Google Webmaster Tools vs. Doing Nothing

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I've searched and haven't found any info on this yet here, so sorry if there is an answer somewhere.

I'd like to get opinions on whether or not you think it is more likely to have a site de-indexed if you have submitted, authenticated and added a sitemap in Google Webmaster Tools vs. doing nothing and just letting Google find the site itself. I have built one new site, and haven't touched GWT, and it was indexed in just a few days, and has page rank of 0 (which is fine...it's still indexed).

Their de-indexing is BEYOND frustrating, mostly because they won't let you know exactly what went wrong.

For instance, my site, bargainviolins.com was de-indexed within a week after building, submitting to GWT and authenticating, etc. and I have a lot of unique content on it. however take a look at violinsforsale.co.cc (not my site) NO CONTENT, not even a word, no customization at all, it's even on a free subdomain site, and it has been ranked and indexed on google for months.

I just don't get it. Just when you think you have a few things that work for SEO with Google, they throw in a wrench like this and make me wonder why I even try!

Thanks for any input everyone!

Will
#google #tools #webmaster
  • Profile picture of the author TrafficVault
    Hi,

    You should set up a Google Webmaster account, if for nothing else to see what Google may be saying about your site. It won't give you complete information, but it is possible that your site isn't penalized, but could have an indexing problem that you aren't aware of. If you need more help, let me know, and check out our TrafficVault site.
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    • Profile picture of the author metafever
      It doesn't help you rank any better as the above post says it just sheds some light on how Google views your page.

      I have gotten recently #1 rankings for my selected keywords and did with out having the sites listed in my web master tools account.
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  • Profile picture of the author Liquidgraph
    How to you know Google actually de-indexed you site. This is a very rare occurence that happen when you've seriously violated their policy. Most likely, if you site is not show up in search results, it have simply been filtered for duplicate content. Do you have duplicate content? Have you submitted content on your site to article directories, etc? If you have, that's why it's not showing up.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Your bargainviolins.com site probably has been flagged as a 'thin affiliate site' and probably won't be reindexed.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi Will,

      Once indexed, Google will not de-index a site unless it finds a problem with that site. I doesn't make a difference if you have a GWT account or not, but having a GWT account you will likely get an indication of what problem they found so you can fix it.
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      • Profile picture of the author pixelpusher
        I totally understand what you all are saying, I've been building websites for many years. I guess my question is, as you can tell from the examples, the site that is still indexed with Google is about 5000 times thinner than my site, which was de-indexed. I'm wondering if putting my site in GWT provides a faster, easier way for Google to analyze the site. If I keep it out of GWT, is it possible it might have stayed indexed longer until they found it...if they did indeed consider it thin. I'm not saying my site isn't a little thin, but it certainly deserves to be included in the index more than the other site.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by pixelpusher View Post

          I totally understand what you all are saying, I've been building websites for many years. I guess my question is, as you can tell from the examples, the site that is still indexed with Google is about 5000 times thinner than my site, which was de-indexed. I'm wondering if putting my site in GWT provides a faster, easier way for Google to analyze the site. If I keep it out of GWT, is it possible it might have stayed indexed longer until they found it...if they did indeed consider it thin. I'm not saying my site isn't a little thin, but it certainly deserves to be included in the index more than the other site.
          Nope, most sites get de-indexed automatically due to issues that are picked up automatically while analyzing the index cache. Webmaster Tools is just a place where you can go to find the issue that caused your site to be de-indexed. Google stores this information whether you have an account or not. That way you can still get some feedback, after the fact, by verifying a site even if the issue occurred before you opened the GWT account.
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  • Profile picture of the author chaders
    I don't worry about sitemaps and all. I also see nothing wrong with using the webmaster tools.

    I do not think the webmaster tools will really help or hurt you on their end. But the info you can get can be very nice.
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  • Profile picture of the author pixelpusher
    Ok, thanks for your input guys. I still might run some tests of my own just to maybe satisfy my own curiosity.

    I still wish I knew why this other site is still alive and well in google, and ranking very well in yahoo I might add, and mine was deindexed before I could really take the time to add some really nice quality content. You'd think google would give you time at least to try to improve the site.

    Have a good weekend everyone.
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