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Another update last night?

by ecopac
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Lots of reports about another update/data refresh last night - whatever you want to call it.

Has this affected anyone?

I have noticed a couple of key websites that were solid #1 ranking post Penguin have completely gone now. Thankfully not much movement on my sites, but I'm still suffering from the initial update.

Another thing I noticed today what that there was a 'Report Spam' link that appeared under the URL of the website, then strangely on the next search it disappeared and I can't find it again.
#night #update
  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    These updates happen EVERY DAY.....

    Don't fixate on them. It's a waste of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author ecopac
      I understood this was a pretty big update
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by ecopac View Post

        I understood this was a pretty big update
        Yeah - there are lots of big updates happening.

        Don't worry about it - you can't control them and if you just adopt a sensible promotional strategy you don't need to care about them.
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        • Profile picture of the author online only
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          Yeah - there are lots of big updates happening.

          Don't worry about it - you can't control them and if you just adopt a sensible promotional strategy you don't need to care about them.
          Yep. Listen to Andy.

          I had many sites go up and down regarding this "update". However, the largest drop was 3 spots so I couldn't care less...

          If you have legit backlinks + legit content, you don't need to worry at all..

          I will probably rewrite some of the articles that weren't so good and I'll be back on track.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
            Originally Posted by online only View Post

            If you have legit backlinks + legit content, you don't need to worry at all..
            Stop with this mantra already, Google doesn't care if any specific person has "legit backlinks + legit content" whatever that means. Too many times now have been hit while having "legit backlinks + legit content."

            But you and Andy are right, worrying about Google and what they do is a waste of time. This is why people need to create as many sites as they can, so it's a numbers game. The easier people understand this, the better.

            OP: yes there was a Google refresh/update last night. One of my large site that weathered Penguin 2.0 has now COMPLETELY vanished for all its main keywords. This was "extra" income, so I don't care.
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            • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
              Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

              OP: yes there was a Google refresh/update last night. One of my large site that weathered Penguin 2.0 has now COMPLETELY vanished for all its main keywords. This was "extra" income, so I don't care.
              Maybe you need a new mantra then.
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            • Profile picture of the author online only
              Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

              Stop with this mantra already, Google doesn't care if any specific person has "legit backlinks + legit content" whatever that means. Too many times now have been hit while having "legit backlinks + legit content."
              Whatever that means? :p

              If Google doesn't "care" then why did your site got tanked? Because you built "high quality" web2.0s links with multiple tiers or was it because you outsourced your review articles from paki for 500words/$5? Now which one was it?

              The least you can do now is do an indepth analyses on your site content + backlinks.

              I doubt that Google is after "thin affiliate" sites. They are more after "thin affiliate" sites that provide zero value.

              On-page issues are quite easy to fix. In fact, sometimes minor edits can help your site to bounce back where it was.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
                Originally Posted by online only View Post

                Whatever that means? :p

                If Google doesn't "care" then why did your site got tanked? Because you built "high quality" web2.0s links with multiple tiers or was it because you outsourced your review articles from paki for 500words/$5? Now which one was it?

                The least you can do now is do an indepth analyses on your site content + backlinks.

                I doubt that Google is after "thin affiliate" sites. They are more after "thin affiliate" sites that provide zero value.

                On-page issues are quite easy to fix. In fact, sometimes minor edits can help your site to bounce back where it was.
                Learn to read.

                I said Google does not care about ANY "specific person's site" whether or not they have "legit content + backlinks" or not. Which is true. If you think Google's crazy an algorithm cares about your little site's "legit content + backlinks", then you have much to learn.

                Whatever the reason, it's not because of a LACK of "legit backlinks + content".

                P.S: I only Fiverr for graphics, logos and other purposes that have nothing to do with content or backlinks. :p
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by online only View Post

                Whatever that means? :p

                If Google doesn't "care" then why did your site got tanked? Because you built "high quality" web2.0s links with multiple tiers or was it because you outsourced your review articles from paki for 500words/$5? Now which one was it?

                The least you can do now is do an indepth analyses on your site content + backlinks.

                I doubt that Google is after "thin affiliate" sites. They are more after "thin affiliate" sites that provide zero value.

                On-page issues are quite easy to fix. In fact, sometimes minor edits can help your site to bounce back where it was.
                Dude if you don't know what you are talking about then just say nothing, last nights update had totally nothing to do with back links and was only focused on (amazon) affiliate sites and nothing else.

                As said in other posts, I have 150 clients and only 8 got affected, and guess what? All Amazon affiliate sites.

                The only difference for the few sites that were not hit is that they had the same crappy content, only a larger word count of 1000 words instead of 500. Does that make it legit? To double the amount of content per page? Oh come on.
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                • Profile picture of the author online only
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Dude if you don't know what you are talking about then just say nothing, last nights update had totally nothing to do with back links and was only focused on (amazon) affiliate sites and nothing else.

                  As said in other posts, I have 150 clients and only 8 got affected, and guess what? All Amazon affiliate sites.

                  The only difference for the few sites that were not hit is that they had the same crappy content, only a larger word count of 1000 words instead of 500. Does that make it legit? To double the amount of content per page? Oh come on.
                  Guess what? Google doesn't care about your Amazon affiliate sites.

                  Where did I say that you have to write 1000+ words? You are the one who is claiming that sites with 1000+ words did not get hit while others did.

                  I still see tonloads of amazon affiliate sites ranking high on Google, just take a look at them:

                  Movies | Movie Trailers | Reviews - Rotten Tomatoes
                  LAPTOP Magazine - Product reviews, tech news, buying guides, and more
                  Product reviews and prices, software downloads, and tech news - CNET

                  the list can go on and on... They all provide useful information, they all have tonloads of quality links, they all are branded etc... Why you think that your best-toaster-usa.biz should rank any higher?
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by online only View Post

                    Guess what? Google doesn't care about your Amazon affiliate sites.

                    Where did I say that you have to write 1000+ words? You are the one who is claiming that sites with 1000+ words did not get hit while others did.

                    I still see tonloads of amazon affiliate sites ranking high on Google, just take a look at them:

                    Movies | Movie Trailers | Reviews - Rotten Tomatoes
                    LAPTOP Magazine - Product reviews, tech news, buying guides, and more
                    Product reviews and prices, software downloads, and tech news - CNET

                    the list can go on and on... They all provide useful information, they all have tonloads of quality links, they all are branded etc... Why you think that your best-toaster-usa.biz should rank any higher?
                    Why my sites should rank higher? The ones with 1000+ word per page DO rank higher already, talking about 4 page thin sites so it can still work very well, just needs a few small modifications, much easier then building the next Cnet like you seem to suggest.

                    Besides what a pathetic way to come up with such examples.

                    Would like to see who claims that there sites with 1000+ words pages got hit, I haven't ran into anyone yet.
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                    • Profile picture of the author online only
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      Besides what a pathetic way to come up with such examples.
                      You are kidding right?

                      You really thought that making tonloads of money from amazon is so easy?

                      All you need is:

                      1) Domain: top-50-vacuum-cleaners.info
                      2) Free Wordpress theme
                      3) 50 articles about different vacuum cleaners (that are fake as hell)
                      4) Adding 4 affiliate links to every single article
                      5) High PR backlinks
                      6) Enjoying $$$$

                      ...oh if that would be so easy then 99% of IM'rs would be rich in minute.

                      Well, that system might work for some time. Heck you might even get some sort of ROI, but eventually those sites get tanked/replaced by better websites/penalized or whatever you call it.

                      Unfortunately, that's the sad reality.
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                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                        Originally Posted by online only View Post

                        You are kidding right?

                        You really thought that making tonloads of money from amazon is so easy?

                        All you need is:

                        1) Domain: top-50-vacuum-cleaners.info
                        2) Free Wordpress theme
                        3) 50 articles about different vacuum cleaners (that are fake as hell)
                        4) High PR backlinks
                        5) Enjoying $$$$

                        ...oh if that would be so easy then 99% of IM'rs would be rich in minute.

                        Well, that system might work for some time. Heck you might even get some sort of ROI, but eventually those sites get tanked/replaced by better websites/penalized or whatever you call it.

                        Unfortunately, that's the sad reality.
                        Rich in a minute really? Everyone has 1000's of dollars to throw at it?

                        Domain $10,-
                        50 articles $250,-
                        Bunch of high PR links $360,- (assuming people don't have invested $10k+ into their own network)

                        Total costs aorund $600/site, site should make $100-300/month. Takes some time to make that money back and most here don't even have $600 to start with so it will take them already 2 months to get the first site started.

                        Not really a get rich quick in a minute scheme is it?

                        Making ton loads of money from Amazon is still easy as long as you have money to invest though (not that it wasn't like that before), the initial investment just kind of doubled again, now we need additional content and lengthy articles. More time or VA's to make it all look a little more nice, that's it but the improvements should also increase the conversions so it isn't all that bad.

                        Affiliate marketing hard? LMAO, but like with everything you need money to make money, that's it.

                        If I can let my very first affiliate site make $350/month then anyone can (assuming they have the same resources). Why? Cause it's dead easy.

                        Yeah yeah yeah and now it tanked, so what, lesson learned, study the sites that didn't tank and rinse & repeat.

                        Oh it is sooooo hard.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tung Tran
                          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                          Rich in a minute really? Everyone has 1000's of dollars to throw at it?

                          Domain $10,-
                          50 articles $250,-
                          Bunch of high PR links $360,- (assuming people don't have invested $10k+ into their own network)

                          Total costs aorund $600/site, site should make $100-300/month. Takes some time to make that money back and most here don't even have $600 to start with so it will take them already 2 months to get the first site started.

                          Not really a get rich quick in a minute scheme is it?

                          Making ton loads of money from Amazon is still easy as long as you have money to invest though (not that it wasn't like that before), the initial investment just kind of doubled again, now we need additional content and lengthy articles. More time or VA's to make it all look a little more nice, that's it but the improvements should also increase the conversions so it isn't all that bad.

                          Affiliate marketing hard? LMAO, but like with everything you need money to make money, that's it.

                          If I can let my very first affiliate site make $350/month then anyone can (assuming they have the same resources). Why? Cause it's dead easy.

                          Yeah yeah yeah and now it tanked, so what, lesson learned, study the sites that didn't tank and rinse & repeat.

                          Oh it is sooooo hard.
                          Completely agree. It's a part of the game. My very first amazon site which makes $1000+ last month are now slapped... but I will wait for a few days to make a conclusion, learn new lessons and then rebuild everything from scratch.

                          Niko, hit me on Skype, maybe we will have something to discuss You have my contact: tungtran190694
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                          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                            Originally Posted by Tung Tran View Post

                            Completely agree. It's a part of the game. My very first amazon site which makes $1000+ last month are now slapped... but I will wait for a few days to make a conclusion, learn new lessons and then rebuild everything from scratch.

                            Niko, hit me on Skype, maybe we will have something to discuss You have my contact: tungtran190694
                            You are already in my Skype list mate.
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    • Profile picture of the author flipfire
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      These updates happen EVERY DAY.....

      Don't fixate on them. It's a waste of time.
      Yes Andys right. Updates happen everydaye, some big and some small, some we see and some we don't.

      There shouldn't be a need to worry about updates, if your doing everything right.

      Regards,

      Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    hese updates happen EVERY DAY.....

    Don't fixate on them. It's a waste of time.
    Yup, but they are shocking every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    This update was huge for affiliate marketeers cause tons of Amazon sites have lost rankings while all other non affiliate sites have remained their positions.

    Based on data of 150 sites, 142 of them still going strong, and 8 are totally crushed and the only common thing is Amazon affiliate. None of the 142 other sites are affiliate sites, seriously not a single one. That just can't be coincedence.
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  • Profile picture of the author trade4861
    I do some heavy affiliate promoting but not for Amazon. None of my sites were touched. I fell like my sites are ticking time bombs though lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author ecopac
      For me it's a difficult game. I work in Payday Loans, I know it's a highly competitive market blah blah, but I have/had a really successful site which is slipping in the serps every day as it's replaced by trash spam sites.

      Sites which were registered 3/4 days ago and have 1500 backlinks already, getting a 301 redirect to a money site are ranking all over the place.

      Here's a small sample of what domains are ranking today:

      paydayloansukamy
      paydayloansukjessie
      paydayloansukimogem
      paydayloansukemma

      The list goes on, they all redirect to another site - there are about 15 of these sites all using womens names at the end, they're taking all the top spots from the genuine affiliates and brokers and with every refresh/update, it gets worse.

      These companies have the resources to let these sites make money for a few days, then by the time they're taken down they have already been replaced.

      Every day I see my business losing money to this. How do I compete, how can I? Whats the point of sitting here writing content and guest posts and scrounging around for backlinks when you're up against that?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Eddie
    Haven't noticed any difference with my sites
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by EdwardJ View Post

      Haven't noticed any difference with my sites
      Good to hear, can you describe a bit about how you build your sites so that we can learn something from it? Things like word counts of the posts, any special things that you might do, ratio of informative articles vs review articles. Percentage of posts with affiliate links and so on.
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    • Profile picture of the author karismasand
      Seams like last night update hit websites that was sustain by unrelated dropped domains with PR.
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      • Profile picture of the author DPM70
        Originally Posted by karismasand View Post

        Seams like last night update hit websites that was sustain by unrelated dropped domains with PR.
        I'm not finding that. I am finding the Amazon connection, though. Did anybody that was hit NOT have an Amazon site???
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        • Profile picture of the author karismasand
          One of my competitor bought about 30 dropped domains with PR [3-4], he put content on a particular niche with keywords in to money site and with that technique, in 1 - 2 month was on first page very close to me and from last night is nowhere to be found ... and my niche not promoting affiliate amazon products

          Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

          I'm not finding that. I am finding the Amazon connection, though. Did anybody that was hit NOT have an Amazon site???
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by karismasand View Post

            One of my competitor bought about 30 dropped domains with PR [3-4], he put content on a particular niche with keywords in to money site and with that technique, in 1 - 2 month was on first page very close to me and from last night is nowhere to be found ... and my niche not promoting affiliate amazon products
            Not sure but probably some odd coincedence or other things in play. If you setup 30 domains properly then it should not tank.

            Another explanation is that his rankings are just dancing cause of the ton of link juice.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
          Originally Posted by DPM70 View Post

          I'm not finding that. I am finding the Amazon connection, though. Did anybody that was hit NOT have an Amazon site???
          Me. Monetization? Adsense, so this update is/was NOT limited to Amazon sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

            Me. Monetization? Adsense, so this update is/was NOT limited to Amazon sites.
            Thanks for letting us know, I guess I don't have much Adsense clients then, haven't gone through each of my 142 unaffected clients.
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      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      YES, there was an update last night. There's also about 500-600 updates every year from Google, that's about 1 1/2 updates per day on average. At 10 new threads about the update per update, that's about 6,000 new threads a year on this forum with 100's of people acknowledging that an update has occurred per thread. Someone please tell me my sarcasm was correctly read.
      I think there was a major update, because my site survived last week's update but it totally tanked just now.
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    Yes, I agree that they are happening every day.. This is confusing because one day you have your website on 1st page, then NOWHERE (NOT even in top 1000), 2 days later on page 10... This is really strange, those updates are not very well "designed" according to me, because most of the websites that rank #1, #2 and #3 for good keywords are SPAMMY websites...
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    it's a huge update, just try to ignore it and move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamDenial
    I checked my ranking but I didn't find any fluctuations in ranking. I reckon this might be the part of 500 algorithm changes what Google does in an year.
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    Google's updates to combat spam are similar to dropping bombs on cities to fight terrorism, eventually the terrorists die but there is a lot of collateral damage.

    Anyone that thinks they are immune will probably be surprised one of these days, one of my websites had the crap kicked out of it by Penguin, and it has never been anything but white hat.
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      • Profile picture of the author trustumar
        One of my sites is tanked. It is a small smf forum and not popular. It is monitized with adsense.
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by trustumar View Post

          One of my sites is tanked. It is a small smf forum and not popular. It is monitized with adsense.
          Small and not popular sort of make it sound like not much fun.
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    Definitely something going on according to MozCast:
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      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      Definitely something going on according to MozCast:
      Yeah the night between June 5 and June 6 it started, local Asian time.

      Wonder what happened 7th of June, haven't seen much fluctuations and although Serpfox is slow with updating it does update every 24 hours or so and still haven't seen much really and here it's 8th June for another 50 minutes.
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Yeah the night between June 5 and June 6 it started, local Asian time.

        Wonder what happened 7th of June, haven't seen much fluctuations and although Serpfox is slow with updating it does update every 24 hours or so and still haven't seen much really and here it's 8th June for another 50 minutes.
        Oddly enough, Penguin 2.0 was only 81 degrees...so this is even more severe.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

          Oddly enough, Penguin 2.0 was only 81 degrees...so this is even more severe.
          Yeah same like the one on 6th June, also 81 degrees.

          And now 86 degrees but I haven't noticed a single thing yet, are you seeing any changes for your clients?
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          • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Yeah same like the one on 6th June, also 81 degrees.

            And now 86 degrees but I haven't noticed a single thing yet, are you seeing any changes for your clients?
            Nothing more than the usual weekend traffic drop. All the ranking spots are exactly the same as they were before.

            I think this hit certain affiliate sites hard: that's why me and my clients weren't affected. I don't think it has anything to do with links.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

              Nothing more than the usual weekend traffic drop. All the ranking spots are exactly the same as they were before.

              I think this hit certain affiliate sites hard: that's why me and my clients weren't affected. I don't think it has anything to do with links.
              For my normal clients the rankings are also exactly the same, just more drops for those affiliate sites indeed.

              Even after I made a ton of changes to my Amazon site it dropped even more today, oh well, guess a day won't make a difference.
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              • Profile picture of the author jxam69
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                For my normal clients...
                Am I the only one wondering about nik0's abnormal clients?
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                • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
                  Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post

                  Am I the only one wondering about nik0's abnormal clients?
                  Yes, tell us more about your subnormal clients, Dennis
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                    Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

                    Yes, tell us more about your subnormal clients, Dennis
                    Uh right...

                    Got me there
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