What is Your SEO Style?

13 years ago

Recently, I'm counting more on high quality content and other on-page SEO.
I haven't building backlinks for about 6 months, but my site still ranks well on G serps.
I keep away from wearing a black hat, prefer the grey one. lol

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Hansons

13 years ago

Well, commenting would help if they are sending traffic to your website, there is no doubt to it, but you have to keep developing content in your website too.

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wilsonbar

13 years ago

i use always white hat SEO
i do first complete onpage seo then go to offpage seo

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muneer195

Banned 13 years ago

I do mix. But mostly automated through softwares.

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mexabet 13 years ago

Of course, white hat SEO. To be effective, religiously follow changes in ranking factors and other metrics.
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jonrpatrick

13 years ago

Honestly, I couldn't define the difference between the 2.
I add content to my blogs, I use Yoast SEO to keep me straight, I share on twitter and FB, I build some backlinks, and I do this daily.
Seems to me, no matter the changes Google makes, good quality content around a topic will always be relevant.

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easypr

13 years ago

Add fresh and Unique content, add unique meta tags, optimize images, add heading. Not add to much keywords in content, links in content etc. In off page - submit your website which have high PR, dofollow, indexed. This my SEO style

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rjames

13 years ago

I have tons of niche sites...build high PR blog networks for linking and use other tools for automated link building...by some peoples standards I'm black hat...grey hat with others...I do what I do...don't really care what color my hat is...lol

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Michael Nguyen

13 years ago

You can call it the art of fighting without fighting.

Just get the job done but beware of the risk and manage your clients expectations.

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jxam69

13 years ago

I've been doing SEO since before the term even existed.

I stick to what the major search engines of the day say they want - with nearly 20 years experience as a web publisher I can say this pays dividends in the long run.

I have nothing against those who chose to use other tactics, it's a business decision like any other, and one which may work for them for whatever duration they need it to.

PS - I do have a problem with spammers clogging up the web and increasing the costs of legitimate operators.

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Rebeccha Haase

13 years ago

I am always after white hat SEO. Learning a lot from here. At this time, I am only doing blog commenting in high PR or high quality blog pages.

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squadron

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mindtricks18

What's Your SEO Style? Black Hat or White Hat? what are best ways to be successful with White Hat SEO?

To me all SEO is black hat, but there are different shades of black. At one end of the "blackhat scale" you have manual blog commenting to get backlinks, at the other end you hire a Russian crime syndicate to hack PR8 dotgov domains to give you hidden footer links to your private blog network.

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13 years ago

I focus on white hat stuff like creating content valuable for visitors and I don't focus too much on the technical stuff except for on page seo...

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

I'm wearing a sombrero & a poncho.

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IamGrace

13 years ago

I am pro WHITE HAT SEO!

I prefer using white hat seo because of the benefits it provides. Once you reach your SEO goal, it will be long lasting because of the strong foundation and strategies you implemented.

This is where your reputaion management kicks in! So don't be in a hurry, it really takes time to get notified, and be in the position where you wanted to be; that is on the highest rank on search result pages.

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PaulBaker

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mindtricks18

Black Hat or White Hat?

For me it depends on the shoes.

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wally247

13 years ago

"White hat" is a joke. All white hat means is that you "create quality content" with 10,000 word articles about lawn mowers or whatever your niche is, and wait for the Google gods to rank you with their "super high quality" algorithm that doesn't exist.

Sorry, it doesn't work. A site without links may as well not even exist, because in the eyes of Google, it won't. As far as Google is concerned, if you "build links" you are black hat, period!

All these so-called "white hat" people...if you guys have EVER built a link to your own site , you are not white hat...sorry.

You don't need 1500 word articles, and you don't need any hippy prayers. You need BLACK HAT LINKS!

Once you go black hat, you never go back hat.

or something..

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Velant

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mindtricks18

What's Your SEO Style? Black Hat or White Hat? what are best ways to be successful with White Hat SEO?

Hm... hard question, let me think...
Green, blue, orange, yellow, magenta, purple, pink, orange... Did I miss anything? :confused:

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13 years ago

If you're doing off page SEO then you're doing black hat SEO. Google doesn't want you to manipulate their search results so anything off page is black hat SEO. Personally I wear a black hat because there is no other choice when competing in competitive niches. If your competition does it then you have no other choice. The difference is how well you do it, if you make the links look natural then you can't be penalised.

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themen710

13 years ago

I like using black hat SEO. It lets you have the result more quickly as compared to white hat SEO. Black hat SEO is a shortcyt, a way that some people think that will give them fast ans easy result, but Black Hat SEO is not being advised to be used because it is not search engine friendly.

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rypher21

13 years ago

I use Blog commenting and Forum posting for SEO.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

I am doing SAPE links for the past 3 years now. Works great

100% white hat.

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alvinchua91

13 years ago

White hat definitely, I target low competition keywords. I used to do blackhat, got me quick results in terms of PR, but I got delisted off Google the moment they found out. So I recommend blackhat for short term money, while white hat if you want to build a business

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dennis09

13 years ago

I know some people whine about the blackhat stuff not being a long term buriness model, but let me ask you a question: If you saw a $100 bill on the ground would you pick it up?

Im no purist. I do a both white and blackhat but I make sure the projects are well separated. The income from the blackhat stuff gets reinvested into the whitehat projects.

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Msaeed

13 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I know some people whine about the blackhat stuff not being a long term buriness model, but let me ask you a question: If you saw a $100 bill on the ground would you pick it up?

Im no purist. I do a both white and blackhat but I make sure the projects are well separated. The income from the blackhat stuff gets reinvested into the whitehat projects.

I totally agree.

Rank keywords quickly by building high PR links to your website, start ranking and start making money. However realise this is probably not a viable long term option so don't complain when Google clamps down when you try to game the system. Use the profits to invest into building a high quality website with great content and build it up slowly.

Black hat - short term
White hat - long term

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Backlinko 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Msaeed

Black hat - short term
White hat - long term

Pretty much this.

The only thing is: the short term is getting shorter and shorter. You used to be able to rank for months if not years with black hat stuff.

But the game has changed.

It's harder to rank with black hat in the first place...and harder to keep the site there when you do.

I'm a reformed black hatter.

Lettuce be cereal:

It was a fun ride but it's time to sack up and start a real business.
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- rjames 13 years ago
  
  It depends on what you consider black hat really...I consider what i do black hat because im building links myself and not "earning" them, so in Google's eyes, I'm black hat because Im beating the system, yet the exact same thing I've done for years for back linking is still working...most of my sites i literally never ever touch and they camp out on the first page, so i guess there are different shades of black...lol
  
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Msaeed

I totally agree.

Rank keywords quickly by building high PR links to your website, start ranking and start making money. However realise this is probably not a viable long term option so don't complain when Google clamps down when you try to game the system. Use the profits to invest into building a high quality website with great content and build it up slowly.

Black hat - short term
White hat - long term

Pretty much this.

Grey is basically... well grey.. and it's kinda about how far you think you can push the boundaries whilst still being safe... also thinking about the future, and not whats safe now, but what will be safe in 2, 3, 5 years time.

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SEODollz

13 years ago

Don't remember where I read once that the whole "hat" thing makes SEO sound like a Harry Potter movie. lmao Til we start talking about "link bait" and "link juice" then it sounds like a very different kind of movie...

I do what works while taking care of my clients for the long term.

Unrelated: Hey SAPE guy... kiss my ... hat

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Lilacor 13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Unrelated: Hey SAPE guy... kiss my ... hat

Wanna tell me something, mate? Be my guest!
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patco

13 years ago

White hat otherwise all your work would be useless once Google blacklists your website

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13 years ago

I don't listen to "experts". I test and see what gets results....and that's what I do.

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SEODollz

13 years ago

@ SAPE guy

Yes, this: stop selling links injected onto hacked sites. It makes puppies cry and surely that's not good for business. Plus it's really irritating to see you say no pharma/spam sites and the links are all nestled together like best buddies.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

@ SAPE guy

Yes, this: stop selling links injected onto hacked sites. It makes puppies cry and surely that's not good for business. Plus it's really irritating to see you say no pharma/spam sites and the links are all nestled together like best buddies.

I have given thorough explanations on how I work with SAPE here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post7990442
and here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post7990386
It's true that none of the SAPE providers know how to filter SAPE links as they don't use the filters properly - they just don't know how to, but they wouldn't admit it as money is the most important to them. But not to me. I never build black hat links (footer, hidden, next to bed neighborhoods, etc) as I know how to use SAPE correctly

So stop speaking rubbish, please.

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SEODollz

13 years ago

Not rubbish. But I see you are simply peddling these links. Tell me, did Reuters really sign up to have the SAPE code on their site? Fascinating business choice.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Not rubbish. But I see you are simply peddling these links. Tell me, did Reuters really sign up to have the SAPE code on their site? Fascinating business choice.

I can't speak of everybody's name, mate! Sure sape is full of spammy and non-working links, also hacked ones - it's inevitable. Hackers are everywhere. What I promise my clients is to get the best ones that will work for their websites and will help them achieve their goals. That's all. I am using sape the white hat way

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SEODollz

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

I can't speak of everybody's name, mate! Sure sape is full of spammy and non-working links, also hacked ones - it's inevitable. Hackers are everywhere. What I promise my clients is to get the best ones that will work for their websites and will help them achieve their goals. That's all. I am using sape the white hat way

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Msaeed

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

I can't speak of everybody's name, mate! Sure sape is full of spammy and non-working links, also hacked ones - it's inevitable. Hackers are everywhere. What I promise my clients is to get the best ones that will work for their websites and will help them achieve their goals. That's all. I am using sape the white hat way

Oh please do enlighten us.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

Sure! I don't do footer & hidden links, never buy links on pages with links to bad neighborhoods (sex, porn, viagra, etc.) always choose links based on relevancy, placed as higher on the pages as possible (often within the content) and I always check all the pages where I intend to buy links on manually - I open them one by one. It's time-consuming, but the results is worth it. This is my way. It ensures all links look as natural as possible, so it's basically white hat.

Originally Posted by Msaeed

Oh please do enlighten us.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

Sure! I don't do footer & hidden links, never buy links on pages with links to bad neighborhoods (sex, porn, viagra, etc.) always choose links based on relevancy, placed as higher on the pages as possible (often within the content) and I always check all the pages where I intend to buy links on manually - I open them one by one. It's time-consuming, but the results is worth it. This is my way. It ensures all links look as natural as possible, so it's basically white hat.

Its not basically white hat. Buying links is clearly against terms and conditions...nothing white hat about it.

People often confuse low probability of being detected with hat color. Just because you don't get caught doing something doesn't mean you are allowed to do it.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

True, panic! I fully agree. Buying and selling links is strictly against Google's TOS. But tell me who doesn't? How can you get a strong dofollow link from authoritative website and not pay for it? PR articles? Guest blogging? Sorry to tell you this, but they don't work. Every leader in its online niche buys links - some are known about it, others aren't. But in order to get strong links and rank for the keywords you want to rank (get the anchors you'd prefer) you have to buy links. Sure, there's always link bait - write great, useful, unique of its kind content and wait for the links to come, but... you'll stay waiting as they're not coming. Everyone buys links as this is the fastest and the most effective way to get to the top within 1-2 months time. So white hat, having said all this, is to buy naturally looking links and be a leader in your niche for tens or hundreds of keywords. Sorry to say this, but it's reality.

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Its not basically white hat. Buying links is clearly against terms and conditions...nothing white hat about it.

People often confuse low probability of being detected with hat color. Just because you don't get caught doing something doesn't mean you are allowed to do it.

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Msaeed

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

Sure! I don't do footer & hidden links, never buy links on pages with links to bad neighborhoods (sex, porn, viagra, etc.) always choose links based on relevancy, placed as higher on the pages as possible (often within the content) and I always check all the pages where I intend to buy links on manually - I open them one by one. It's time-consuming, but the results is worth it. This is my way. It ensures all links look as natural as possible, so it's basically white hat.

No, it's not white hat. It's basically black hat.

Saying that you buy links is being white hat shows how much you know in regards to SEO.

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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

Sure! I don't do footer & hidden links, never buy links on pages with links to bad neighborhoods (sex, porn, viagra, etc.) always choose links based on relevancy, placed as higher on the pages as possible (often within the content) and I always check all the pages where I intend to buy links on manually - I open them one by one. It's time-consuming, but the results is worth it. This is my way. It ensures all links look as natural as possible, so it's basically white hat.

Your advertising/promoting SAPE links, yet your saying your buying links. Are you saying your buying SAPE links from a 3rd party link provider?

Not a flame, just asking If the webmasters know about the links being placed on their pages?

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Lilacor

13 years ago

I have an account in Sape.ru for 3 years now, so I am not a reseller. I buy links from Sape directly for my clients' SEO campaigns. My personal site for Sape services is SAPE.RU Link Building Services (Russian Link Network) | SAPE.RU Network Solutions.

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Are you saying your buying SAPE links from a 3rd party link provider?

Looks like there's been some serious misunderstanding here. Here's some information in English about Sape.ru: What is Sape.ru? | SAPE.RU Network Solutions.

From what I am reading here in Warrior Forum I understand that everyone thinks that Sape is a link network that sells links on hacked sites. This is completely wrong and I will repeat it until people understand this. It's a normal market for selling and buying links where people register and but/ sell links voluntarily. There's no such thing as hacking other people's sites and placing the links on their pages without their knowledge. Everything is completely legit and everyone can register in Sape and start selling links on their websites or buy links for their projects.

Of course, there may be such cases, but they are an exception from the rule. But I can assure you that in the Sape's guidelines there's no such thing as promoting methods of placing links without the knowledge of their webmasters. I have been using this Russian network way before any of you have heard about it. I registered in it in 2010 and the first threads about Sape services on English forums started in 2012.

The majority of Sape providers don't know how to use the basic filters in Sape as they are a lot. If you don't know how to tune them you can end up buying lots of spammy, non-working links for your customers' projects. And then the chance of getting warnings for unnatural links and lose all your organic traffic and even to get deindexed by Google is almost 100%. I have read a lot of threads in BHW and even here from Sape providers that don't even use the mandatory tool that goes with Sape - CS Sape Master. And without this tool the filtering process is incomplete and the chance of purchasing lots of useless links is huge.

Did you know that CS Sape Master has been developed by Sape.ru creators? Did you know it allows SEO experts to filter the links they purchase based on 56 different criteria? No. You can't know this as the Sape providers here, in BHW and in all other English language forums don't know this. They know only the Wink plugin for Mozilla and most probably don't know how to tune it up properly. But this plugin alone can filter approximately 20 to 30% of all the bad links. And what about the rest 70-80%? Well, I will tell you what. Your sites will get them and become penalized as you have decided to trust Sape providers with 2-3 months of experience with this link network. They just want your money and don't care what their Sape techniques will do to your sites in long term. I don't do this as I know the hidden risks that Sape brings if not used properly. If you don't know how to use this system or trust inexperienced Sape providers this will be the same as if someone has spammed your website with hundreds of low-quality links in order to tank it.

So, my advice is to be careful whom you trust. I can get you a service which nobody else can. I haven't posted my own thread here or elsewhere as I have enough clients that have found me through my site, but I want to warn you of the risks that go with these amateur providers as I hate to see how Sape's name is being spitted upon.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

There's no such thing as hacking other people's sites and placing the links on their pages without their knowledge. Everything is completely legit and everyone can register in Sape and start selling links on their websites or buy links for their projects.

What a load of garbage. The association between SAPE and hacked sites is well known. Its one thing to say they are not all about that but to claim "everything is completely legit" is either bare face lying or straight up ignorance.

So, my advice is to be careful whom you trust. I can get you a service which nobody else can. I haven't posted my own thread here or elsewhere as I have enough clients that have found me through my site

You have placed links to your sites in other threads so the fibbing only continues.

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Hansons

13 years ago

I use tools for finding sites to build links it doesn't come under black hat technique, I think..

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

MJ style.

Black or white hat, white gloves, spins, moonwalk. Whatever wows the crowds - it rocks my world.

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13 years ago

My SEO style is bareback.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

I won't argue with you as everyone buys links. It's only important not to build them so that they look unnatural to Google. All other opinions are crap, no disrespect.

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Msaeed

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

I won't argue with you as everyone buys links. It's only important not to build them so that they look unnatural to Google. All other opinions are crap, no disrespect.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I have anything with buying links. All I'm saying is you can't say you are buying links the white hat way when buying links is not white hat. It's like me saying I eat a double cheeseburger the healthy way.

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13 years ago

I think that if you use Black Hat Seo, than with some google updates you will lost everything you have built in lots of time. So i suggest everyone to use White hat methods!

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rileyallard

13 years ago

We only prefer white hat seo. Create unique & quality content for your site, optimize meta tags, title tags etc. for on page optimization and for off page seo, submit website in quality sites with high page rank from you can get quality backlinks.

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SEODollz

13 years ago

Lilacor...

You and I talked, I think you are a good guy but I think also that you are barking up the wrong tree trying to sell these links here. WarriorForum is at it's dirtiest a grey hat forum; SAPE links are decidedly blackhat. There may be an audience for it here, we can't all be saints but then you should get a WSO and those folks will go to you if they like the price. You know these links are black hat right? So lets call it what it is.

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Lilacor

13 years ago

Dear Dolly,

I also think you're a nice person. My impression from our short acquaintance several days ago has been quite positive!

I haven't tried to promote my SAPE services here yet, but I can't deny that I have an intention to change that in the near future and see if there will be some interest in the service I provide. I try to stay informed about all the news around SAPE on the English forums and WF is one of the places where I found such threads so I decided to register here and share my opinion on these topics as there's a lot of misinformation concerning this Russian network. Of course, everyone has the right to have their own opinion on SAPE, but I try to interfere whenever I come across posts that give incorrect information on this network.

People deserve to know the truth about things. Yes, I know that sape.ru is considered a blackhat network, but not because it sells links on hacked sites as many of the users here claim, but because it sells links and this is against Google's TOS. Everybody should decide for himself whether to go against these guidelines or to obey them.

Internet is full of link selling services that work just great and that's why people use them, although they have always been forbidden by Google which claims they are non-working. But they work and webmasters use them no matter how dangerous they are. So SAPE is just another method for buying links - yes, it can be risky, yes, it is blackhat according to Google, but it works quite well for now if done properly.

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Lilacor...

You and I talked, I think you are a good guy but I think also that you are barking up the wrong tree trying to sell these links here. WarriorForum is at it's dirtiest a grey hat forum; SAPE links are decidedly blackhat. There may be an audience for it here, we can't all be saints but then you should get a WSO and those folks will go to you if they like the price. You know these links are black hat right? So lets call it what it is.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lilacor

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I haven't tried to promote my SAPE services here yet,

Thats all you have done in almost every post. You even link back to your own site within your post - you did it in this thread too

People deserve to know the truth about things. Yes, I know that sape.ru is considered a blackhat network, but not because it sells links on hacked sites as many of the users here claim, but because it sells links and this is against Google's TOS.

Yes Google does not like any bought link but it is pointless to claim Sape does not sell hacked links.

Some newbie who gotz backlinks and lives supposedly in Mehico

can vouch for you but no one else can bro

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13 years ago

Do quality SEO and you won't have to worry about White or Black Hat descriptions. Focus your time on building content, guest post blogging at relevant blogs, working on your Semantic Web Markup, developing your Google Authorship, and generally providing visitors to your site with value.

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13 years ago

I prefer using private blog networks, but if anyone is considering it, you need to be warned that google has been known to shut down networks in the past.

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SEODollz

13 years ago

@Lilacor I know that SAPE sells links on hacked sites because I saw it with my own two eyes. Short story...

One of my clients had a competitor come out of nowhere and knock him out of the top spot he's had for years. So I go looking ... hacked links on PBS, Discovery and Reuters blog. Hacked links injected into the code. hmmm I track down the SEO that the business is using, contact him, he doesn't know who I am. We strike up a friendship and hey guess who he recommends for links? SAPE. Uses them on all his jobs. Oh really...

So I start exploring this little network and this isn't just black hat this is pitch black blacker than black. Of course my new SEO buddy hasn't done his due diligence for his client and is just happy to be ranking. I contacted some of the hacked sites, got the links removed and the competitor drops into oblivion, the SEO gets fired and we all lived happily ever after. Again, I don't think you are a bad guy, I just think you are talking to the wrong set of people.

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infolicious

13 years ago

Grey hat..

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rickdangelo

13 years ago

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I'm basically an SEO reseller but I do conduct some optimization myself for very small clients and some friends. You could say I use white hat because I do not buy links from networks or spam forums just to get links. With Google's Panda and Penguin updates, it's now more difficult to spam just to get some link juice.
The private label SEO provider I use also is pure white hat and I noticed that majority of the sites we optimized weren't impacted by the updates at all. I used to like buying cheap articles online and spinning with software but when you start to deal with small, local businesses, you start to develop this drive to help them for the long haul and I don't see black hat as something that has lasting positive effects to a site's ranking.

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