Cloudflare and adsense bans

by OkyNet
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Hi,

A friend of mine told me that it's not safe to use cloudflare with adsense as this is a violation of the adsense terms.

Anyone heard something about this?

Thanks
#adsense #bans #cloudflare
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I had to Google cloudfare, it sounds like a horrible idea regardless If your running Adsense or not.

    Once your website is a part of the CloudFlare community, its web traffic is routed through our intelligent global network.
    If you funnel 100% of your traffic into cloudfare (or anything else) they can do whatever they want with your traffic before they forward your own traffic back to your site.

    All they would have to do is skim a small percentage of every single sites traffic that is being filtered by cloudfare, the webmasters would never know what's going on.

    Crazy idea IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
      This just popped up in an alert for me even though it is quite old...

      We have many sites using CloudFlare with AdSense without issue at all (the only thing we have had that *might* impact AdSense in some way would be Rocket Loader, something that can potentially impact JavaScript and jQuery, but you should not see any issues with AdSense at all as a general rule).
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    • Profile picture of the author netanel23
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I had to Google cloudfare, it sounds like a horrible idea regardless If your running Adsense or not.



      If you funnel 100% of your traffic into cloudfare (or anything else) they can do whatever they want with your traffic before they forward your own traffic back to your site.

      All they would have to do is skim a small percentage of every single sites traffic that is being filtered by cloudfare, the webmasters would never know what's going on.

      Crazy idea IMO.
      Cloudflare is a CDN (content delivery network), I am actually quite surprised you haven't heard of it or what a CDN is.

      In short a CDN is designed to help optimize your traffic and reduce the load time on your website. I'm not sure what you think a CDN is but they are beneficial and recommended to reduce a sites load time.

      To answer the OPs question I doubt that cloudflare leads to bans as many top websites use CDN for their websites.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by netanel23 View Post

        Cloudflare is a CDN (content delivery network), I am actually quite surprised you haven't heard of it or what a CDN is.

        In short a CDN is designed to help optimize your traffic and reduce the load time on your website. I'm not sure what you think a CDN is but they are beneficial and recommended to reduce a sites load time.

        To answer the OPs question I doubt that cloudflare leads to bans as many top websites use CDN for their websites.
        Like I'm going to funnel all my traffic into another site.



        To answer the OPs question I doubt that cloudflare leads to bans as many top websites use CDN for their websites.
        Doubtful top websites are running the same type of Adsense account as OP, they're most likely running premium accounts (different rules).
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        • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Like I'm going to funnel all my traffic into another site.
          exactly.

          traffic for less load time?

          that is the worst trade I've ever heard hahahah.
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          • Profile picture of the author satrap
            Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

            exactly.

            traffic for less load time?

            that is the worst trade I've ever heard hahahah.
            But you are not trading traffic for anything. A cdn network just serves your files faster. That's all!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rehmat
        Originally Posted by netanel23 View Post

        many top websites use CDN for their websites.
        They use CDN on any sub-domain (i.e. cdn.abc.com) to improve delivery of just images and other static content. They never pass their traffic through any third party servers. You need to learn more about better and safe use of a CDN

        I agreed to yukon, big sites are premium publishers and AdSense never gets banned there easily.
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        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
          Originally Posted by Rehmat View Post

          They use CDN on any sub-domain (i.e. cdn.abc.com) to improve delivery of just images and other static content. They never pass their traffic through any third party servers. You need to learn more about better and safe use of a CDN
          You know, traffic through third party servers is the definition of the internet. You describe one fail-safe and easy way to use a CDN, but it's not the only one. Big corporations may build their "own" or rent from much bigger players than Cloudflare.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rehmat
            Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

            You know, traffic through third party servers is the definition of the internet. You describe one fail-safe and easy way to use a CDN, but it's not the only one. Big corporations may build their "own" or rent from much bigger players than Cloudflare.
            Agreed, but even when the brands hire / establish their own CDNs, still they do it over sub-domains. The traffic isn't passed through third party servers and landing pages are made available directly from the originating server. No one uses a CDN to optimize the delivery of text, JavaScript and CSS . I'm talking about the most obvious use of CDNs.
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by Rehmat View Post

              No one uses a CDN to optimize the delivery of text, JavaScript and CSS .
              I'm not sure why you keep saying this kind of stuff like you knew what you were talking about. No one uses? Where did this nugget of insight supposedly come from?

              I don't know jack about real-life big-time CDN usage, but I know enough. The point of the exercise is to keep the CDN (or varnish, cache, proxies if you're not into that kinky geologically dispersed stuff) invisible to the end user.

              Just because you can see a subdomain address in your browser window when you mouseover an image doesn't mean you're seeing the whole picture.
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              • Profile picture of the author Rehmat
                Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

                I'm not sure why you keep saying this kind of stuff like you knew what you were talking about. No one uses? Where did this nugget of insight supposedly come from?

                I don't know jack about real-life big-time CDN usage, but I know enough. The point of the exercise is to keep the CDN (or varnish, cache, proxies if you're not into that kinky geologically dispersed stuff) invisible to the end user.

                Just because you can see a subdomain address in your browser window when you mouseover an image doesn't mean you're seeing the whole picture.
                I don't want to argue and as far as I have analyzed big brands (that use CDN), they use CDNs to take static content nearer to the visitor. I am not saying this by seeing the URL in browser at all, I figure it all by the IP look up. Yes when you will go for a free plan with Cloudflare, you don't have any other choice than passing your entire traffic through them. At present, I'm not using any CDN, but when I'll be using it, my choice will be MaxCDN and I'll use it for just images and other media delivery.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by netanel23 View Post

        In short a CDN is designed to help optimize your traffic and reduce the load time on your website. I'm not sure what you think a CDN is but they are beneficial and recommended to reduce a sites load time.
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        He thinks that when you say traffic it means visitors going to another site and not a technical way of handling internet connections on your behalf to your site's content. I was about to cut him some slack because I saw he wrote that last year but I see he still does not know what it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    I regularly use several websites that use cloudflare/adsense with no issues. Some pretty large companies use them as well. Typically I would bet a service like Cloudflare would be great for some PPC campaigns or something that would scale rapidly.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Originally Posted by OkyNet View Post

    Hi,
    A friend of mine told me that it's not safe to use cloudflare with adsense as this is a violation of the adsense terms.
    Anyone heard something about this?
    Thanks
    Your friend is wrong. I use cloudflare on an adsense site with no problems and so do a lot of other people.

    Did you even read Google terms and conditions to see what it says?????

    There was one case a while back on the google adsense help group in which a webmaster was asserting that cloudfare was the reason that he was banned for invalid activity. No one was buying that as the reason. Here is the thread:
    https://productforums.google.com/for...s/6mA9KRT4MXEJ
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  • Profile picture of the author petjelly
    I dont think you should have any problem with adsense if you use cloudflare. Why don't you contact google yourself and clarify.
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  • Profile picture of the author promo87
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    well, to some extent i guess use of cloudfare will adversely impact Google Adsense but again cloufare moderators are saying the opposite thing but still to be on safe side I am not going to use cloudfare with Google Adsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by promo87 View Post

      well, to some extent i guess use of cloudfare will adversely impact Google Adsense .
      Exactly how does it adversely impact adsense?
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

        Exactly how does it adversely impact adsense?
        That's the question here. It's just a content delivery network, a service that copies your content to a fast and geographically disperse network of servers. The part of the HTML that's serving the ads should be exactly the same as before unless the service is deliberately changing it.

        Yukon's sentiment doesn't mean that Cloudflare would actually impact ad serving.

        If they would direct traffic in a way they're not supposed to, all hell would break loose. Screwing people isn't something they'd get away with so I'm betting they're not going to try that. Cloudflare's business model is freemium: they've got better features and more robust accounts to offer.
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        • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          That's the question here..
          promo87claimed it would be a problem. I just want to know what makes them claim that. I see no problem with it and have had no problems using it with adsense. There is NOTHING in the Adsense terms and conditions about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          If they would direct traffic in a way they're not supposed to, all hell would break loose. Screwing people isn't something they'd get away with so I'm betting they're not going to try that. Cloudflare's business model is freemium: they've got better features and more robust accounts to offer.
          Well theres that and the fact that, due to what the internet is, technically your traffic goes through companies facilities that you have never heard of. So if you are going to be paranoid be always paranoid.
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    • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
      Originally Posted by promo87 View Post

      well, to some extent i guess use of cloudfare will adversely impact Google Adsense but again cloufare moderators are saying the opposite thing but still to be on safe side I am not going to use cloudfare with Google Adsense.
      We have many sites using CloudFlare and AdSense without issue at all (we have well over 1 million domains using us). The number of complaints we have had about AdSense and CloudFlare in our support system during the past month is zero. Outside of Rocket Loader, which may impact JavaScript and jQuery (rare with AdSense), there is nothing we should do to impact AdSense.
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  • Profile picture of the author ufshane
    As a cloudflare certified partner, all of our sites that run adsense including our gaming site have no issues at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    I don't think that cloudflare would do anything like stealing your traffic. After all they are a very big company. I've used them, however, I never did for adsense sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I only have experience with one site that uses cloudfare. Thing is,
      it looks like a drag on visitors. I get messages saying to wait why
      cloudfare does something....if that's less load time, count me out.
      (it says it's checking my browser...for what, I have no idea)

      This is frickin' 2014. Anyone worried about load time must be worried about
      dial up customers...and I aint worried about those people.

      If that cloudfare in any way, shape, or form, interferes with a person
      surfing the site, it is a violation of adsense. Technically, anyway.
      And not knowing how cloudfare works, I can just think of javascripts,
      java, flash, etc. maybe not running in some "secure" 3rd party environment,
      however transparent they claim it is.

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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I only have experience with one site that uses cloudfare. Thing is,
        it looks like a drag on visitors. I get messages saying to wait why
        cloudfare does something....if that's less load time, count me out.
        (it says it's checking my browser...for what, I have no idea)

        This is frickin' 2014. Anyone worried about load time must be worried about
        dial up customers...and I aint worried about those people.

        If that cloudfare in any way, shape, or form, interferes with a person
        surfing the site, it is a violation of adsense. Technically, anyway.
        And not knowing how cloudfare works, I can just think of javascripts,
        java, flash, etc. maybe not running in some "secure" 3rd party environment,
        however transparent they claim it is.

        Paul
        Hi Paul,

        Yes indeed, it is 2014, and if you are not in a highly competitive niche and you have a tiny website with very little traffic then you probably do not need a CDN. However if you are in a highly competitive niche, like eCommerce, then there is a significant and measurable benefit in using a CDN service.

        For my larger eCommerce websites I ran tests when first implementing the CDN service and measured a 20-40% lift in conversion rates that were directly attributable to the CDN service. That adds up to thousands of dollars in profit each month that we were losing before the adoption of CDN.

        Besides making your web page load lightning fast, CDNs offer other benefits, like increased security, lower hosting costs, and a more reliable web presence.

        Paul, I had the same concerns that you and others in this thread have expressed. I ended up waiting for more than a year before I finally made the leap. Once I finally took the time to learn the details of how the services worked I kicked myself for putting it off for so long. "This is frickin' 2014" get with the current web technology won't you?
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        [QUOTE=paulgl;8887875]I only have experience with one site that uses cloudfare. Thing is,
        it looks like a drag on visitors. I get messages saying to wait why
        cloudfare does something....if that's less load time, count me out.
        (it says it's checking my browser...for what, I have no idea)

        This means that the site owner turned on I'm Under Attack mode (this is not on by default). A site owner would turn this on when they are having a DDoS attack.
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    • Profile picture of the author damoncloudflare
      Originally Posted by yoangov View Post

      I don't think that cloudflare would do anything like stealing your traffic. After all they are a very big company. I've used them, however, I never did for adsense sites.
      Correct. We wouldn't do anything to steal traffic away from sites that use us. Why would we? We wouldn't gain anything by doing something like that.
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