Squidoo is now global nofollow

by paulgl
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The squidoo team is announcing all sorts of changes.
The biggest one is that in the next few days, all
links on all lenses will be nofollow.

Squidoo will now apply "nofollow" markup to all outbound links.

Eventually we hope to start giving our best (and most trusted) lensmasters "follow" privileges on a case-by-case basis.
Changing Link Status On Squidoo | SquidooHQ powered by Squidoo

This is huge for anyone like me who use squidoo to the max. Oh well.
Back to the drawing board...

Paul
#global #nofollow #squidoo
  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    *******s. That's ok. I had moved away from Squidoo for Web 2.0s awhile ago. It's a time trap.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I used to say, "backlinks plus cash. Life don't get no
      better'n that." Now it's just cash. Well, it still is
      a traffic funneler though.

      I saw this coming as the affilliate spammers and other junk
      people were all complaining about lenses locked.

      Easy step to eliminate some trash, but not all.

      Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    I knew it was coming. They've been making a ton of changes lately. Like when they stopped allowing people to transfer/gift/sell lenses. I never spammed it but I wasn't in it for the sales modules either. A ton of good content with light backlinks no crime there. Oh well, good thing they aren't the only game in town
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  • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
    For some reason this does not surprise me. Still a major fan of Guestblogging haha
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Guestblogging can be just as spammy as a crappily executed Web 2.0
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    • Profile picture of the author KingRoyal
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      Guestblogging can be just as spammy as a crappily executed Web 2.0
      I don't know, GBing can be really good if you have legit relationships with web owners : P)
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      Guestblogging can be just as spammy as a crappily executed Web 2.0
      Guest blogging is highly overrated. Why would I waste my time writing content for someone else that may, or may not, get published. Even if its published theres still no guarantee youll even get a link. Not to mention you're doing all of this for free. Id rather use that content to build my own sites rather than someone elses, but if you have that much time then im always looking for free content writers.

      As for Squidoo, I know a few people that will be pretty sour about this lol. The writings been on the wall for quite some time though so this shouldn't be too big of a surprise.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        As for Squidoo, I know a few people that will be pretty sour about this lol. The writings been on the wall for quite some time though so this shouldn't be too big of a surprise.
        I am sour about it, BUT, it's not the end of the world. I adapt.

        Guestblogging, if you want to call it that. What a concept.
        Let's see, I can't think of a thing to write, so I need someone
        else's content. What kind of a lame blog do I have? I guestblog
        somewhere. Gee. Why am I doing that? My blog's not good enough?
        I need to fill up someone else's blog? With what? Leftovers? And
        they're going to fill my blog with the same? I think not.

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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Guest blogging is highly overrated. Why would I waste my time writing content for someone else that may, or may not, get published. Even if its published theres still no guarantee youll even get a link. Not to mention you're doing all of this for free. Id rather use that content to build my own sites rather than someone elses, but if you have that much time then im always looking for free content writers.

        As for Squidoo, I know a few people that will be pretty sour about this lol. The writings been on the wall for quite some time though so this shouldn't be too big of a surprise.

        I guess your talking from an SEO point of view?

        Guest blog/pages aren't any different than any other web page on the net that gathers targeted niche traffic. If there's targeted niche traffic, I'm interested no matter what the page is called.

        I have a direct competitor that's recently asked me to allow their link/s on my sites, I'm still thinking about it but one of the options I'm considering is to allow the competitor to have some unique content (not articles) posted on my domains.

        The competitor gets laser targeted niche traffic (from me), I get free unique content that will last the next 20 years... I still haven't made up my mind, charge the competitor for the links, or allow them to have their unique content posted on my sites (I keep the content).

        Making friends with competition isn't such a bad thing.

        I had one competitor a year or so ago where I was earning $400+ per month in affiliate sales from a single sitewide link on my niche site pointing to a sales page on his site. This only happened because I talked shop for a few emails & eventually asked him If he had an affiliate program, he asked what percentage I wanted, I aimed high (first offer) & said 25%, he said ok, didn't even try to haggle on the affiliate commission per sale.

        I have some different plans now, where I'm thinking about bringing in my two best quality content competition & let them each have their own Category on my site/blog, then allow maybe 10-15 blog post on the Index page of the blog/site, this way they each keep posting new unique content battling for most post on the my sites Index page. I'll feed niche traffic into this blog/site from my own established authority sites that already get consistent traffic & all have an email list.

        I'm still thinking on this one, but so far I don't see how it couldn't be a win, win for everyone involved.
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        • Profile picture of the author paulgl
          Well, Yukon. No reason why we can't debate that, I suppose.

          Yes, perhaps, if done right. I know that Mike A. a while back
          had some mythical scenario. If we're in the same niche, and
          have the same PR,....it might work.

          But then, I don't have enough time to put stuff on my own blogs.
          I can't find the time to guestblog. And I can't say I would want
          just anyone clogging up my blog. It actually might hurt as well.
          Who says the content these people put up will not muck up
          the works? I want full control. Now if people want to pay me
          for putting an article on my sites, well, I'm all ears.

          And after looking at the threads here, why guestblog? People
          just steal your articles and posts...and there is no foolproof
          way of knowing where and when they got the stuff to guestblog
          on yours.

          A win-win could quickly turn into a lose-win.

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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Well, Yukon. No reason why we can't debate that, I suppose.

            Yes, perhaps, if done right. I know that Mike A. a while back
            had some mythical scenario. If we're in the same niche, and
            have the same PR,....it might work.

            But then, I don't have enough time to put stuff on my own blogs.
            I can't find the time to guestblog. And I can't say I would want
            just anyone clogging up my blog. It actually might hurt as well.
            Who says the content these people put up will not muck up
            the works? I want full control. Now if people want to pay me
            for putting an article on my sites, well, I'm all ears.

            And after looking at the threads here, why guestblog? People
            just steal your articles and posts...and there is no foolproof
            way of knowing where and when they got the stuff to guestblog
            on yours.

            A win-win could quickly turn into a lose-win.

            Paul

            I wouldn't allow anyone besides myself to ever post content on my domains, everything would be moderated/posted by me, which could be done whenever I wanted or when I have time to post the content. It shouldn't take long to create a page & upload any needed files.

            I also wouldn't play games messing around with anyone I didn't already know in the same niche, they would have to prove their content worthy by having their own site/s showing what they have to offer.

            The two competition I have in mind (one already contacted me on his own) both sell quality products, some of the best content in this niche. There's a handful of other guys in the same niche that create outstanding products of their own that might be interested, the only thing is they're not very active. This is an evergreen niche, but some of these guys create great products & sit on it for years (don't mingle on niche forums, etc...).

            As far as my win, I would only agree to any of this If the content producers gave up all rights to the content they created specifically for my sites. I could create a membership site with a small monthly fee, or whatever I wanted as long as the content producers get full credit & a link back to their own site/page. If I setup the site as a paid membership site, the content producers could also be sold on proven traffic with active credit cards (presell for my content producers).

            If the content producers got lazy, I could create my own content to bump them off the Index page, incentive for the other guys to create more content If I only send my existing same niche traffic to this sites Index page. I wouldn't bump old post just because I can, I would expect at least a new post once a week (at least).

            Another option would be to simply charge a flat rate to allow the content producers to have their content posted on my site (basically buying traffic). The more niche traffic they want, the more pages they buy...

            I realize we're probably talking about different types of quality in this thread. There's no way in H I would ever allow my sites to be a free for all like I see some guys on this forum when they post links to their own article directories (hey guys, want a free link? (lol)).

            Just thinking out loud...
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              I wouldn't allow anyone besides myself to ever post content on my domains, everything would be moderated/posted by me, which could be done whenever I wanted or when I have time to post the content. It shouldn't take long to create a page & upload any needed files.

              I also wouldn't play games messing around with anyone I didn't already know in the same niche, they would have to prove their content worthy by having their own site/s showing what they have to offer.

              The two competition I have in mind (one already contacted me on his own) both sell quality products, some of the best content in this niche. There's a handful of other guys in the same niche that create outstanding products of their own that might be interested, the only thing is they're not very active. This is an evergreen niche, but some of these guys create great products & sit on it for years (don't mingle on niche forums, etc...).

              As far as my win, I would only agree to any of this If the content producers gave up all rights to the content they created specifically for my sites. I could create a membership site with a small monthly fee, or whatever I wanted as long as the content producers get full credit & a link back to their own site/page. If I setup the site as a paid membership site, the content producers could also be sold on proven traffic with active credit cards (presell for my content producers).

              If the content producers got lazy, I could create my own content to bump them off the Index page, incentive for the other guys to create more content If I only send my existing same niche traffic to this sites Index page. I wouldn't bump old post just because I can, I would expect at least a new post once a week (at least).

              Another option would be to simply charge a flat rate to allow the content producers to have their content posted on my site (basically buying traffic). The more niche traffic they want, the more pages they buy...

              I realize we're probably talking about different types of quality in this thread. There's no way in H I would ever allow my sites to be a free for all like I see some guys on this forum when they post links to their own article directories (hey guys, want a free link? (lol)).

              Just thinking out loud...
              I agree. The grass is definitely greener on the other side of the equation.

              That would suck having to moderate all of that content though. You've basically created a job for yourself.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              I wouldn't allow anyone besides myself to ever post content on my domains, everything would be moderated/posted by me, which could be done whenever I wanted or when I have time to post the content. It shouldn't take long to create a page & upload any needed files.

              I also wouldn't play games messing around with anyone I didn't already know in the same niche, they would have to prove their content worthy by having their own site/s showing what they have to offer.
              Thas pretty much standard guest blogging 101. I don't know where Paul got that idea from. Paul it seems to me is talking about the warriorforumize version of guest blogging which is just a code word for give me some BMR love from my 250 word article and google won't know the difference because we'll call it guest blogging.

              and Google is like

              Yu mad. Take that and that.
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          • Profile picture of the author aaronrobb
            So as a bit of a noob on internet marketing, dare I ask what the next(or current) Squidoo is in terms of web 2.0 sites?
            Is there another platform where the prospect of links as well as affiliate earnings are viable with good content?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

            Well, Yukon. No reason why we can't debate that, I suppose.

            Yes, perhaps, if done right. I know that Mike A. a while back
            had some mythical scenario. If we're in the same niche, and
            have the same PR,....it might work.
            Its like a drive by shooting. You are sitting on your balcony with an omellete and a dash of some herbs and a piece of fruit with some honey wheat toast just enjoying the morning and the warmth of the sun. You glance at the tablet and BAM there is PaulGl trying to cap you.

            Whats this mythical scenario this Mike A guy was talking about?

            A)Mike's don't do mystical. I believe the word you were searching for was "Magical".

            B) MIke A did talk three way link exchanges but thats an entirely different beast from Guest blogging.

            And after looking at the threads here, why guestblog?
            If yo are going to judge guest blogging by posts here then you could count off eveything

            People
            just steal your articles and posts...and there is no foolproof
            way of knowing where and when they got the stuff to guestblog
            on yours.
            Hold up....you guys guest blog without getting that all nailed down? Yu mad.

            But again just because you try and warriorforumize guest blogging doesn't mean its bad or even dangerous for those that don't warriorforumize it to its lowest state. let the warrior for hire be your guide. Got quite a few people in there trying to warriorforumize white hat link building who Google will surely kick in the rear deindexize because its black hat.
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            • Profile picture of the author paulgl
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Whats this mythical scenario this Mike A guy was talking about?

              A)Mike's don't do mystical. I believe the word you were searching for was "Magical".

              B) MIke A did talk three way link exchanges but thats an entirely different beast from Guest blogging.
              I stand corrected. I thought the magical scenario had at least some article
              writing bit in it, not just a backlink. Fade to black.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Thas pretty much standard guest blogging 101. I don't know where Paul got that idea from. Paul it seems to me is talking about the warriorforumize version of guest blogging which is just a code word for give me some BMR love from my 250 word article and google won't know the difference because we'll call it guest blogging.
              Yes I am, because someone starts a thread on guestblogging, they normally start with:
              "How can I find blogs to guestblog on?"
              http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ind-blogs.html

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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

                I stand corrected. I thought the magical scenario had at least some article
                writing bit in it, not just a backlink. Fade to black.
                No need to fade. It probably did because the link would be in the article but its a different beast because with a three way link no one loses control. If its crap content you say no. If they decide later to yank the link theb you yank theirs. keeps em honest but only works in scenario where the owners have more than one site so its not a reciprocal link.


                Yes I am, because someone starts a thread on guestblogging, they normally start with:
                "How can I find blogs to guestblog on?"
                http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ind-blogs.html

                Paul
                I hear you but they also probably can't write a lick and you will see that on their site. What Yuke is talking about is a site with quality content that he knows about. Lots of the time if there is enough content on the site and they give you something to post you can know its theirs by the style of it.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              But again just because you try and warriorforumize guest blogging doesn't mean its bad or even dangerous for those that don't warriorforumize it to its lowest state. let the warrior for hire be your guide. Got quite a few people in there trying to warriorforumize white hat link building who Google will surely kick in the rear deindexize because its black hat.
              Personally, i wouldn't say it's bad. But of course there's the right way to do it, and then there's the warriorforum way to do it. The Warriorforum way of doing it ends up being a huge drain on time/money. Because any site really worth submitting to isn't going to want warriorforum 500 word essays. The other sites are pretty much paid link farms. There are other more effective ways of getting good links without ewhoring.
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  • Profile picture of the author micksss
    That's too bad. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it the case that some of the links in squidoo were automatically made nofollow already. So now they are going full nofollow.
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Of course, but to be fair it's all in the technique no? If in 3 months Google decides to arbitrarily de-index fishy guest blogging links I won't be on that thread telling you "Jeez you should have gone with Web 2.0" The Germans call that Schadenfreude and it gets no thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Not a big surprise. Made me money, served it's purpose, one tool in an arsenal that now is less effective, oh well right?

    What are YOU building Mr. Dennis, because I kind of like that style
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      Not a big surprise. Made me money, served it's purpose, one tool in an arsenal that now is less effective, oh well right?

      What are YOU building Mr. Dennis, because I kind of like that style
      I build Web 2.0s out into high PR networks. Great "utility" links if you don't have a huge private network.
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

    The squidoo team is announcing all sorts of changes.
    The biggest one is that in the next few days, all
    links on all lenses will be nofollow.
    I'm not surprised by this development - I track the search rankings of just over 50 lenses that compete with some of my content, and most of them took a hit in the last Panda update.

    Although this is a small sample size - the ranking drops were significant, leading me to believe that Squidoo got hit hard by Google.

    Those people who were thoughtlessly abusing Squidoo have messed it up for those who were thoughtfully abusing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Hahahaha Mike has Google alerts on his name. All you have to do to invoke him is say his name on WF 3 times and light a dollar bill on fire then BAM!

    I like it when you talk in the third person, maybe cuz I'm Catholic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      I like it when you talk in the third person, maybe cuz I'm Catholic.
      I'm just happy you decided to skip the makeup and be your natural self. Its more authentic for marketing.

      I like it when you talk in the third person, maybe cuz I'm Catholic.
      My condolences.......come out from among them and be ye separate. beware the city that sits on seven hills.
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    @Mike The Mad Scientist Bartender: Stop fronting and hook me up with some of those jello shots cuz my weekend starts early this week and I'm buying. I promise to keep my top on lmaooooooooooooo I might just give myself an infraction for that

    Edit: Y'all stop editing your posts makes me dizzy hahaha cheaters
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      @Mike The Mad Scientist Bartender: Stop fronting and hook me up with some of those jello shots cuz my weekend starts early this week and I'm buying.
      yeah see. Protestants realize it starts early because its good friday to honor their saviour. This one is talking about getting jello shots.

      Catholics - Only the pope loves em.
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      • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        yeah see. Protestants realize it starts early because its good friday to honor their saviour. This one is talking about getting jello shots.

        Catholics - Only the pope loves em.

        Never said I was a good Catholic, what the Pope don't know won't make him quit his job. LMAO @ anyone deciding "I'm so over being the earth's direct line to God, I want to play golf damnit"
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Ok BS aside I've done some guest blogging and I've accepted guest posts but it's always been something that's come naturally from an existing relationship with a webmaster in my niche that I respect. I've never hunted for guest blogging opportunities and the vast majority of guest post pitches I get from strangers are pathetic link-begging crap. They get sent to the spam folder to rot.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerMayer
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    Backlink in squidoo become useless now as backlinks are nofollow !!
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    • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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      Originally Posted by RogerMayer View Post

      Backlink in squidoo become useless now as backlinks are nofollow !!
      Didn't we kill this? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

        Didn't we kill this? :confused:
        We need not feel guilty. CTR very well could have brought it down all by herself. She is more than capable. MikeF will back me up on that

        (lets see if he has google alerts too)
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerMayer
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    Is worth to join squidoo now or hubpages?
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    • Profile picture of the author wpxo
      Originally Posted by RogerMayer View Post

      Is worth to join squidoo now or hubpages?
      You said above that Squidoo is worthless for backlinks, so I guess that leaves you with Hubpages.
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      Originally Posted by RogerMayer View Post

      Is worth to join squidoo now or hubpages?
      Good luck getting a dofollow link from Hubpages. It's not easy!
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    Personally I welcome this decision. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerMayer
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    Squidoo is now no follow for all of their links as of today so it's useless for backlinks anymore. As far as bannning lenses, they are banning them left and right. Google killed their traffic so they are in a total panic mode now and a lot of people are leaving and getting their accounts deleted as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by gearmonkey View Post

      Self hosted blogs are the best way to go.
      You mean until your host shuts you down? Or google de-indexes you?

      Why do people have this fear....

      A thought occurred to me about squidoo. Literally millions of backlinks
      are gone in one fell swoop. Squidoo had many options instead of
      global nofollow.

      Just read somewhere that this guy is going to override squidoo. He's
      going to make all his links "dofollow." That is too funny. But, how many
      of you believe there is a "dofollow"? Many. Like the Easter Bunny,
      it doesn't not exist.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author dkla27
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Like the Easter Bunny, it doesn't not exist.

        Paul
        Now I'm confused. I thought the Easter Bunny didn't not exist...

        About squidoo: I think that they will never recover from this fall no matter if they choose do follow or no follow. They had become too powerful for their own good. (yes, it's a conspiracy theory, I love those!)
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          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Like the Easter Bunny, it doesn't not exist.
          Originally Posted by dkla27 View Post

          I thought the Easter Bunny didn't not exist...
          Sorry to be pedantic but actually you're both wrong, its -

          "the Easter Bunny doesn't exist"

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  • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
    I only used Squidoo as a buffer to any money sites, but it looks like I'll not bother anymore. Personally I think the site's rubbish. Below is quick screenshot of the sites Alexa ranking from the last six months. The traffic the site receives is dying which is why they are trying to rescue it with all of the recent changes. Something is clearly wrong there.

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    the curve is impressive I doubt squidoo will dofollow again.
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    • Profile picture of the author tech84
      Originally Posted by RogerMayer View Post

      the curve is impressive I doubt squidoo will dofollow again.
      impressive indeed, like how probably you were on the fence on whose celebrity names to combine to create a new account. hmmmmm Roger Federrer or John Mayer?
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  • Profile picture of the author wpxo
    I still see many lenses ranking on page 1 so I am a bit surprised to see the Alexa graph. It looks like they've been hurting for a while now and I guess that's why they felt they needed to take some drastic steps to keep the ship from sinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaytav
    It's still good for the traffic and still a lot of people will have the benefit from Squidoo.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogerMayer
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    But nofollow is a big impact, as marketers like us won't use squidoo to build backlinks again. And squidoo will lose marketers like us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    It goes to show that you can never rely on one traffic/link building/product/monetization/blog/website. You have to diversify as much as you can without diluting your efforts.

    That being said, this is a shitty move by Squidoo.

    I mean, their really biting the hand that feeds them...

    People worked their tails off posting content and building links to their lenses.

    And they're going to burn them all of a sudden?
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      That being said, this is a shitty move by Squidoo.

      I mean, their really biting the hand that feeds them...

      People worked their tails off posting content and building links to their lenses.

      And they're going to burn them all of a sudden?
      That's exactly the problem for Squidoo - too many people posting crappy content and building crappy backlinks to it.

      Many Warriors aren't the hands that feed Squidoo - they're leaches sucking the life blood out of it.

      BTW - I'm not suggesting anyone in particular falls into this category, but it's clear from many threads on here that a lot of abuse has been going on and a good thing has been badly damaged.
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      • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
        Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

        That's exactly the problem for Squidoo - too many people posting crappy content and building crappy backlinks to it.

        Many Warriors aren't the hands that feed Squidoo - they're leaches sucking the life blood out of it.

        BTW - I'm not suggesting anyone in particular falls into this category, but it's clear from many threads on here that a lot of abuse has been going on and a good thing has been badly damaged.
        That's a good point. I honestly never did much with Squidoo because I found the content on most lenses was a notch above Ezine Articles (in other words, awful).

        This probably had something do to with the move:

        The last couple Panda refreshes must have taken their toll.
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    • Profile picture of the author steve70638
      This actually puts them between a rock and a hard place. One of the things that was always remarkable to me about using squidoo lenses for backlinks was the organic traffic that hit my lenses in a given week. It didn't turn into anything but a very slight trickle of traffic to the money site but I am sure it must have generated some adsense revenue for them.

      This means that with fewer SEO articles, then there will be a lot less traffic and less adsense revenue for Squidoo. In other words, in order to get their rank back, they need to push out the SEO people whose pages probably were responsible for a lot of revenue for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaroshIS
      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      It goes to show that you can never rely on one traffic/link building/product/monetization/blog/website. You have to diversify as much as you can without diluting your efforts.

      That being said, this is a shitty move by Squidoo.

      I mean, their really biting the hand that feeds them...

      People worked their tails off posting content and building links to their lenses.

      And they're going to burn them all of a sudden?
      You hit the nail ! This is the beginning of the end of lovely Squidoo ! People will delete backlinks, move content elsewhere and the traffic to Squidoo will drop.Bye bye advertising revenue.
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    • Profile picture of the author katherineolga
      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post


      People worked their tails off posting content and building links to their lenses.

      And they're going to burn them all of a sudden?
      I would think that in a way, it also burns themselves. They must be losing money - lots of lenses that have made them a lot of money were getting locked and flagged.

      With that being said, it was my understanding that nofollow links do still have a purpose in the SEO world. Is this wrong?
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  • Profile picture of the author danielph
    Bad news here, i was using it and some of the lenses makes 3-4 pr, so all this work will no go out?
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  • well it was a good ride while it lasted. make couple grand with nothing but squidoo len's over the years.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Self hosted sites is the best thing there is, I have 300+ self hosted sites and only 2 are deindexed. This is a 1000 times better then depending on a platform that can change to nofollow every day. Good bye link juice.

    Besides that Squidoo and other successful web2.0 platforms are more and more into removing spam or low quality blogs and turning it into nofollow so self hosted is the future and web2.0's or public sites in general (where everyone can place a link) are close to die.
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    • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Self hosted sites is the best thing there is, I have 300+ self hosted sites and only 2 are deindexed. This is a 1000 times better then depending on a platform that can change to nofollow every day. Good bye link juice.

      Besides that Squidoo and other successful web2.0 platforms are more and more into removing spam or low quality blogs and turning it into nofollow so self hosted is the future and web2.0's or public sites in general (where everyone can place a link) are close to die.
      Totally agree. Why build your business on quick sand? I will never build a business on someone elses platform. People will soon learn. First it was Posterous, now its Squidoo. Next month it could be Tumblr, Blogger, Pinterest. There is nothing you can do when it happens apart from moan about it..
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  • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
    Well it was only a matter of time, especially given all of the recent changes. I wonder what was the straw that broke the camels back...
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      The straw was a lot of things. Idiotic people were selling
      squidlikes. Those count quite a bit, especially by a high
      ranking squidoo. Affiliate link garbage, and just a high
      rate of people creating junk to promote junk.

      The problem is, squidoo encouraged other crap. They are
      now telling you to sell something from amazon, and do it
      from the top 5 modules. Almost begging you.

      They are killing backlinks, but trying to pump up their
      amazon profits. It's like they want to become one
      huge amazon affiliate. I don't get the amazon push.

      But they also are finding things may backfire. They are
      now going to not "nofollow" links to squidoo.com. I assume
      they like the PR given out...go figure. They obviously knew
      that internal backlinking is golden, and they may be killing
      themselves in the process by a global nofollow.

      I look for more updates.

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      • Profile picture of the author hpstudios
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        The problem is, squidoo encouraged other crap. They are now telling you to sell something from amazon, and do it from the top 5 modules. Almost begging you.
        I always find it funny when people say "The Devil Made Me Do It" when so many forums like this one were largely responsible for the feeding frenzy regarding the plastering of Amazon affiliate links on their lenses. I'm not saying that to be accusatory, just pointing out a statement of fact. Regardless of Squidoo's actions, there were always people pushing it as the ultimate affiliate marketing/ SEO tool/ get rich quick scheme to be milked to death, independent of anything that Squidoo might've done. Maybe through some actions, Squidoo inadvertently played into the feeding frenzy mentality. But never at any point in time did it ever advertise itself as being this huge "thing" that people could literally abuse to the point of becoming spent

        And it sure as hell never, ever, ever advocated the type of spamming that became rampant there, of lens being built up entirely of Amazon modules, with zero content, not even so much as a product description. In fact, over the past year, Squidoo literally had to argue itself hoarse with the scammers, spammers, and leeches claiming that it was "stupid" to add content to sales lenses. One lensmaster even bragged with pride on the forum once about how she basically flipped off an actual Squidoo staff member who asked her to add more content to one of her lenses.

        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        It's like they want to become one
        huge amazon affiliate. I don't get the amazon push.
        I do, 100%.

        Amazon modules were always voluntary. The reason why they were voluntary is that Squidoo believed in good faith that people who were on the site to make money would actually use them (in other words, not be greedy and hoard all the sales for themselves). Remember, when someone makes a sale through the Amazon module, Squidoo takes a cut.

        What instead happened is that Get Rich Quick schemers began leeching off of Squidoo. What they would do is use Third Party sites like SquidUtils to imitate the Amazon modules, so that they could get 100% of all sales through their lenses without having to share revenue with Squidoo. Making matters worse is that these are probably guys who were also getting massive payouts from Squidoo anyway from having cheated their way to Top Tier, either by using scripts to mass-update their lenses on a daily basis, using bots, whatever.

        Do the math and you can see why this would a problem. Say you have a lensmaster called, say, "bling4life" who has 10 lenses in Tier 1. At the highest payout ($50), Squidoo is paying him $500 a month for the privilege of posting lenses that earned him and him alone an additional $800 a month in Amazon, eBay, etc sales. Meanwhile, Squidoo isn't getting a cut of that money, not even a pittance to help pay for staff or maintenance or anything.

        This is why Squidoo added that prompt-- to annoy and discourage the leeches like that who literally come onto the site and expect to hoard every single sale they make through the site, with the expectation of massive Tier 1 payouts on top of that. Unfortunately, since Squidoo can't figure out the difference between a leech who's chosen not to use Amazon modules and a person who isn't using them because her lens isn't conducive to selling (like a lens about a pet that just died), Squidoo has forced this prompt on everyone's lenses.

        You may think it's obnoxious, but you know what? It's better than the alternative-- Squidoo saying, "You are no longer allowed to post outside affiliate links; you can only make money through our modules."

        Which is, if you think about it, well within its rights to do so. In fact, if the leeching got bad enough, it could conceivably do that in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author dids
    is this all lenses or only new ones created after a set date.
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    It's time to rename "Squidoo" to "Squidon't"...
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  • Profile picture of the author Gareth Mailer
    I haven't used Squidoo in at least 2 years. Even with a followed backlink, who cares? Google has probably determine long ago that it's a source of spam, hence the automatic devaluing of links - even keeping this in mind, nofollow links will make your profile appear more 'natural' anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cash37
    Time to throw Squidoo in the bushes. You can get nofollow links everywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Faisal-Rehman
    I have few high PR lens that will unfortunately turn into nofollow

    there will be few selected "Lens masters" who will get “dofollow” privileges on a case-by-case basis.
    May be Squidoo will loose its high volume of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author planck
    I was already considering reducing my squidoo efforts.

    Their no-follow markup has made the decision easy for me.

    Goodbye squidoo!
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  • Profile picture of the author dalegolden
    It is true. I have created a few squidoo featured lenses a few days ago with backlinks to one of my client's site. Did not noticed the links are nofollow because I have switched off my searchstatus add on. Not a big problem. Still squidoo holds a big number of traffic to pass in a website. Never forget about other search engines.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayy
    Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

    The squidoo team is announcing all sorts of changes.
    The biggest one is that in the next few days, all
    links on all lenses will be nofollow.



    Changing Link Status On Squidoo | SquidooHQ powered by Squidoo

    This is huge for anyone like me who use squidoo to the max. Oh well.
    Back to the drawing board...

    Paul
    Don't come crying to the forums as soon as you hear this kind of news and post absolute rubbish.

    squidoo is very easy to make a ton of money on and this has just made it about 100 times easier for people like me to make even more money with.

    :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author wavestation2010
      How does this affect people who wish to make money as an Amazon affilate on Squidoo and only use the Squidoo lenses and not use them as PR links back to their site?
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      • Profile picture of the author hpstudios
        Originally Posted by wavestation2010 View Post

        How does this affect people who wish to make money as an Amazon affilate on Squidoo and only use the Squidoo lenses and not use them as PR links back to their site?
        It doesn't. It only affects people who were relying heavily on Squidoo for link juice.

        But don't think this allows for complacency. Squidoo has been doing more active policing of lenses and has been scrubbing the site clean of lenses that really too heavily on affiliates. Make your sales lenses, but make sure that they're up to snuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author daisy172
      Originally Posted by Jayy View Post

      Don't come crying to the forums as soon as you hear this kind of news and post absolute rubbish.

      squidoo is very easy to make a ton of money on and this has just made it about 100 times easier for people like me to make even more money with.

      :rolleyes:
      Have you checked theit stats on Quantcast? Their traffic is sinking - so not sure how it is "100 times easier" for people like you to make money with them. Lower traffic = lower money.

      One outcome of this is that those who made a lens for a backlink, and then backlinked the lens, won't bother any more. So the velocity of incoming links to the site should start to decelerate sharply...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevinhoss
    That is sad... Well, good thing there are other sites out there. Squidoo is not the only tool that you should rely on anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayy
    Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

    The squidoo team is announcing all sorts of changes.
    The biggest one is that in the next few days, all
    links on all lenses will be nofollow.



    Changing Link Status On Squidoo | SquidooHQ powered by Squidoo

    This is huge for anyone like me who use squidoo to the max. Oh well.
    Back to the drawing board...

    Paul
    :rolleyes::rolleyeson't come crying to the forums as soon as you hear this kind of news and post absolute rubbish.

    squidoo is very easy to make a ton of money on and this has just made it about 100 times easier for people like me to make even more money with.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    I wonder if it will continue to be as popular? Certainly less desirable now that these changes have occurred, since it used to be a very solid performer. Be interesting to see if it makes a difference to anything at all.

    They're all doing it, being good so Google doesn't slap them around... Found loads of Web 2.0 sites that this has happened to.

    I have to admit, I don't much bothered with this sort of stuff any more, since it's pretty pointless now anyway. You can't artificially inflate your rankings easily without social proof anyway.

    I would be interested as to what effect it would have overall on a diversified set of links anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Rather than start a new thread, thought I would post this here.
      Squidoo has been cleaning house lately and I woke up to a good
      surprise. Before, I hade 130+ lenses, with about 50 as non-featured,
      below rank of 400,000.

      This morning virtually all of them were now featured, above 400,000.
      What that means is that squidoo must have deleted a ton of sites.

      And that was good for me!

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  • Profile picture of the author Craig B
    Squidoo is an AdSense/Amazon Affiliate farm. Nothing more, nothing less. It really wasn't that difficult to see this coming.

    Changing outbound links to nofollow is a desperation attempt to try to get some "Google love". Good luck with that.

    If you're going to use Web 2.0's for SEO, stay away from the obvious content farms. They're going to be hit by the Big G sooner or later. Even then, you're still at their mercy if they decide to change to nofollow.
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    • Profile picture of the author hpstudios
      Originally Posted by Craig B View Post

      Changing outbound links to nofollow is a desperation attempt to try to get some "Google love". Good luck with that.
      No, Squidoo did that out of a desperate attempt to rid itself of the PR link juice/ affiliate marketing/ freelance writing leeches, scroungers, and other parasites who were only there to bleed the site and company dry.

      And you know what? It's working! The leeches couldn't have fled the site fast enough. There have been more "FU, Squidoo! I quit!" posts in one week than there have been in the entire duration of Squidoo's run. 90% of those "I quit" scroungers, if you looked at their profiles, had mostly crappy content pointing back to their even crappier websites. Thanks to "no-follow", the mass influx of losers pumping out plagiarized, spun, and Google Translated content onto Squidoo is now officially over, and the site can go back to trying to gain some sort of respectability.
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      • Profile picture of the author Craig B
        Originally Posted by hpstudios View Post

        No, Squidoo did that out of a desperate attempt to rid itself of the PR link juice/ affiliate marketing/ freelance writing leeches, scroungers, and other parasites who were only there to bleed the site and company dry.
        This was done because they were hit by the Big G. Otherwise, they would've done this years ago. It's not like these "leeches" haven't been around that long.

        Originally Posted by hpstudios View Post

        And you know what? It's working!
        Their traffic keeps falling and they keep dropping in Google. I wouldn't call that working.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
          Squidoo's problem is that they are reactive, not proactive.
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          • Profile picture of the author hpstudios
            Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

            Squidoo's problem is that they are reactive, not proactive.
            Yep, that's exactly 100% right.

            There was a conference call with Seth Godin and some other Squidoo staff a few weeks ago that not only confirmed this, but shed light on why that's the case. It was not only eye-opening, but almost heartbreaking to listen to.

            Ever come across those parents who are so overly nice and sensitive that they're not cut out to be disciplinarians? You know what I'm talking about-- the type of parents who are too timid to actually discipline their kids because they're too afraid of being seen as "bad" or "mean." And so their kids wind up totally treating them like doormats.

            This is literally how Squidoo has been dealing with problem users. Up until recently, it was doing everything it could to avoid becoming the "mean parent." One of the ways it was doing this was giving the problem users too many "outs" to shape up or ship out, when it should've just been banning people left and right.

            One "out" it was doing was posting all these "tutorials" in the "hopes" of coaching problem users into improving their lenses. Another "out" it was doing was having staff go out to different problem users and say, like, "Hey, man, your lens is kinda awesome, but could you, like, add more content, please? Pretty please? Please, please, please? With ice cream on top? Not saying you're doing anything wrong, just do us this favor. We love you!" :p

            Squidoo was so wishy-washy when it came to dealing with bad users, in fact, that it allowed members to "mouth off" to staff. By mouthing off, I don't mean post criticism. I mean, do stuff like post mocking messages in Godin's guestbook or post bratty commentary openly defying HQ's directives about adding more content to pages.

            An example, as I mentioned in an earlier post, was of a lensmaster who was brazen enough to brag on the forums that she had ignored an actual Squidoo staff member's message to fix her page. Yup, was like, "Haha, this person just asked me to add more content; I just blew them off, hahaha."

            You'd think that with such a snotty, rebellious attitude coming from these users, Squidoo would've just laid down the smackdown. But nope, just like a "nice parent", Seth Godin and his staff would actually "play nice" with these people.

            Unfortunately, he and Squidoo's staff took such a timid, we-don't-want-to-hurt-your-feelings approach that it took the site being on the brink of disaster before actually going, "You know what? No more Mr. Nice Guy!"

            So finally Squidoo is being more "proactive." Great that it did, finally, but it may be a case at this point of too little, too late.
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        • Profile picture of the author hpstudios
          Originally Posted by Craig B View Post

          This was done because they were hit by the Big G. Otherwise, they would've done this years ago. It's not like these "leeches" haven't been around that long.
          You're free to imagine whatever you "think" happened. Just don't expect someone like me who does to waste time arguing with someone who doesn't.
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          • Profile picture of the author Craig B
            Originally Posted by hpstudios View Post

            You're free to imagine whatever you "think" happened. Just don't expect someone like me who does to waste time arguing with someone who doesn't.
            So you're denying that they got hit by Google recently? :confused:

            They've had years to make this change but didn't do so until now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheila Ross
    Squidoo have taken a very good step. It will increase the quality of their contents and decrease spam. They have still kept the scope to get dofollow backlinks from them only when they will found you as a useful contributor.
    They want to tell you, "Don't become backlink savvy".
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    Squidoo was a great ride whilst it lasted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amod Oke
    Well, that's the biggest reason you should never have run a business that's more than 25% dependent on any other business!
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  • Profile picture of the author PookieThePirate
    I was never really a fan of Squidoo. Too much work on a lens, more than any other article writing website. They ask for more of their writers than anything else (unless you try to sneak a backlink article).

    There are other websites that rival Squidoo, but are smaller. I remember a lot of them flocking to Zujava. I remember once someone saying they made more money on Zujava then on Squidoo. Thing is, I don't even see Zujava articles on google, but Squidoo lenses show up even on the first page sometimes. I think their ad pool or something is better, I'm not sure.

    Squidoo was the first platform of making money online I discovered. While Squidoo brings immediate traffic, in the long run these people who make extremely unique content, especially "How to's", can profit from making their own website.

    Their community is a bit uptight, they are really trying to weed out people who want to solely make money on Squidoo, even taking out their transfer lens feature (I don't know if it's back). What do you expect though when you give people the option to monetize their articles lol.

    Was good for backlinking while it lasted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stratman87
    Yeah so, I understand the changes big G is making and all these big G buttkissing websites to eliminate spam and increase quality. It makes sense, and to be honest I agree with it. However, can someone throw us a bone? I mean, squidoo can maybe up their standards for posts and make it more challenging; I'm fine with that. I'll put in the extra time to make a quality lens if I have to...but it's really getting to the point that the outbound linking game is becoming a big shot in the dark.

    Guest blogging: more like "guest flogging". I create content for other SEOs sites and they take the liberty of placing their own links at the top of the article, letting my little author bio link to sink to the bottom of the abyss. Too much time and effort for the possibility of some reward---but probably not.

    So far what I am seeing is: social, Social, SOCIAL! Creating content that people like and share is becoming a powerful and effective tool for marketing. But...how do I make an electrician company interesting enough to share. Ah yes, another impossible feat.

    Anyway, my strategy will remain the same for now: do a little bit of everything. At least if 1 thing gets knocked (*cough* squidoo), I won't...get...eliminated...as they say on MXC
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  • Profile picture of the author freeadstime
    Google says give nofollow, if you do not know the other site. There are millions links, if not billions links on Squidoo and it can not possibly know about all these links. We would say it was a right approach.
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  • Profile picture of the author boosters
    Squidoo is going to dead like hubpages when they required phone verification and one more i forget which is now asking for the invitation code or pay for the registration fees.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernies
    I feel that many lensbuilders aren't going to like this change.

    I create lens on a daily basis for SEO and this is very discouraging. Oh well, just more reason to switch to hubpages.
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  • Profile picture of the author wally247
    I guess this doesn't bother me too much. I have yet to read anywhere on the internet that NOFOLLOW = SUCK

    People always say "google likes___" and fill in whatever they read that week, but nobody ever seems to say "Google is probably aware that 100% DOFOLLOW links look unnatural".


    You never see that. Squidoo is hardly worthless in my eyes with this.


    Still going to use Squidoo, still going to get results with it...
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  • Profile picture of the author FakeItTilYouMakeIt
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    Congratulations to Paul for being the first one to break this story. SEO bloggers caught up only 5 days ago. Look guys Barry Schwartz quoted my comment and didn't credit me lmao:

    Squidoo NoFollows All Outbound Links

    Thanks Barry, and here I am linking to your post It's totally cool, he's Barry Schwartz people, BARRY SCHWARTZ.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stratman87
      Originally Posted by FakeItTilYouMakeIt View Post

      Congratulations to Paul for being the first one to break this story. SEO bloggers caught up only 5 days ago. Look guys Barry Schwartz quoted my comment and didn't credit me lmao:

      Squidoo NoFollows All Outbound Links

      Thanks Barry, and here I am linking to your post It's totally cool, he's Barry Schwartz people, BARRY SCHWARTZ.
      I See your Schwartz is as BIG as mine!
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  • Profile picture of the author pdev988
    This is Big loss of rankings, bad news for webmaster who are using Squidoo for backlinks!,
    Squidoo is one of the most popular avenues for traffic generation and Squidoo, is one of the BEST places to get backlinks!
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  • Profile picture of the author CleanSEO
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    FakeItTilYouMakeIt would love to answer you unfortunately she got herself a 3 day auto-ban for making a joke in binary code (no, really.) Must have set off the WF spam filters. All hater-mail can be forwarded to youjustjelly@hater-nation.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Ephrils
    Well, that scratches them off my list of sites to use...
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  • Profile picture of the author inudu
    Squidoo is dumb. Always dancing around to please Google. Websites are for people, not search bots.

    All those article directories that got hit by Panda never recovered because they suck anyway. Same with Squidoo. It's one big affiliate marketing scheme and I'm glad people finally found out what they think about you - absolutely nothing.

    If you write good content and have a list, you don't even need Google. Why waste time building someone's elses website when you can create and share good videos along with text content to build a loyal following. Forget Squidoo. Record, publish and profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    From what I see you folks are looking at a lot of pages being removed from Squidoo like it's a bad thing.

    Did you ever consider that for every single Squidoo page that's been removed from the SERPs, it's most likely an easy keyword/phrase to rank for (right now)?

    Stop belly aching, fire up Wayback & track down the deleted pages/keywords because 9 other domains/pages just moved up 1 position on the SERPs.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      From what I see you folks are looking at a lot of pages being removed from Squidoo like it's a bad thing.
      For me, it's not too bad of a thing. Virtually all of my lenses moved up in lensrank
      because of so many deletions. I only had 3-4 deleted out of about 140.

      Thing is, not being a bad thing is not a great thing either. Those lenses that
      don't earn cash and get loads of visits are now useless for backlinks.

      Having loads of backlinks gone will certainly hurt in the long run.

      As far as new niches moving up, well, you still gotta go out and create.
      Squidoo got a bump because of squidoo, no doubt about that.

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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    My understanding was that Google still counts nofollow links it just doesnt follow them. I thought nofollow was simply a way for Google to understand that this link is not intended to raise the linked sites ranking.

    nofollow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    rel="nofollow" - Webmaster Tools Help

    However in an indirect way nofollow links will still assist SEO in my view. Say you have a large number of people click on your website via a no follow link. Firstly your page views and uniques go up, theh you may have some of those people link you your page via their dofollow sites and pages.

    Its the same as the whole "Does using Adwords benefit organic SEO?" question. Ive always been of the opinion that it does, indirectly.

    At the end of the day the nofollow links and or ads do not pass pagerank but you can still benefit from them indirectly and or directly via the traffic. Its the same as a paid ad really.
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  • Profile picture of the author IamGrace
    Don't worry guys, there are still plenty of ways to get quality backlinks without using Squidoo.

    Although we all know that it is a well known site and an awesome way to create backlinks, we have all benefited from it. But since it is meaningless to use it at the moment, time to find somewhere else! 
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  • Profile picture of the author theacewriter
    Hello,

    It was expected I suppose.

    Lesson: Never build your links around one platform. Link diversity rocks.

    Thanks.
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