Building a private blog network for link building

by gti7
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Hello all,

I am looking to build a private network of blogs to use for my own websites and client websites.

I know I need different IPs for each website and can take care of quality/relevant content as well as on-site optimization, but beyond that what would you guys recommend?

Thanks in advance!
#blog #building #link #network #private
  • Profile picture of the author qw3rty
    Originally Posted by gti7 View Post

    Hello all,

    I am looking to build a private network of blogs to use for my own websites and client websites.

    I know I need different IPs for each website and can take care of quality/relevant content as well as on-site optimization, but beyond that what would you guys recommend?

    Thanks in advance!
    Sounds like you have most of the bases covered, you just have to be careful with the outbound links to the sites you'll be helping too. That can turn suspect exposing your network.

    I've read a lot of people say that blog networks are dead, while others say they are still very helpful. I used to run a blog network back in the day when we didn't need to be careful and it worked great! Then one day everything was destroyed, the blog network and the websites that were connected all went down in a fiery ball.

    Never bothered to start over because of even the smallest negative news about them.

    I think though there could be a nice twist on the idea with what's going on in SEO today. Maybe instead of just the blog network you could also connect all the blogs to facebook accounts and have them post links on your pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author Snowclone
    I would take extra precautions as well, different hosting from different providers. Different themes, permalink structures, content lengths, post dates, post timing delays. You want as many differences in case you get someone looking over everything so you don't get your entire network deindexed. These setup precautions now can save you thousands down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daones
    If you do offer this as a service of posting other peoples articles, whatever you do make sure to utilize spun articles, do not offer reports, maybe some screenshots... You do not want the blogs to get hit. If people know about them, from providing reports or duplicate content that will happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author gti7
    Thanks for all the replies, I agree that I need to be very careful but here are my intended uses:

    -Different servers
    -Different designs
    -Unique content relevant to the industry (won't be selling article space)
    -Max 5 client links on each website
    -Outbound links will be in the form of image banners

    I'm currently thinking about creating a few websites in the home improvement/construction/plumbing category so I can link them to my plumbing clients.

    What link building strategies do you think would be best for the private network itself?
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    Two words. Mike Anthony.
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    • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Two words. Mike Anthony.
      I was gonna say this. LOL.

      Mike, admit it, you have "blog network", "private blog network", "seo network" on your alert.

      It's like Batman's signal to him.
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      • Profile picture of the author T-shirtman
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Two words. Mike Anthony.
        Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

        I was gonna say this. LOL.

        Mike, admit it, you have "blog network", "private blog network", "seo network" on your alert.

        It's like Batman's signal to him.
        Have you 2 took Mike's course?

        How much you looking at for a private blog network? Lets say to rank 5-10 of your own personal sites
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

        I was gonna say this. LOL.

        Mike, admit it, you have "blog network", "private blog network", "seo network" on your alert.

        It's like Batman's signal to him.
        Yo when did GGPaul become me? - this is my first post in this thread
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        • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Yo when did GGPaul become me? - this is my first post in this thread
          The second sentence was directed to you Mike. First sentence was for GGPaul.

          I was agreeing with Paul. Every thread that has "blog network" in it, you'll be there, sooner or later.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post


            I was agreeing with Paul.

            Aaaaah so you were recommending me? (since GG being a friend was recommending me not saying I am in every thread). Cool. carry on.

            Actually I have missed some though. About as many as I have of the fiverr is great for SEO threads and SenukeXcr is great for SEO threads - no I lie - I don't think I have missed any of those.
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    I am also thinking about starting my own blog network, do you recommend buying expired domains or domains that already have PR?
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    • Profile picture of the author WPMaker
      Originally Posted by azokaei View Post

      I am also thinking about starting my own blog network, do you recommend buying expired domains or domains that already have PR?
      Domains with PR can costs you some money (good PR4 domain would be about $100-$200). They work if you can use them correctly and can keep the PR of the site otherwise that would be just a waste of money. It's important to check the domain backlinks and build new one with anchors that you want to link to your main site with and also to maintain the domain PR. This way you build high pr relevant site network which will just work awesome for keyword rankings


      Important thing for private blog network sites is to build backlinks to those websites with anchors related to your main website topic - this way you get a powerfull link from your blog network website which is also from related topic website. This can work wonders if you do it right. Without links your private blog network wouldn't carry any power and would be useless. If you add to this different site designs, not making all of them typical blogs, different IP addresses and some whois protection so those websites will look like made by different people than

      Don't think it's rocket science because it's as simple as building some niche website. You just need to keep in mind those few things that make then powerful in terms of SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author eurekapsycrille
    I am running a private blog network for a long time now and I did not use different IPs or whatsoever. I just built them just like how I build normal sites.

    The thing that I just did is that I just provide what users want. Providing information to targeted audience, social media reach out, etc. And everything falls down to the right track.

    So from my experience, you don't need to use different IPs or hostings. If you just do what Google wants for every site, then you should be okay.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

      I am running a private blog network for a long time now and I did not use different IPs or whatsoever. I just built them just like how I build normal sites.

      The thing that I just did is that I just provide what users want. Providing information to targeted audience, social media reach out, etc. And everything falls down to the right track.

      So from my experience, you don't need to use different IPs or hostings. If you just do what Google wants for every site, then you should be okay.
      So your sites are interlinked on one hosting account?
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    • Profile picture of the author protonova
      Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

      So from my experience, you don't need to use different IPs or hostings. If you just do what Google wants for every site, then you should be okay.
      I'm assuming that you at least keep your blog network away from your money site hosting...?
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    • Profile picture of the author Haque
      The purpose of the PBN is to get high link value to your money site. So, unless you have different IPs, Google won't consider them as distinct links.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
          Originally Posted by mainak View Post

          Yes that is right..IP is a factor to google, but not for all time.
          If you build unique and valuable blogs that will surely give you value.
          SPAM ! both comments don't add any info to the thread .
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    I'd recommend trying to find old high pr domains for sale.

    Look up information on how to tell if it's a fake pr or not. This can get expensive, but if you have the money it's well worth it.

    It also depends on how many sites you're promoting, to be quiet honest sometimes at first it's easier to buy the use of other peoples private blog networks.

    But I'm guessing you want your own, so yeah, that's my advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author rjames
      no idea why more people don't build PR networks...it's by far the easiest and fastest way to rank a site...
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      • Profile picture of the author run
        Originally Posted by eurekapsycrille View Post

        I am running a private blog network for a long time now and I did not use different IPs or whatsoever. I just built them just like how I build normal sites.

        The thing that I just did is that I just provide what users want. Providing information to targeted audience, social media reach out, etc. And everything falls down to the right track.

        So from my experience, you don't need to use different IPs or hostings. If you just do what Google wants for every site, then you should be okay.
        It's interesting here, but I just gonna say you are hurting me now because I nearly forget my really bad story.
        It should be okay to have many blogs in just one hosting account that you own. But, the thing is, how do you use the link!

        Originally Posted by rjames View Post

        no idea why more people don't build PR networks...it's by far the easiest and fastest way to rank a site...
        That's good because we have less competitors
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by rjames View Post

        no idea why more people don't build PR networks...it's by far the easiest and fastest way to rank a site...
        It can get expensive, a decent domain easily costs $200,- and one is not enough.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          It can get expensive, a decent domain easily costs $200,- and one is not enough.

          Whats decent really depends on how it will be used. As a service provider I can certainly understand you paying that for quality but I have some people with just a handful of PR3s (or equivalent Mozrank and DA etc) that do well in some serps with less than that level of quality. Remember we are talking about for private rankings not a service. They are putting far less links than a service provider would on a page and there is no rolling off. So an effective network going for well researched keywords can be built for alot less
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  • Profile picture of the author Sanjaynair
    Hello everyone,

    One of my first posts here. Have been reading so much quality information here that it makes you feel ignorant about everything WWW.

    I am just about to try and build a personal blog network for a few of my personal sites.

    There is one thing that confuses me though. Even though the subject has been done to death, I keep reading conflicting information every now and then.

    Should I opt for unique Class C Ips (SEO hosting) or is it better if I used cheap shared hosting with multiple hosts? Leaves less of a footprint that way?

    I have found an affordable SEO hosting package with 20 class C Ips and a monthly billing pattern. I am yet to find 20 different web hosts if it all I decide to go with the second option.

    Appreciate the help.

    Thanks,
    Sanjay
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  • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
    Hi warriors
    I have recently started to have a look about PBN and yes it seems the best way to build links to your money sites . (does anyone recommend any other types of quality build linkings ? )
    So I'm in between , starting your own or joining others PBN.

    I have done some research and read some posts and listen some podcasts. (if you want I can share all the sources, I haven't done because the post is already huge) This is the tips that I have gathered and I would like to share them to know your opinion. So here it goes

    If you start your own PBN for the first time , let's say with 10 websites . So you can make really focus on the first 10 before you scale it and outsource it etc

    So…

    - You dedicate time to learn how to find aged expired domains with at least PR 3 . I say dedicate time so you define your own metrics, like link profile, MOZ trust , PA (Page Authority)and DA (domain authority) in order to avoid buying sites with spammy links, and hopefully you can find 10 aged expired domains PR3 under register price ($10) . (Do you know any tools to automate or make it faster to go through big lists of expired domains ?) Or if you don't want to put the time you find people that sell them for maybe $60 per site.But once again then you should verify each site to be sure that you are not buying a spammy site,deindex, with an inflated PR.

    - You register the domains under different names and in some of them you use who.is protection. but not in all them so it doesn't sound suspicious .

    - You host them at different hosting providers, or you do it in the same host but be sure to use different IP's . Post #39 in this blackhatworld thread shows a nice and cheap way to do it with hostnine (no, it's not my post)

    - Once all is ready to start. You install wordpress (or any other sw that has some kind of tool that allows you to manage all of your domains from one single place to make it easier and faster, like ManageWp software …never used it but it seems widely used . Per 10 sites is $21 per month )

    - For each wordpres/site you use different wordpress themes and maybe connect a google+ author different for each ?

    - Let's say you use wordpress, than you install a 404 redirect plugin so you get the juice of all the backlinks for your purchased expired aged domains PR3 with , let's say, 2 figures back links.

    - Now you are ready to blog. You start to publish nice quality content, 800 words from different writers across the different sites. In this articles you place 3 articles . These 3 articles should go to authority niche site from your niche or wikipedia but not to any money site. And you post maybe 2 articles per site per month ?

    - You will never interlink between this 10 sites. And you will never build links to any of this expired domains since they already have a good backlink profile. Do you agree ? No ? So you will build links and put in jeopardy your network ?

    - Once you have 3 or 4 articles in each site you start yo publish related articles to point links to your money site. Let's say per article you do 1 link to your money site and the other 2 to authority sites from your niche (wikipedia,new york times,etc)

    - You organize your tasks and start to get more sites and start all over again.

    - Then you can start to think of outsource it.

    - You will use it only to your money sites . If you decide to sell links you should considered it very well as you have a very good asset that you don't want to "destroy it" for some couple of hundred dollars

    This are the steps that I found most valuable and important to consider before you start.

    Now comes the math . From what all the above my calculations :

    $100 for the 10 sites if you find them and not buying from others.

    If you go with hostnine like explained in the #39 comment of the thread I included above you have to $25 for hosting (reseller account) with different Ip's . And it seems more than enough for 10 sites


    If you add 2 articles (800 words) per month per article 2 * $16 (what costs me 800 words, maybe you have it cheaper) * 10 = $320 monthly

    Initial investment $100 for 10 PR3 sites

    Monthly: Hosting plus articles total of $345 (Manually or Plus $21 if you use ManageWP )

    Hopefully after 3, 4 months ? since you first have to set up and add content to your network you start to see the results on your money site

    The alternative Private Blog Network.

    I just know Fightback networks , it seems to be working for some people (do you have an opinion about it ? ) . So you join the network. If you go to the Basic package you have to pay $19 and submit up to 10 sites. PBN policy, in order to get links from PR 3 you have to add sites with the same PR . So considering this example we talking about PR3 sites. You need to get 10 sites publish at least 3 pieces of good quality content and "offer" them to the network. they will be filled with content that you don't control (theoretically they have people to review them) .

    You get your sites approved by the network and that's it , you site are there they will start to received content and you have "lost" them but you don't have to bother with paying and publishing content. What do you get in exchange ? You get 600 links (I'm not really sure and their webiste/pricing/ is down (bad feeling) or something like that to use to link to your money site. So you publish articles in the PR 3 blogs of the network with your links to your money sites. I think you can max insert 3 links per post , so you have to publish a lot of content to have the 600 links that you can have.

    This post is getting huge, so finally here goes my question.

    For a guy like me that have now problems to rank after all the EMD , Panda, Penguin, whatever update I'm looking for an option. I'm still using 3waylinks but their links are loosing juice (apparently) and yes I know that it sucks and it's not the best out there, but that's out worked for me until last year and I'm stuck in finding another option ..that's when I start to dig about PBN.

    So I need an option. Since I have never joined or built a PBN should I first join this fightbacknetwork (or any other that you recommend) or start to create my own PBN take it easy and don't get crazy if money is only going out and not coming in but think that in 3 or 4 months I can have some nice quality links to my money sites ?

    Thanks for reading this , hope it helped some warriors out there and hope that it made other furious so I can listen to all your arguments
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  • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
    is this thread dead or post not interesting enough for some replies? should I publish it on another thread ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    If you go with hostnine like explained in the #39 comment of the thread I included above you have to $25 for hosting (reseller account) with different Ip's . And it seems more than enough for 10 sites
    I've been looking at them but have some questions in case anyone is using them. First whats the experience? I have been reading some very bad things about them uptime wise but not everyone has the complaint. second what about nameservers or other footprints. okay so different Ips but are the nameservers all the same? i see they have like five locations but do you end up on the same box? If so you are still on just fiver servers.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I've been looking at them but have some questions in case anyone is using them. First whats the experience? I have been reading some very bad things about them uptime wise but not everyone has the complaint. second what about nameservers or other footprints. okay so different Ips but are the nameservers all the same? i see they have like five locations but do you end up on the same box? If so you are still on just fiver servers.
      HostNine does allow for private name servers.

      Ideastack doesn't, they block access to your websites when you do (*******s)

      Haven't experienced any down times though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        HostNine does allow for private name servers.

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        I figured they would but what I meant is do they map to the same nameservers (same nameserver IP address for example).
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        • Profile picture of the author akyyyy
          would it matter if all the domains were all in 1 godaddy account. not talking about hosting, just where the domain will be registered.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
            Originally Posted by akyyyy View Post

            would it matter if all the domains were all in 1 godaddy account. not talking about hosting, just where the domain will be registered.
            Hi Akyyyy,

            That's not really the problem. The problem is , would it matter to have all my domains register under the same name ?
            If you have all your domains under the same name (eg Matt Cutts )and don't have a who.is protection, it's easy to find that all the domains belong to the same person .
            To solve this you can add who.is protection to all ...but then you would have all your sites with privacy protection, that can sound strange ...
            so mmm we can start getting paranoid here .. from what I have read I would say and do the following:
            - Diversify the names you use to register your domains (in my big comment I have shared a link to a thread where they explain how to do it)
            - For some of your domains add who.is privacy and others just leave it public.

            This would be the best (or at least what I have found the best among all the things I've read).

            Now, would this be too much ? or just add privacy to all of them is enough ?
            Let me know your warriors opinions.
            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author syncon
              how is having whois prot. strange?
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              • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
                Originally Posted by syncon View Post

                how is having whois prot. strange?
                Hi . That's why I mention that maybe is too much paranoia ...but if eventually if there is a PBN suspicious and a manual revision it could sound weird that all the sites are under whois prot ..specially if you have all of of them in the same hosting and all of them share the same nameserver ... so all are whois protected and all of them have the same namerservers..

                Makes sense or is going to crazy ?

                Thanks
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                • Profile picture of the author syncon
                  Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

                  Hi . That's why I mention that maybe is too much paranoia ...but if eventually if there is a PBN suspicious and a manual revision it could sound weird that all the sites are under whois prot ..specially if you have all of of them in the same hosting and all of them share the same nameserver ... so all are whois protected and all of them have the same namerservers..

                  Makes sense or is going to crazy ?

                  Thanks
                  i am paranoid too, so i see your point, but i think the whois is OK...it's a pretty common thing and you have big registrars offering for free, so, that's the one thing i don't worry about
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by syncon View Post

                    i am paranoid too, so i see your point, but i think the whois is OK...it's a pretty common thing and you have big registrars offering for free,
                    its perfectly fine. As someone who has had a few domains not protected i can tell you the biggest reason to use it is NOT because you are running a network - its because you are required by your registration agreement to give accurate information (at peril of losing the domain) and if you do no protect it you will get both spam and unsolicited phone calls from marketers.

                    Build solid sites with good content and low OBL and reviewer will never go to search for anything else.
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            • Profile picture of the author akyyyy
              Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

              Hi Akyyyy,

              That's not really the problem. The problem is , would it matter to have all my domains register under the same name ?
              If you have all your domains under the same name (eg Matt Cutts )and don't have a who.is protection, it's easy to find that all the domains belong to the same person .
              To solve this you can add who.is protection to all ...but then you would have all your sites with privacy protection, that can sound strange ...
              so mmm we can start getting paranoid here .. from what I have read I would say and do the following:
              - Diversify the names you use to register your domains (in my big comment I have shared a link to a thread where they explain how to do it)
              - For some of your domains add who.is privacy and others just leave it public.

              This would be the best (or at least what I have found the best among all the things I've read).

              Now, would this be too much ? or just add privacy to all of them is enough ?
              Let me know your warriors opinions.
              Thanks
              thanks for the response Ted,

              So if i win an auction a godaddy auctions, will that automatically be registered under my GDA account? or do i have an opportunity to change the name for that specific domain. I could just use who.is on all domains like you said, but i would like to just use different/fake names if at all possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
      I have never used hostnine so I can't give an opinion.
      Regarding nameservers footprint ...I think that even you use hostnine and get a different ip per site you will always have the same nameserver. a workaround is to host the different sites in different hosters. You can do it , one site per host or get a group of sites in one host, another group in another host etc
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  • Profile picture of the author nysportsworld
    start with pr0 and build links to your post and inner pages and save money imo
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by gti7 View Post

    Hello all,

    I am looking to build a private network of blogs to use for my own websites and client websites.

    I know I need different IPs for each website and can take care of quality/relevant content as well as on-site optimization, but beyond that what would you guys recommend?

    Thanks in advance!
    I guess you are missing one highly relevant thing...

    There are tons of fake PR out there than good ones.

    If you want to see result then you need to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      I guess you are missing one highly relevant thing...

      There are tons of fake PR out there than good ones.

      If you want to see result then you need to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff.
      That's a good point. After you have found one(or more) domain that fits your metrics, you will have to go through the profile links.
      Insert the url in majesticseo, opensiteexplorer or ahrefs (register for free and you can use up to some searches per day) .
      This companies crawl zones of the internet ... so it's highly possible that they all show different results as they use their own indexes ...some people prefer majestic, others ahrefs etc ...pick one and let's go

      - Go to the backlinks tab and se the first 5 links. These are the most important links (that majestic or opensiteexplorer) consider that brings more juice link for the site.
      - Click in each of the 5 links and see if they are alive where they point and what is the PR of the pages that they are linking to. This links must have a good quality ..so they should be related to the site content or high PR , or both .
      - In majestic you can also see the citation and trust of the links. This params, in short, tell you if this links are "good" in terms of quality ...if they are "trusted" links.

      In a very short explanation this is how you should look into the backlink profile of a site. Remember that the links profile is all the votes that a site has, thus the reason why it has such a PR . See this votes to figure out if they are valid and trusted , and not some fake votes that soon will lose their power and consequently the site will loose it PR.

      One more thing but still very important. Some people are selling domains with fake PR using a redirect to inflate PR . So if you have site A with PR5 and you have another site B (that you want to flip and sell it ) with PR 0. You redirect site A to B and B will get the PR of site A ...so B have now a PR5 . They sell it for a price of PR 5 and once it's sold they take the redirect and you just bought a PR 0 site for a price of PR 5 price .
      - To make sure this is not happening use Fake Pr Checker (RankChecker - Check Fake PageRank (PR), Alexa, and SEO Details, not affiliate link)

      Hope you find it useful.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

        In a very short explanation this is how you should look into the backlink profile of a site.
        No....... sorry Ted....that is not how you look up the backlink profile. You get SEO spyglass or Inspyder's backlink monitor (with an ahrefs api key) or some other backlink checker. You do not go off of the top five in opensite explorer (the worst of the lot ) or majestic SEO You check all the links - Majestic can list links that ae no longer there and opensite explorer misses tons of links

        - To make sure this is not happening use Fake Pr Checker (RankChecker - Check Fake PageRank (PR), Alexa, and SEO Details, not affiliate link)
        None of those online tools can be trusted. They are often fooled themselves. The best way to check that is to do a site:domain.com and info:domain.com search on google

        Also though it is conventional to call them "faked" A lot of these sites are not really being faked. they just were sites that used redirects, some for perfectly legit reasons.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          None of those online tools can be trusted. They are often fooled themselves. The best way to check that is to do a site:domain.com and info:domain.com search on google
          Even doing a info:domain can return misleading info. Really depends when the info: search is being done, before the webmaster removes the redirect or after the redirect was removed & If Google has updated the SERPs/info: data yet.

          I would still do a info: search just to see what Google returns, plus it only takes a min. to do the search. In the end the only thing that matters is proving the domain has established legit links that you think will stick after the sale & worthy of the domain asking price.

          Agreed about online tools.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          No....... sorry Ted....that is not how you look up the backlink profile. You get SEO spyglass or Inspyder's backlink monitor (with an ahrefs api key) or some other backlink checker. You do not go off of the top five in opensite explorer (the worst of the lot ) or majestic SEO You check all the links - Majestic can list links that ae no longer there and opensite explorer misses tons of links

          None of those online tools can be trusted. They are often fooled themselves. The best way to check that is to do a site:domain.com and info:domain.com search on google

          Also though it is conventional to call them "faked" A lot of these sites are not really being faked. they just were sites that used redirects, some for perfectly legit reasons.
          Hi Mike . Thanks for your opinion. So you recommend to use this sw so you can check all the backlinks ? Or those these sw add more info regarding the links ?

          Ok . Thanks for that
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    It looks that Google busted some private blog networks. Does anybody know which ones still works or what would you use instead?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeadStartSEO
    Only add domains to your PBN that meet the following criteria:

    If a domain meets all of the above, add it to your network.

    For domains in your network, keep them fresh and clean using the following criteria:
    • 2/3 of your domains should have WhoIs privacy enabled
    • 1/3 of your domains should be registered with different names at the registrar
    • Host some domains on SEOhosting.com and some on small, cheap hosts (there is no "best" option; both are sufficient)
    • Add believable About Us, Contact, Disclaimer, and Privacy Policy pages
    • Custom header graphic to match the site's theme ($5 on Fiverr)
    • Under 10 external links on homepage
    • No Adsense, Amazon, Clickbank, GA, Addthis - Anything with a common footprint

    Once you have these domains up and running, you'll want to add some content. Use this checklist to make sure your content flies under Google's radar:
    • Articles should be 400+ words
    • Pass Copyscape >80% unique
    • <5 links, with one link pointing to a relevant authority
    • Minimum of 3 articles on the new site before adding links to money sites
    • For every 1 article linking to a money site, add 2 fluff articles
    • Placement of Links: links should be placed within the content area, surrounded by content when possible. Some examples would be actual links, citations, images.
    • Most important: the content should be congruent to the site's theme before it expired. You have some wiggle room, but the closer the theme and categories, the better.

    When all that's done, closely monitor the uptime and indexation status of your domains and your articles.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
      Originally Posted by HeadStartSEO View Post

      Only add domains to your PBN that meet the following criteria:

      If a domain meets all of the above, add it to your network.

      For domains in your network, keep them fresh and clean using the following criteria:
      • 2/3 of your domains should have WhoIs privacy enabled
      • 1/3 of your domains should be registered with different names at the registrar
      • Host some domains on SEOhosting.com and some on small, cheap hosts (there is no "best" option; both are sufficient)
      • Add believable About Us, Contact, Disclaimer, and Privacy Policy pages
      • Custom header graphic to match the site's theme ($5 on Fiverr)
      • Under 10 external links on homepage
      • No Adsense, Amazon, Clickbank, GA, Addthis - Anything with a common footprint

      Once you have these domains up and running, you'll want to add some content. Use this checklist to make sure your content flies under Google's radar:
      • Articles should be 400+ words
      • Pass Copyscape >80% unique
      • <5 links, with one link pointing to a relevant authority
      • Minimum of 3 articles on the new site before adding links to money sites
      • For every 1 article linking to a money site, add 2 fluff articles
      • Placement of Links: links should be placed within the content area, surrounded by content when possible. Some examples would be actual links, citations, images.
      • Most important: the content should be congruent to the site's theme before it expired. You have some wiggle room, but the closer the theme and categories, the better.

      When all that's done, closely monitor the uptime and indexation status of your domains and your articles.

      Good luck.
      Thanks for your post
      I may have missed something but how do you calculate the supposed PR ? You put the number of links per PR and then ?
      Thanks !
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

        Thanks for your post
        I may have missed something but how do you calculate the supposed PR ? You put the number of links per PR and then ?
        Thanks !

        You cannot calculate it. That chart is complete BS that has been passed around for years.

        I'm not going to give a whole math lesson here, but PR is calculated on a logarithmic scale, and it is not just whole numbers. All Google shows us is the whole numbers. However, a PR 4, might actually be a PR 4.6543.

        Depending on the scale being used, a PR 4.6543 might have way, way more juice than a PR 4.1285. It could even be twice as powerful, even though they are both technically PR 4's.

        And that is why that chart is complete garbage.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You cannot calculate it. That chart is complete BS that has been passed around for years.

          I'm not going to give a whole math lesson here, but PR is calculated on a logarithmic scale, and it is not just whole numbers. All Google shows us is the whole numbers. However, a PR 4, might actually be a PR 4.6543.

          Depending on the scale being used, a PR 4.6543 might have way, way more juice than a PR 4.1285. It could even be twice as powerful, even though they are both technically PR 4's.

          And that is why that chart is complete garbage.
          Ok . So if you are looking at some expired domain backlinks profile how can you try to guess the PR that the domain will get once you add some content ?
          Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author jackkarter
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You cannot calculate it. That chart is complete BS that has been passed around for years.

          I'm not going to give a whole math lesson here, but PR is calculated on a logarithmic scale, and it is not just whole numbers. All Google shows us is the whole numbers. However, a PR 4, might actually be a PR 4.6543.

          Depending on the scale being used, a PR 4.6543 might have way, way more juice than a PR 4.1285. It could even be twice as powerful, even though they are both technically PR 4's.

          And that is why that chart is complete garbage.
          As a very rough guide...
          1 x PR7 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR5.
          1 x PR6 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR4.
          3 x PR5 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR4.
          1 x PR5 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR3.
          1 x PR4 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.
          3 x PR3 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.
          20 x PR2 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.

          Remember, PR is just a rough guide. A PR5 from a site in the same niche is a much more powerful ranking factor then a PR5 from a different niche, then you need to factor in age, authority etc. but the above guide will give you a ball park idea.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by jackkarter View Post

            As a very rough guide...
            1 x PR7 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR5.
            1 x PR6 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR4.
            3 x PR5 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR4.
            1 x PR5 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR3.
            1 x PR4 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.
            3 x PR3 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.
            20 x PR2 dofollow backlink will almost certainly give you an automatic PR2.

            Remember, PR is just a rough guide. A PR5 from a site in the same niche is a much more powerful ranking factor then a PR5 from a different niche, then you need to factor in age, authority etc. but the above guide will give you a ball park idea.
            A PR7 link will give you PR n/a
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              A PR7 link will give you PR n/a
              Hardly.

              But I do not agree that a PR 7 link will automatically give you a PR 5. What if there are 1200 outgoing backlinks on that PR 7 page?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by HeadStartSEO View Post

      Only add domains to your PBN that meet the following criteria:
      [LIST][*]At least 3 years old (whois.domaintools.com)[*]Less than 3 registrar drops (whois.domaintools.com)[*]Never owned by an SEO, never parked (web.archive.org)[*]Root domain mozTrust > 3 (Open Site Explorer)[*]Followed linking root domains > 7 (Open Site Explorer)
      The bottom half of your list is okay but the first half above is off. EDIT:THIS REFERS ONLY TO YOUR BUYING CRITERIA. I will deal with your setup recommendations in another post.

      Age has little to do with the ability of a site to pass juice. 3 years is just a made up age. It has nothing special to it. If a company started up, did well and got backlinks from great sites, and then closed down after a year and a half thats a perfectly good domain to buy. Shucks theres zero evidence anywhere that a one day old domain doe not pass PR.

      Drops? Over rated. Used to believe in it but dropped domains are just expired domains no one bid on. Put em back in action and they do fine. Too many and they are more likely to have been in the hands of a spammer but thats subject to further examination

      Owned by a SEO? perhaps but how would you know? Still indexed? then I don't give a rip as long as the links are in place.

      Moztrust? eh maybe - but right now prefer trustflow.

      linking root domain? I have a PR6 I paid $300 for with only two links worth much. Researched the referring domain and saw that they almost never update their site. The links and the PR 6 are now coming up two years holding fine. Analyzing when, where and why a link will stay in place is huge but 7 referring domains is no cut off point.

      the rest in your list looks good.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        You forgot the SEO hosting he recommended too. That is a huge no-no.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You forgot the SEO hosting he recommended too. That is a huge no-no.
          Which hosting you are talking about ?
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

            Which hosting you are talking about ?
            Any that offer 'SEO hosting'. I would never touch any of them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Any that offer 'SEO hosting'. I would never touch any of them.
              Ah yeah I agree with you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nicholas H
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Any that offer 'SEO hosting'. I would never touch any of them.
              Why? I use "SEO Hosting", and have no problems with It.

              Simple C change Is all, so It's not all coming from the same IP. My blog networks do fine on these hosts.
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              • Profile picture of the author danparks
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Any that offer 'SEO hosting'. I would never touch any of them.
                Originally Posted by Nicholas H View Post

                Why? I use "SEO Hosting", and have no problems with It.

                Simple C change Is all, so It's not all coming from the same IP. My blog networks do fine on these hosts.
                Well I don't normally like to speak for other people, but Mike probably is referring to hosts that really make it obvious that their hosting services are for SEO. A host might have some blurb of text on their home page that says that their services "are ideal for SEO purposes," and maybe that's just marketing and not so bad. But there are some hosts that make it amazingly plain for Google to see what they're up to. Example. The hosting biz seohost has name servers like nsXXX.seohost.com. Hmmmm, I wonder what people that host on such a server are doing?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by Nicholas H View Post

                Why? I use "SEO Hosting", and have no problems with It.

                Simple C change Is all, so It's not all coming from the same IP. My blog networks do fine on these hosts.
                The main reason people go to "SEO Hosts" is to host a network for the purpose of gaming Google's algorithm. They offer multiple IP addresses on the same account at a competitive price.

                Do you really think Google does not know that? It makes every site on one of that hosts IP's a target.

                I have only ever had 2 sites deindexed by Google. That was about 2 years ago around the time they started their rampage on networks. Both of those sites were hosted with an SEO host. When I went and checked all the other sites hosted on the same IP addresses, I found over 80% of the domains had been deindexed.

                Coincidence? No. It was pretty obvious that Google had gotten a hold of the IP addresses and took a look at each of the sites on the IP addresses. I spot checked the sites that were deindexed. They all looked like a network site without even digging into them.

                I have never used an SEO host again, and never will.

                It doesn't mean anything will happen to your sites using an SEO host, but you are making them a bigger target by using one.
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                • Profile picture of the author Nicholas H
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  The main reason people go to "SEO Hosts" is to host a network for the purpose of gaming Google's algorithm. They offer multiple IP addresses on the same account at a competitive price.

                  Do you really think Google does not know that? It makes every site on one of that hosts IP's a target.

                  I have only ever had 2 sites deindexed by Google. That was about 2 years ago around the time they started their rampage on networks. Both of those sites were hosted with an SEO host. When I went and checked all the other sites hosted on the same IP addresses, I found over 80% of the domains had been deindexed.

                  Coincidence? No. It was pretty obvious that Google had gotten a hold of the IP addresses and took a look at each of the sites on the IP addresses. I spot checked the sites that were deindexed. They all looked like a network site without even digging into them.

                  I have never used an SEO host again, and never will.

                  It doesn't mean anything will happen to your sites using an SEO host, but you are making them a bigger target by using one.
                  Thanks for the Insight. I guess It Is a bit high risk, but I have had a blog network up on "SEO hosting" for about 1 1/2+ years now and no problems, and have setup about 10 networks In the past 5-6 months. Mind you I only host 2 sites with different C classes per IP, maybe 3 at tops, but other than that I change IP's every couple C changes so I don't put all my eggs In one basket.


                  I still do occasionally get sites de-Indexed, but not very often. When they do though, a new domain just fills In their place.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
                    Originally Posted by Nicholas H View Post

                    I still do occasionally get sites de-Indexed, but not very often. When they do though, a new domain just fills In their place.
                    Maybe that's your answer. You get occasional de-indexing of blogs. Mike get only 2 deindexed sites in the past 2 years.

                    I feel that if you truly wants to have a robust network, you can start off with SEO Hosting. But as you get more income, it's better to move away from SEO Hosting.

                    Make all your sites work as though they are independent sites, which means even to the point of different hosting.

                    You see, just pay $12 for a yearly hosting, put 1-2 sites there and you don't have to bother with the hosting for the year. Have the kept information in a spreadsheet for reference. It's not difficult at all.

                    I currently hosting most of my sites with HostNine. It's more diversed than SEO Hosting because of different Class A IP addresses. Even then, I don't feel safe. So do you think SEO Hosting of mainly Class C is safe?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Nicholas H
                      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                      Maybe that's your answer. You get occasional de-indexing of blogs. Mike get only 2 deindexed sites in the past 2 years.

                      I feel that if you truly wants to have a robust network, you can start off with SEO Hosting. But as you get more income, it's better to move away from SEO Hosting.

                      Make all your sites work as though they are independent sites, which means even to the point of different hosting.

                      You see, just pay $12 for a yearly hosting, put 1-2 sites there and you don't have to bother with the hosting for the year. Have the kept information in a spreadsheet for reference. It's not difficult at all.

                      I currently hosting most of my sites with HostNine. It's more diversed than SEO Hosting because of different Class A IP addresses. Even then, I don't feel safe. So do you think SEO Hosting of mainly Class C is safe?

                      My hosting Is a bit more expensive than that sadly

                      I get what you're saying, and I have Implemented It In some of my networks (different hosts, Independent). I (sadly) just like to go the quicker/easier route, even If It means extra cost. I have had a pretty good system going these past few years, and I feel If I change It up too much It will mess me up. Also considering many of my host plans are already paid a year In advance, getting a bunch of new hosts right now seems like a waste. Also considering I have 150+ sites up right now, It would be a pain to switch them right now as Is.

                      Don't get me wrong, I adapt just fine when lets say a Google update comes out, but until then I focus on what Is working for me.

                      For your question, I have had no troubles with Class C hosting, but like I said I don't host more than a couple sites to each IP. Don't put all your eggs In one basket.
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                    • Profile picture of the author danparks
                      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                      Make all your sites work as though they are independent sites, which means even to the point of different hosting.

                      You see, just pay $12 for a yearly hosting, put 1-2 sites there and you don't have to bother with the hosting for the year. Have the kept information in a spreadsheet for reference. It's not difficult at all.
                      Yup. I've got hundreds of sites hosted on all sorts of hosting services. Many are $12/year hosting. It's not that hard to find cheap hosts. If it was a money site, then I would spend time and effort investigating a host and be willing to pay more for hosting that I was convinced was great. But for PR network sites? Forget it. Spend a little time searching around for cheap hosting, try to find some valid reviews (get past the many fake reviews most hosts have out there), and go for it. And then just keep all the info in one spreadsheet as Joseph said. It's not really that hard to do, and if you're a business and making money from SEO, then the fairly inexpensive cost of hosting each PR network site is easily covered by what you charge your clients.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You forgot the SEO hosting he recommended too. That is a huge no-no.
          Mike thanks for posting that... I should have clarified that I was only referring to his criteria for buying. I will correct that because its misleading.
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      • Profile picture of the author danparks
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Shucks theres zero evidence anywhere that a one day old domain doe not pass PR.
        That's what I think too. Google is constantly updating their *internal* PR of pages. If a new domain comes into existence, gets many great, relevant backlinks to it quickly, why would Google's algorithm discount it? If a site was 2 months old, and it had dozens of PR3 - PR5 backlinks from established, high PR, authority sites, would you not love to get a backlink from that site? Would you say "no, too new of a site, I don't want that backlink." ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by HeadStartSEO View Post

      [*]2/3 of your domains should have WhoIs privacy enabled
      Eh.... nah sorry that number is just pulled out of nowhere.


      [*]1/3 of your domains should be registered with different names at the registrar
      DANGER! This is very bad advice to leave out there hanging. Giving false information to your registrar is grounds for losing the domains. This is an ICANN rule that you agree to when you buy a domain name. Do people skirt it? Sure but you do so at your own peril


      [*]Host some domains on SEOhosting.com and some on small, cheap hosts (there is no "best" option; both are sufficient)
      Again very bad advice. SEO hosting has been known to get sites deindexed. Once Google determines a SEO Host's servers they can make a very fair and near certain guess that every domain on those boxes are suspect. After all the overwhelming meaning of SEO hosting is "blog network hosting"

      Gathering a bunch of blog networks under one seo host is like gathering in one house during a bomber run with the words "drop the bomb here" on the roof.


      [*]Add believable About Us, Contact, Disclaimer, and Privacy Policy pages
      Nope.... natural blogs abound all over the network without a "a privacy policy". Have you actually setup a blog network or are you just drawing from some list you read somewhere?


      [*]Under 10 external links on homepage[*]No Adsense, Amazon, Clickbank, GA, Addthis - Anything with a common footprint[*]Articles should be 400+ words
      Thats solid advice.

      [*]Pass Copyscape >80% unique
      You just blew up everything you are trying to do. Thats a clear indication you are talking about spinning content on your sites Crappy/spun content with links in them is the number one footprint that gets domains deindexed.


      [*]<5 links, with one link pointing to a relevant authority[*]Minimum of 3 articles on the new site before adding links to money sites[*]For every 1 article linking to a money site, add 2 fluff articles[*]Placement of Links: links should be placed within the content area, surrounded by content when possible. Some examples would be actual links, citations, images.[*]Most important: the content should be congruent to the site's theme before it expired. You have some wiggle room, but the closer the theme and categories, the better.[/LIST]
      only the fourth recommendation in that list has any substance. the numbers in particular are just pulled out of imagination.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Eh.... nah sorry that number is just pulled out of nowhere.




        DANGER! This is very bad advice to leave out there hanging. Giving false information to your registrar is grounds for losing the domains. This is an ICANN rule that you agree to when you buy a domain name. Do people skirt it? Sure but you do so at your own peril




        Again very bad advice. SEO hosting has been known to get sites deindexed. Once Google determines a SEO Host's servers they can make a very fair and near certain guess that every domain on those boxes are suspect. After all the overwhelming meaning of SEO hosting is "blog network hosting"

        Gathering a bunch of blog networks under one seo host is like gathering in one house during a bomber run with the words "drop the bomb here" on the roof.




        Nope.... natural blogs abound all over the network without a "a privacy policy". Have you actually setup a blog network or are you just drawing from some list you read somewhere?




        Thats solid advice.



        You just blew up everything you are trying to do. Thats a clear indication you are talking about spinning content on your sites Crappy/spun content with links in them is the number one footprint that gets domains deindexed.




        only the fourth recommendation in that list has any substance. the numbers in particular are just pulled out of imagination.

        Considering that you host 50 sites on , for example, hostnine and you get 50 different ip's ..you pay monthly $25 . Would you say that's better/safer to host all of them in different servers ? like $1 to $2.50 simple servers accounts that only allow 1 website ? Because the 2nd option is more expensive that's why I'm asking . Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

          Considering that you host 50 sites on , for example, hostnine and you get 50 different ip's ..you pay monthly $25 . Would you say that's better/safer to host all of them in different servers ? like $1 to $2.50 simple servers accounts that only allow 1 website ? Because the 2nd option is more expensive that's why I'm asking . Thanks
          As many hosting providers on here like to remind people separate IPs alone do not hide that the sites are all hosted on the same server. From what I see of hostnine you can only be assured of four or five different locations. I don't use them. I use separate hosts. I guess if you wait between setups then you would end up on different boxes but in fact you might end up with multiple sites on the same box with hostnine.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            As many hosting providers on here like to remind people separate IPs alone do not hide that the sites are all hosted on the same server. From what I see of hostnine you can only be assured of four or five different locations. I don't use them. I use separate hosts. I guess if you wait between setups then you would end up on different boxes but in fact you might end up with multiple sites on the same box with hostnine.
            From what I have seen , videos about how to set up hostnine and get different ips, you can choose from 3 data centers in US. So you can rotate between them and if you wait some time (24hrs) between each site you add you will get a new ip (instead of adding 5 domains in bulk). But yes you still have the same nameserver for all of them. The thing is the price ..within hostnine (or similars) for $25 you can have 100 sites ...going for cheap hosters you can get $1 per each ... so for 100 sites you had to pay $100 ..so it's $75 more expensive .. So you think it's worth to spend that extra money ? Thanks for your opinion
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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
              Originally Posted by Ted Mayer View Post

              From what I have seen , videos about how to set up hostnine and get different ips, you can choose from 3 data centers in US. So you can rotate between them and if you wait some time (24hrs) between each site you add you will get a new ip (instead of adding 5 domains in bulk). But yes you still have the same nameserver for all of them. The thing is the price ..within hostnine (or similars) for $25 you can have 100 sites ...going for cheap hosters you can get $1 per each ... so for 100 sites you had to pay $100 ..so it's $75 more expensive .. So you think it's worth to spend that extra money ? Thanks for your opinion
              My answer is: have a mix. You can host with Hostnine and with other companies. That should spread your hosting portfolio.

              I'm currently trying to have my high PR/authority sites to be hosted in those $1 hosting account and have my lower PR sites hosted in HostNine. Only $12 ($1/mth paid yearly) to host a high PR site on a different host company, worth every cent.

              Maybe that's the route that you should take.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                I'm currently trying to have my high PR/authority sites to be hosted in those $1 hosting account and have my lower PR sites hosted in HostNine. Only $12 ($1/mth paid yearly) to host a high PR site on a different host company, worth every cent.

                Maybe that's the route that you should take.

                Sounds balanced to me. Good suggestion.
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              • Profile picture of the author Oggyoi
                Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

                My answer is: have a mix. You can host with Hostnine and with other companies. That should spread your hosting portfolio.

                I'm currently trying to have my high PR/authority sites to be hosted in those $1 hosting account and have my lower PR sites hosted in HostNine. Only $12 ($1/mth paid yearly) to host a high PR site on a different host company, worth every cent.

                Maybe that's the route that you should take.
                Hi Joseph,

                Do you find this is working well with you , in terms of the hosting ?

                There's some great info on here. ( I'll thank the posts accordingly )
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Depends on how much you have invested. IF they are all the same nameservers then you have yourself a pretty good footprint for google to find. If the domains didn't cost you much then may be worth it.

              Someone mentioned, in either this thread or another one, private nameservers but most of the time its mapped to the same namserver/Ip. Kind of like a vanity name as described here

              Vanity Nameservers: What are they and how do I set them up? | InMotion Hosting

              Thats not good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
    Thanks Mike for your comments
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    I'm using seo hosting with unique name servers for each domain so no problem there :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      I'm using seo hosting with unique name servers for each domain so no problem there :-)
      If you think that protects you you have been totally and thoroughly misinformed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Algreen70
    This question isn't entirely on topic, but is definitely related.

    If I were to create free blogs from web2.0's and link them together will I run into any problem?

    I'm talking about creating maybe 5-10 high quality blogs that can also pose as money sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunlounger10004
    Be weary of outbound links like qw3rty said, but at the same time try to keep your networks in certain niches to help when promoting certain niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ted Mayer
    In your opinion we can try any $1 host or is there any metrics that we should look ? Or since it's for only 1 website is not really nothing to worry about ? Any $1 host recommendations/ experiences ? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Yes it's a brilliant idea, building your own blog network is very effective for link building, but make sure you are using different IP, Hosting, Domains
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  • Profile picture of the author achukuttan
    Subbed. I was also trying to build a private blog network. The question I have is what type of backlinks you build to PBN sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoTheRightWay
    Can anyone recommend a $1 hosting company?

    By the way, I read this topic and there some questions arise:

    1. To avoid any footprints, how shall we login to our servers and/or blogs? Can Google detect if we do that from our home pc everytime we login or worse from the same browser when we are logged in to our gmail account?

    2. Same registrant, same account, same dns, same ip address, same name? Which ones hurt?

    3. It is really time consuming. Other than building a pbn alone, isn't it a good idea to team up with others? Is anyone here interested to team up?

    4. Someone said it is possible to reg a domain on someone else's name. How is that possible?

    5. Spun articles don't work, all crap!

    6. Does whois privacy really work? Or my plan here, it is much better to team up with others.

    7. Any chance to hide already registered domains or transfer to someone else's name?

    8. To clean up the bad links from the expired domains, I mean disavow them, we need to contact Google sooner or later. How do you guys manage it?

    9. Is it a good idea to reg expired domains with pr and a little domain authority and 301 them to the money site? Or other networked sites first and then to the money site? Sort of a tiered linking?

    10. How about a web 2.0 network? Blogger or wordpress? Blogger can be detected I guess so it is good to stay away, right?

    Any thoughts guys?
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