? Detectives. So become a detective.

      Never use any individual source, unless you talk to at least 10 recent/previous customers of theirs. Thats a rule I always follow, and so far its treated me well. Same way a detective won't use an informant just because they say "I have information you want". They test the credibility of informant before they even think about working with them.

      Also, most reputable firms will post client data right on their site. Like resultfirst does.
      Even WF members selling SEO, you can pm people who have ordered from them. You can go through threads and find people who ordered SEO months and months ago, to find out how their rankings are doing/if they recieved any penalties.

      Life is all about making decisions based on the right information. The right information is always worth a lot of money, the wrong information will always lead to you being broke.
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      • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
        Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

        How ironic, we also used a topseo firm and they were voted in the top 10.

        They are called "resultfirst.com".

        But we got excellent results. Many keywords in the #1 & #2 position.
        And we only spent about 3 grand I want to say for LOCAL keywords.

        So I have no idea what you're doing, but maybe you picked the wrong firm. We were sure to call up many of their previous customers before ordering, and they had nothing but great things to say, which is why we used them.

        We have stopped using them since, and switched to a cheaper source, but 50 grand for no rankings, on local keywords seems pretty absurd.
        yep, we are using netmark.com and their a joke. For one, we only hear from them when we complain lol, and they outsource their CONTENT. for a company making that kind of money you'd think you'd have your own writing teams. And backlinking is a big game changer too, and I cant see them doing ANY of that. We have been using them for 7 months.

        Ill take a look at the people you were using. You spent three grand over what period?
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        • Profile picture of the author weston2012
          Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

          yep, we are using netmark.com and their a joke. For one, we only hear from them when we complain lol, and they outsource their CONTENT. for a company making that kind of money you'd think you'd have your own writing teams. And backlinking is a big game changer too, and I cant see them doing ANY of that. We have been using them for 7 months.

          Ill take a look at the people you were using. You spent three grand over what period?
          What is game changer? only backlinks joke?
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        • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
          Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

          yep, we are using netmark.com and their a joke. For one, we only hear from them when we complain lol, and they outsource their CONTENT. for a company making that kind of money you'd think you'd have your own writing teams. And backlinking is a big game changer too, and I cant see them doing ANY of that. We have been using them for 7 months.

          Ill take a look at the people you were using. You spent three grand over what period?
          Only 4 months, but they had many of our keywords on page 1 in only 2 months. They also have a very weird payment system.

          You basically pay a $600 deposit up front (for us it was 15 keywords - most between 400-2000 local searches a month). Then don't pay again till keywords start ranking. Initially their system confused me, but then I realized that it creates major incentive for them to get you on page 1. Because that is when they get paid the most.

          Some people don't like results based SEO (no idea why), but I personally loved it. I think its designed specifically for people who are afraid of SEO. And considering they were the first real company I used, I was definitely one of those people. Just that I found someone cheaper who is not 100% whitehat, but their method is still very safe and gets excellent results.

          In 7 months, I guarantee they would have got you on page 1 for MULTIPLE keywords. No doubt about it. I've analyzed the backlinks they do, how they do them, and I can tell you for sure they are a solid company. Even if you call many of their clients, they will tell you they had a great experience, and my experience was no different.

          Also, if you do use them. They will send out extremely detailed reports every month along with suggestions for changing things on your site. Make sure you do, or find someone to do everything they say. Do not ignore those reports. They give you some crucial advice as far as getting your on page SEO perfect. The first month I ignored the reports, second month made the changes, and saw dramatic improvements. I actually thought my on page SEO was perfect, but they proved me wrong pretty fast. =]
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          • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
            Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

            Only 4 months, but they had many of our keywords on page 1 in only 2 months. They also have a very weird payment system.

            You basically pay a $600 deposit up front (for us it was 15 keywords - most between 400-2000 local searches a month). Then don't pay again till keywords start ranking. Initially their system confused me, but then I realized that it creates major incentive for them to get you on page 1. Because that is when they get paid the most.

            Some people don't like results based SEO (no idea why), but I personally loved it. I think its designed specifically for people who are afraid of SEO. And considering they were the first real company I used, I was definitely one of those people. Just that I found someone cheaper who is not 100% whitehat, but their method is still very safe and gets excellent results.

            In 7 months, I guarantee they would have got you on page 1 for MULTIPLE keywords. No doubt about it. I've analyzed the backlinks they do, how they do them, and I can tell you for sure they are a solid company. Even if you call many of their clients, they will tell you they had a great experience, and my experience was no different.

            Also, if you do use them. They will send out extremely detailed reports every month along with suggestions for changing things on your site. Make sure you do, or find someone to do everything they say. Do not ignore those reports. They give you some crucial advice as far as getting your on page SEO perfect. The first month I ignored the reports, second month made the changes, and saw dramatic improvements. I actually thought my on page SEO was perfect, but they proved me wrong pretty fast. =]
            could you PM who you are using currently? Also, these guys you are talking about, is there a contract involved?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
    Hi,

    Sent you a PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
    Another idea (without knowing your business and KWs) is to try Google Places (now Google+ Local) since you are targeting local KWs. It's a great way to get you listed on page 1 of Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    yeah we are on google places too, nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      yeah we are on google places too, nothing.
      Nothing meaning no rankings or no traffic generation?
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Both lol. no rankings period, no traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
    How long has the firm you hired been working on your site? SEO takes time so sometimes it's just a waiting game. Also, if you are not seeing the results that you want, tell the firm to just concentrate on a few KWs at a time, rank them, and then expand out to more of the KWs that you want to target. Also, you can target easier to rank KWs first (less competition - less searches per month) and than build on that success by expanding to more competitive KWs.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaytav
    Google listing is a nice idea, to give your rankings a boost
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  • Profile picture of the author mudassarali143
    Do off-page like:
    Web 2.0+ Articles -->Bookmarking+Blog Commenting-->Ping
    EDU links will be great plus to seo.
    and Expand ...
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    We have pretty damn good onsite SEO and awesome content silos that are always fresh, but the firm we are using does not seem to be doing ANY decent backlink building which is also needed, no?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      We have pretty damn good onsite SEO and awesome content silos that are always fresh, but the firm we are using does not seem to be doing ANY decent backlink building which is also needed, no?
      Quality link building is still currently the most important factor when it comes to ranking a webpage. Solid on-page SEO can rank for low competition KWs; however it is mainly employed to make the process of ranking a page via backlinks more effective.
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      • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
        Originally Posted by Jeb Binkley View Post

        Quality link building is still currently the most important factor when it comes to ranking a webpage. Solid on-page SEO can rank for low competition KWs; however it is mainly employed to make the process of ranking a page via backlinks more effective.
        Right, we have lots of articles that we have made for our onsite seo and they rank well, but for non money making keys.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
          Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

          Right, we have lots of articles that we have made for our onsite seo and they rank well, but for non money making keys.
          While I'm sure you have an idea on what KWs you need to rank for to make money, a good way to test them out is to run short ADWORD campaigns and see if the KWs that you have selected convert or not. It's quick, relatively inexpensive, and provides you with valuable information.
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          • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
            Originally Posted by Jeb Binkley View Post

            While I'm sure you have an idea on what KWs you need to rank for to make money, a good way to test them out is to run short ADWORD campaigns and see if the KWs that you have selected convert or not. It's quick, relatively inexpensive, and provides you with valuable information.
            We have been thinking about doing a simple PPC campaign however that too can become insanely expensive, quickly. But hell, with the money we have invested already we should had already done it lol
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  • Profile picture of the author bhartzer
    Quality over quantity, for sure, when dealing with link building. But on the sites that I work on that have never suffered any sort of linking penalty, link diversity has been the key.

    - Diverse anchor text
    - Lots of different kinds of links (social bookmarks, press release links, blog post links, home page links, forum links, social profile links, being mentioned in the press, etc.)
    - Lots of different class c block links.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Right, and like I said, netmark isnt doing it... Pitty.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejaone
    Have you seen the rank improvement over the course of 7 months? If it's a new site, it may take a while to see the traffic.

    The most important question for link building is to see whether the links are from real websites, not from high PR sites created to sell links or posts. If a site is real, it should have natural number of social counts from major social media sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
      Originally Posted by dejaone View Post

      The most important question for link building is to see whether the links are from real websites, not from high PR sites created to sell links or posts. If a site is real, it should have natural number of social counts from major social media sites.
      That's total nonsense and if you know what you are doing, it's straight forward to build high pr sites for linking building purposes that appear natural.
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      • Profile picture of the author dejaone
        Originally Posted by Jeb Binkley View Post

        That's total nonsense and if you know what you are doing, it's straight forward to build high pr sites for linking building purposes that appear natural.
        There're many high Pr sites with only one or 2 backlinks. They're built to sell links. Those sites are often de-indexed in a few months.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeb Binkley
          Originally Posted by dejaone View Post

          There're many high Pr sites with only one or 2 backlinks. They're built to sell links. Those sites are often de-indexed in a few months.
          Once again - totally untrue. Please stop posting on a subject matter that you don't know much about. Thank you.

          And yes - OBL = outbound links
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          • Profile picture of the author dejaone
            Originally Posted by Jeb Binkley View Post

            Once again - totally untrue. Please stop posting on a subject matter that you don't know much about. Thank you.

            And yes - OBL = outbound links
            One link from a PR8 Wordpress theme site will make a site PR5 or PR6, but the links from the PR5 will be useless even it has relevant content.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    The ranks changed some overtime, however every LOCAL medium competitive keyword is ranked in the top 500, if we are lucky..
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  • Profile picture of the author bhartzer
    If a site is real, it should have natural number of social counts from major social media sites.
    Exactly. That's why you need to make sure that the site's verified Google Authorship, has a decent Klout score, which is a place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Well sadly to say, the only ranking that we had was a ranking that I did alone with a blog network to test a theory that they arnt doing any linking lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejaone
    If some of your keywords are in top 500, the site is not (heavily) penalized. There're many reasons the keywords didn't rank well:

    1) it may have more links than natural pace of link acquisition
    2) the keyword distributions aren't natural
    3) not enough links from real websites
    4) not enough links from relevant sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    So I would assume that OBL's are outbound links?
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    • Profile picture of the author micksss
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      So I would assume that OBL's are outbound links?
      That is correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    So how can you check if a site has a real trust worthy PR?
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    • Profile picture of the author dejaone
      Originally Posted by KingMighty View Post

      So how can you check if a site has a real trust worthy PR?
      There're many metrics for checking site quality

      1. # of pages indexed: a true high PR site usually has more pages indexed. A site with less than 50 pages indexed is usually not good.
      2. Alexa traffic rank: a real high PR site naturally has a reasonable traffic rank. A real high PR site usually has some inner pages with PRs.
      3. # of backlinks and backlink relevance. Alexa backlinks list links from unique domains. For a real site, you'll see some relevant backlinks.
      4. Social counts on Facebook, Twitter and Linkedin.

      We have a handy tool to make the checking easier.

      Site Quality Checker

      It takes about a minute to check a site quality for all those metrics. So it'll take about 30 minutes to know the quality of links you got so far if you check about 30 sites you got links from.
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      • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
        Originally Posted by dejaone View Post

        There're many metrics for checking site quality

        1. # of pages indexed: a true high PR site usually has more pages indexed. A site with less than 50 pages indexed is usually not good.
        2. Alexa traffic rank: a real high PR site naturally has a reasonable traffic rank. A real high PR site usually has some inner pages with PRs.
        3. # of backlinks and backlink relevance. Alexa backlinks list links from unique domains. For a real site, you'll see some relevant backlinks.
        4. Social counts on Facebook, Twitter and Linkedin.

        We have a handy tool to make the checking easier.

        Site Quality Checker

        It takes about a minute to check a site quality for all those metrics. So it'll take about 30 minutes to know the quality of links you got so far if you check about 30 sites you got links from.
        Many thanks, I had been curious because was interested in learning how to build a PLN
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  • Profile picture of the author dome
    i'd suggest you to get niche relavent links thats gonna help you at best.
    Do not buy links but you must build links and go white hat it will help you!
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Yeah I should prob get off networks haha, youtubeconverter.co is all networked but it gets TONS of traffic!
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    Depending on your circumstances, I have some suggestions for you -

    1    . If you are using reputed SEO company, they should provide you with a bi-weekly or monthly report. Check that properly and ask questions if you have regarding the report.
    2. Always ask questions how they are planning to rank your keywords. Many won't do that which in my opinion is a BIG mistake.
    3. Don't use any other form of SEO/Link building while you are working with a specific SEO company. In most cases you will not get any benefit from that. Worse your may notice devaluation your keyword ranking.
    4. Rather than working with reputed SEO agencies, its better to work with fellow WF members here. Some of them are providing premium SEO services which actually rank your keywords. What's more you will be having a great customer service.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    Hey well we decided today to break our contact so we will see how that goes, hope it goes okay.
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